Hi all! Since I'm really doing a lot of question, I'd rather keep them organized here. The first question is: should I clear all Scenario (Hard/Hell) before moving to something else?
#Stivenz Help Thread
cunning hare
short temple
yes you should to get all rewards
the last one gives you a great rune set to put on lapis which makes her perfect for farming
see #guides on ?justdoit
cunning hare
Thanks
cunning hare
Who should I start leveling that will be useful in the future, while I clear Scenario, that's not covered in #guides ?
late kindle
none from the ss above, you can start by levelling monsters you will be using for ?gbah
or toa normal if not done yet
cunning hare
Currently stuck at TOA100
Bella and Darius already lvl35 (need to 6* them, along with Loren)
late kindle
you should be able to clear it once you hit lv27 and farm artifacts for all your monsters
+3k hp is useful
cunning hare
Yup
Still lvl 25 tho
That's why I wanted something else to level up while clearing
And leveling account
late kindle
if you can 6* belladeon, darion and loren, that would be great
cunning hare
Not yet sadly
late kindle
but if you cant yet, you can level up kro as well, he'll be used in ?gbah
cunning hare
Kro is Dark Inugami?
late kindle
yes
cunning hare
Already max level (6*)
That's why I already leveled
Why Amber? Idk, I like her, just level and awaken, even if I won't use her for long
late kindle
you can level up spectra next otherwise, while getting fodder to 6* the ?gbah monsters, since spectra's your next target after ?gbah
cunning hare
Fire Griffon?
(Sorry I'm new and have a bit of difficult to associate name to monster)
late kindle
yes
cunning hare
I don't think I got him
late kindle
make sure to buy fodder every hour from the magic shop when you can, especially unknown scrolls
cunning hare
Yep I do that already
late kindle
some of the hell scenarios give rainbowmons as rewards for clearing last stage, good to complete them to 6* your monsters
cunning hare
Yep clearing them right now
cunning hare
Who should I use the 6* scroll on?
novel wolf
any monster it tells you to 6star that isnt yet, though it does gain more value the lower grade the monster is
so for u this would be loren/bella/darion or even spectra/mav if u already have the fodder for the other 3
cunning hare
I'd use it on Spectra because Bella/Darion are already 5* (Just upgraded Loren to 6*) and Spectra is still not upgraded
short temple
it doesnt really matter, 6*ing is easy to come by
cunning hare
I just got Galleon. From the 4* event should I pick Astar?
crude halo
Wait until you need it. You might pull astar before you are ready for necro and you can use the pick on something else
cunning hare
Working on my first GBAH team, as shown in #guides . Should I Max Skill Dark or Light Inugami first?
late kindle
dark, you'll have to 2A kro as well
you can farm faimon volcano hell path for both of them
cunning hare
Already 2A
late kindle
dont 2A max skill kro
same with belladeon, you wont even need to 2A bella, just max skill belladeon without 2Aing it
cunning hare
Wait, I need 2A Kro
And I need him Max Skill
"2A Kro (Dark Inugami) - Gotten free from quests and evolve to 6 star. Skill up with other inugami's and Needs to be 2nd awakened." That's from ?justdoit2
late kindle
you max skill kro for 2nd awakening because its a requirement for 2Aing a monster
cunning hare
Yes
late kindle
but once its already 2Aed, you dont need to skillup kro
late kindle
2A gives belladeon's S1 atb decrease, which is countered by pcah boss passive and ull be using belladeon for your first pcah squad
cunning hare
Got it
cunning hare
What am I allowed to do while running repeat battle?
short temple
basically any content that you cant repeat battle. so guilds, arena, hoh, toa, lab
cunning hare
Thanks
cunning hare
Is Swarfarm updated? Because I see that the last patch is Dec 2023
short temple
yes, it's still up to date with latest content and still pulls data from SWEX
like the newest nat5s (hackers) are already there the same day they were released
cunning hare
Is still worth to check for dungeons teams too?
cunning hare
I'm pretty sure it recorded teams used in dungeons
short temple
in your own box, yes you can make your own teams to organize around
but there's nothing else that suggests like top monsters for dungeons or something if thats what u were looking for
cunning hare
What's worth to buy with real money, other than daily pack 1?
short temple
all daily packs and toa pack are the most value
cunning hare
Is SWOP useful for a newbie? May it help?
rocky basin
i was neutral on this in the past but at this point my personal stance is that beginners should actively avoid using swop until later. it can be very detrimental to both your account growth and your ability to learn the game
swop is a powerful tool and once you understand the game a bit better and have more runes to deal with, it can be really useful. but when you're a beginner you won't really know how to let it help you
cunning hare
Was thinking the same, thanksà
cunning hare
Should I max skill Spectra 2A or Galleon?
novel wolf
2a spectra should be maxed before galleon is used
cunning hare
2A Spectra is only worth to skillup with devils I guess
novel wolf
correct, not very efficient to make 2a's of a family to skill another 2a monster up
cunning hare
Thanks
cunning hare
For this even, is it worth to skill-up Galleon? I'm farming GBAH right now while preparing both my TOAH team and faster GBAH
tight tangle
skilling up galleon is a worthwhile investment overall
cunning hare
I already got Lushen, maybe even skilling him up may be a good idea, but since Galleon is used in GBAH too I'd go with him
cunning hare
Ye but Carcano is only useful in PVP, while Galleon is good for both
leaden delta
Then go for him
marsh dragon
I already got Lushen, maybe even skilling him up may be a good idea, but since G...
Both are valid choices, id deffo use it on galleon aswell
cunning hare
Ye I think I will
leaden delta
Both are valid choices, id deffo use it on galleon aswell
No way
Lushen have fusable skillup
cunning hare
What is the +6 rule in guild?
pastel aurora
I don't think that exists anymore. In the olden days siege was more like the rival siege thing. Opponents would give 0-3 "points". Guilds would put a cap on how many points worth of opponents you were allowed to hit. This was to prevent people from going for super easy opponents with high points. This way the points were more evenly distributed between guild members.
cunning hare
What is the "rush" in arena?
late kindle
the last 20min before weekly arena ends, where you rush your arena wings to increase arena rank as much as possible for weekly reward
cunning hare
So you setup your best defense and just spam crystal to buy wings and resets?
late kindle
the defense is just to deter opponents from attacking, but you can never truly stop someone from attacking you
people usually ensure they have like 10 arena wings ready before rushing + 3 extra from daily mission + wing refresh
cunning hare
Got it, I don't think it's something I should care about right now, usually my Arena wins is vs farm defense
novel wolf
correct, dont typically worry about arena rush (last hr arena is open for the week) till you want to push that content after #guides
cunning hare
It says that I have 20 summons but I can't summon monsters...
crude halo
Did you summon all the fire monsters? Might have to use them in wind or water
cunning hare
I have 5 slot left in all of them
But it doesn't let me summon at all, doesn't matter the element
late kindle
think you already summoned all the 4*s possible
its probably intentional they wont allow 4* from events or newer 4* like carmella
and you have 1 extra slot in water and fire compared to wind since the water and fire version of skogul isnt 4*
cunning hare
Oh I see. Thanks you
cunning hare
I'll post there and not in #1084154772493447258 because I don't need to know if I have to keep it or not, but to understand a bit better the difference between PVP and PVE runes. All those runes are considered PvE runes? To be a PvP there must be a syngery between set and substats, for example Blade with a combination of CDmg, ATK, SPD, CRate? Let's make a few examples (assume that all runes are +0 and with mid-high roll on every sub stat):
Violent 2 - SPD - ATK% | CRate | CDmg | ATK is a good rune to roll for a damage dealer PvP?
Swift 4 - CDmg - SPD (max roll) | CRate | HP | DEF is this a good rune to roll for PvP? If doesn't double on CRate or SPD is a sell? If it roll one SPD (high roll) and one CRate (high roll) is a keep?
Fatal 3 - DEF - CRate | CDmg | HP | Res Worth to roll for PVE? I think if double on CRate or CDmg is good, otherwise sell?
Energy 6 - ACC - HP% | ATK% | DEF | HP is this a good rune to roll for PvE?
rocky basin
please dont type rune stats, show screenshot always its much easier to read. also the rolls matter a lot too you can't just list off random substats
for the 3 energy runes you screenshotted
by default energy is almost always going to be pve only because one of the most important things for pvp is you need sets that have effects
theres a few niche exceptions like some siege tanks like malite/yeonhwa/rina, and since it's niche you would only keep a few super high efficiency ones
the first one is too weak you can sell its not even pve rune. the biggest problem with it is that you have 2 "bad" substats (flat atk and cd), having 1 is not an issue since you can gem it out but you can't gem out 2 bad substats
the second one you can sell too, its an average purple rune but you have 2 rolls into atk and 1 into def
if you read our rune guides, they say to look for premium substats like hp, cr, and spd. this rune has no rolls into any premium substat
so its weak too, and should be sold even for pve
the last one is a bit more promising, it's not super high efficiency but at least no really bad substats and you have a roll into spd. keep that for now if you have nothing similar that's better, could be used for aforementioned pvp siege tank too not just pve. for pve you would put it on any support such as a raid cleanser/healer like lulu
cunning hare
Hey @rocky basin thanks for the reply. I didn't post screenshot because those written are not runes that I own but just example to help me understand the logic to apply when judging a rune. It's like the third time you say me to read the rune guides and I did it, even more than three times. Examples were given with runes and +0 and with mid-high roll on every sub stat just for example's sake and not to reflect anything in game. So, since CR/HP/SPD are valuable, are all runes with those three stats worth to roll? For example, those screenshots are all worth to roll? Is there something, while rolling, that tell's me "Ok stop and sell"? Like, one roll to each stat is bad? Even if they are all high rolls?
rocky basin
It's like the third time you say me to read the rune guides and I did it, even more than three times.
it would help for my sake then when you post runes, to give your own thoughts on them first. i'm not doubting you're reading it, but you need to either apply what you read, or if there's something you don't understand, ask specific questions about it. for example you can reference points made in the guide
I didn't post screenshot because those written are not runes that I own but just example to help me understand the logic to apply when judging a rune.
the entire point i'm trying to make is that that's not a good way to learn this game
there are no general rules to apply, runes are very complicated and you have to just learn slowly by examples
slot 2 swift def% - worth it to roll but this is super niche and you'd only keep if you get high roll into cr (maybe for copper/dozer), or combination of hp/spd (generic tanky rune). as soon as you hit flat atk you just sell this
slot 3 blade - always try to imagine what's the best potential way the rune can roll. for example if this rune rolled to 24 spd, would you keep it? if yes then roll
same thing for the other 2 slot 1 runes
cunning hare
Ok so my mental process when I start to judge a rune is: if going +6 it hits Res or a Flat Stat, I sell it
rocky basin
for the slot 6 acc rune - slot 6 acc is basically just a speed chase. you can sell it at this point since you a roll went elsewhere
rocky basin
Ok so my mental process when I start to judge a rune is: if going +6 it hits Res...
that's too general and useless
unless you were replying to a specific rune?
cunning hare
Not replying, it's what I actually do while looking at runes
rocky basin
ok but res is a good stat and can be great on a lot of runes
and you can't apply this generalization anyway to all runes, like if you start off with a legend slot 4/6 HP% rune which is super valuable and thus your standards are much lower
you can "lose" rolls and it can still be good
for example if you have a slot 6 hp% rune with a spd substat and then your +6 rolls twice into some random flat stat
i'm still going to +9
because at that point it still has potential to double roll into spd
cunning hare
So for example if my standard is 20 speed, that rune would be a sell because even with double roll on speed it would be lower than my standard. On the other side, if my standard is 15 speed, a double roll would be good because it's higher than my standard
cunning hare
And this standard must be taken between the same rune set and with the same stats? For example, between all Swift 2 with SPD
Ok so if I drop a Fatal - CDMG with Spd sub stat I must compare it with other Fatal with Substat.
And for rune good for broken set? How can I compare them?
And also, these standard, should be tailored mostly around those important stats (HP/SPD/CRate) and only after around the other, unless I really need another stats for whichever reason?
cunning hare
So the question I should make to myself when judging a rune is not "Is this a good rune?" but "Do I have any use for that rune?"
rocky basin
the question should be "does this rune have potential to be better than what i currently have that's similar and sitting unused in my inventory"
rocky basin
And also, these standard, should be tailored mostly around those important stats...
no the standard should be tailored around everything
cunning hare
Ok and how do you remember/know what's in your inventory? JSON export and then import in SWOP/Swarfarm/Excel just to track runes?
rocky basin
you either remember, or you check your inventory/rune management
you don't need swop excel or swarfarm for this
in game has great filtering tools
it's a lot of work
but again the game is not easy and this is one of the biggest place for skill expression in the game
cunning hare
So you say to, for example, if I drop a 2 SPD with HP/CRate/ATK to filter it with other 2 SPD and manually confront them
rocky basin
you can apply shortcuts and generalizations if you want
and yes you can "get through the game"
but you will be playing really inefficiently and selling runes that could have helped you
rocky basin
So you say to, for example, if I drop a 2 SPD with HP/CRate/ATK to filter it wit...
stop generalizing again
cunning hare
Yeye I'm here to learn, that's why I'm stressing you so much about this topic
rocky basin
just show examples
if you have a lot of rune inventory and you don't have mana issues, you can be more strict with what you're comparing to as a "similar" rune
if you are maxed on rune inventory and/or you have mana issues, then you start being more lax with what you can consider to be a "similar" rune
there are no hard and fast rules you always have to try to adjust based on your situation
cunning hare
This is what I have in my inventory for Swift with CDmg. The last one is what I just dropped. I don't think that's actually good UNLESS it rolls on ACC or ATK and not both.
rocky basin
yes you roll it for atk
your current swift rune with acc is similar enough that i would ignore acc rolls too, like if you start hitting acc you can sell it
cunning hare
First Rune, equip on Kro. Second, the only other slot 2 with HP%. Then, what I dropped, still to be rolled. Same thinking, would roll only for double ACC or ATK. But if I have to think about replacing that run on Kro, then I would just sell it, because the one on Kro is clearly better.
rocky basin
one key part i think you missed
is that you should be comparing to unused runes in your inventory
so you shouldn't be comparing to the rune that's on your kro
as you get further in the game you will have more and more teams and monsters built concurrently
you're not just upgrading only 1 team and 1 set of monsters
cunning hare
So if it's better than what I have I keep it, then if it's better than what I have equipped I change it
cunning hare
It's more a curiosity for later, but do I have some 5* good for PvP? Those are all Nat5 I have (if there is something that can help me right now on PvE go ahead and tell me, but I'd stick with mons written in #guides and #1166120830921621504
dire fiber
?nat5
vagrant domeBOT
No non-fusable nat 5 monsters should be used during your progression through PvE. Building nat 5s will slow down your progress, as they are generally not useful in PvE. They excel more in PvP; stick to the guides for PvE.
For more information, see ?nat5explained in bot-commands.
dire fiber
Karnal is good for pvp
leaden delta
Karnal is good for pvp
rta to be more specific
dire fiber
Also viable in AD
leaden delta
Also viable in AD
he was but no longer
tanky def suck
layla is good for rta cc comps
claire is a strong ign def nuker for siege and arena
water pala is usable for siege offense
cunning hare
If a monster is HP/HP/DEF is the same of DEF/HP/HP and HP/DEF/HP?
leaden delta
yes
cunning hare
Is worth to use energy in Nickel SD? And if so, should I Max Skill him?
crude halo
No. You will get countless copies of him naturally. This is true for basically all the SD weekend “events” com2us does. Hall of heroes are the ones you actually want to do
cunning hare
Thanks
cunning hare
I have 11k gems, will it be worth to use them (maybe not all of them) to try to summon JJK units?
vagrant domeBOT
- Crystal Titan
- Energy refreshes (Including Dimensional Hole Energy)
- Later on the Crystal Dragon
worn timber
I have 11k gems, will it be worth to use them (maybe not all of them) to try to ...
Keep in mind that the collab is a long time, so alot of time to get more scrolls 🙂
cunning hare
New addition to my roster. Are they going to be usefull later on?
novel wolf
cunning hare
Sorry man, I'm not understanding what are you saying
novel wolf
lora = do believe she's used
new unit = to new to tell
cunning hare
Ok thank you
leaden delta
New addition to my roster. Are they going to be usefull later on?
God damn, gz
She is the best light nat5 in the game right now
cunning hare
God damn, gz
Oh, wow! What's the use for her? I guess PvP? How should I build her? (Not now, when I start to do PvP, but I'm curious!)
leaden delta
Well practically everywhere, most notable being RTA but it's something hardcore endgame
cunning hare
I read somewhere that she can be used on TOA too
leaden delta
I've her in siege defense, her skill is great for it in theory tho not many ppl run her because fucking ld5
Her toa usage is baf
Not unusable but there are better options.
cunning hare
Talking about TOA... I'm struggling to clear TOAH 99. That's my roster:
I used this team to clear from 1 to 99
But can't clear 99
cunning hare
I retry 5-6 times at day since TOAH reset
leaden delta
so use ?toa team
cunning hare
2x Spectra 2x Verde 1x Leo
leaden delta
yeah that stage is pretty hard
your goal is to pin down the verdehile, never let them move
vero spectra mav vigor/fran loren
cunning hare
I'm gonna try
cunning hare
Is the Violent/Destroy set from JJK Collab good on Vero? Mine is on Switf
cunning hare
Why not? Maybe replace the 6th slot with HP%?
And even replace the destroy with something else
But use the Violents
leaden delta
pve vero don't need violen
leaden delta
nobody
just treat them like 4 violent runes and 2 destroy runes
not a set, just additions to your existing rune inventory
tbh they aren't even good, just usable
cunning hare
I see, thanks
cunning hare
vero spectra mav vigor/fran loren
Vero/Spectra/Mav/Vigor/Loren did the trick! Clear TOAH100 with the same team too!
leaden delta
Good job
cunning hare
I see that Sabrina/Talia are used in almost every rift. I got Talia and was thinking about getting Sabrina from the free nat 4. How should I rune them both?
(I already have Lushen, Galleon and Astar)
short temple
that's fine, twins are great for both rifts and raids
leaden delta
I see that Sabrina/Talia are used in almost every rift. I got Talia and was thin...
like your raoq
just generic dd
cunning hare
So ATK/CDMG/ATK and not SPD/CDMG/ATK
leaden delta
So ATK/CDMG/ATK and not SPD/CDMG/ATK
yes
you might see them in #1048719420870107227 , but truth to be told I don't find them really useful
dire fiber
I see that Sabrina/Talia are used in almost every rift. I got Talia and was thin...
I would rune them according to ?riftstats and ?sr5
cunning hare
@leaden delta how do you deal with necro with that beginner team in boss rush?
cunning hare
I need to do the quest to clear arena fight with one of the collab monster. Is there anything good among them?
leaden delta
I need to do the quest to clear arena fight with one of the collab monster. Is t...
use them to beat rivals
cunning hare
Ye but they gain exp and I can't store them anymore in the Sealed Shrine. I know, it's not important
cunning hare
I'm working on the SR5 team as per ?sr5 command. I have water twins. I think they should be in the same team for their passive to work or do they work even if splitted between 2 teams?
novel wolf
they should be in the same team
cunning hare
Are A2Lulu and Lora worth to max skill through event?
short temple
dont believe lulu needs to be max skilled. are you currently using Lora? bc if not then i wouldn't use it on her
cunning hare
Will wait then, is there any A2 that's work to max skill? Raoq and Spectra are already max skill
leaden delta
pretty sure it's included in ?devilmon
as for pvp, only vigor need skillups
but if you enjoy a certain monster, you should skill it up too
say for example you like playing roid or you play leo roid tetra team a lot, that roid can be a good skillups option
cunning hare
I see, thanks
Is there anything worth to start building for PVP? Other than Lushen ofc
leaden delta
you can work your way through #1048719420870107227
the change is that arena got hella harder so I advise you to work on siege first
cunning hare
I just got a Sabrina dupe. Should I fed her for skillup or is she worth to keep for dupe for w/e reason?
cunning hare
Which one should I pick?
rocky basin
id go with unicorn
cunning hare
What's the best unit to use the skillup event on?
cunning hare
Not even in PvP?
rocky basin
this shouldn't be a surprise
95% of new monster releases are not good
on release
especially 4*
cunning hare
I have 50 hours of double exp cause they were expiring. Who's worth to level up, mostly for PVP?
runic inlet
Sagar should be priority number 1
for pvp
or giou
wind panda karnal josie not bad
cunning hare
Thank you!