?sr5
#raid team build.
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Solo Raid 5 (SR5)
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First Solo Raid 5 Team: follow infograph at the bottom of this command and read the guide found in the Beginner Playthrough in #1048681073502068917 . The SR5 part starts here: #1166120830921621504 message
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valid estuary
mav doesnt have an aoe cleanse
valid estuary
well technically he can cleanse but he can only cleanse one debuff
the raid boss gives u a shit ton of debuffs, you need cleansers that can cleanse all debuffs in 1 skill
like 2a lulu/lala/delphoi, etc
and these cleanse skill usually heals you as well
onyx pulsar
Does mav count as a aoe cleanse?
read the guide please
it specifically discusses this
rustic tulip
Okay. My apology. I thought riley and mav could clense it.
But how to i choose between cleanser? Between lulu or kona for example? What would be a smarter investment? Or do i need both?
As i already have fire panda.
I know it was a bad investmwnt but i dont wanna stay around and hope for a defence leader.
tranquil ferry
you have several options
Lulu 2a is very good since she's used in pvp so you can use her. you already have kona. so you just need a FL cleanser, which can be raviti, fedora, or any monster that's easy to skillup
fire panda is not advised because he requires devils, and he's useless elsewhere
if you have neither, then you can opt for a BL cleanser like delphoi or lisa and you can use a frontline DD instead like fire monkey king or skogul
you basically get to decide how to build the team, the main issue will be always about runes in the end
rustic tulip
ok. So my apology. I might need both.
But just so my thought process is correct.
Would this be a correct setup? With just a few more dps built in
The lacking part.
tranquil ferry
i mean, we told you fire panda and riley are bad here
my recommendation is to just mimic the template the sr5 has and use the suggestions they have for the units instead of using random monsters
and to refer to the guide at the first link that explains in depth if you're not sure
rustic tulip
But then i need to build drunk wind too? If im going to copy it?
rustic tulip
& also when upgrading homies skill, does he need to be deviled too beofore gigante?
tranquil ferry
he doesn't need devils until he's used in speed teams
well, when you start doing them anyway
tranquil ferry
But then i need to build drunk wind too? If im going to copy it?
he's just one of the suggested monsters, but you have to keep in mind the pic suggests monsters that all are endgame. it's not like theyre easily replaceable unless you have a strong reason
it will always boil down to rune quality
rustic tulip
@calm holly wasnt that my entire point?
My wind homie, is just unlocked and unskilled. Put my ardella runes on him, but worse runs than using ardella in gbah.
So currently at my state ardella is stronger than wind homie even though wind homie is a 5 star and ardella is 3 star.
And as a f2p playing this it is big then using 3 star dps could be potenially better than using uning unskilled 4 stars no?
Cause in other games it can be in this way.
So for now, i will use ardella until my wind homie is stronger so he can take over.
Or where is my though process wrong? Exactly.
calm holly
yes your thought process is wrong
rustic tulip
Where?
calm holly
Whomie is the best dd for gbah, and if he really need skillups that would have been mentioned in ?devilmon
Ardella won't even come close
rustic tulip
I am not? You reading it that way.
calm holly
ok but remember I say you're wrong doesn't mean anything bad
ppl wrong all the time, me too
anw
show me your whomie rune first
calm holly
whomie and ardella deal damage in 2 differents way, it won't work to copy ardella rune to him
well then show your ardella rune
rustic tulip
Probably wrong. But it is not my bulld it is swops build.
Ungrinded runes. Havent got to r5 yet
This is my run time on ardella.
calm holly
I guess the reason your runs are faster with ardella is because def break
rustic tulip
Also spectra is bad runed. But i only played for 8 dus.
calm holly
ardella provide consistent def break on her s1, so yeah, it might answer why your runs are better with her
but that doesn't mean she is better than whomie
eventually you'll replace shannon with galleon who also provide AoE consistent def break, then whomie is the definitive choice
spiral robin
like i said 3 days ago, slow down and farm runes, this isnt a race to the finish line
rustic tulip
You guessing? before you were sure. My thought process is wrong.
And my point still stands..
I never said she is. I said currently she is stronger. Than my wind homie until he can become stronger but i assume he would be skilled up to deal damage faster.
Reason asking is bcz he said the guide r5 goes to 3, at some point.
So i thought it might be more worth building those 3 stars characters. Than using 4 stats mentioned in the guide for dps.
Yes, you mention better characters but i only played for 9/10 days.
I want to maximize the beginners buffs beacuse i only get it once.
Yes i am farming giants. But why shouldnt i progress further as i farming, and planning on what to use.
The reason why ask alot is that im new and im unsure on to build exactly in what order.
But during my days awake i am nonstop giants farming.
@calm holly
calm holly
no, he doesn't need skillups
and definitely not need skillups to be better than ardella
galleon is a f2p character as you definitely should get him in your nat4 event
and even if for some reason you don't get galleon, prilea is also an alternative
anw you can do like me
type the messages sentence by sentence
I want to help you understand sth, not to look at your infodump and try to understand them
rustic tulip
I took astar in my free event.
As i read she was premium for necro. I will try my luck on tower summon..
Ok, so how can i get my wind homie to do faster runs?
So i abort ardella.
spiral robin
farm runes for wind homie
that is how
this whole game around that one pivotal thing, runes
calm holly
So i abort ardella.
if you don't have galleon, you should try to get him
spiral robin
he's trying to speedy gonzalez the game all because "in other games" , this aint that type of game
is grindy, and meant to be so, which is why its lasted 10 years, compared to all others that have came after
rustic tulip
No, i want to get to pvp asap. Pve is only so fun.
This is like the only gacha game with some kind of esport.
Not that i will compete but this is the only competitive one.
Im trying just to complete the toturial asap.
spiral robin
yr still at least 4 week from completing pve
and then you still got another 4 week of rune/grind/gem/artifact grinding after that
minimun
before your even thinking about pvp content
and thats if you know what your doing
so breath
calm holly
@rustic tulip anw, about your question regarding nicki vs colleen earlier
well you should read colleen skill 1
it's provide an important debuff that nicki doesn't
onyx pulsar
your question was bad because you should quickly figure out that there is no "in general" answer to this kind of stuff
if you asked if unskilled whomie or ardella is a better dd for gbah
or if unskilled nicki can replace colleen in sr5
those are fine questions
for your ardella vs whomie question, you're in some weird in between step, yea maybe for now ardella is faster than whomie. i dont know, haven't tested. you are free to use what works best for you. like fam suggested it's probably because you are just very low on def breaks with your current team and ardella provides def break on s1. but this is not a step that you should be in for very long, with a better team (like within days) you should be at a point where whomie is definitely much better
in the end it doesn't matter, both ardella and whomie are important monsters you'll use forever
rustic tulip
Yes and in 4 weeks my beginners blessing is up. So i want to maximize as much as possible before that..
And isnt r5 where runes are "upgraded"
To my understanding r5 Where you make good runes great, and your great runes greater and countining until forever.
Instead of mindlessly farming giants for 1 perfect rune?
No that wasnt quite what i was asking.
I asked if its better to use nat 3s as dpsers in your guide than the nat 4s. For example would it be better to use a 3 star fire beast f hunter fully skilled or a 4 star unskilled water kungfu chick?
As a f2p as i dont want to spend too much time fusing a bunch of them. Just as an example..
So what can i do now to speed up my giants team, or get to the point where i can remove ardella and use wind homie instead?
Should i add the wind harpy as he said? I think pealiea?~~ Is the wind harpy.
calm holly
pls stop info dumping
try to add in your question one by one
I want to read them as you type
first, you should understand that r5 is one of the hardest content in the game
where you need 18 well runed monsters
mean 18*6=108 usable runes
where do you get them?
giants
rustic tulip
And isnt r5/4 where runes are "upgraded"
To my understanding r5 Where you make good runes great, and your great runes greater and countining until forever.
Instead of mindlessly farming giants for 1 perfect rune?
calm holly
Yes and in 4 weeks my beginners blessing is up. So i want to maximize as much a...
there's no better or worse here, eventually you use them all
your end game sr5 team which is 35s will need 12 damage dealers
calm holly
And isnt r5/4 where runes are "upgraded"
To my understanding r5 Where you make...
you farm them simutaneously
farm for what you're lacking
or you can do like me, make a weekly schedule and farm things
and to improve your giant, just do it naturally
first by runing your monsters well
from this image, I can see you're not runing your monster well enough, this lapis is shit
where is the vamp/rev set?
also you mentioned spectra is runed badly, well then farm and rune him better
eventually when your shannon team are propely runed and running fine, you can improve your gbah team
rustic tulip
@calm holly yes sire, i will after my noob blessing is over. I dont think its the best investments to stay 4 weeks only in giants for the remaning 19 days of my blessings.?
calm holly
bro you don't have to overestimate your noob blessing
it's just 30 days of some benefit
it's not like you'll be doom and won't be able to progress after that
calm holly
<@1133411942497787924> yes sire, i will after my noob blessing is over. I dont ...
oh pls I'm 6 months in and I'm still staying in giants
rustic tulip
@calm holly no, but i still think its more advise to take use of the 2a exp, rune upgrade and what else comes with it.
calm holly
then take use of them
the progress stay the same
I mean, how are you suppose to beat rifts and r5 without good runes from giants?
rustic tulip
Yes, but you dont have the noob blessings.
Yes but i cant farm giants and make 2a at the same time, can i?
My rifts are sss.
Non fails.
calm holly
beside r5 grinds, rifts enchanted gems are also important
you don't complete them, you farm
calm holly
Yes, but you dont have the noob blessings.
Yes but i cant farm giants and make...
and I'm still playing the game fine
rustic tulip
Yes. But you need to farm what you are in need of ,no?
calm holly
you only have so limited 2a energy
rustic tulip
Right now i need grinds for my runes. How do i get there?
calm holly
just 2a whatever you need
calm holly
Right now i need grinds for my runes. How do i get there?
farm better runes
it's the only way, and why would you use grind on shit runes?
rustic tulip
Define shit runes.
calm holly
you only grind usable runes
well there's a guide for that
but I want to tell you that
if your lapis is runed like that
your spectra, one of the most important pve mons, is runed badly
rustic tulip
calm holly
then you probably have shit runes on you
rustic tulip
To me, this is a okay rune
calm holly
yes it's a usable runes
rustic tulip
Should i not grind it
calm holly
good job, you get 1/108 runes
rustic tulip
Until i find something better,m
rustic tulip
I dont have grinds.
calm holly
how do you build sr5 team, complete other step first
calm holly
your spectra, one of the most important pve mons, is runed badly
this is the indicator to tell you're not ready for r5
anw, you're still free to do whatever you think fit you
but if you ask me or any higher tier advisors, they would still say the same
do the previous steps properly
runes your gbah, sfah and rifts team properly
and then comeback to ask about r5 when you get all that step done
calm holly
but if you ask me or any higher tier advisors, they would still say the same
@onyx pulsar can you give me a smol confirmation?
calm holly
runes your gbah, sfah and rifts team properly
is your lapis still on that 52% crit rate build?
rustic tulip
No
onyx pulsar
i don't even know what the question is or what is being argued over
rustic tulip
No no.
This is all wrong..
You said before from the start in the other thread. To the other guy. The r5 in your guide reaches.
30 second at one point when the runes are good enough.
calm holly
sure
rustic tulip
That is when i got interested as i was farming for wind homie and when i locked him i put my ardella runes on him. But it was slower than ardella current state.
Which led to my question on the if its better for f2p to use fully skilled 3 star monster than 4 star unskilled to their job the best way. If my question was poorly formed i apologize.
calm holly
"keep perfecting your previous step, including gbah, sfah, and rifts which you already done but still fine to recheck" is my advice on your progression
"it's depend. there are some mons that need or don't need skillups, you have to be specific" is my answer to your second question
and regarding the monsters you mentioned
colleen>>>>other similar supports you can think of, including nicki, for r5
burnt hare
That is when i got interested as i was farming for wind homie and when i locked ...
I don't think you understand skillups or monster usage
rustic tulip
Ayy mashallah.
calm holly
it doesn't matter if nangrim or xiao lin hit harder, eventually you use both
I hope that clear your concerns
calm holly
well just the fact that he is one of the best dd for r5 is enough to build him
he's also good for dimensional raid
rustic tulip
To my monster knowedgle.
For example kro vs xiao lin..
Are they both not damage dealers?
But wouldnt a kro 2a fully skilled be stronger than a 4 star xaio ling, unskilled?
calm holly
what's the point of asking this question?
you're gonna use both, they are great for r5
rustic tulip
I don't think you understand skillups or monster usage
This.
burnt hare
ok i explain once to you
monster skillups only matter realistically for two reasons
one is to reduce turn cooldown and the other is to increase effect rate
specifically in SR5
you wanted a fast team which means that cooldown turn realistically doesn't matter
rustic tulip
Im talking generally. Not specfic content.
calm holly
one is to reduce turn cooldown and the other is to increase effect rate
in pve only, in pvp damage is free stat
should get a note for that
calm holly
Im talking generally. Not specfic content.
why?
why do you need their usage in general?
burnt hare
skillups only matter when there is a purpose
calm holly
nobody will know that
burnt hare
if you say in general then we get nowhere
rustic tulip
Beacuse i can only 6 star so much so fast.
rustic tulip
Right mow my darion is 5 star im not planning on 6 staring him.
burnt hare
progression is not something that is done overnight
it takes a couple of months
theres no rush
rustic tulip
Right now.
calm holly
then just be patient, nobody is rushing for r5
rustic tulip
To me 6 star right now, would be a waste of rescourses.
I have 10 5 star rainbow mon, i want to build a starter r5 with the rescourses i have.
rustic tulip
Why? If i can get the stats?
rustic tulip
Im not gonna use darion.
rustic tulip
Wasnt it nerfed?
burnt hare
a little bit
calm holly
still super hard
calm holly
before it was so hard that it need a specific team to runs
rustic tulip
Darion provide the passive to the other teams too?
rustic tulip
Ok so why is he so crucial to have?
rustic tulip
But not to the other teams.
calm holly
you put him on the team with the weakest healing
rustic tulip
Just the 1.
spiral robin
....
calm holly
this is getting nowhere
rustic tulip
?sr5
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Solo Raid 5 (SR5)
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First Solo Raid 5 Team: follow infograph at the bottom of this command and read the guide found in the Beginner Playthrough in #1048681073502068917 . The SR5 part starts here: #1166120830921621504 message
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If you need help with filling in your team, you can post in #1047269577614164098 with a screenshot of what YOU think your team will look like, before we will help make corrections to it.
rustic tulip
Why?
calm holly
right now you can improve your gbah team
rustic tulip
How?
calm holly
but you won't do sr5
calm holly
?gbah have them
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Giant's Keep Abyss (Hard)
For beginners see ?justdoit2 .
- Team Upgrade Order and Turn order
- Darion > Shannon > Belladeon > Vero(L) > 2aKro
- Shannon/Belladeon > 2aSpectra > Vero(L) > 2aKro
- Shannon > 2aSpectra > Vero(L) > 2aKro/Wind Homie
- Galleon > 2aSpectra > Vero(L) > 2aKro/Wind Homie
- See
?teshgbahor?kylegbahfor spd team
Upgrade Info For Above Teams:
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Team 1 Upgrade: Vero and 2aKro
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Vero: Spd/CD/HP, 100% CR, 45% acc, 180 cmb spd, 120k+ EHP
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2aKro: ATT/CD/ATT, 100% CR, 169 cmb spd (can be lower early on), 100k+ ehp (can use a slot 2 or 6 HP% early on)
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Team 2 Upgrade: Replace Darion for 2aSpectra
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2aSpectra: Spd/CD/HP, 100% CR, 45% acc, 120k+ EHP
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Team 3 Upgrade: Replace Belladeon with Wind Homie
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Wind Homie: ATT/CD/ATT, 85% CR, 35% acc, 169 combat spd, 80k+ EHP
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Skill path see
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Team 4 Upgrade: Replace Shannon with Galleon
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Galleon: Spd/(CR/CD)/HP, 100% CR, 35% acc, 120k EHP
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Wants skill 1 and 3 maxed for best Defense Break Chance before adding
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Team 5 Upgrade: You move to the speed teams mentioned near the top of command.
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What is EHP? See command:
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EHP values are a rough estimate, being above is always better
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The minimum requirements must be met first before adding more DMG
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Upgrading to the next team depends on current step of #guides
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Artifacts depend on what one needs, Att for more dmg or HP/DEF for more EHP
spiral robin
why are u working
rustic tulip
And ardella
spiral robin
that is a problem
rustic tulip
Well im working.
spiral robin
u just said before
your spectra isnt runed to par
your lapis is runed like crap
the only decent one you showed was adrella
calm holly
alright
spiral robin
so im going to be closing this, and we can revisit this at a later date
calm holly
I ran out of patience