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oblique willow Jun 6, 2024, 11:40 AM

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you could check #1049886722831429672 for the top 10

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and go from top to bottom to see which one you dont have nearest to the top

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 12:48 PM

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i did , but sitll i didnt know who choose

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and im not gonna chose leo

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@arctic shell pls could you help me to choose before the event expires?

oblique willow Jun 6, 2024, 1:35 PM

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frank hatch and im not gonna chose leo

what is the issue with leo

neat gulch Jun 6, 2024, 1:52 PM

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not picking leo is like shooting urself in the foot shrug same thing goes for picking brandia

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 3:08 PM

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frank hatch <@89397611085201408> pls could you help me to choose before the event expires?

if your pvp priority is arena and not rta, you can pick tiana over leo

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 3:37 PM

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i alredy have tiana

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i posted the nat5 i dont have in the screenshots

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 3:39 PM

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the problem is that you are too early in the game to know what you want or what can be useful

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our recommendation for players still working on pve is to go down the list and pick the first one you don't have... which is leo. you are free of course to make another choice, that's why there's a description and explanation of everything and where they are useful

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 3:41 PM

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early?

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i have all dungeon teams in hard, i farm r5 i cleared all toa toah

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wtf early

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 3:42 PM

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you said you don't have good teams for r5 and artifacts what does that mean?

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 3:42 PM

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i have r5 1 min team

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and artifacts are safe but not speed

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thats mean

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they are not speed team but is not early game

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 3:43 PM

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ok and what are you working on? just arena?

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you don't care about siege or rta?

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 3:44 PM

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yeah but I yhink i have more problems on arena cause my only sd leader is oliver

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but a mons who is good on arena def, siege and off will be awesome

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 3:46 PM

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i mean that's literally camilla

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another similar option is byungchul

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but he's kinda similar to camilla so if you can't find a use for camilla i dont know what you're doing

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 3:47 PM

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is just i cant put all the spd i want on her

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so i cant reach the type of camilla I seen

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so is a little dissapointing

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 3:48 PM

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you not having runes doesn't change who you should pick

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you have tiana cp, that's a great ao already that should get you far

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you don't have to have an arena spd lead to hit every single ad you see

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 3:49 PM

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just for the ones who alredy have an spd lead?

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 3:49 PM

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what arena rank did you finish last week?

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 3:50 PM

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1 or 2 silver star, i can reack near 1 gold star but they kick me out the rank on the rush time

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i dont have a good rush team built

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my kaki doesnt have good dmg

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 3:50 PM

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read #1048719420870107227

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you don't need any other ao besides tiana cp for a very long time

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 3:50 PM

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my CP is not full skilled, i want to try him on dmg when i got all skills

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that channel is not family firendy for reading

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is a lot of info on a lot of pharagrafs

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 3:54 PM

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sorry we can't help you then

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 3:54 PM

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im trying to read but is not gonna be fast

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 4:04 PM

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arctic shell sorry we can't help you then

if i have a tiana and im usin 33 spd ld i must feel comfortable against any monster who has less base spd and also a 33 spd lead?

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im asking for know if I understood right

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 4:06 PM

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most tiana teams won't use spd lead

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you'll just hit slower bruiser/tanky ADs, you won't hit the faster ones

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 4:11 PM

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okay

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then i look for hp /def leads with tanky guys

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so if i got multiple nat 5 of here

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i can build galleon tiana + guys in there to make the counters ? or each one needs his team

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 4:17 PM

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just focus on one team right now, you can add more options later

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cheongpung is the best

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the second damage dealer is up to you

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 10:08 PM

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who is the leader? CP ?

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i also have the dragon u think is nice cause the continue dmg and also is another element

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and also have poseidon but not sure how many spdd /atk needs to be a good dmg dealer.. im gonna search it in the guide just in case is there

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are u still G1 mid as the guide says ?

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this link dont work https://imgur.com/a/v5cPvKg

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arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 10:14 PM

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Poseidon cp are overall going to be most useful

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I’m not playing that account right now, it easily did g1 siege and c3 arena

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 10:22 PM

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i dont see any example of arena defence without spd lead

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 10:32 PM

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This part just takes some experience, just because a def has a spd lead doesn’t mean you always need a spd lead of your own

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Like your Tiana on swift but no spd lead should still be able to outspeed tanky bruisers on vio or despair but with a spd lead

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 10:34 PM

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i would like to have a good defence with camille

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im not sure of changin camille

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im sure she is good

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but maybe taking an alicia for arena rush with tiana and cp is best

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 10:35 PM

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It is not

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 10:35 PM

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really want an arena rush team but im not sure which monster use

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 10:36 PM

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There’s an arena def section in the guide, you can also check ?ad

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??

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 10:36 PM

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i checked

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 10:36 PM

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We just went over this

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 10:36 PM

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but i only seen spd team def

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 10:36 PM

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Poseidon Tiana galleon cheongpung

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 10:36 PM

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poseidon leader?

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 10:36 PM

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Yes

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 10:36 PM

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okay

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poseidon hit more on swift or rage?

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 10:37 PM

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Tiana team building is discussed in great detail in the guides

frank hatch Jun 6, 2024, 10:38 PM

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okay thank u so much

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how i calculate the spd ticks?

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i dont know how use spd tune on swop

arctic shell Jun 6, 2024, 10:42 PM

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The guide covers it. Sorry I don’t know how to help more if there’s a language barrier

frank hatch Jun 7, 2024, 5:50 PM

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there is no language barrier

frank hatch Jun 8, 2024, 12:58 PM

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arctic shell Tiana team building is discussed in great detail in the guides

About Tiana build .. my fastest set actually is 269 spd but is spd cdm and hp instead of atk as the guide says. The fastest with atk% is 261 and I think is better the fastest just because im building poseidon and CP also on dmg . Can u tell me what do u think pls ?

arctic shell Jun 8, 2024, 12:59 PM

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the slower build with atk main is better

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but 261 is way too slow.

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you're not ready for pvp, go farm more

frank hatch Jun 8, 2024, 1:00 PM

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im still farming

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which is fast enough for tiana ?

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can u say me a number pls

arctic shell Jun 8, 2024, 1:02 PM

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?tianagalleon

boreal anchorBOT Jun 8, 2024, 1:02 PM

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How to Tiana Galleon
Tiana Galleon is currently one of the strongest AOs in the game, being capable of beating many bruiser style offenses. In lower ranks, you use Psamathe lead to contest speed lead AOs.

Set Requirements: Tiana should be on swift. Outside of this, there are no real "requirements" for sets. Will is recommended on Galleon to allow yourself to hit Leo ADs. Galleon should be moved to violent ASAP. CP can be used on any set/lack of - it comes down to preference and what you wish to hit.

Composition examples:
CP/Poseidon (L), Kaki, Tiana, Galleon (Turn order: Tiana, Galleon, Cheongpung/Poseidon, Kaki)
Poseidon (L), CP, Tiana, Galleon (Turn order: Tiana, Galleon, Cheongpung, Poseidon)
For more specifics, feel free to open a thread in #1047269577614164098.

Speed tuning
See ?spdtune . This team will not work if you do not speed tune properly. Speed tuning DOES NOT just mean having monsters move in a certain order.

Accuracy requiring DDs (CP, Poseidon, Charlotte, Zaiross, Liesel)

Speed tuned, 85% ACC/100% CR
Rest damage. Usual build is SPD/CDMG/ACC. CRate is also completely fine if you can't meet requirements with CDMG or your highest damage set is on CRate.

Kaki

Speed tuned
Rest damage (DEF% helps with bulk also). usual build is ATK/ATK/ATK, or SPD/ATK/ATK if you can't reach speed requirements.

Other DDs

Speed tuned, 100% CR
Rest damage. Usual build is ATK/CDMG/ATK or SPD/CDMG/ATK if you can't reach speed requirements.

Tiana

~>275 spd BEFORE tower
Rest damage (CDMG/ATK focus). Usual build is SPD/CDMG/ATK

Galleon

Speed tuned, 85% ACC
Rest damage. Usual build: SPD/CRate/ACC or SPD/CDMG/ACC. Galleon should be put on violent as soon as possible.

Here are some examples of monsters that will pair well with Tiana Galleon: https://i.imgur.com/b8R1ikq.png

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frank hatch Jun 8, 2024, 1:36 PM

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i have 269 before tower, i just need 2 or 3 grinds

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im gonna farm r5

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ty

arctic shell Jun 8, 2024, 1:39 PM

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275 isn't really any specific threshold where if you are less than that the team doesn't work and if you hit it the team will always work

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there will never be any specific requirements for pvp

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the point of it is that if you can barely get there it is a sign that your overall rune quality is really really weak

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it's not just your tiana

frank hatch Jun 8, 2024, 3:37 PM

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well Im not lucky on the upgrades

arctic shell Jun 8, 2024, 3:37 PM

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it's not luck

frank hatch Jun 8, 2024, 3:38 PM

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and I keeped a lot of gemstines because i didnt tought the runes were good enough so the runes are plain

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with grinds will be better

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and if isnt luck what it is when spd doest hit nay upgrade of 4?

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cause i been farming years

arctic shell Jun 8, 2024, 3:39 PM

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lack of understanding on what to keep, what to roll, what to farm

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lack of time spent actually farming

frank hatch Jun 8, 2024, 3:40 PM

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lack of understanding mayube cause i followe all guides i founded and i get nothing

arctic shell Jun 8, 2024, 3:40 PM

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why dont' you show some of your monsters or make a swarfarm

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i'm pretty sure that it's not just your tiana that's weak

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can you make a good galleon? cheongpung?

frank hatch Jun 8, 2024, 3:41 PM

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maybe but not for a G3

arctic shell Jun 8, 2024, 3:41 PM

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no one is talking about g3 here

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do you actually want help or do you just want to complain

frank hatch Jun 8, 2024, 3:41 PM

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you say im not prepared for pvp , but if i dint do pvp until imprepared i will learn nothing

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so there no point

arctic shell Jun 8, 2024, 3:42 PM

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you haven't even tried anything

frank hatch Jun 8, 2024, 3:42 PM

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iim doing , and im gonna try by myself

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im tired of ask for helop answering me that way

arctic shell Jun 8, 2024, 3:42 PM

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you're supposed to read the guide > try building your team as per guide > show your team you've built to check if you've followed the guide correctly, and to see where to improve

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then we can give you advice on specifically how to improve

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then you can work on that and improve

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and along the way of course you still use the team that you've built in pvp, even if its not perfect

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and you just continually improve it

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what you've done so far is just... complain, complain, complain

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