Fam's help thread

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You don't wanna talk about ban pick phase anymore?

[marble lance]

with jeogun this is ab it more debatable, maybe you didn't want to scroll first because you didn't want to get bombed, but i think at that point scrolling someone is more valuable

i would have just scrolled and ate the bomb and be ok with not getting off the s3 immediately

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Lmao actually I also thought of scrolling someone but timer ran out and AI use Se

Seara s2ed so out of equation

But no strip into Adriana is more dangerous imo

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overall you should have focused something more, you spread out your attacks too much

like you killed adriana... once and then after vanessa revived her then you started focusing vanessa?

[marble lance]

sure if you want

you need to pick damage

ive said that before

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Hold on I did that?

Lemme reqatch

[marble lance]

at that point you kinda already lost but

maybe if you got lucky it was recoverable

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Oh yeah

That def break look so tempting to hit and I believe it is easier to kill a def broken vanessa than 30% adriana

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Camilla seems like a safe choice Ig

I'd pick suiki instead if there's multiple anti cc mons

Also suiki is likely to be cced non stop by monkey and seara with all he4 crit

I'll try to work around the collab mf as well

Jin kazama feel so anti stri0

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first win finally

because the other guy was dumb but here I want to share my in-game execution

eshir+spd buff fit so well with misty

is jin kazama worth it?

tada

same here 2, I'm getting the hang of it

and yeah, first lost

yeah I won't torture you with more of bad gameplay

but I guess I mess up by not focusing on chow

after pinning artamiel down

but beliah oneshotted my suiki, how do I even deal with that

[merry star]

Slow down. Watch every replay before you send the next wing, and try to identify for yourself mistakes that both you and your opponent made in draft and play. That’s how you learn, not just spamming 30 wings in 30 minutes and then posting screenshots here

Read Belial’s skills? How do you think you should deal with him?

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he feel so op all around

like, if you go snipe that mf, he die, and now I have like 12 turn to kill everyone else before he revive with a turn into an ign def strike

currently I can only think of oblivion

tesa

and well, I have tarnisha

[thorn spruce]

reset him, dont touch him

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I can consider using her

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I see

[thorn spruce]

you couldve reset him over riley there

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yeah that's definitely good

[thorn spruce]

youre playing with support monsters only right?

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I gave up on that

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ah I see

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this is the last one with full support

[thorn spruce]

you should still look a lot more into 'winning' the draft element wise

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yeah that's how I mainly draft in pick 3 and 4

[thorn spruce]

dont pick double fire in 1/2 for example

do you have a spd lead that isnt tetsuya?

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pick 1 2 is usually oliver/sekh or megumi/sekh

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check my box for that

[thorn spruce]

so why did you go with megumi over oliver in that last draft for example

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so other than oliver

[thorn spruce]

not saying oliver is that great but

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I was trying full support

[thorn spruce]

they fp riley and you ended up with a draft that is very low on strip (I think, I have no idea what wind paul does)

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but yeah that could have been chandra

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wind paul is kinda eh for me

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Paul Phoenix (Water 폴 피닉스(물))

Wikia

3. Strongest in the Universe! (Passive)

Glancing Hit occurs with a 30% chance when you are attacked. When hit with a Glancing Hit, goes under the Threat state while enemies attack with a single-target skill 1 time. [Automatic Effect]

Pos. Effects

Receive Glancing Hit Increased (30%)
Threat (1 round(s))

provided by SWARFARM

Paul Phoenix (Wind 폴 피닉스(바람))

Wikia

3. Hot-blooded Destroyer (Passive)

Gains immunity against Attack Bar reduction effects. In addition, increases the Attack Bar of all allies by 15% whenever an ally's skill cooldown increases. [Automatic Effect]

Pos. Effects

Increase ATB (15%)

Neg. Effects

Immune to ATB decreasing effects

provided by SWARFARM

Paul Phoenix (Wind 폴 피닉스(바람))

Wikia

1. Moonfall

Attacks the enemy to provoke for 1 turn with a 50% chance.

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +10%
Effect Rate +10%
Damage +15%
Effect Rate +15%

Multiplier

3.8*{ATK}

2. Phoenix Smasher

Attacks the enemy 2 times. The first hit grants the Irresistible effect for 2 turns with a 30% chance, and the second hit stuns for 1 turn with a 50% chance. The damage of this attack is proportionate to your MAX HP. (Reusable in 4 turns)

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Damage +15%
Effect Rate +20%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

1.3*{ATK} + 0.12*{MAX HP} x2

3. Hot-blooded Destroyer (Passive)

Gains immunity against Attack Bar reduction effects. In addition, increases the Attack Bar of all allies by 15% whenever an ally's skill cooldown increases. [Automatic Effect]

provided by SWARFARM

[thorn spruce]

oop

okay yeah he does nothing here

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he "counter" oliver

[thorn spruce]

but theres no oliver on the enemy team

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yeah I was kinda dumb there

well not that I'm inteligent anywhere else but that was a bad one

I thought I need a wind damage source and I could only count on him

[thorn spruce]

youre right on the wind unit part

he just doesnt do anything

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now I can realize how damn fucked I am if he ban my only real bruiser

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ethna have became my main spd threat since she is my only wind damage

how is she, other than slow...

and my main pick for spd lead is that support chandra

fire megumi is to deal with immunity

[thorn spruce]

she is not lvl 40

the runes arent great but if its the best you can do, I guess

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too squishy?

fr now I feel scared without chandra

[thorn spruce]

you can consider a vio ethna if you can do better with those runes lol

and use other spd contest units

vio ethna is super strong in the right place

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she is my main spd threat now as that save me the damage burden on pick 3 pick 4

[thorn spruce]

ethna is really hard to use as a main contest imo

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other than that, I have eshir and sekhment

[thorn spruce]

id prefer sekhmet (brings defbreak + constant resetting)
or eshir (brings sustain, some dmg and strip)

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got it

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sekhmet look like this now

it is kinda suck that I can't imitate the playstyle of other player due to the lack of meta core team

like, there is a shizuka right there that I never know how to use, other than +1 option for water immunity buffer

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gotta swtich to vio ethna then

wind damage dealer can't be wasted

[thorn spruce]

shizuka can be a good last pick to punish drafts that are low on strip

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yeah same scenario with how I usually pick riley haha

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oh wait, vio ethna or despair ethna?

and since we're going slow, it's spd/cr/hp, right?

[thorn spruce]

sure

[thorn spruce]

vio

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will or nem offset?

[thorn spruce]

will

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here is how she look now

[thorn spruce]

O

well its alright I guess

on a budget

how does it look on atk6?

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much squisher and gonna die in one tap

[thorn spruce]

eh an ethna with no attack at all doesnt do anything either

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so what do I do with her now?

just, drop?

I'll resort on giou as a source of damage thanks to def break

[tacit raven]

ill just add that the ethna has 5 violent runes

[thorn spruce]

oh lol didnt even notice that

[thorn spruce]

you try your build and adjust if it doesnt work

im sure you understand by now rta is very hard content without at least some runes

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Yeah

It'd be great if I can get like C2 since jx9 got C1 with support monsters

But otherwise, I won't waste too much time on this

[thorn spruce]

I dont want to sound rude but he has a lot more rta and general game knowledge

Im not saying you cant improve or get anywhere

but it will be harder

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Support monsters made me squint on the rune quality haha

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And actually I was pretty close on that goal at first, getting near 1400 rating

But I can't get pass that

Now I struggle to get back on C1

[thorn spruce]

keep trying and learning

the hardest part about rta is still not giving up

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yeah, we'll see about that

at the very least I want to get back to c1

hard to indentify my main problem when I lack everything tbh

[hexed sail]

Identify 1 problem and work on that until you are satisfied with it, then repeat with next problem

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yeah

biggest problem for me now is still drafting

didn't even know that was a term, in vietnam we called it "ban-pick"

[hexed sail]

Then focus on that, don't worry about the actual results or how to rune ur monsters optimally

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once drafting is done right I got a lot of confidence into execution

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yeah fr sometimes the hardest question come to "which monster should I use"

I'm aware that "buildmeateam" is a command but at the same time I don't want to run myself into a dead end

[marble lance]

i recommended forcing using only support monsters for a number of reasons

[hexed sail]

Seanb has a great video on how to pick out a core for RTA

[marble lance]

i understand it's not optimal to get best chance of winning

but 1) it removes things to worry about so you can focus on one thing at a time better

2. it forces you to play something else to get you out of bad habits

sometimes when you're used to doing 1 thing over and over again

it becomes very hard to learn. so when you play a completely different team, then that gets you out of the stuff you were used to doing

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the one in ?rtabeginner

[marble lance]

and then you can actually learn something

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right?

[marble lance]

you will win in new ways and then suddenly come to realizations like "oh shit that worked? i can now do that in normal games with my usual draft"

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haha that's a nice way of thinking

if only I can figure out how to win in the first place

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Not sure tbh xD

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f1 feel so dumb

[hexed sail]

I haven't watched it myself since I don't play RTA, just recycling advice from other advisors

But yeah you should just take jx's advice and use only support monsters and then you can worry about your core later

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same here, didn't think I would touch rta until I realize it's there

[hexed sail]

Just don't worry about winning or losing for a while

Best way to learn is to make mistakes

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got it, tysm guys

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oh and since we're using support unit

what do you think about jin kazama against aoe stripper?

[marble lance]

sure

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paul phoenix seems trash tbh

I'll take everyone except amduat

[marble lance]

i used him a bunch he seemed good to me

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paul?

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yes

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like, what does he do?

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can't get fucked by oliver, and then keeps oliver cced

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got it

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should I always draft some sort of cleanse/immunity too?

[marble lance]

not necessarily

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seeing them treat me like a toa stage feel suck

[marble lance]

this season's support monsters are more op than ever

you have giou, douglas, angela, cami, megumi, amduat, triple rev verde, fire jin, wind paul

all of those have some sort of passive that helps against cc lock

there are so many options

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wait you actually use amduat?

like what does he even do?

I have to recheck and I feel like he is a mediocre strip/slow hybrid that just get a lot of turn

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amduat is there to have a lot of mediocre cc/slow I gues

he doesn't have reliable cc/slow but he make it up with a fuck ton of turn

still can't figure out exactly when should I use him tho, like, what does he counter?

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to avoid me being dumb again, I'll list all the options that can be considered as a damage pick: chandra, camilla, douglas, suiki, verde

also count in eshir since I need something to spd race

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and this is finally a win with new mindset

new one come from simi who tell me to mix in element when needed

I think I did drafting alr, got a lot of confident into the match

reset velajuel might not be the best choice tho, maybe I could have go for moore instead since he's the only one that can hurt douglas

did I do mindset alr?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZyUlkJIIy4

this one video make a lot of sense fr

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https://youtu.be/L_-LQvZc_cg?si=NIN9H_ehfYdntZum

Yeah I might actually try to copy this mindset

Maybe also that sagar core too since he seems healthy in this season meta

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I think this one draft is actually correct

I got so much advantage

Can I blame camilla vio here for killing suiki?

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Alr

I get ut

Maybe it's correct that f3 is my limit

I got a bunch of hope getting back to c1 with full support+eshir/sekh

But I gotta give up now

[hexed sail]

^

[slim hatch]

Take a break, stop playing myself into bad habit and stupidity

Ik but I just don't know what did I really do wrong

Taking Vero into Layla is so temptinh and yet I decided to draft in Douglas

Because full support mons is the way

But I do feel tired now

See you in the future

[hexed sail]

The point of drafting supp mons only was never to win

It was to learn and break out of bad habits

Ofc there will be better things to draft if you want to just win

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Yeah, maybe when I get the mood again, we'll work around that

Seems like that what's jx implied

I'm not ready for his support

[hexed sail]

Quitting won't get you anywhere, the only way to learn is by making mistakes

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True gamer never really quit

But I do feel like I'm worn out

[hexed sail]

Taking a break and giving up are 2 different things

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I spent to much time playing blind and maybe what I need now is a fresh mindset

Maybe a meta core as well?

But in any case I'm tired

[hexed sail]

Your problem isn't that you don't have a meta core

[merry star]

.

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You just lack the basics

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Haha yeah, just maybe

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Valuable lesson

But well I guess sometimes I do watch and then ask myself sth like: ok that riley is bullying chandra, I should have pick a stripper

Got that in mind, then onto next match I spent 30 sec torn between pick jeogun for strip or pick an actual damage

5 slot somtimes feel so lacking

Most of my win is usually come from indentifying the enemy mistake, like if there's just a single damage, ban that, a single stripper? Ban that and go wind pudding? A single immunity, ban that and chandra jeogun

But not everyone is dumb

[hexed sail]

Take this and reverse it

Put yourself in the shoes of your enemy and look at what they can do to ruin your draft

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Yeah I'll try next time

[silent lance]

Never heard of this monster before. :(

[coarse ocean]

oops wrong thread sorry'

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getting back for that free nat5 event and some devilmon for oliver

I'm torn between picking amber and rica since I care about normal arena

and I don't have lamiella yet sadly

which one should I pick?

[merry rover]

amber imo

ongoing events as well tho

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yeah amber is more versatile

picked

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slowly grind them all to max investment

is my ashour fine with just s3 maxed?

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@marble lance kind sir can you give my thread a look

pls 🥹

[marble lance]

you should max him

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Got it

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And who should be my next devil target? Among this box there's Sekhmet, Tesa, Carlos, fire pudding, gapsoo

They aren't touched yet

[marble lance]

for what? just rta?

you can try them for yourself

they're all sort of usable without skillups

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I c

Yeah I don't care abt siege anymore

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include s1?

but either way your new rta guide really helped me figured out how to play

tysm

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now I have a fair understanding regarding how should I draft, basically:

• Open with Oliver. If I do 2nd pick I pick Oliver+Sekhmet against other spd lead.
• If first pick and enemy standard I pick Sekh+usually Haegang (I think having a stripper here is absolutely required since we don't oliver someone after sekhmet strip...), or Gapsoo if they don't play heavy CC strip because he's a good bruiser. I also build Oliver on cr so maybe damage isn't that big of a deal? If second pick I usually go with either Clara (also on crit btw) if I really want that first turn, or Misty if there's nothing against him, or a bruiser depend on what elements they pick
• Last slot is counterpick or another bruiser

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is my drafting here has any problem?

[marble lance]

the draft is ok, should show replay

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omg sorry I didn't know

gimme a moment

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sry it has been too many battle

can't track it anymore, but iirc, the battle start with clara s3, got wrecked by laika counter

I had many option to use s3 ashour to keep her alive but I thought she was going to die anw so I s2

lost both tesa and clara then lose a 2v2 battle with the pudding princesses

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oh btw what do you think abt the "challenge" mode?

one problem I found playing that mode is battle where I just don't have a single swift threat

so can't draft with your style

still a pretty fun mode

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is misty better on vio or vamp or despair?

I still use vio according to rune guide

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bad ban picking here

I think if I needed a dps, it should have been someone who can target dark minato

and survive

so maybe ashour?

@marble lance your opinion?

[open phoenix]

vamp

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that kind of solo hero?

alr got it

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big problem with drafting here I guess

like, I thought if by any chance that mf outspd me I should have a passive support

kovarci wasn't a stripper or cc so maybe I should have get it that he won't draft standard and pick bruiser+support there?

[marble lance]

i don't really like tesa there, i think you're better off with some water bruiser like anavel or chow

and while giou is pretty good into his first few picks just your entire start of oli sekh giou stack too hard the same way and you're lacking damage

but wait you said you got outsped?

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I built both oliver and giou on crit

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If by any chance only, ofc he can't outspd me but just in case he ban either oliver or sekh

Which he didn't

Can u elaborate on "stacking"

[marble lance]

you're picking too many units all with similar roles

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I c

Would Gapsoo be better here?

Bro is bruiser+stripper

I think having a stripper here isn't optional since we don't Sekh into Oliver

So I need someone to actually strip for Oliver

That's why Gapsoo and Giou usually got picked

Another loss, this time I tried drafting spd

After this lost I made the change to stop being greedy and rune oliver and tyron on tank build

This one I sekh into chiwu and got resisted

Things go downhill from that, dark rider nuke

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This one I got lucky

He doesn't have anyone on will except Jeogun

Sekmet s3

Should have pick Haegang instead of anavel

Bad draft

Didn't consider element

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Now this is a fully commited race without damage

What should I have picked instead?

Eshir instead of robo?

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Maybe aaliyah was the better nuke choice than surfer

Another full commit race...

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Commiting to race is killing me

[marble lance]

how did you lose

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I trigger a lot of megumi passive

Eventually he break free

Strip stun my unit

Other also break free then I lost

That's why I think I lost because I can't kill them fast enough

[marble lance]

your full commit race isn't actually a full commit race, and the teams you're using it on aren't full commiting race either

so yes that analys is correct you lack damage

main thing is that haegang doesn't really work well for this

i know that you need a 2nd strip but you gotta find something else in your box that can strip and do more than haegang when you have turn 1

haegang is much better for turn 2

(and also with teams that have buffs)

[marble lance]

so in this specific example i would not have picked robo tyron, i would pick other anti sonia monsters and not further hard contest turn 1

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Clara?

[marble lance]

the only time when you should be doing this full commit race is if you're facing someone who's picking multiple squishy fast speed contest and damage units

in all these examples the enemy already showed at least 1 turn 2 or bruiser unit

they aren't even committing to t1

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By anti sonia I guess I need someone to stop her from s2 kill someone in my team

So Leo is the first answer

Who else should I pick? Since aside from countering Sonia I don't see Leo usage here

[marble lance]

you can just pick fire units

and put haegang on anti sonia build

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Got it

[marble lance]

then the only monster you have thats susceptible to sonia is the oliver - BUT if he keeps oliver on the field he's also keeping your 33 spd lead and you can still spd contest the sonia

you should always try to draft so that you aren't forced to ban any of their first 4 picks

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Whenever I see they don't race, I just start drafting bruiser+support based on their element

[marble lance]

also leo is fine to counter only sonia

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Anavel/Ashour is really no brainer here

Like they support each other so well

Then after that I see if I can counterpick with anti CC support or other healers

Oh should I keep my Eshir anymore

Never got to use that guy, if someone pick sekh I'm not risking a full race

Which they never

Jeogun or Shi Hou everywhere

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how do I use carlos as cleave counterpick?

because he is really squishy and would be targetted first

I usually pick triana+carlos and they just straight up ban triana

was this execution or draft?

actually I think it's mainly execution I recheck and my draft make sense

should have spam oblivion on pudding first

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oh actually

I didn't tune

tesa apply oblivion and then it got cleansed

ashour nuke failed

[slim hatch]

took me a while to retune everyone

but now I'm hitting the rock at tuning helena

making her +140 spd is pretty hard, I'd have to pick between hp and acc now

[slim hatch]

is this a good shizuka case?

[slim hatch]

voila!

she's definitely devil target

[slim hatch]

this gotta be my smartest draft ever

oh, uhm, not really he picked 2 spd based and passive based damage so easy to counter, this seems like his fault

but still a good drafting

I think banning racuni is also a nice choice

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I lost so badly here @marble lance

like, terrible loss

I didn't even get to move, bro just straight up jeogun s2 my only sustain and treat my team like toa hell

[hollow peak]

ur sekhmet didnt go first?

think shouldve banned a stripper and assumed sekhmet would reset the other one

[slim hatch]

sekhmet did go first but resisted

but still I expect at least I can survive

not straight up die

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@marble lance I was thinking about picking tesa for oblivion

but again I thought too much fire is dangerous

so iunu was the choice

if I like using iunu should I change him to a kind of fast vio will build?

currently fat dps build

[marble lance]

you need to show more replays and builds

i don't think your drafting is horrible

i wouldn't invest too much in iunu he's not that strong. just more of a f2p option if you don't have much, but you do

[slim hatch]

Got it

Oh any tip for replay sharing

I usually use online screen recorder

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should I make this change?

it's still 3 spd so not nothing but I sacrifice a lot of stat

[slim hatch]

@marble lance

this might be a match where I think drafting is alr but not optimal execution

actually now I'm thinking abt it

should have pick anavel

she counter both fire moneky and masha

nah she counter all fire in general

better than leo

[slim hatch]

this...

execution error Ig @marble lance

[marble lance]

is this your fastest set? its so slow that i dont think it makes a big difference

and a fast vio rune may steal from a vio set user

[marble lance]

yea leo was a really bad pick. masha doesn't become completely useless with leo on the field. you used an entire unit to counter less than 1 unit

so you countered yourself

also in terms of execution, you spread out your targeting way too much

i think you had some idea of trying to keep the entire enemy cc'ed, but you didn't have the cc team to do it

you kept switching targets

you needed to just focus something down

also like ashour turn 1 you wanted to save his s3, but that's not the right move. you need to just use it to immediately blow something up, or even dismounting masha could be good

[marble lance]

it seems like you did not understand chow or abellio passives at all

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Omg finally I was dying I thought you dropped me fr was kinda sad

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Yeah I can't get any faster still sleeping in giant and r5 non-stop to improve that

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I didn't know that, got it ty

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Hmm well I do understand their passive here, chow I often meet him so I know that guy cleanse 2 of his debuff and heal every turn basically racuni himself and hit like a water Laika

[marble lance]

you were splitting damage between chow and abellio the entire fight

that makes no sense

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And abellio even if I don't see him that much I still remember he has a passive where he fill his atb when someone reach 50%

[marble lance]

abellio's passive works different depending on which form he's in

read it again

[silent lance]

Abellio (Water Druid)

Wikia

4. Druid's Wit (Passive)

Removes all harmful effects granted on yourself and increases your Attack Bar by 100% if an ally's HP falls to 40% or below by receiving damage from an enemy. [Automatic Effect]

Pos. Effects

Increase ATB
Cleanse

provided by SWARFARM

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Uhm so not a mention of his forms here

But yeah I do remember his s2 when used in beast form his fucking hard then revert to human form

And his s3 heal buff atb, when used in human form will turn into beast

[slim hatch]

With that in mind, I should have focus damage on chow only

Hitting abellio with oliver s3 to keep his cooldown up

Am I correct?

[tacit raven]

i believe this is his passive in beast form, couldnt find it on swarfarm though

[slim hatch]

Oh fuck

I'm sorry used command for that yeah I realize he also have atb boost (lmao thought it was nem)

Ty

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yeah regarding this match, I actually didn't use s3 freely because it was my only sustain skill

and yes all of this can be prevented if I pick anavel instead of leo

anavel+leo help sustaining each other

learnt

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@marble lance

hehe, how was my drafting here

anw I pick this and lock on miles real quick

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and with a nice match with me staying calm and having an actual gameplan, @marble lance

c1

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@marble lance

while banning jeogun could have been a much better choice in the first place, I blame my own targetting here

first and foremost that moore with half atb was a red flag he is built nuker

I wouldn't lose if I had that tetra in

and well maybe targetting layla first wasn't such a nice choice when I literally pick 2 layla countering unit

maybe I should have target sagar first

pretty rare to see someone who race

like fully commited to racing

[slim hatch]

@marble lance would my misty be better on a vio/rev build?

I just reread rune guide

and I realize I've been using my best vamp set on misty, but honestly I could never imagine a situation where it's actually really useful

or maybe even despair/rev?

since misty is really fast and don't really need s2 to deal a lot of damage

[slim hatch]

this battle I should have just hit gapsoo instead of vanessa

vanessa wasn't scary, I saw that

gapsoo is what keep these mf alive so long

[marble lance]

holy shit your tetra got deleted. these are build issues for sure not drafting or targeting

also you should have picked vero lead not giou

[marble lance]

i dont know how you can say that you can never imagine a situation where vamp misty is useful

have you even used misty?

vamp is the standard build on misty for a reason. that's not to say that you couldn't use vio. but is your 10th best vio set better than your best vamp set?

(note this is a real question not rhetorical. becuase that vamp set you have on him now is really bad lol)

[slim hatch]

well of course I do but

first this question come after I read https://discord.com/channels/109904961969586176/1407819317109850173

you did mention rakan want to be on vio while I actually thought vamp is also standard

and the problem with vamp was that: People love the thought of your mighty lone hero saving you from the brink of defeat with a breathtaking 1v4 reverse sweep, but the reality is that these situations practically never happen. Rune your monster on vio and you'd win before you even get to a situation where you need to pull out a 1v4.

requote from you

[slim hatch]

regarding this I really mean I don't find misty on vamp is actually that useful because I never run him without a dedicated support like racuni

yes bro hit hard and can somewhat sustain himself but still it's not something to rely on

there's not much situation where he actually hit hard and fast enough so 25% of those damage is enough to self sustain

[slim hatch]

so I'm just thinking yes maybe I'll consider changing to vio or even despair

[marble lance]

you put him on a build where you literally don't have a single atk substat anywhere

[slim hatch]

I actually tried making him tankier on purpose

he get nuked a lot, that's why I tried adjusting

[slim hatch]

lemme try again with vio

or maybe even despair

[marble lance]

ok so now you're not understanding basic rune efficiency

even the tankiest monster possible can have atk subs without taking anything away from the tankiness

[slim hatch]

can you elaborate further?

[marble lance]

do you really need me to?

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wouldn't a gemmed def stat give more tankiness than atk?

like yes I really need to and it's not I'm lazy or not bother to spend effort I really do

I reread your guides like every time I lose

so not that I'm taking anything for granted I'm grateful of any effort you spent on helping me and I need to make the best out of them all

[slim hatch]

even that one I reread it several times because I genuiely don't really get it

[marble lance]

if you want to get technical, yes you can even have hp% spd def% flat def on a slot 5 rune and still have room for an atk% innate

but atk% is going to be far more efficient than flat def

you need to do damage for vamp to work

i wouldn't say vio misty is crazy but you haven't given vamp a chance

also you haven't even shown any games with misty either

[slim hatch]

got it I'll show you that soon once I got a match with him

[slim hatch]

do you think I can afford a slower misty to maximize his effiency?

because he'll get a lot of spd soon anw, this is simply my highest scored vamp/rev set

[slim hatch]

oh and may I ask like why is vamp standard on misty?

just curious about mechanic

I read the rune guide mention skogul and mo long as some of the hp scaling bruiser who can use vamp in siege offense because they're more controlled situation but in rta vio is better

why doesn't that apply to misty?

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@marble lance

Better?

This is the current tetra stat

[merry rover]

Ur missing a maxed rune friend

I’m not really following this thread, theres a lot, but you want to try and squeeze as many stats as possible

And maxing out runes is a basic precursor to that

(I could be missing context though, sorry if that’s the case)

[marble lance]

there's a number of factors that all come into play that make vamp a bit better on misty than others

there's always exceptions to everything and everything depends on specific units on both your side and the opponents

for example if you want to compare to leo

if you're drafting against leo you're either going to leave him in and ignore him, saying that your team isn't that much affected by him. or you'll just ban him. it's not often that you play against leo and try to kill him immediately

misty however it's not uncommon to try to kill him when you get a chance, even immediately

vamp also works well with the cannot be stunned kit of misty. if you're stunned, vamp does nothing

and like i said before, you need damage to make vamp work. vamp and no damage is useless

misty's kit allows him to easily scale dmg without fully investing into atk/cr/cd

leo however does not. if you get damage on him, you have to do a full tradeoff on survivability

[slim hatch]

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that would also explain why fire monkey still do vio

[marble lance]

fire monkey has a heal in his kit already

that is the main thing why fire monkey is on vio

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oh

[marble lance]

if you proc, you heal

[slim hatch]

this drafting against leo is actually pretty hillarious haha

well if somebody do pick lep

that dude gonna do a leo luci cleave

[marble lance]

is this for rta? way too slow

[slim hatch]

you mean she doesn't need to follow the tuning?

like she just need to move before my strip?

I intentionally made her slow like that according to my 235-245 spd range

[slim hatch]

however this is a new way to learn it

first of all do you mean this is a leo on 2/3 pick?

like a leo to counter sonia?

(I lose all my battle where I pick leo 2/3 to counter miles so...)

[marble lance]

oh wait i forgot all your stuff is still in the 235-245 spd range?

how long have you been back for or playing this account..

you gotta farm man

[slim hatch]

yeah because that's what the pvp guide did

my rune quality should be similar to it

[marble lance]

ok but the pvp guide is shown using example of a 1-2 month old casual account

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not different from me I haven't play competitive pvp

[slim hatch]

so yeah I'm still at that casual level of yours

my top swift is equal to ?read1 top swift

[marble lance]

you've spent more time chatting on discord about your account than i have playing that account

[slim hatch]

I'm still having my giant team running atm

so I guess that's fine?

but anw I don't think there's more I can do like I've been farming for at least 2 months worth ever since I left siege, level up literally any rune with spd and that's still my top spd

Idk how hardcore that 1-2 month account could be

[slim hatch]

but sure

ty I got that noted

which I am rn, every time I open this discord

[marble lance]

purely objective

in terms of improvements you can make

you will get the most out of farming better runes and making better builds on your monsters

and not overthinking your drafting

your runes are super super weak

your builds are bad

you're losing because you're getting rune gapped

[slim hatch]

to think that there're ppl winning using support monsters

[marble lance]

your runes are not much better than support monsters

[slim hatch]

that's fair

so yeah I'm still getting my spd team running every time I can play

that's not an instant improvement I can make rn but I'm still doing it

[slim hatch]

so in other word most of my drafting got the idea correct?

that's kinda relieving at least I'm not dumb anymore haha

I guess it'll help if I start lowering my option, around the best runed monster

not on a shizuka I never pick but get some of my best rune on

(fr idk why but a lot of time I just can't pick a shizuka when I draft standard)

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I just maxed sekhmet skill

who should be my next devil target?

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@marble lance you don't mention riley and other non-passive support like aaliyah, woosa, etc in guide

do these guys are valid for non standard situation where you pick 1 support and 1 dps

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getting back to siege a bit

[hexed sail]

explain ur idea behind each hit

[brisk swift]

Looks like a rough start. I don't know exactly what your box looks like so it's hard to tailor suggestions but I'd also like to hear your ideas - some of these have simple instant loss cons that you create (baretta haegang amber vs Moore, for example)

[marble lance]

you have to present your options

[marble lance]

yes riley is really good, there's just so many diffferent similar f2p options though like tetra and racuni that i didnt mention. but you can use her for sure. aaliyah is a bit less relevant than riley. woosa is super out of meta and hard to use, if you had him skilled up you could try but not worth investing in

most of these siege hits are really bad for someone who is not a complete beginner. you can do better

[slim hatch]

here are my options

@marble lance @brisk swift @hexed sail

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alr so, lemme start from here
R1: I think this one is an example of squishy fast def, so I use revive comp and a wind tank because chiwu will hit on revive. I also think the anubis can kill me so after iunu and perna revive I kill him asap
R2: they have like a fck ton of def break, so I think maybe double immunity is the way to go? but I don't have enough damage and they have 2 healers, I got destroyed literally (by rune)
R3: this is me being dumb nvm, if I can pick again I'll just lushen with carlos to kill revived odin here
R4: I got soloed by lamiella. honestly fuck this def fuck seara jeogun how do I even counter this mf. I can already see jeogun strip, buffed seara blow up someone and stack sacrifce for lamiella. maybe I could have try another suicide comp with sian psama tank tesa?
R5: so this one was pretty another mechanical loss. I lushen praha and wind druid, that one revive to die to carlos s1 and he get 100 atb. bellenus get the next turn to solo my team

[slim hatch]

this one is easier so I guess I don't need to talk about r2 r3 r4?

r1: I'm dumb. I see 2 stripper but didn't remember moore will fuck me. maybe I could have use a leo team? leo roid aaliyah?
r5: I'm not sure if I should bruiser this one because the other 2 have non damage skill so I can't see who will theomars hit. maybe I can try double snipe with karl? sth like praline kahli karl might work

main reason I got considerably more success with 2nd siege is how I feel like bruisering when they don't have a lot of def break, which is exactly what 2nd opponent was lacking

for first opponent maybe r5 could have been done easier by just bruisering? I still fear the def break from bellenus so I'm thinking skogul lala harmonia might work?

r2 could have been double snipe, yeah I need my double snipe team back. I'm thinking colleen cov kahli

nah r3 using lushen carlos is dumb.

hmm odin with just bastet buff won't have 5 stack, he'll hit water

rina skogul triana

hmm fuck I'm not sure he have both bastet and ophilia, he will get 5 stack

oh regarding my box, here it is

[slim hatch]

it doesn't show monsters in sealed shrine

I'll upload a better one tommorow but for now hope we can use this

I'm leaning toward devilmoning masha consider how much I love using her in challenge rta

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same case with how you have vigor but not suiki?

[brisk swift]

Wait but ophilia buffs too

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yeah

I just realize afterward

but either way I don't think a -wind tanky will just die from that so

triana iunu rina might be my pick

[brisk swift]

You can just kill Odin twice

Triana Iunu rina doesn't work. For starters Odin is going to have immunity so Iunu doesn't really do much damage

You can also praline Lushen baleygr this

You want to try to cleave more
Ashour Brita ritesh is a speed-leadless swift-threatless defense, specifically in WGB where ashour s2 cannot be set (you won't run into that anyways for a very long time). It's a shame you didn't take Verad from the event, as that would be what you would like to use here. Unfortunately you don't have any premium ld5s so this defense actually becomes a bit tricky for someone of your rune quality. Your next best bet would be double snipe (you can abuse Oberon here for his 'element neutrality') with your booster being a fire unit (Colleen, for example) and leaving Brita last

Honestly a lot of these defs are hard with highly limited runes and highly limited box.

I would take note of beginner pvp and set up everything

[slim hatch]

yeah I took amber praying I'll get lamiella for arena

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tell me more abt this

will I get cook by ophilia locking me to her and recharging odin nuke?

if that's the case I guess killing her might be an otion

byung seems nice here?

[brisk swift]

That's surprisingly intuitive, nice job

These slower turn 2 tanky style offenses are good

Only problem is it requires better runes than you have

[slim hatch]

yeah I did mention that I fear he might just straight up tanking my nuke

[brisk swift]

Especially in a WGB setting where your best runes are spread

I think praline Lushen baleygr is a simple fairly refined solution

I would feel comfortable sending that with less than stellar rune quality

[slim hatch]

against that ashour def?

[brisk swift]

No, sorry

Let me go more in order for you

Let's talk one at a time

[slim hatch]

sure

I'm listening

[brisk swift]

I want you to try to be a bit more selective with your defs if you can. 1R is deceptively hard. Suicide isnt the worst for your odds relative to what you have - but it is a gamble. You have to understand this as the instant that you fail to kill you lose. Keep in mind thebae s3 resets on kill. Malite is incorrect here. You want a bruiser paired with the units you are using to suicide that can clean up, usually that involves Camilla, but Ashour is an acceptable substitute if you're using her elsewhere. Speaking of which, you should be. Camilla is still the most op siege unit in the game. Perna also isn't the best suicide unit but I don't have any issue with it under box constraints. Camilla Iunu Perna looks a bit better to me.
2R we talked about.
3R we talked about.
4R this defense is tough as well. Conrad robo Bernard is OK but can lose. It's a bit harder to lose in WGB.
5R isn't the worst team in the world. If you kill Taranys twice its possible. If you got solo'd you probably didn't bring vampire Carlos or have good enough stats I'd imagine.
6R I think Leo is OK. You could use smicer + tetra and I think the winrate is reasonable high. Shahat/Feng would be good but you are missing those two.
7R malite is quite bad into. Every time you use s2 you will take chip damage from Chandra and may also take it from rakan. Def broken malite dies very quickly to Ethna + rakan too. This is a tough def to hit f2p. I think ashour cami Racuni could be OK, but you won so whatever.
8R again there is no swift threat. Double snipe with Colleen boosting to tank Camilla.
9R is risky because Manon can parry you. This offense accepts that loss con.
10R is also double snipeable, but not like this. You have to kill Triana then ophilia. You want to bring in some sort of units with built in ability to survive (Odin + Federica for example) to improve your odds against theomars.

[slim hatch]

got it

I want to talk abit more about 1R

like how do you know which bruiser to use

[brisk swift]

Use Camilla

There you go. You're welcome

[slim hatch]

simple as that

what are the better suicide unit than perna btw?

jx9 used sian in his guide

[brisk swift]

Psama is good. Sian is good.

[slim hatch]

alr got it

[brisk swift]

Camilla can be worse in some scenarios but is almost always the best option for these teams

[slim hatch]

for 10r double snipe I sadly don't have both premium siege sniper

[brisk swift]

E.g. vs ongyouki

Wtf is the name of that family

Kaki family

That one

Don't use her there

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yeah I know

I saw ongyoki in rta

[brisk swift]

Onimusha

They can't crit her

[slim hatch]

got it

if that's the case I think tractor is a nice bruiser, right?

oh no not him

he also counter crit

[brisk swift]

I'd worry about it when you get there

[slim hatch]

yeah let think abt that later

for odin triana theo

[brisk swift]

Also kaki is good against suicide in general for example because he gets endure

[slim hatch]

since I don't have anything premium self sustain snipers, who can I use?

shren won't help against theo Ig

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@marble lance @brisk swift oh regarding devil

I'm devilling masha rn really like her

but after her maybe I can consider bellenus for siege offense?

currently I'm playing both, with rta slightly have more priority than siege and I don't really play arena

[slim hatch]

oh and also when do we

@brisk swift alr so

ujhm, why did I so dumb again

ok I saw 2 tanky af mf on 1r

so I think I won't cleave this

maybe I'll bruiser? but then I realize worst case he'll strip me into 3 def break and tesa chew the def broken monster

on r2 I guess I should have use windy instead of malite

the last 3 is good I hope

[slim hatch]

main reason I didn't try double snipe for r5 is because I fear my 3rd fastest swift might be outspd

just like how my 2nd fastest swift ime got outspd by kiki

but even then I guess tesa rina byung could have been a much better pick

[marble lance]

you can devil her for rta, she's good there

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got it

[marble lance]

bellenus i would consider if you're a super beginner because you can make him for both siege and toa hell and stuff

but specifically for siege... there are tons of better options

[slim hatch]

nora?

[marble lance]

nora is much better target

[marble lance]

can you slow down and think a bit before full sending everything

[slim hatch]

ok so I need to list the not devilled target

[marble lance]

why is this like the 3rd loss in a row you have with haegang

[slim hatch]

when do we use haegang+2 dot instead of haegang riley 1 dot, that's what I need to understand

[marble lance]

you're doing neither

[slim hatch]

because u see I won the next match with haegang riley nora

[marble lance]

despite you winning here, this was an even worse use of haegang

do you understand what haegang does

[slim hatch]

he protect team from

turn 1 stripper

oh...

could have use a 2nd dotter instead?

[marble lance]

talk about 1 specific def at a time please

and follow suggested teams more strictly

you're combining too many things in your head

and making yourself worse off

just follow ?dotao

you have premium dotters

even if they're unskilled

it's still better than the random crap you're using

[slim hatch]

I'll try amber next time

amber instead of haegang against these kind of def

[slim hatch]

anything to note about my 2 loss?

except the first one being me getting outswift by kiki fml

[marble lance]

did no one respond yet?

[slim hatch]

I'm thinking if I need oblivion that much I could have try byung tesa rina

[marble lance]

oh this most recent one

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that's good?

tbh was underrating that def thinking who tf def with no def break and a healer lmao I'll chew this

[marble lance]

so your thinking was

"i'm not familiar with these units at all so i'm just going to assume they do nothing"

[slim hatch]

I just think that delphoi can keep her immunity up so I can kill wind puppet

I do know her, seen and played against her in rta

silly me

and I also see 3 passive which is why I use iunu+delphoi, logical enough?

[marble lance]

oblivion isn't a reliable way to counter passives

iunu shouldn't be used as a bruiser

also for r1 even if you didn't get outsped, that's still not a good counter

play r1 out in your head

what happens even if you do get turn 1?

[primal salmon]

I'll go through these with just some general thoughts.
1.) Why not send Praline here? If you're worried about your topset being outsped like it was with Imesety, Praline lead can help.
2.) I really dislike this. Carc hits through defense buff. Eladriel and miles can strip Aaliyah and then if she gets def broken she can die. Roid doesn't really seem like he's going to do anything useful besides prevent Elad from using abilities, which is useless since he can just vio proc.
3.) Fine I guess but probably better not to use Riley and use a 2nd dotter.
4.) This is probably okay but honestly this just seems like a risky play. I've seen Carlos lose before so I'm never confident in sending this comp.

5.) jx9 has explained what the problems are with this one.

[slim hatch]

so I nuke byung with copper, like a super heavy built copper with +20 wind arti

then after that I wait for dozer to get his turn and nuke kiki

then I 2v1 (2 because I know douman will kill in 4 turn)

[slim hatch]

like praline +2 fire nuker?

sadly I only have a single kahli

and even that, what if byung s2 and straight up kill the other 2

I indeed think about double snipe but then I gave up because no frederica hurt

for 2 I mainly think that miles hit hard with spd so let's use leo

roid hit really hard on a slow 0 spd build

he kill elad in like 3 slash

after that I just simply keep immunity up for aaliyah

she get hit by miles so carc passive, if it even land, will just land on aaliyah

and even if it somehow hit the other 2 they're on full tank build so I can handle being shot

honestly that was a pretty simple fight so I think that was good

for 3 jx did say heagang do nothing there

I guess I could tetra nora amber that

for 4 yes I know and I even lost once with that

but with some proper targetting it won't be a problem

after lushen kill the 2 non fire, I quickly destroy that rakan with carlos

so that even if wind druid maybe get nem from 2 lushen card and revive someone I still have the upper hand

[slim hatch]

like, you mean I should drop him in general?

only use for revive team?

[slim hatch]

what should I use for r5?

[marble lance]

this isn't safe to nuke something that has damage reduction. i dont know what you mean by "super heavy copper with +20 wind arti", what other way is there to build him?

[slim hatch]

slightly heavier than normal...

[marble lance]

after that, what do you mean by wait for dozer to get his turn?

[slim hatch]

because no will

[marble lance]

why does normal even exist

if you can build him heavier?

[slim hatch]

because after that I figured kiki and douman won't just straight up kill me?

alr I wasn't accounting for douman s2 strip away dozer immunity

I was dumb

if only I had a frederica this would have been a simple double snipe case

[slim hatch]

oh and what should be my next devil target after masha

for clarify yes I already skilled up nora

here is the updated option with the unskilled monsters

@marble lance

boxed in orange

oh wait I missed water itadori yeah he's also unskilled

here 2

[slim hatch]

@marble lance so, who should I devil next?

[marble lance]

For rta?

You can try monsters out unskilled and see what you like

[slim hatch]

I honestly ran out of option

I'm considering sagar but again I think my playstyle has always been leaning toward bruisering

[marble lance]

I saw you tried tomoe did you like her?

sagar is an option yes

[slim hatch]

honestly not really

[marble lance]

I don’t know what bruising means and why you can’t use sagar

[slim hatch]

open with oliver and see if I want to commit racing

[marble lance]

You spam sekhmet but you don’t think sagar could be good?

[slim hatch]

like I need someone to strip for him, right?

added that oliver is wind and picking 2 wind in first 3 pick is tabooish tbh

[slim hatch]

and not really was about tomoe

I definitely go for sagar sooner or later

for tomoe, uhm, I don't have anyone to ultilize her s3

sure I have use s2 into s3 sometimes to aoe supsense but if that's the case I also have water nobara haha

tomoe is mainly there for full spd race

maybe when I take layla next event I'll start learning the layla haegang tomoe trio

[slim hatch]

hehe was that drafting okayish?

open with spd lead to not limit my option, then start picking depend of their choice

I think about 40% of the match I'll spam sekh into spd lead+a swift monster

then keep picking depend on their following pick, if they run squishy things I'll do sekh+eshir committing to full race

otherwise I just do turn 2 and pick support passive+bruisers

I have been drafting like that ever been that haegang lesson you taught me

[slim hatch]

my friends invited me to their guild so I'm also playing siege as well

it's just 2nd priority still but I'd love options that also work well for siege too

so rn I guess my list is: masha (will be done tommorow)->sagar then maybe tomoe?

I'm thinking about picking layla on the upcoming event to get that combo down, but otherwise vanessa, sonia or seara would be the pick

[slim hatch]

@marble lance I'm done with masha and gonna do sagar next

[slim hatch]

or maybe I'll wait until 35 days and see who would I pick

after that Imma do smicer, I still leaning toward a more bruiser style

[slim hatch]

first siege

other than 2 other dumb loss that I know how to fix, these are the 2 loss I think worth showing

for the first one I built hraes on tanky build knowing kumar and byung auto crit

in return I don't have enough damage to outheal them, so I lost

for the second battle uhm honestly fuck seara

but how exactly should I solve it?

[marble lance]

show builds

[slim hatch]

u mean I got the idea and it's the build that fail it?

honestly I don't even have build saved, I reruned entirely for every single battle

take main stat, high score, nice turn order, see if it's close enough to 239 and just go with it

I'm one of the weakest members of this guild (pyo's in it btw) so I don't even have a real def up

[slim hatch]

but I can try to replicate that build, will it work?

[slim hatch]

how do I draft against seara jeogun

it's so scary

[marble lance]

i wouldn't use those teams but they're not horrible. i'm suspecting build issues for these

[marble lance]

uhh you gotta fix this

rune up some good sets

a lot of different monsters can share similar sets

try to swap entire sets, instead of completing reruning each monster each time

[slim hatch]

what if I got tuning problem, just replace a rune?

[marble lance]

left side arti is the only thing you should manually pick out each time

you may have to have some monsters runed slightly suboptimal to be able to share some sets

for example you can overtune a DD set so that it can be used by different snipers of different base speeds

sure that would mean you're wasting stats on the faster mon, but it just saves time and reduces mistakes

[slim hatch]

oh yeah I'm doing that

currently I have cov+oberon sharing a single set because he has 30 cr, the high elemental got a same set, and I just don't bother with taru

gimme a sec I'm fetch the build

[slim hatch]

these build good?

[slim hatch]

I think I can start using the rune tag feature

[marble lance]

no

i would put byung on triple hp and not cd

cami needs to be way faster

why does delphoi have so little hp and also no res either

she has 5 vio runes too btw

what on earth is that hraes

a 1 week old pve hraes is much better than that

[slim hatch]

lemme try again

[slim hatch]

I still think I can't go for res

I don't have any rune with both res and acc, not that I have a lot of rune with res tbh

this one is also elucia and fran build

[slim hatch]

is it fine I lose some tankiness?

205 camilla

fck despair Imma go vio

I think this is just for hraes

maybe also ashour

[slim hatch]

feel like god rn

this guy feel like just stack a lot of sustain around him and he'll be god

[undone storm]

julliane is him

[brisk swift]

Farm runes dude that Camilla is crazy weak

Cami should always be at least 239 (very edge case exceptions - not applicable right now)
If she is a bruiser, she wants some crate.
If she is just there to tank, she just wants to be tanky with some accuracy. Nothing else. 239 tick is OK when you're starting.

[merry star]

its just a numbers game. you need more runs to get more chances of rolling quads. every time you quit for months and then come back, you miss out on all the runs you could have farmed that other people were doing

[slim hatch]

any problem with other monsters?

like are they acceptable?

[undone storm]

anavel is good

[slim hatch]

ty!

[slim hatch]

that anavel is ripped straight of rta

@marble lance would u mind educate me a bit?

because I just rechecked my stat

this just tell me that I have considerably more wr when picking anavel and vero

which is exactly turn 2

I never really win if I do oliver into sekh because there is always a wall of immunity and I need a stripper, but sadly I don't have any really viable stripper there, haegang as you taught me is better for turn 2 and picking him into a race just kinda invalidate the point of racing for turn 1

honestly I also tried clara but she just doesn't do enough, heck she even fail stripping sometimes

[stable flare]

you want to pick a stable core, oliver + sekhmet is a common two start, ideally an ld or water unit third here will form your 'core' 3 units (the old core was jeongnam (water dokkaebi) as the 3rd, I think he's not as good anymore now though). The two mentioned are kind of incomplete and may feel like it as a result too; consider finding an option like Miles, Jeongnam, or Chandra to fill in that water unit + single target strip role for you to set up your Oliver.

Haegang isn't always for turn 2 - he's good if your opponents pick aoe strip + action skills with no pushback, think Giana is the most common one here. He's also a decent setup to get midrange units to go first and also strips for them, think tomoe+layla teams. He's not a bad strip option, don't count him out lol

Since your 4th/5th should be counterpicks, anavel/vero are both decent counters into (damage via additional artifacts - multi hit spam)/(debuff spam). your counterpicks (including them) will tend to win more cause your opponent will have issues dealing with or be forced to ban them. you're almost always picking these units to force an advantage over the enemy comp, so their winrates will match.

I don't know your exact box, but another common core for box-constrained individuals if you own the two nat5s is oliver + water oliver (miles) + racuni, that one is a fairly common bruise and cruise comp that works fairly well off miles' damage output, racuni cycling and oliver resets. This should help you with issues related to strips and immunity because the comp isn't super reliant on immediate impact, but can go long with sustain and consistent output.

based on the images above though, do focus on farming runes for your units. RTA is a real pain in the ass without high quality runes.

you should aim for a +150 speed core (so all of your units should be around there) to start, which will be mostly 18-20 speed runes. make sure they have stats too (no flat runes!) as well.

[slim hatch]

here's my box

add in julianne I just summoned

if miles is that good I might take him from the 35 summon

[stable flare]

If you're looking for immediate rta success he's an option, not sure if he's an ideal 10y choice for overall account flexibility but he's solid if you like mostly rta and want better options at this moment

[slim hatch]

agree rta is higher priority than siege for me rn

miles seems nice in siege too

let's just wait until I have 35 option

sure miles is nice but I really enjoy watching vanessa+jullianne comp in rta

[slim hatch]

another siege

so abt the loss:
t3 I should have just use a different team. they have no real sustain so I guess light string wind string aaliyah should work.

hmm can it

or I can use a robo instead of wind string to deal with pontos

this is actually hard to deal with fr, Ig my best bet is still rune a really tanky and high res nora, ignore acc

t4 that carc+zenitsu hit really hard he eventually outdamage racuni healing

guess I shouldn't have use ashour s3 that early, instead focus on silencing carc and kill him first

t5 is actually a tricky one he built a very tanky ren and with threat he is really hard to kill

wait but I could cc this by elucia

build issue...

[primal salmon]

Okay, I need to ask you this in as nice of a way as possible:

Are you even thinking through some of these hits?

The Ashour Windy Racuni hit was absolutely ridiculous. Not only can you instantly lose in about a thousand ways, but you aren't even manipulating the AI correctly in the first place. Carc can just def break Ashour or Racuni and then you lose to his S1

The Julie hit is suspicious because it isn't super difficult to make Platy survive it, and Narsha is always going to survive it and then cause problems. It's probably fine, but your rune quality is probably lacking, hence why you lost this one.

And then your Amber hit makes no sense because they have Brita, who can put any of your monsters in a 1v3.

You also aren't sharing any replays. usually someone that sends hits like this and doesn't share replays isn't attempting to improve or play well, they're just trying to blow through their hits as fast as they can.

Also the Talc Riley Hraes hit was bad because Dominic can just kill Talc very quickly. He will easily out-damage Talc's passive, and there's an AOE def break + strip. What happens if Juno strips -> Nana def breaks Talc -> Dom vio procs?

If you really want to improve and get better at Siege, then spend more time thinking through worst-case scenarios and how to overcome them, rather than just sending whatever monsters you want.

Share your replays to watch them back and find out what you did wrong. Post your losses and ask what you could do better, then actually follow through and fix those mistakes.

[slim hatch]

that vivachel isn't on swift btw so yeah could have just double snipe

I think I'd never see a swift vivachel

and even if outspd I'd still be kinda fine?

like unless he set s1 which is neva

[slim hatch]

yeah he was on full will and left with like 10% HP left

[slim hatch]

I actually ask that quickly in #general-sw and got told I have to b careful with brita

but either way it's dangerous to cleave this one, maybe I could try sth like light golem +2 wind?

like maybe a wind stripper then riley/delphoi?

[slim hatch]

I'm not really sure abt this tbh @marble lance once told me talc is neet again multihit

in fact I won that smoothly

[slim hatch]

got it I'll remember to share replays next siege

[slim hatch]

how is this tetra @marble lance

yes I tune +150 now

[slim hatch]

rta box that is mostly turn 2

I'll also try to fit in oliver when I have someone for oliver sekh +1 like nuparu said

@marble lance I lost this match due to AoE

should I hit lami first

[slim hatch]

@primal salmon how do I do in this?

yeah r2 should have been instead of tetra

figured that out after losin

[primal salmon]

4R you can lose to a swift Chandra. 5R is the ?doublesnipe command. 2 Kinki can put Tetra in a 1v3.

[slim hatch]

yes 5r is double snipe command and I follow that perfectly

[merry star]

?dontsnipe

[reef pawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/111620344564965376/1335006876198375486/image.png?ex=679e998a&is=679d480a&hm=7054ed64dfd58634f85d3a9fb03a726d1f68981bf66b9c01d9e60e9e4a2704fb&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[slim hatch]

hmm u mean trap feng exist?

got it

[slim hatch]

what would u offer me to hit these with instead?

I'm still learnin

[primal salmon]

Oh woops I meant ?dontsnipe

[primal salmon]

This isnt about trap feng

Damage Reduction monsters can survive snipers very easily.

[slim hatch]

I snipe that guy with like 45k

[primal salmon]

They dont need insane rune requirements to survive.

[slim hatch]

I'll take note

what do you offer me to hit these with instead?

[primal salmon]

45k is very easy to reach. I can make my feng easily reach 60k.

[primal salmon]

I am currently helping my toddler. I can give comps after he's in bed if other advisors have not chimed in.

Hour and a half or so

[slim hatch]

ty!

I got outruned pretty hard in r2, this guy is a solid g2 arena and his hacker is faster than me

but even then is it really safe to 3v1 sav?

hmm nah dummy me

r5 is obvious loss

I'm dumb

[merry rover]

Yes

If it’s 3v1 u win- Bernard is a good bruiser as per beginner pvp

And dismounted sav has to kill gally (who should be somewhat tanky as a bruiser) and Julie before Bernie murders her

[merry rover]

I wouldn’t put too much stock in arena rank

[slim hatch]

so I just got outspd then

[merry rover]

Ya- base 100 vs base 111 u shouldn’t really lose.

You could’ve also Leo’d. Sav is the only real damage dealer and she speed scales

[slim hatch]

oh shjt you're right fck!

why did I forget that lmao

leo roid aaliyah would eat this

[primal salmon]

Suggestions based on your box:

2R I would honestly just Bolverk. The only real strip they have is Byung and it's unreliable. You target him first and then there's no sustain either.

3R With your box, I'd have used the support Belial and gone Belial Cami Rina. Put Cami and Rina on -water to help against the Theo def breaks.

4R Probably something like Kunite Liam Tetra. Put Kunite on -fire with a little bit of -water and I think you're fine.

5R Probably something like Khmun Malite Racuni would be okay, bring destroy on Khmun and Malite and focus MHW first, then FY, then Cami last. Malite would need to be built pretty tanky though.

[slim hatch]

liam?