#questions and questions
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at 15% speed max vero has 100 + 15 spd + 42 from slot 1 putting him at 157 spd if my napkin math is right
you only need 23 speed from the other 5 runes
uhh alright let me check my runes
so yea if you can get him the required stats in upgrade 1, then you work on kro next and then after that you do step 2 which is to swap darion with spectra
galleon doesnt come until team 4
ok here so i have uhh
oh wait let me finish toa 30 im autoplaying right now
do you reckon if i do the rune thing
the auto apply
it'll give me what i need
probably not
no
ugh
i hate manually scavenging through runes
yeah
you could try using SWOP if you're on mobile or use an emulator
that's not a good sign
runing monsters is pretty much the entire game
lol its a huge part of it for sure
@devout onyx is there a way to make it so you can only see one type of mainstat
no it's just a separate program that basically assembles rune builds for you based on what you have, it's helpful. you do need to use a separate tool to get the game info via .json
so e.g % hp on 6
yea, the filters
oh this would be awesome
it's self explanatory, what part is confusing
when i say rune manager do you actually know what I mean
b/c you click a monster, click the runes tab, then there's a whole icon
yeah
so at the top left there are drop menu buttons that let you filter the runes you want
slot X, then main stat, can even filter for the properties you are looking
etc
thats the game
it had crit chance but stayed on 4
instead of ugrading
@devout onyx so wait you say stats over sets
because this gives me what i need i think
you don't need to ping me btw
right my bad you're on dnd so
yeah that's fine
you would just have to make up the speed in other runes
play around with the runes and see what stats you can get
if you can't meet the stats, then you don't have to force him a cr build and just keep farming
ok so ive been looking at my runes
i think i have some pretty solid options
but i need the blue stones and i have absolutely zero
not quite sure how im supposed to farm them either
i need to see what rolls i get
AHA
i think he meets the stats now
120185 ehp. Deffbroken: 54637 ehp.
?sfah
Steel Fortress Abyss (Hard)
- Teams and Turn Order:
- Ling ling > Loren > Fran (L) > 2aRaoq > 2aKro (1:00-1:30)
- Ling ling > Lushen (L) > Loren > Fran > Brandia/2aKro (45-50 seconds)
- Ling ling > Lushen > Loren > Eirgar (L) > Brandia/2aKro (35-40 seconds)
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Requirements:
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Ling ling: SPD/(CR/CD)/(HP-ATT), 135k EHP, 240+ cmb spd, 35% acc
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Fran: SPD/HP/DEF, 135k EHP, 200 cmb spd
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Loren: SPD/HP/DEF, 135k EHP, 239+ cmb spd, 45% acc
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2aRaoq: ATT/CD/ATT, 100k EHP, 169 cmb spd, 100% CR, 35% acc
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2aKro/Brandia: ATT/CD/ATT, 100k EHP, 100% CR, 169 cmb spd
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Eirgar: SPD/CD/(HP-ATT), 135k EHP, 200 cmb spd, 100% CR, 35% acc
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Lushen: ATT/CD/ATT, 200 cmb spd, 100% CR, Must 1 shot waves without attack buff
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Other Info:
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Monsters with same cmb spd requirements, see turn order above
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Artifacts used depends on what the monster needs, EHP (hp/def) or DMG (att)
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Ling should be on some sort of dmg build, CD is ideal while CR works as well
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For team 3 Loren can be slower than Eirgar if it fit with your other teams
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Team 3 reaches a 99.5% success rate, if you want it 99.9%, use team 2
# Trial of Ascension (Normal & Hard) GUIDE
Additional commands
Floor 100 bosses (?toafemale and ?toamale )
?arta ?akroma ?ragleo
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First ToaN (normal) team will consists of the
?justdoitteam which is Veromos, Fran, Shannon, Loren and Lapis -
ToaH (hard) will be a combination of Vero, Mav (wind penguin), Fran and 2 of these units below depending on floor
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2aSpectra, Melia, Loren
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[Mav] - Violent-Swift/Any, (SPD-HP)/HP/HP, Def Artifacts (when 6☆), and 180 SPD, 45% Acc
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See
?riftstatsfor an idea of hp/def requirements -
[Fran] - Violent-Swift/Any SPD/DEF/HP, Def Artifacts, 200 SPD
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See
?riftstatsfor an idea of hp/def requirements -
[Mellia] - Despair-Swift/Any, (SPD-HP)/HP/HP, can stay 5☆, faster than mav
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[2aSpectra] - Swift/Any, SPD/CD/HP, 100% CR, HP/DEF artifacts, 45% acc, 120K+ EHP
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[Loren] - Swift/Any, SPD/DEF/HP, HP/Def Artifacts, 45% acc, 200 SPD
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[Veromos and Shannon] are runed as they are for
?gbah
Additional Info
- If you are not sure of what a monster does, don't be afraid to read the monsters skills or ask for clarification on what they do. This is the time you learn what monsters do.
- Will start to be able to auto more floors as your monster runes improve otherwise manual the floors
- Mellia is the only monster who doesnt need skill ups, the others see
?qstartand?devilmon. - Use in Anti-Crit stages (Jultan/Kumae and Art)
- Support mon ideally have no more than 20% CR for anti-crit stages.
- 45% Accuracy is recommended for every support unit that have debuffs.
- Turn order will vary but in a nutshell the slowest mon on the team should be mav (being 180 spd) and everyone else moving before he does.
no
do i have to like craft them or something whats the plan
it sats uhh
says
?riftsraa
?riftstats
Rift Beast Stats
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Monsters used depends on which rift your doing
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Frontline: Fran and Mav will Frontline for all rifts
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90% SSS rate can be considered acceptable to farm
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Fran - SPD/DEF/HP, 1.5k def, +15k hp, 200 spd, low CR, 2 def artifacts
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Fran does want some ATT but this comes after meeting minimum req's above
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Mav - SPD/DEF/HP, 1.5k def, +15k hp, 180 spd, 45% acc, low CR, 2 def artifacts
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Fran should be on Vio, get enough free Vio runes to make this happen
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Mav can be on vio also but if he cant, then use what gets him the required stats
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The accuracy and CR requirements are for
?toa, as accuracy in rift beast is not important -
Lapis - [SPD-ATT]/CD/ATT, 180 SPD after Speed Tower, 85% CR, balance of ATT/CD, attack artifacts
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Can reuse some of the free +15 vamp runes from
?farmeras a base, slot 2 should be switched to speed -
Focusing more on ATT/CD from runes can allow you to use HP artifacts so she's not too squishy still for faimon farming
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Hraesvelg - [SPD-ATT]/CD/[ATT-HP], 90k eHP, fastest DD, 70+ CR, balance of ATK/CD)
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Kro(2A) - ATT/CD/ATT, 140 SPD, 100% CR, balance of ATK/CD and stats needed for
?gbah, NOT on violent -
Twins - see Damage Dealer below
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if using talia lead, CR can drop to 76%
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**Damage Dealers **- ATT/CD/ATT 140+ spd, 100% CR
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Minimum of +200% attack and 170 CD, Artifacts (ATT/ATT)
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Ardella only needs 75% CR due to passive to reach 100% CR
says fran and mav are on vio swift
Mav can be on vio also but if he cant, then use what gets him the required stats
i uh also got an ld5 but hes not in the guide
should i use him if hes not in the guide
i think hes pretty good
banana man
dark Sea Emperor? Storage
- Making Your First Homunculus:
- Will start by upgrading the water homie and evolve its skill tree (doesn't matter which you pick). This is due to the fact Water Rift will be your first 100% SSS rift.
- Once Water Homies skill tree is fully evolved, you will receive a refund coupon to reset its element and skill tree (this is where you follow the below image)
@granite lintel uhh water rift wasnt my first sss
my first sss is fire
i still cant beat water
this isnt yr thread, plz go make yr own
what
what about that statement was not clear
everything
- not yr thread, so do not post your question on it
- go make your own thread to ask your questions
not everyone knows how this discord works
wdym
i already have one
not a wind homie
just a water homie
If you are following the guide
You see how it's recommend doing teams for rift dungeons first
Then going for whomie
ah i see
#1166120830921621504
also in the guides it says not to 6 star shannon but i did on accident
is it gonna have a big negative impact
or not really
its fine. doesn't hurt you
so ive just about gotten ebery possible monster from the summoners nat 4 event
which one should i pick? i already have galleon
?ss4
?sstones
Top 4 in no particular order
- Galleon - greatly helps speed up GBAH (unless you have Teshar) which is super important because that's the only rune dungeon you should be farming for the entirety of PvE, and also still extremely valuable for PvP.
- Sabrina + Talia - even more important than before because now they're good in DBAH and NBAH too. On top of being ideal for Rifts + Raids + still used in siege offense. If you get 1 of the 2 water twins early on, this option is highly recommended.
- Astar - NBAH is the hardest PvE content in the game, and she is one of the best monsters for it. She's also useful for monster subjugation, SD farming, speed clearing of ToAN, and time limit stages in Lab. Consider her if you're struggling with the NBAH stage of progression.
Next few options:
- Lushen - still most important PvP nat 4, although now is not really used at all in PvE
- Triana - best monster in the game for siege
- Khmun - useful in some dhole dungeons and siege
- Carc - required in dhole raids and siege
- Abigail - another ideal monster for Necro, but a bit less versatile than Astar
- Tyron - used for ToA Hell, if you build him for ToA Normal or Hard then you are doing something wrong
Use ?ssinfo in #bot-commands for more information.
i have galleon i have sabrina and talia
do you need any nat 4s right now for progression? if you dont just wait till you need one
errr
that event wont go away so dont worry
just wait then
till you need one you will have summoned more scrolls, may even get what you need from those
fair enough i guess
Are you at a stage where uou are working on rifts or Nbah_
uhh
im on rifts i suppose
and toa hard
Follow progression
is there a way to get wind penguin other than summoning with ms
https://swarfarm.com/bestiary/18703-wind-penguin-knight-mav/
seems like only thru summons
Guild ms shop iirc
right, the summoning pieces
Also next time open yr own thread
so
im doing toa hard rn
i think im a bit stuck on floor 60
ive been playing around with my guys
are you stuck at boss stage?
once i freeze the adds it seems doable
but i would use spectra2a over verd, and maybe bella over loren, but you'll have to test
gotcha
my spectra is runed horrendously though
ive gotten really bad luck on runes
yup
yeah if freeze don't land, and vero misses stun
the revenge from 4 of the adds will likely kill you haha
ok so i think im about to beat it i think i just needed better hits on freeze and stun as you said
rng some times i guess
yup, early game it's like that, either get more tanky to survive more turns, or more acc do make sure the cc lands the first time
why are verde and tyron being used?
this stage is doen with vero fran mav loren 2aspectra
then go rune him better
this is done in upgrade step 2 in ?gbah
lol true
i mean ive been lazy ive been doing fine without him but i do suppose i should make him stronger
he'll be useful
if u wanna be lazy, u can post in #off-meta-fun
another thing is like i follow the guide and do the gbah team
but then i use another team and average faster times
idk
then u can do what u want, but then u go to #off-meta-fun
well i wouldn't say it's off meta though
?ssinfo
If you have all the monsters in ?sstones, you can consider the following Nat4s (in no particular order, primarily PVP):
Skogul, Kaki, Delphoi, Chloe, Malaka, Sian, Olivia, Garo, Shimitae, Nat4 Skillups (ex. Anubis for Khmun), Duplicates for Siege (ex. Lushen, Khmun, Skogul, Triana).
this isnt ur thread nor #bot-commands
what about stage 66..?
these big ass vikings keep kicking my ass
whats the strat for this one
anti-crit stage
so what do i do to make my team anti crit
or do you mean their team is anti crit
a stage u drop loren and add in mellia
so now its mellia mav fran spektra
or drop spectra add mellia
where are u getting kro
obviously i plan on waiting until the end of the event
but are any of these lookin good so far
i dont plan on picking now just curious
you can have idle chat in #general-sw or the other discord (discord.gg/swofficial)
im just asking if any are worth picking
not exactly idle chat
rest of pirate family except galleon is useless right? i can feed to him for skillups?
keep one of each, rest is skill up for galleon
standard ?monsterrule stuff basically
For New Players
- Veromos > Spectra 2A > Vigor 2A > Raoq 2A
- Galleon if used on your gbah team (S1 and s3)
- Save the rest of your devilmon until
?progressionis finished and you are ready to start PvP
✥ Nat 5★ monsters are generally prioritized with devilmon. However, there are 4★ monsters which require skill-ups and are worth devilmoning ASAP (for example, galleon for 100% harmful effect rate on S3). For more information about this, check the 4* skillup part of #1048719420870107227 .
im uhh kinda stuck on this stage
leo just keeps on one shotting my dudes basically
any suggestions
verde moving means everyone gains atb
spectra using s3 while immuniy is up does nothing to yr team
leo moving while he's missing hp means he can start doing big dmg
vero fran mav loren spectra
so what ur saying is
i kill the verdehiles first
then the spectras
and then go for leo?
with vero fran mav loren spectra
u cc and control the non-cc'ed
right
while targettinf the verdehiles tho
alrighty ill give it a shot
vero lead for hp? or fran for speed
there is never a time yr using another lead
oh lol
other than vero
gotcha
well ill let ya know how it goes
imma try what u say
@austere spruce question
so ill use mav but
dont mav and uhh that one light paladin
do similar things?
they both have a taunt and cc right
no
whats the difference
?
they arent slightly similar
idk ive only been playing like a month im still a noob
to me i see taunt
and i see cc
on both
u can put jeanne in storage and forget it
lol alright
ok so i have my mav runed as in the guides
hes still kinda like not tanking
is it the artifacts?
or do they not really matter
maybe im just having bad rng
my veromos is getting blown up too
mav should be very close to his ?riftstats build at this point in time
yr vero should be on his step 1 upgrade from ?gbah
ok i won it just took a few attempts
onto floor 100 baby
!toamale
!toamalegender
!toaguy
!toaman
?toamale
ToA Male Boss Guide
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Team
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Vero (L), 2aSpectra, Fran, Loren, Shannon/Mav
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Use ?toa in #bot-commands for information on builds for the monsters in this team.
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Boss Info
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Male boss is much easier than the Female counterpart.
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All you have to do is prevent the boss and right crystal from taking turns with ATB reduction while you kill the boss, Fran S1, Loren and Vero S2.
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Only attack the boss with your damage dealers (Vero/2aSpectra) and loren, and redirect other basic attacks to the right crystal to prevent the boss from revenging a lot.
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Ignore the left crystal. The Heal block from it isn't a threat since the boss shouldn't be taking a turn and Vero can just cleanse it anyway.
correct
so now im at the point where
ive cleared toa hard
my gbah team is relatively fast
i have a sfah team
and i can sss all beasts at a pretty high rate
do i just work on my homunculus now?
i have a water one which upon maxing i turn it to wind right?
correct
and yes
since yr next step is sr5 and that is going to take planning and runes to be able to do
so i get the wind homunculus and then move onto sr5?
whats sr5 again
is it the thinf with the big boss
and u got like 3 or 4 teams or somethibg
why cant u be doing both at the same time, working on making wind homie for gbah and putting together yr sr5 team
valid point
how hard can sr5 be though let me see here
?sr5
Solo Raid 5 (SR5)
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First Solo Raid 5 Team: follow info graph at the bottom of this command/this imgur link: https://ibb.co/S7ZSjC2
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More information can be found in the Beginner Playthrough in #1048681073502068917
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If you need help with filling in your team, you can post in #1047269577614164098 with a screenshot of what YOU think your team will look like, before we will help make corrections to it.
~~For advanced players owning both Fria & Hwa https://imgur.com/bd5hNoQ ~~ This is an older version of a glass cannon SR5 team.
@austere spruce question
does it matter?
or not really
since im resetting him for wind anyway
no as your going to be changing it when u switch it to wind
yes, where u have yr daily challenges, the other tab will give you a reset coupon
gotcha
and err
why do you recommend starting with water and not just straight wind?
is there any benefits?
as its going to more than likely be yr first 100% SSS rift
and as u see water homie, takes more water crystals than other crystals
gotcha
i also have an uhh
female homunculus
lifht support one
is that not important for now
do i just ignore her
just put in storage, will become useful when u start doing toaLL
yes, h e double hockey sticks, spells hell, so its toaLL
how can i build my dark monster that i crafted from rift beast
[Message Link](#1217211214011306056 message) to #1217211214011306056
just put in storage, will become useful when u start doing toaLL
?whomie
- Making Your First Homunculus:
- Will start by upgrading the water homie and evolve its skill tree (doesn't matter which you pick). This is due to the fact Water Rift will be your first 100% SSS rift.
- Once Water Homies skill tree is fully evolved, you will receive a refund coupon to reset its element and skill tree (this is where you follow the below image)
@austere spruce this lookin good?
is there info on how to rune him and stuff
?whomierunes
plz don't ping people, just ask questions
yes that path looks fine. rune whomie like any other dd
ehp, 85% cr, some cd/atk. mentioned in ?gbah
i mean respectfully dont speak on his behalf bro
he hasnt told me to stop
if he did i would
so u dont gotta white knight for him
gotcha
sounds good
i'm not speaking for his behalf. it's just common courtesy bc this is still a public thread and anyone can answer for you. pinging someone means you hold them accountable to answer as if they only can
and i would be upset if someone pinged me to answer a question that they couldve had it answered if they read what the command says
listen man im not tryna argue but keyword is YOU
you might get upset and he might not
im not holding him accountable; but he's the one whose helped me the most so hes the one i lean towards
its fine, stats mentioned in ?gbah
What about the dark version?
Open ur own thread
does anyone know what time i should be averaging with this team?
ive built it and im just curious if its as fast as it should he
yeah im about there
should i move onto ?kylegbah
im tesharless
if you are done with #guides and can build the team
i wouldnt say im done no
i still need a pcah team
a necro team
a dragons team
then, no
ok
oh right
u said i had to do sr5 or something i forgot
gotta do that too
@austere spruce yo dude
u know how u need eirgar for some teams i forgot
the 5 star vampire guy
so im at 80/100 for him
and i dont have any more coins
do i just have to wait for the next event??
i only need like 20 more fragments
yes
if you have the beginner event in daily missions u can buy coins from there too
i'll take a look, thanks
but i'm pretty sure i don't have it but it's worth a check regardless
: (
looks like this
err yeah i don't think i see this
if i get a dupe 5 star
there's a way to like convert into some sort of essence and get another 5 star right?
how do you do that again? where's that option?
?ancientcrystals
What to buy with your ancient crystals:
Will start by saying a lot of this is dependent on a lot of factors and changes often. Some of these factors including but are not limited to: how progressed, how many ancient crystals one has, and how much one spends on the game
If you have a question on if you should buy something or not can create a thread in #1047269577614164098
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Premium Runes:
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These are going to be Vio slot 2 SPD, slot 4 HP%/CD and slot 6 HP% Runes with acceptable innate (prefix)
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Substats do not matter as these runes are more than likely key reappraisal (reapp) targets
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To see what are acceptable innates (prefix) see the
?reappcommand -
Save enough to buy 2 or more of these runes (200 ancient crystals)
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Other things that could be bought:
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Desirable runes may include: Vio slot 4 or 6 HP% with no innate and matching subs and slot 2/4/6 with innate and matching stats on a needed sets
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Reappraisal Stones/Devilmon: Limted to 30 reapps and 3 devilmon per month
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Legend Grind/Gems: Vio SPD/HP%/DEF% Gems and Vio/Swift SPD Grinds, or another set a late game players may need
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Not going to be buying these unless you specifically know what your searching for or need
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LD Scrolls: unless a whale or have high nat 5 income, these wont be bought ever
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Whale: Those that spend quite a bit of money on the game
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Blessing: horrible value and should NEVER be bought
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There are multiple balance patches a year and just because a monster is good/bad now doesnt mean that will be the case later on
oh
so should i not reroll into 5 stars
and bu premium runes instead?
like it says, a horrible value
so
my rune inventory is full
and i already got rid of all the flat 2,4,6s
and now im not sure what to get rid of?
theyre all 6 star runes i have left
is there any recommended hall of hero teams? i can never get past like floor 5
?hallofheroes
?hoh
Monster announced Wednesday after FRR, starts weekend after FRR.
Push to the highest floor you can manage. Take advantage of friend reps. You can buy almighty pieces from the guild shop to summon more monsters (Has to be between floors, 25 almighty per floor/mon).
Speed and crowd control are key in HOH; you can use your ToA monsters to get through the stages.
Anniversary HOH based on previous HOH, check https://summonerswar.fandom.com/wiki/Hall_of_Heroes#List_of_past_monsters for oldest 5 HOH that were not repeated yet.
still cant make it to 6
just stop posting in here
that just might be the farthest you can make it at your current point in time
hm ok thats a bit unfortunate but i guess it'll get better with time
does your toa team ever change
can it be optimized
ive been beating toa hard with the recommended team in the guide
ah so mayhaps when improving runes i can make it further in hoh then
gotcha
errr who is this
i dont have them built i dont think
HP: 7575 — DEF: 461
ATK: 845 — SPD: 105
CR: 15 — CD: 50
ACC: 0 — RES: 15
Type: Attack
Stars: 4
Devils: 10
Farmable: SD
Fusion Food: Yes
From: Magical Archer
Increase the Attack Power of ally monsters with Wind attribute by 35%
and does kona wanna be 2a'd? i remember reading that for certain teams its better not to or something
i dont remember
kona doesnt have a 2a
sorry not 2a
i mean just awakenedp
csuse sometimes u want it not awakened for it to go 2nd or something
?kylegbah
or is that for something else
bellla during progression, incase you need for pcah?
ok so awaken it gotcha
getting the 3 guys at the back might be an issue though let me think
thats liam right? i think i have him
then i guess i'll use verdehile and uhhh idk
i hve the fire monkey too i think
what is the 2nd bulletpoint of the ?sr5 command?
a screenshot of what the team will look like..?