My Necro AH Team | Summoners War | Page 1

kind raptor Mar 2, 2024, 11:54 PM

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Hi guys, i am asking you cuz i got my Necro Team together for a while now but its not quiet consistent yet. (it sometimes doesnt get 30 runs together but mostly ends up with like 2 losses) i would like to manage that and want to ask you for some advices in making it faster and more consistent, please come up with actual advices like "increase this units SPD, CD or ATK" or "make this unit slower/faster" or something else useful, thanks in advance 🙂
Artifacts are the best i can get for DMG on Dark and CD on skill x, if you still want to see them i can put screenshots in

frozen sparrow Mar 2, 2024, 11:57 PM

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reread ?nbah

kind raptor Mar 3, 2024, 11:34 PM

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frozen sparrow reread `?nbah`

the only thing not applied from there maybe is the 100% cr on raoq and that is not exactly possible rn other than putting a cr slot 4 in there for him

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what else did i miss?

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thats why i said specific advices would be nice 🙂

swift tiger Mar 3, 2024, 11:40 PM

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if you want more specific advice you need to put in more effort on your part

brisk valleyBOT Mar 3, 2024, 11:40 PM

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jx9

[Message Link](#1166120830921621504 message) to #1166120830921621504

Troubleshooting team fails

If I see anyone say "help the team in the guide doesn't work for me, can someone suggest me some other team" I will come over and slap you. The first lesson anyone should learn about this game is that it's all about runes. If a team fails, the first thought you should have is not "well this team didn't work, I need to find a new team." It should be "hmm I wonder what went wrong, is something not runed correctly or could be runed better?"

Start by doing some troubleshooting on your own. Watch the runs. Is there some monster on your team that is always the first to die? Make it tankier. Do all your monsters always end up cc'ed, and then the boss just wipes them? Make sure you have enough acc on your debuffers (or multiple debuffers when it comes to SR5), and consider making your support monsters faster. For dungeons where the boss gets permanently stronger or limits you to a certain number of turns (rifts, raids, pc10), you may simply just need more damage on your damage dealers. But out of those, 90% of the time the issue can be solved by just making whatever monsters are dying first to be tankier. You can lose some damage to gain the extra HP/Def, dead monsters do 0 damage.

Other things to ask yourself: do I have enough accuracy on monsters that need to land debuffs? Am I missing skillups that can greatly benefit those monsters? Is the turn order of my team correct?

To ask for help in #1047269577614164098 , make a thread and explain why your runs fail, and show stats of all your monsters. Use this format ?statshare (type that in the #bot-commands channel), 1 screenshot for every monster. This will let us see a monster's stats, rune sets, and skillups all in 1 picture.

swift tiger Mar 3, 2024, 11:41 PM

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i will also just say that overall your runes look really weak

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they look about the same quality or worse than the ones from #1166120830921621504

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which is a beginner team

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and you're trying to do an end game speed team

kind raptor Mar 3, 2024, 11:45 PM

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okay, so out of all the units, astar is the only one not being above 100k ehp, and raoq not being 100%cr, cuz the guide said abigail just needs to move first i gave her a bit trashy vio set. for shamann there isnt really a recommondation for runes so i just build him 100% cr with cd as high as possible. acc is always at 35% or higher for the defbreakers with artifacts.

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what does overall mean to you?

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i cant work with a "overall" when litarally everything from the guide or the ?nbah command is applied besides 22% cr on the raoq

swift tiger Mar 3, 2024, 11:47 PM

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well that's why you need to do the troubleshooting yourself and watch the runs to see how you fail

kind raptor Mar 3, 2024, 11:47 PM

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and if you say that 22% cr on raoq and the 100k ehp on astar are the only reason for the fails and slowness, fine i will work on it

swift tiger Mar 3, 2024, 11:47 PM

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just literally read what was linked

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instead of complaining

kind raptor Mar 3, 2024, 11:48 PM

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i did my troubleshoot before writing this thread

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thats why i wrote it

swift tiger Mar 3, 2024, 11:49 PM

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To ask for help in ⁠help-and-advice , make a thread and explain why your runs fail, and show stats of all your monsters. Use this format ?statshare (type that in the ⁠bot-commands channel), 1 screenshot for every monster. This will let us see a monster's stats, rune sets, and skillups all in 1 picture.

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this asks you to do 2 things

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you have done 0 of the 2 things

kind raptor Mar 3, 2024, 11:51 PM

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true those screenshots wouldve been smarter, just saw these on all the threads so i did it the same way

swift tiger Mar 3, 2024, 11:51 PM

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don't copy other idiots

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follow the guides

kind raptor Mar 3, 2024, 11:51 PM

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guide didnt say skillups are necassary so i didnt think about it anyway mb

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well and i just saw that i forgot to mention that i used my artifacts to get the debuff skills to at least 35%

swift tiger Mar 3, 2024, 11:54 PM

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maybe skillups for this dungeon in particular with this particular team aren't super important

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that's not the point

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the point is you're either not reading or just choosing to ignore vast parts of the guide because "maybe it doesn't apply to you"

kind raptor Mar 3, 2024, 11:54 PM

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yea i got your point

swift tiger Mar 3, 2024, 11:55 PM

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if there was a super easy answer to questions like these

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believe me i would just tell you

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i am not purposely trying to make your life difficult

kind raptor Mar 3, 2024, 11:55 PM

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nah i just thought i told you all necassary informations really

swift tiger Mar 3, 2024, 11:55 PM

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the honest answer is that i dont know if you need more ehp or more damage

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these teams aren't super straightforward

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everyone is a bit different

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the dungeon isn't easy

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so you need to put in some work yourself, and help us help you

kind raptor Mar 3, 2024, 11:56 PM

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alright

swift tiger Mar 3, 2024, 11:56 PM

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and what i can say, i've already said

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compared to the stats from a beginner necro team

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you have less ehp

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and equal or less dmg as well

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i am comparing specifically raoq and astar as those 2 are the common units

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so you really shouldn't even expect this team to do well

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for a end game speed team

kind raptor Mar 3, 2024, 11:57 PM

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idk man, i put runes in with the right substats, and nearly everything is also grinded XD

swift tiger Mar 3, 2024, 11:57 PM

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you should be greatly exceeding a beginner team stats

kind raptor Mar 3, 2024, 11:57 PM

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ye i guess i will work on those 2 units

swift tiger Mar 3, 2024, 11:57 PM

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i'm not sure why you're having trouble grasping the concept

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that you can have better runes

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runes with not just the right substats

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but MORE of those right substats

kind raptor Mar 3, 2024, 11:58 PM

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i guess icaru is fine as long as he is above the def limit and acc is above 35

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and moves 2nd

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is the shamann fine like that or is he required to at least have some spd?

swift tiger Mar 3, 2024, 11:59 PM

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he doesn't need the speed

kind raptor Mar 3, 2024, 11:59 PM

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if i get my hands on a slot4 cr vio rune i will put it on abigail so she at least has 100% cr, the cd on her doesnt do much rn

swift tiger Mar 3, 2024, 11:59 PM

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but again you can always have more damage

kind raptor Mar 3, 2024, 11:59 PM

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yeah obviously, just sorting priorities rn

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i will work on ehp for astar, and dmg on raoq for now

swift tiger Mar 4, 2024, 12:00 AM

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is it obvious? you've made multiple comments that have demonstrated it wasn't obvious to you

kind raptor Mar 4, 2024, 12:00 AM

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naah thats never what i wanted to say, i know more dmg always is better

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idk sometimes astar fucks up the rotations when he enters a stage with less hp, didnt know what to do about it other than increasing dmg

#My Necro AH Team

Troubleshooting team fails