AO w/ Shun or Chun-Li (Leah) team comp advice | Summoners War | Page 1

ember nebula Sep 10, 2023, 6:33 AM

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This might venture into the #off-meta-fun realm due to trying to force Chun-Li or Shun into a comp possibly at the expense of a more effective unit but the goal is to use my LDs and I feel like there /might/ be something actually effective possible here.@wraith breach hoping for your advice on this since you seem to be the veteran Shun user.

I don't have a Water PVC, Chiwu, or Deborah so some of the classic cleave comps for my Chun-Li or Shun won't work. I feel like a mix of one of the following is the right direction for "next best possibility":

Gin (L) or Gemini (L) for SPD lead and strip. Maybe Tablo?
Kahli or Hraes or Eshir or Praline for buffs, extra single target clean-up damage
L Chun-Li or Sonia + Shun for cleave damage
+1 extra damage, buffer, or stripper (Shun, a 2nd Leah/Chun-Li, Tiana, Laima, Dark Robo, Galleon, Truffle, Gemini)

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Currently C3 using Psamathe(L), 2a Bernard, 2a Megan, Lushen as my main AO ,so I've just been jamming the Chun-Li or Shun into the Lushen slot occasionally, but want to now do a full build around Shun or Chun to really focus on one of those two units as the center point.

Should note too, for total meme value I've got multiple Leah/Chun-Li so could just double down on her too for the flex last slot kinda like the classic double Lushen cleave-- seems safer to bring a redundant stripper/buffer instead though.

I've got all of rest of the 24/33% elemental SPD leads as well but feels like they don't bring enough in the rest of their kits. Bagel's video on Gin doesn't give me high hopes for his strip actually doing anything, ever, but his speed lead and single target damage seems good--Gemini still probably superior choice?.

+217 fastest swift, multiple extra swift sets with +2XX spd, multiple +17x Vio, and can hit +2100 atk & +250% CD on rage. Should be fast enough to enable the above possible mons.

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AO w/ Shun or Chun-Li (Leah) team comp advice

wraith breach Sep 10, 2023, 10:19 AM

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Do you have Deborah? She's way better than Shun with Leah.
Shun pairs best with high single target nukes like Sonja
Leah s2 does more than shun+leah if she does s1

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If you have her you could do Water pudding, shun, sonia, Bernard. Or tablo, megan/bastet, shun, sonia

ember nebula Sep 10, 2023, 10:51 AM

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No Deborah, no Pudding

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Just saw Seiishizo using Gin + Dova in a Siege cleave (with Lushen), hadn't thought about Dova but have that also as an option in there.

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Tablo, Megan, Shun, Sonia is doable for sure, all 4 built already

velvet cryptBOT Sep 10, 2023, 10:58 AM

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Leah (Light Blade Dancer)

Wikia

1. Reverse Turn

Attacks the enemy and decreases the Attack Bar by 30% with a 50% chance.

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Effect Rate +10%
Damage +15%
Effect Rate +15%

Multiplier

3.8*{ATK}

2. Crescent Blade

Attacks all enemies 2 times to decrease their Attack Speed for 2 turns with a 50% chance each. (Reusable in 4 turns)

Levels

Damage +5%
Effect Rate +5%
Damage +15%
Effect Rate +15%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

2.0*{ATK} x2

3. Turn Out (Passive)

The damage increases up to 200% as your Attack Speed is faster than the enemy's Attack Speed. [Automatic Effect]

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Sonia (Wind Battle Angel)

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1. Swift Slash

Attacks the enemy 2 times to decrease Attack Speed for 2 turns with a 30% chance each.

Levels

Damage +5%
Effect Rate +5%
Damage +10%
Effect Rate +15%
Damage +15%

Multiplier

1.9*{ATK} x2

2. Guard Crush

Attacks the enemy quickly and strongly. Ignores the enemy's Defense if the target's Defense is half or less than your Attack Power. (Reusable in 4 turns)

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Damage +15%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

3.5*{ATK}

3. Evasion (Passive)

The faster you are than the enemy, the chance of receiving a Glancing Hit from the enemy increases by up to 50%, and the damage dealt increases by up to 100%. In addition, if the enemy's attack you receive lands as a Glancing Hit, you recover your Attack Bar by 50%. [Automatic Effect]

ember nebula Sep 10, 2023, 10:59 AM

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Leah's S1 multiplier is pretty good

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for single target

I guess the key though is Sonia's defense ignore, although she's elemental damage

velvet cryptBOT Sep 10, 2023, 11:00 AM

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Gin (Light Ninja)

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1. Ninja Stars

Throws ninja stars to attack and inflicts Continuous Damage for 1 turn. This attack will deal more damage according to your Attack Speed.

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Damage +10%
Damage +10%

Multiplier

{ATK}*({SPD} + 145)/65

2. Slicing Winds

Inflicts great damage by slashing the enemy with the energy of the sword and absorbs the enemy's Attack Bar by 50%. The damage of this skill increases according to the Attack Speed. (Reusable in 3 turns)

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

{ATK}*({SPD} + 150)/50

3. Sensation

Blows up a ray of light to inflict damage 2 times to all enemies. The first attack removes one beneficial effect each from enemies with a 50% chance, and the second attack increases the enemy's chances of landing a Glancing Hit for 3 turns with a 75% chance. (Reusable in 5 turns)

Levels

Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

2.3*{ATK} x2

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Shun (Light Shadowcaster)

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1. Dizzying Gesture

Attacks the enemy to stun for 1 turn with a 30% chance.

Levels

Damage +5%
Effect Rate +5%
Effect Rate +5%
Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Effect Rate +10%

Multiplier

3.8*{ATK}

2. Shadow Tie

Attacks the enemy target to inflict damage, ties the target's shadow, and grants an effect that gives 50% of the first hit damage to all enemies and increases your Attack Bar by 100% if the target takes single-target skill damage. This effect can tie one target at a time, and gets untied if either the tied enemy or you get defeated. It does not apply to boss battles. (Reusable in 5 turns)

Levels

Cooltime Turn -1
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

4.5*{ATK}

3. Infinity Shadow (Passive)

Ignores Defense when attacking a target tied by the shadow, and decreases the damage taken from the tied target by 30%. Removes one beneficial effect when attacking an enemy. [Automatic Effect]

velvet cryptBOT Sep 10, 2023, 11:43 AM

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Gemini (Light Brownie Magician)

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1. Run Run

Bounces towards the enemy to attack and gets another turn with a 20% chance.

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Damage +10%
Damage +10%

Multiplier

3.0*{ATK}

2. Fly Fly

Attacks all enemies with giant orbs, decreasing their Defense for 1 turn. This attack won't land as a Glancing Hit. (Reusable in 4 turns)

Levels

Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

2.7*{ATK}

3. Small Grudge (Passive)

Removes 1 beneficial effect granted on the enemy when attacking. Increases the damage by 100% if your HP condition is worse than the enemy's HP condition.[Automatic Effect]

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Tablo (Light Dice Magician)

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1. Roll Dice

Rolls 2 dice to attack the enemy target 2 times and grants an effect according to each number you get for 2 turns as follows; 4: Unrecoverable, 5: Decrease DEF, 6: Increased chances of landing a Glancing Hit. Instantly gains another turn if you get the same number.

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Damage +10%
Damage +10%

Multiplier

1.9*{ATK} x2

2. Unlucky 7

Rolls 2 dice to attack all enemies and Stuns them for 1 turn if the sum of the numbers is greater than 7, and decreases the Attack Speed for 2 turns if the sum is less than 7. Instantly gains another turn if you get the same number. (Reusable in 4 turns)

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Damage +10%
Damage +10%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

3.0*{ATK}

3. Returned Dice

Makes the Attack Bar of all enemies and all allies change to 0, increases the Attack Speed of all other allies except yourself for 1 turn and stuns yourself for 1 turn. This effect can't be resisted and ignores the immunity. (Reusable in 7 turns)

Levels

Cooltime Turn -1
Cooltime Turn -1

ember nebula Sep 17, 2023, 4:01 AM

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How's this looking for Shun stats?

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Can hit similar with Will instead of Destroy

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rage is possible for about 100% more cd

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accuracy falls off on the rage though, or I need to slot 6 acc then or run focus sub

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artifact has 11% acc on s2

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can bump that crit rate a little higher but speed and health take a hit

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wraith breach Sep 17, 2023, 7:45 AM

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ember nebula

How do you plan on using this? With Leo I assume?

velvet cryptBOT Sep 17, 2023, 7:46 AM

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Here is the requested monster.

Teramo - Shun

Full views:
#1 Shun

#1 Violent, Will

SPD, CRate, HP%

HP: 26098
DEF: 1221
ATK: 1587
SPD: 260
CR: 102%
CD: 54%
ACC: 92%
RES: 15%
EHP: 141281
Effcy: 102.58%

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Here is the requested monster.

Teramo - Shun (RTA)

Full views:
#1 Shun

#1 Swift

SPD, CRate, ACC

HP: 25457
DEF: 980
ATK: 1504
SPD: 319
CR: 92%
CD: 62%
ACC: 128%
RES: 22%
EHP: 116338
Effcy: 104.63%

wraith breach Sep 17, 2023, 7:46 AM

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This is how mine are. Both are speedtuned to Sonia

ember nebula Sep 17, 2023, 9:24 AM

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Cheers @wraith breach that gives me some goal posts

ember nebula Sep 17, 2023, 9:25 AM

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wraith breach This is how mine are. Both are speedtuned to Sonia

what's the turn order for your team tune?

wraith breach Sep 17, 2023, 9:27 AM

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Bernard>WaterPVC>Shun>Sonia
or if I need spd lead
Bernard>Shun>Sonia>Spd lead

Latter can hit less things. Primary damage is Sonia, Shun just wants 100CR to clean up. More bulk > More damage imo so it adds safety incase he fails to land

ember nebula Sep 17, 2023, 9:28 AM

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she's deffo not suited for my current runes, it's tough hitting both the CR and the Acc on the same runes

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gonna have to do some more farming

velvet cryptBOT Sep 17, 2023, 9:28 AM

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Here is the requested monster.

Teramo - Sonia

Full views:
#1 Sonia

#1 Fatal, Blade

SPD, CDmg, ATK%

HP: 14332
DEF: 872
ATK: 3029
SPD: 249
CR: 92%
CD: 162%
ACC: 7%
RES: 15%
EHP: 60079
Effcy: 99.36%

ember nebula Sep 17, 2023, 9:29 AM

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Seeing that you put CR on Slot 4 for Shun is helpful

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I think that's where I'm messing up on my current rune attempts

wraith breach Sep 17, 2023, 9:29 AM

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you're runing him as a DD, but he's better suited as a bruiser

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you can run him spd/cr/acc for example since Sonia is the one that actually has to kill.

ember nebula Sep 26, 2023, 2:28 PM

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Seems pretty solid so far, excited to get the devilmons for Sonia with this event this is what I ended up with:

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Tablo cookin' on +220, everything spd tuned to his buff on s3

wraith breach Sep 26, 2023, 2:29 PM

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How hard does Sonia hit

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ember nebula Sep 26, 2023, 2:33 PM

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that's against a 1020 defense Kinki. Those buffs are over Sonia's head

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followup hit from Shun

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terrible screencap timing for graphics, that's Fire M Bison, Camilla, Kinki, Triana defense

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need to probably shift some more runes around and I can pump that CD higher on Sonia

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hardest part was getting the speed tune down first, should be able to find some more CD or ATK

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Sonia is on broken there too, needs blade sub probably

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That's also holding Sonia back a ton

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missing 25% damage on s2

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Sonia needs better artifacts for sure too

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Farming fight runes with the event, I'd ideally like to get Tablo on one fight set as well if I can find one with a high enough speed sub to swap out his broken

ember nebula Sep 26, 2023, 3:05 PM

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I was thinking of toying around with Fire Ezio / Patrick as a leader as well in a slower bruiser comp with Shun, thoughts there? No Water PVC yet.

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he brings ignore damage reduction / ignores defense high single target damage to the table

velvet cryptBOT Sep 26, 2023, 3:07 PM

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Patrick (Fire Steel Commander)

Wikia

2. Steel Swordsmanship

Attacks the enemy 2 times to decrease its Defense with an 80% chance and stuns for 1 turn with a 50% chance. (Reusable in 4 turns)

Levels

Damage +5%
Effect Rate +5%
Damage +5%
Damage +10%
Effect Rate +15%
Cooltime Turn -1

Multiplier

3.2*{ATK} x2

Neg. Effects

Decrease DEF (1 round(s))
Stun (1 round(s))

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Patrick (Fire Steel Commander)

Wikia

1. Commander Strike

Attacks the enemy to inflict damage that ignores all damage reduction effects.

Levels

Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Damage +5%
Damage +10%

Multiplier

3.8*{ATK}

Neg. Effects

Ignore Damage Reduction

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Patrick (Fire Steel Commander)

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3. Battle Expert (Passive)

Inflicts damage that ignores the Defense in proportion to the enemy's lost HP by at least 30%, up to 100%, when you attack on your turn. Ignores the enemy's Defense by an additional 20% when attacking an enemy without beneficial effects. [Automatic Effect]

Pos. Effects

Ignore DEF (30%)

ember nebula Sep 26, 2023, 3:10 PM

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38% attack arena lead

wraith breach Sep 26, 2023, 3:56 PM

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I wouldn't bother with him.

Also, why would you hit Kinki? You can't crit on him so the damage is kinda meaningless. Hit something you can crit

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Splash is static, so it ignores his passive. But the main hit does not.

ember nebula Sep 27, 2023, 12:46 AM

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wraith breach I wouldn't bother with him. Also, why would you hit Kinki? You can't crit on h...

Didn't think about that, figured it would be a good baseline hitting my own defense, I'm dumb for hitting the Kinki indeed, everyone else on my AD has high enough defense to turn Sonia off until BP -- here's in the wild against a random mid 1500s rank c2 (checked his profile, he's G2 top arena record / g3 guild--so likely has decent runes) defense hitting Savannah:

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Shun got provoked onto the Nora so didn't get to see what her S1 did for damage on shadow tie

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thats also midanimation on the healthbars draining

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here's a few frames later:

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almost one shot the nora

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killed the Psama, dismounted Sav, Kinki left hanging by a thread

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Also was cool to see Tablo outspeed a 33% lead

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there's with the Shun followup, 2 shot that defense

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Sonia 1 shot the Kinki, Abellio, Nana, Dismounted Sav -- Nana came back, Shun cleaned up

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this is a noticable improvement over using Psa. Bernard, Megan, Lushen as my main AO -- way broader range of stuff I can hit with this for sure

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Thanks a ton for your help on this @wraith breach

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any pitfalls I should watch out for with AD's to totally avoid? Like what are some hard counters that you automatically switch to a different AO or skip over?

ember nebula Sep 27, 2023, 3:28 AM

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2 tapped, my lushen team never woulda even attempted this

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I think with devilmons Sonia woulda 1 tapped that

wraith breach Sep 27, 2023, 5:22 AM

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3k splash is rather low. Fine in low ranks. Try to get runes to move Sonia to cd without losing stats

ember nebula Sep 27, 2023, 6:04 AM

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probably spend the rest of the event in GBAH farming Fatal

velvet cryptBOT Sep 27, 2023, 6:12 AM

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Here is the requested monster.

Teramo - Sonia

Full views:
#1 Sonia

#1 Fatal, Blade

SPD, CDmg, ATK%

HP: 14332
DEF: 872
ATK: 3029
SPD: 249
CR: 92%
CD: 162%
ACC: 7%
RES: 15%
EHP: 60079
Effcy: 99.36%

wraith breach Sep 27, 2023, 6:13 AM

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you'll have to grind some Rifts as well for gems/grinds.

The reason I said it, is because in higher rank even my splash sometimes gets survived

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and I hit 120k

ember nebula Sep 27, 2023, 6:13 AM

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CR on Slot 4 right now

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switching that to CD and getting blade set should help a lot

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