Therion Siege Advice (Starting Season of July 2023) | Summoners War | Page 2

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:04 PM

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if you want to bruiser without leo then i only feel safe if you use super premium stuff like cami windy

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:05 PM

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Oh for goodness sake

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I was so blindsided

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I forgot I can use units that aren't tractor with cami windy lmao

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Okay, so maybe more like harmonia camilla windy vs seara nana theo if I'm looking to bruiser

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:06 PM

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specifically against seara nana theo - this one is bad there's no strip or sustain so you can easily just do immunity bruiser, like woosa + anything

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:06 PM

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Ahhhh.

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We do have a decent amount of leos actually

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But yeah of course it's not unlimited

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:07 PM

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you can cleave with meph + atk buffer + lushen, or just julie lushen

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:07 PM

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Praline mephisto lushen?

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:07 PM

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there's no spd threat dont use praline

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use like kahli or hraes

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:08 PM

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Alright. I was just concerned because I'm playing into speed lead without one

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:09 PM

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how fast is a seara nana theo going to be

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:09 PM

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I'd expect 286

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:10 PM

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286 combat speed right?

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:10 PM

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Yes

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So I can just do mephisto kona lushen and should be all fine

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:10 PM

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yea so you can easily have a meph way faster without spd lead

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:10 PM

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That makes sense

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I was talking with matt about just using triple will 0 spd mephisto so he can sit there and tank. I am curious about doing something like that and just running swift on kona instead

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:12 PM

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my preference is to have another dd in there

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if theo kills lushen your meph may not be able to keep killing revived nana

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so like i said id be using kahli meph lushen or hraes meph lushen

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:12 PM

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Mephisto kahli lushen

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Ahhhhhhhhhh

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Okay

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Got it

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I finally understand. Thank you

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:12 PM

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i know dmg with lushen is lower

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but you have to consider the things you're hitting

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very very unlikely seara is built to be a lushen trap

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:12 PM

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Yeah. I'd accept a loss to that

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That would be so outlandish that I would not be worried about a loss to that lol.

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Thank you, that helps a lot 🙇

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:15 PM

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against tl nora theo i'd use coco kahli tablo, or some other double snipe with kahli as the "booster"

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if you want to bruiser it maybe xing tetra leo

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:25 PM

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jagged bone against tl nora theo i'd use coco kahli tablo, or some other double snipe with k...

I just fear being unable to one shot nora with kahli with 44% lead

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I'm still running a crate kahli to meet reqs

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The other thing I fear is swift nora

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:26 PM

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so use the kahli double snipe then

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do you have any premium ignore def mons

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:27 PM

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I have 2 sonias

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:27 PM

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like sonia or beth

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oh if you have sonia it's ez

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:27 PM

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Do you tune to speed buff?

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:27 PM

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yes

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you can do slot 4 cr sonia and easily 1 shot the TL

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kahli just gets your fastest set doesn't have to be optimized for dmg, you have speed advantage over nora and you're just buffing turn 1

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:28 PM

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And my second ignore is just a covenant tuned properly or something of this nature?

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:28 PM

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your 2nd dd to 1 shot nora may be a bit harder but still

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yea

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taru probably better here

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:28 PM

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Right. Because of requirements

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:28 PM

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claire if you have her

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actually sorry cov or claire should be considered because of lead

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:29 PM

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Yeah I was thinking about cov for lead and because. He's covenant

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:29 PM

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beth has atk lead too if you ahve her

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:29 PM

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You mean bethony?

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:30 PM

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yes

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we call bethony as beth and just ignore the real beth

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:30 PM

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honestly valid, beth isn't a real monster

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:30 PM

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i hate that they keep changing her and making her worse too

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like wtf

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:30 PM

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just for fun

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you know

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:30 PM

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why bother changing her at all

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i actually still use her

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:31 PM

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i remember you were using her in isa, no?

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:31 PM

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in arena against vanessa mst

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i still do, she's fine

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but every single change makes her worse and more generically worse

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anyway yea the 2nd dd you rune for this is gonna be extremely difficult especially if you only have cov or taru as options

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not much you can do. get better runes or let the whales handle it

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:33 PM

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I'm a little tadpole and I'm the biggest one in the guild right now

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Unlucky??

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But nah we have the premium options, I'm responsible for macro and stuff so I have no problems calling for an offense that we have

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We have at least two claire kahli sonias IIRC

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Is there a proper resource on tuning to speed buff yet? I know that SF discord had a bot and angel was trying to get it here

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:34 PM

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i'm sure there is but the only one i know if is angel's bot

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maybe harass xzandro or reliosora to add this feature to their tuning calculators

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maybe they can already? i dunno

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:34 PM

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XD

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:34 PM

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the discord bot is so handy i can use it on mobile

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:34 PM

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i'll ask, i know angel wanted to get the bot in here before he quit

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that is op, give pls

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:35 PM

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i spent the last year reapping swift and farming mostly giants and it's helped a lot

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:35 PM

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thank god com2us decided to give you praline after that

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:36 PM

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funny com2us gave me dark kass before praline

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:36 PM

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it was totally necessary

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you here all these cool siege players talk about double ignore

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you have triple ignore

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PepeShrug

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:38 PM

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also funny while talking about theo i have whale option against him too with benedict

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:38 PM

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unfair

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:39 PM

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its ok next patch they'll give jaara anti death too

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:39 PM

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i'm still laughing over garo draco jaara

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i was like "...fuck, you right though"

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i'm actually still not sure what to recommend my guild to use vs MST, i'd like people to use praline where they can

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because we definitely have some up and coming players. i'd like them to be able to hit mst

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:41 PM

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praline, teamup, beth, miri lushen

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twl as last option

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teamup as in both icaru ryan verde or TQ raoq verde

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:42 PM

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It is very important that you take one of these counters in. MST is a highly studied defense and bringing in random counters will get you losses.

SS tier -
__Bethony, Eshir, Konamiya. __
Ryan, Icaru, Verdehile.
Mirinae, Dova, Lushen.
**S tier **-
Tien Qin, Raoq, Verdehile.
A tier -
Gemini, Kahli, Leah
Tractor, Windy, Lulu.

B Tier -
Galleon, Bernard, Julie.
Carcano, Dova/Teon/Konamiya, Lushen.
Water twins molly/felleria/shamann.

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this is what I wrote out for my guild

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:42 PM

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tq raoq verde is much easier to play but a bit weaker, icaru ryan is a bit prone to piloting errors

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:42 PM

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ignore all the text

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those were the counters i had listed mostly

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tq raoq verde is the biggest one i've been suggesting

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there, sorry

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easier to read

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:43 PM

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yea just get praline into the ss tier and it's good

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:43 PM

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XD

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you right though

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:43 PM

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and tbh

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with praline in ss tier you can also put non-praline double snipes into a or s tier

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for example summoner1722's favorite mst counter was hongyeon taru cov

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:44 PM

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summoner1722 truly was ahead of their time

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i will include this in the MST counter list

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:44 PM

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i didn't come up with it people have been doing it for years

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its just that swift shaina was always a threat

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and at lower levels i'll just take my chances

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and assume no one is running swift

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hongyeon does have spd advantage though

balmy ridge Sep 26, 2023, 2:45 PM

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one of my guildies went to praline mst and got outsped with a +210 praline on lead, i have no idea how that's possible

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happened this siege

jagged bone Sep 26, 2023, 2:45 PM

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tons of op accounts in lower ranks

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so i guess its possible

balmy ridge Sep 27, 2023, 11:07 AM

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do we think bruisering is going to become a thing of the past here outside of giga premium stuff soon?

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it feels like praline has kind of made all bruisering obsolete

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i'm thinking of just telling my guild that we only farm giants for the next month with this event

jagged bone Sep 27, 2023, 2:27 PM

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it's definitely worse than before but not obsolete

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this is a pattern that has come up before praline buff anyway

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in the past it was possible to just bruiser everything, and the mindset was that any cleave was always more dangerous because it was easier to trap cleave

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this is no longer true. there are definitely many defs where cleave is the safer option even when factoring in the possibility of getting trapped, or rune gapped

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despite us always complaining that siege def keeps getting nerfed and is harder and harder, the truth is that there have been buffs to siege def mons that introduce way too much rng to prevent the possiblity of any sort of 100% safe bruiser counter

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for example things like monte or cichlid, buffs to theo, etc

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average siege offense win rate is still going up, for example it's "easy" now to hit 95% wr, but it's become impossible to hit 99-100%

ornate falcon Sep 27, 2023, 2:34 PM

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jagged bone despite us always complaining that siege def keeps getting nerfed and is harder ...

I think the complaint about buffing siege offense is that they’re why those defenses are acceptable

balmy ridge Oct 1, 2023, 10:59 PM

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Alright friends what's the solution to carc liu mei fuuki

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Is it really just TWL

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This actually feels so uncomfortable and I cannot get it to be consistent

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The closest I have came is double string lulu (memes)

balmy ridge Oct 2, 2023, 11:33 AM

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@jagged bone sorry for ping - I'm still trying to figure this one out and IIRC mythril ran this r4 tourney many seasons ago

jagged bone Oct 2, 2023, 1:46 PM

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if you wanted to bruiser it i think single string (yeonhwa) should be pretty good. up to you if you want to do double fire or double water with it, khmun racuni is the best support for yeonhwa but carc is a bit more dangerous than fuuki, vigor elucia is always a classic

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or just cleave it

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i'm sure if we see this it's going to be insta julie or lushened

balmy ridge Oct 2, 2023, 2:18 PM

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I feel like it's just tough since you can get ripped through so quickly on racuni or khmun by carc. I'll try to test a bit more with yeonhwa vigor elucia

jagged bone Oct 2, 2023, 2:20 PM

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yea thats the point of yeonhwa though

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vigor elucia would make you weak to fuuki, so just depends on what you're more scared of

ornate falcon Oct 2, 2023, 2:34 PM

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Something you have to come to terms with it most modern defenses have a pick your poison aspect where you can’t really defend against everything

balmy ridge Oct 2, 2023, 2:48 PM

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That makes sense.

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Honestly fuuki is a slayer of God's unit I'm pretty sure

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But so is carcano

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despair

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Khmun racuni yh feels much better because. You can actually kill fuuki. But it feels worse because if it's yolo you can die any time super fast

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I want to run this defense now lmao. It's so hard

balmy ridge Oct 10, 2023, 5:41 PM

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I have a stupid question, if you run garo draco kahli vs seara orion perna. Are you killing seara first?

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Yes right?

ornate falcon Oct 10, 2023, 5:59 PM

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postthisdog @jagged bone

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I’m not a gdk user, help

jagged bone Oct 10, 2023, 6:02 PM

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you don't run garo draco kahli vs seara orion perna

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but i guess if you did then yes you have to kill seara first

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one of the strengths of gdk is the immunity from draco which gives you protection against both seara and orion

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i would only use it against other +1 variants like LDs or rakan

balmy ridge Oct 10, 2023, 6:29 PM

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ahhh okay. i thought people ran it against perna also. thank you

jagged bone Oct 10, 2023, 6:31 PM

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people do but it's not great

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i think we discussed this

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if you want to run gdk vs seara orion perna you should use something like mara/jaara/raki instead of kahli

balmy ridge Oct 10, 2023, 6:32 PM

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that part I remember

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it's just for guildies, not for me :D

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i recommend fran malaka triana generally, it's just for when we're at the bottom of the barrel

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https://i.imgur.com/gc1nykk.png

Imgur

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oops, i'm not sure why it says perna on 286

balmy ridge Oct 10, 2023, 8:53 PM

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okay friends. how to beat sylvia zeratu loren. i lost and had to literally deploy the darkest of magic where ent told me the max speed of the loren after viewing the replay in order to beat it. Help

jagged bone Oct 10, 2023, 8:56 PM

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uhh there's no way i'm doing anything else but cleaving this

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for example praline kabilla lushen

quasi jolt Oct 10, 2023, 9:29 PM

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What Runes should i choose from that Check in Event as a completly newbie

ornate falcon Oct 10, 2023, 9:31 PM

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jagged bone for example praline kabilla lushen

not afraid of tanky zeratu?

jagged bone Oct 10, 2023, 9:32 PM

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it's always a question of what you're afraid of more

neon bane Oct 10, 2023, 9:41 PM

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Bruisering this is pretty sure more scary

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Way too much rng with Sylvia dragging Loren into whatever and Zeratu killing you in 1 proc

modest palm Oct 10, 2023, 10:24 PM

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quasi jolt What Runes should i choose from that Check in Event as a completly newbie

will, and keep all the runes

balmy ridge Oct 21, 2023, 5:25 PM

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@jagged bone i request the wisdom of the ancients. what is the counter to galleon clara yen? best i could come up with is garo draco kahli but i figure my guildies can lose racing. the other ones i was thinking of were khmun racuni malite/dagora.

jagged bone Oct 21, 2023, 5:26 PM

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you can do khmun racuni rina if you want to bruiser it

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but you should really just always race and cleave it

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garo draco or susano orion has huge spd advantage

balmy ridge Oct 21, 2023, 5:26 PM

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aPES4_Noted

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thank you

jagged bone Oct 21, 2023, 5:27 PM

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can use sian instead of rina too for bruiser

balmy ridge Oct 21, 2023, 5:27 PM

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oh yeah, that was another thing we ran

balmy ridge Oct 22, 2023, 12:21 PM

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Is taru the lowest rune requirement of the jamire cleaves? One of our players is a cleave gamer and isn't using Jamire and I definitely want them to be able to utilize it

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Her runes aren't awful per say but she's still working on them

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I do want to have us start utilizing lushen more as well honestly, I'm gonna go back and read through the lushen section of beginner pvp and see if I can do some learning peepoPeek I never really used lushen much but since starting playing summoner1722 I am major lushen/julie enthusiast

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(i made a 3rd lushen last siege lmao)

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it also helps that summoner1722 has like the second b est lushen in our guild? Help?

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i'm still having our top scientists try to figure out how the fuck that happened

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second question i had

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i ended up getting hardcore khmun bastet odin spammed last siege

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so i pulled out the galleon tiana zaiross. i am curious if there's any point of even trying to pursue the attack part of the passive vs odin in this comp

i was considering atk atk atk zaiross but you could also just get fucked by a pure yolo odin i suppose

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also, since odin awakens into resistance, is there an point in pursuing a sprinkle of accuracy? like 25% or so?

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wait fuck maybe i can garo draco jaara this too

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:19 PM

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balmy ridge I do want to have us start utilizing lushen more as well honestly, I'm gonna go ...

have you tried using both lushen julie in the same team

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:20 PM

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balmy ridge Is taru the lowest rune requirement of the jamire cleaves? One of our players is...

yes

balmy ridge Oct 22, 2023, 1:20 PM

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jagged bone have you tried using both lushen julie in the same team

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Okayge

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is a fun preset

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:21 PM

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oh i already made it a preset

balmy ridge Oct 22, 2023, 1:21 PM

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yep lmao

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there's a bunch of new stuff now too

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it has bolverk amelia windy, jeanne leo helena and i got claire

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it's stacked as heck now

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:21 PM

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balmy ridge

i forgot if i had it tuned correctly though

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i think i remember having to like swap runes or something to get the order i wanted

balmy ridge Oct 22, 2023, 1:21 PM

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is it supposed to be lushen then julie?

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:22 PM

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it depends on the def actually

balmy ridge Oct 22, 2023, 1:22 PM

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ahhhh

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:22 PM

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i was using it mostly against nana defs

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like nana sav

balmy ridge Oct 22, 2023, 1:22 PM

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that makes sense

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:22 PM

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lushen needs to go first to dismount sav

balmy ridge Oct 22, 2023, 1:22 PM

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i decided i don't want to move any of the runes at all

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everything is so well runed

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i just leave it

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if i want to use a monster i can because it's well runed]

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there was a 22 speed violent slot 6 hp% rune

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just chilling

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i was like hmm maybe jx thinks this isn't f2p enough

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:23 PM

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oh because the last few months i barely played and just collected some events

balmy ridge Oct 22, 2023, 1:23 PM

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ahhhh

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i just thought it was so funny

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:23 PM

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i think that was an event rune and i just didn't use it yet

balmy ridge Oct 22, 2023, 1:23 PM

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i was thinking in my head

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jx is saying "nah, this is too premium"

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:24 PM

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LOL there is some truth to that though like i purposely waited until after anni event to start the account

balmy ridge Oct 22, 2023, 1:24 PM

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XD

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you're abusing free r5 (r4) on beginner account jx it's not realistic

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:24 PM

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and i was going to do that for this new account too.. but i realized

balmy ridge Oct 22, 2023, 1:24 PM

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Clueless

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:24 PM

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i think com2us is just going to start stacking continuous beginner events

balmy ridge Oct 22, 2023, 1:24 PM

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i hope so

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:24 PM

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every time is a good time to start

balmy ridge Oct 22, 2023, 1:24 PM

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it's true

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this event is so nice though

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gave me a free jeanne

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for jeanne leo helena

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t-thanks com2us

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:25 PM

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did you pull a leo?

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i dont think i had a leo

balmy ridge Oct 22, 2023, 1:25 PM

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yep

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:25 PM

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i think i did remember having bolv and helena

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nice

balmy ridge Oct 22, 2023, 1:25 PM

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i got so much good stuff

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i decided since we are going for the g2 finish and there were plenty of crystals i'd use them until ~13k left

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and idk the rates were just not fair jx

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:26 PM

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lol

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:27 PM

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balmy ridge so i pulled out the galleon tiana zaiross. i am curious if there's any point of ...

oh and for this question... i wouldn't do triple atk just for the passive, you'll probably get it most cases anyway just doing a regular cd build

balmy ridge Oct 22, 2023, 1:27 PM

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jagged bone oh and for this question... i wouldn't do triple atk just for the passive, you'l...

i was wondering if it's feasible to get against odin at all

jagged bone Oct 22, 2023, 1:29 PM

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it's not worth specifically trying to get super high atk just for it, the only time it comes into play is if you want to ensure killing odin if you miss def break

balmy ridge Oct 22, 2023, 1:30 PM

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jagged bone it's not worth specifically trying to get super high atk just for it, the only t...

that's fair

balmy ridge Oct 25, 2023, 5:44 PM

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guys do i keep a third mephisto PepeShrug

sick field Oct 25, 2023, 5:48 PM

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if you use 2, why not

jagged bone Oct 25, 2023, 5:55 PM

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because runes/grinds/reapps/lds are cool

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maybe feed if you have a rune/grind from shop you want to get

sick field Oct 25, 2023, 5:59 PM

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but wouldnt you rather keep something you use?

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the runes/grinds arent really going anywhere

jagged bone Oct 25, 2023, 6:10 PM

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well i think they're probably not using 2 mephs every siege

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meph is nice but not like a camilla level dupe

balmy ridge Oct 27, 2023, 1:40 PM

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Do we think Megan is a better booster than praline for Odin booster X?

jagged bone Oct 27, 2023, 1:47 PM

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should be comparable if not better

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with odin you're most likely using his lead... and then you'd probably end up with a ton of wasted efficiency in CR if you're using praline as well

balmy ridge Oct 27, 2023, 1:54 PM

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I feels wasteful to use praline, that was my impression

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Runing like that is extremely weird

jagged bone Oct 27, 2023, 1:55 PM

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yea thats what i mean

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i guess can do cov odin praline

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and use atk lead instead of odin lead

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megan's boost isn't as big as bastet

balmy ridge Oct 27, 2023, 4:05 PM

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Feels wasteful to not take advantage of his outstanding lead

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I have a Megan already collecting dust so ChillBar_shrug

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Give it a shot, ty

balmy ridge Oct 27, 2023, 4:27 PM

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How to abuse kinki on offense? Have a few guildies with kinki. I know he is very strong but I am unsure where or how to use him

ornate falcon Oct 27, 2023, 4:37 PM

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balmy ridge How to abuse kinki on offense? Have a few guildies with kinki. I know he is very...

Treat him like a tank

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Who also does damage

balmy ridge Oct 27, 2023, 4:37 PM

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But ent told me no use tank

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Noooooooo

jagged bone Oct 27, 2023, 5:56 PM

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yea he's very similar to windy

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a lot of times he's almost interchangeable

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for example if you were using windy to tank some fire, you can use kinki to tank the same fire if you bring 2 water with him

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but then you can tank any element threat not just water if you bring the appropriate +2

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he can also be used as a generic bruiser along with windy/camilla/tractor/etc those types of mons

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if you run into a def with lots of aoe strip/aoe def break/randomness

balmy ridge Oct 28, 2023, 12:11 PM

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Ahh okay. Do people run res on offense when he is used this way? Or speed at all?

jagged bone Oct 28, 2023, 12:55 PM

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i like him on res and 239 tick

balmy ridge Feb 23, 2024, 2:13 PM

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@jagged bone I'm struggling super hard with the modern LD defenses. I'm the offense person for CV and when we get a map filled with, for example, Sylvia Cichlid Tesa I struggle hard. How do I start approaching these? I spent a lot of time thinking and the only counter I can think of that is consistent unscouted would probably be Hyanes Dark Hom Verad? I wrote some ideas and why they don't work

jagged bone Feb 23, 2024, 2:13 PM

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balmy ridge <@89397611085201408> I'm struggling super hard with the modern LD defenses. I'm ...

don't worry i still lose all the time to sylvia cichlid tesa too

balmy ridge Feb 23, 2024, 2:14 PM

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Hmmm

jagged bone Feb 23, 2024, 2:14 PM

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it's a super good def and nothing is very safe against it

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just throw jeanne leo helena or bolv into it, they're good enough

balmy ridge Feb 23, 2024, 2:15 PM

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Alright. I'll keep pondering in the meanwhile. We also struggled with mihyang Lora tesa.

jagged bone Feb 23, 2024, 2:16 PM

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another pretty good generic approach to spd lead stripper tesa is the tetra yeonhwa +1

balmy ridge Feb 23, 2024, 2:16 PM

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Yeonhwa cami tetra?

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That's part of what we run

jagged bone Feb 23, 2024, 2:16 PM

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cami would definitely work

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but i think others would too, like against this specifically you have a wind tank for enem ytesa and he's the only def break

balmy ridge Feb 23, 2024, 2:17 PM

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The problem I'm having is tesa disables chilling sonia outspeed

jagged bone Feb 23, 2024, 2:17 PM

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so you can use your own tesa or other non wind bruisers

balmy ridge Feb 23, 2024, 2:18 PM

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Since you know. Very hard to win after. Maybe mihyang Adriana Sonia can but it just feels so messy vs these

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Hmmm ok. We will try this out. Thank you.

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I'm fine with scouting hits with 93~% stuff and taking notes

jagged bone Feb 23, 2024, 2:19 PM

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also tbh against lora you can just probably just tiana or lushen it if you have will

balmy ridge Feb 23, 2024, 2:19 PM

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I think I'm getting to the point where notes are needed

jagged bone Feb 23, 2024, 2:19 PM

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no one is running swift lora and if they do she cant do anything if she outspeeds

balmy ridge Feb 23, 2024, 2:19 PM

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~~we run into a lot of swift lora~~

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But

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That makes sense

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Is it still cheongpung?

jagged bone Feb 23, 2024, 2:20 PM

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i guess your danger is running into cracked +200 spd despair/vio loras

balmy ridge Feb 23, 2024, 2:20 PM

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Yeah that's true

jagged bone Feb 23, 2024, 2:20 PM

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that can even outspeed your swift

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