Faimon Volcano HARD over HELL? | Summoners War | Page 1

vital fulcrum Jul 8, 2023, 12:42 PM

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Just wondering if the increased amount of Unknown Scrolls is worth it over the Nat3 Salamanders and slightly higher rate of Inugamis.

EXP is lower, but since the Energy cost is also lower, I'm genuinely confused.

My goal is to Evolve the max amount of Monsters to 6-stars possible.

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 2:44 PM

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So as a player still in progression(working on a stable gban team) the question of what we should do so that we can get more unkown scrolls / food monsters was very confusing to me as well. I just starting using swarfarm data and thanks to your post, i had the opportunity to look into it even more.
As a result, after some simple calculations I made, if we clean the volcano at normal level, what we get for the 300 energy is 87 energy (which means we actually spent 213 energy for 100 runs, so we spend almost 2 energy for one run!), 200k mana, 89.7 unknown scrolls (which is approx. 110 x 1* monster). And if we want to we can use 200k mana to buy 50 unknown scrolls from Magic Shop(there is approximately 5 to 10 unknown scrolls each time we refresh and the price is around 40k for x10) which also adds 55 x 1* monters. So in total for 213 energy we get 165 x 1 monsters.* If we do hard one, there is a slight chance(%1.8) we can get inugami but its totaly not worth it since we use almost %50 more energy per run compared to normal run. And if we do hell, well its not even an option anymore also getting inugami chance is even lower! Of course, i ignore the amount of experience received, since it is not our priority (food monsters doesn't need exp anymore with the recent patch)

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And I want to reiterate that the data is from swarfarm, i didn't test it yet.

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In other words we need 773 energy(to get 600 x 1* monsters) to evolve a 5* monster to 6*

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 2:56 PM

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i would argue thats a energy waste tho, u could use the same energy to farm runes instead, where 3 and 4* rainbowmon could drop

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Sure i dont know the math if its optimal for purely evolving stuff, but u will always need runes in ur life, u cant use ur new monsters without runes anyway, so it should just be better

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 2:57 PM

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Which only requires x4 recharge energy, which cost 240 crystals. In comparison 5* element upgrade packs contain 3 x 5* lvl1 rainbow with some angelmons and 1 devilmon costs 1000 crystals

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 3:00 PM

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faint ether i would argue thats a energy waste tho, u could use the same energy to farm rune...

Thats of course a valid question, i actually do some basic math on that as well. i think for my progression if i need a 6* monster to farm pve (which i do) its not even an option.

fresh sluice Jul 8, 2023, 3:01 PM

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you dont need many 6* in the beginning to start giants tho, and after that you should just farm giants until you get the resources anyway iirc, coz u wont really be done with the giant runes anytime soon

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 3:01 PM

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And farming normal faimon to get a 6* monster is requiers rlly short time i would say, so its cant even comparable farming giants since we will basically farm that forever

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:01 PM

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honest nimbus Which only requires x4 recharge energy, which cost 240 crystals. In comparison 5...

most crystals worth here is the devilmon tho in the pack

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:01 PM

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honest nimbus Thats of course a valid question, i actually do some basic math on that as well....

i would say the only time u NEED a monster for progression is when u cant farm the best available giants

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because u will farm giants forever so no time there is wasted

fresh sluice Jul 8, 2023, 3:02 PM

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well i dont think youd get to abyss that fast

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or did they make a new guide

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:02 PM

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its getting worked at

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 3:02 PM

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faint ether i would say the only time u NEED a monster for progression is when u cant farm t...

Yeah thats what i'm saying. Rigth now i farm gb10, to be able to farm gban i need to 6* 2 monster for example

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:02 PM

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its probably possible to do GBAH really early

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:02 PM

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honest nimbus Yeah thats what i'm saying. Rigth now i farm gb10, to be able to farm gban i nee...

which team u using for gb10

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and which u plan to use for gbah

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also in that case

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i would still farm gb10

fresh sluice Jul 8, 2023, 3:03 PM

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gban not worth farming i believe

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:03 PM

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over faimon

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ofc it is

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why would it not be, its better then gb10 i think

fresh sluice Jul 8, 2023, 3:03 PM

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ye but make a whole new team just for normal?

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if the gb10 team works for it sure

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:04 PM

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the team u would use for normal would hopefully not contain any monsters u dont need for anything else anyway

fresh sluice Jul 8, 2023, 3:04 PM

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else just work on gbah?

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 3:05 PM

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the team i use for gb10 is Lushen, Fran, Loren, Vero, Sig with average 1.50 time. the team to be able to farm gban(i think) is Galleon, veromos, sig, kro, laika

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:05 PM

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fresh sluice else just work on gbah?

u would probably use the same units anyways

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its a rune quality issue

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nothing else

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:05 PM

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honest nimbus the team i use for gb10 is Lushen, Fran, Loren, Vero, Sig with average 1.50 time...

both of these teams are not good honestly

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u should not use lushen in gb10

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when u cant one shot waves

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and i dont think u can

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 3:06 PM

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what would u suggets instead of him? if u gonna say kro, i tried that of course, and its slower rn

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:06 PM

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Galleon veromos sig and kro are all valid

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i just dont like laika here

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i feel like

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it should be fine but u could use something else instead which is better for other stages of the game too

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so u dont waste ressources on laika rn

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 3:07 PM

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faint ether i just dont like laika here

it says laika on theorycrafting, thats the only reason i will try. so is it not good?

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:07 PM

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honest nimbus what would u suggets instead of him? if u gonna say kro, i tried that of course,...

is ur kro 2aed and have runes compared to ur lushen?

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?gb10

velvet pantherBOT Jul 8, 2023, 3:07 PM

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Order the GB10 team is upgraded

Sigmarus Veromos Fran Loren Shannon
Sigmarus Veromos Fran Loren Kro(2A)

=New players see ?justdoit =
=Returning players See below stats=

Sigmarus - SPD/CD/[HP/ATT], 85% CR, 80k ehp, 140+ spd, [att/hp/def] artifacts depending on needs
Fran - SPD/HP/HP, 130k ehp, 180+ spd, 2 def artifacts
Loren - SPD/HP/HP, 130k ehp, 200+ spd, 2 def artifacts
Shannon - SPD/HP/[HP/DEF], 180+ spd, 60k ehp
Veromos - SPD/HP/HP, 180+ spd, 100k ehp
Kro(2A) - ATT/CD/ATT, 85% CR, 140 spd and moving after Sig, 80K ehp, [att/hp/def] artifacts depending on needs

Set boss focus: ?bossfocus
Acc makes runs more consistent, aim for 54% on all supports (loren,fran,Veromos ,shannon)
Turn order loren > Fran/Veromos/shannon > sig > kro(2A)
Vero and shannon can stay 5★ for now

STEPS TO IMPROVING GB10 (TEAM #2 AND BELOW) - spds are in combat spd

Must reach near average time of current team before moving to the next one
Vero can be moved to a bruiser build

SPD/CD/[HP/ATT], 80k ehp but tankier is safer, 85% CR, 180+ spd, [hp/def/att] artifacts depending on need
6★ Vero and devilmon

Improving Sig to his ?toa build along with reaching the same stats as above
Getting kro to or close to 169 (with max spd totem, only needs 45 spd from runes to hit 169 combat spd)

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 3:08 PM

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its 2a'd. let me show them

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:08 PM

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the second team here should be good honestly

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and faster

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 3:10 PM

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both of their sets are fatal, blade. and both of them atk / cd / atk

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:10 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1114776039311286383.webp?size=64

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 3:10 PM

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i am working on kro. i do actually farm giants a lot. its just realllly slow to get a single 5* monster to 6* by farming only giants

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:11 PM

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okay so

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ur kro is missing alot of speed

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ur lushen too ( u should really not use lushen)

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ur kro is missing ehp

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 3:11 PM

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rune quality is terrible on gb10, so i just wanna farm higher floors which is why all of this effort. so my final goal is to be able to farm giants at the end

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:12 PM

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gb10 rune quality is not terrible

fresh sluice Jul 8, 2023, 3:12 PM

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gb10 is ok we've been farming it for quite a while, abyss just came out lol

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:12 PM

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thats literally what everyone farmed before reloaded

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before reloaded it was the best

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 3:12 PM

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i actually know all of the requiriments stats, i checked them million times. but this is the fastest and the most stable team i can currently afford

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:13 PM

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i feel like when thats the best u can do

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 3:13 PM

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faint ether before reloaded it was the best

i know, but at the end gbah heroic rune rates is a lot higher isnt it? hence worth to get there

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:13 PM

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ur rune knowledge is not great and u should read our rune guide, u probably sell alot of usable runes

fresh sluice Jul 8, 2023, 3:13 PM

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just improve kro and try it, play around with the runes while swapping is free
Lushen shouldnt be used unless he both moves FIRST and One Shots the wave

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:13 PM

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yes ofc gbah is way better

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but gb10 should allow u to upgrade ur stuff really fast

fresh sluice Jul 8, 2023, 3:14 PM

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gbah rune quality requirement is more than twice of gb10 so u wont get there without farming a lot of gb10 first

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:14 PM

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i think thats wrong @fresh sluice

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pretty sure there is a way to get there really quickly

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 3:14 PM

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fresh sluice just improve kro and try it, play around with the runes while swapping is free L...

like i said i read everyhing a million times, and tried multiple teams, and thats the best team i currently have with the runes i have. if u dont believe me i dont know what to do 🙂

fresh sluice Jul 8, 2023, 3:15 PM

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faint ether pretty sure there is a way to get there really quickly

prolly with a safe and slow team but idk new player stuff, advisors gotta mke the guide first

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on my alt acc i just farm gb10

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:16 PM

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anyway this thread got off topic, when u wanna keep using that team i wont stop u

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 3:16 PM

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but i play the game around like 1.5 months, so when i said i farm giants a lot, that might be created confusion.

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returned the game after 6-7 years, account was lvl 25 with basically nothing

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also wasted a lot until i found out this discordf

faint ether Jul 8, 2023, 3:17 PM

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pretty sure u can get better runes then this in some days of farming giants

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just rune knowledge diff probably

fresh sluice Jul 8, 2023, 3:17 PM

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^

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read the runes guide itll help a lot

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 5:36 PM

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honest nimbus So as a player still in progression(working on a stable gban team) the question ...

i am about finish 100 x Faimon(Normal) run and i found inugami. Also after selling the runes u get average 25k-30k per 10 run. Unknown scrolls ,energy and crystals gains are consistent with the data from swarfarm.

honest nimbus Jul 8, 2023, 6:15 PM

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faint ether Sure i dont know the math if its optimal for purely evolving stuff, but u will a...

in case u want to know the math, according to swarfarm data. u need to do 1500 GB10 run to get 600 x 1* worth food monsters which cost u 10.8k energy.

#Faimon Volcano HARD over HELL?