Because I don’t own moore so I only really know my own responses
#jx rta help thread
bronze falcon
bronze falcon
Zoomer stuff, sekh Jamire and then whatever the second guy is doing
Btw context
Is that a rev verde
Or vio
lunar fiber
this is a swift verde
bronze falcon
I see
lunar fiber
i have a rev verde and vio verde as well
bronze falcon
Yeah hence why I ask
lunar fiber
but if i draft verde early its my swift verde
i just dont know who to put my swift sets on
lunar fiber
my best dmg one is on sonia but man.. really feels like random people are building high def stuff and im getting trapped
no olie no zibala
those are the only 2 meta ones im missing
bronze falcon
my best dmg one is on sonia but man.. really feels like random people are buildi...
Yeah this is my big concern with Sonia
About half my draft incidentals traps her
lunar fiber
i ran swift ethna earlier this season, switched to vio like the vio much better
bronze falcon
Just bc def main artis
lunar fiber
i currently have one of my better swift sets on sekh but like we discussed
i hate her and she's not good for my draft anyway
i have another decent set on chiwu
chiwu is ok but when im alreayd drafting moore + dark kass i dont need chiwu as a spd lead that often
bronze falcon
Yeah just on the surface, you’re not playing the units sekh wants to have with her
@molten root you’re a moore owner, what’s the speed threat breakdown
lunar fiber
so... who should i put swifts on
any other spd leads i should consider drafting more?
bronze falcon
I see eshir is commonly used
lunar fiber
maybe eshir?
yea was going to say
eshir would work well with my dark kass
he also has dmg
bronze falcon
Yeah just thinking bc I’m not a moore player so I’m not super familiar but
Moore should smooth a lot of issues
Yeah the kass
But also amps your damage a good bit
Hmm. You’re in vio ethna so your speed threat options are kinda strange but
lunar fiber
i really liked the draft the 3rd guy did against me with taor tesa lol but i think i dont have the rune quality and random high base spd LDs to pull it off
i want to use monsters like taor
bronze falcon
Yeah Jamire sekh is really cool if you have the same right lds
Bc aside from incidentally hosing Veronica and co
You’re also just having two really good setup units
But, kass Jamire is kinda awkward
You typically want less explosive nuke in favor of more consistent damage that can’t be reset/can cycle back to it fast
Yeah you’re gonna need Vince for this one, moore is just too foreign to me
I feel like valantis means the
Jamire Shizuka lines are interesting
Because valantis + sekhmet can absolutely ruin teams
While also making it really hard to take first turn due to the sekh/valantis pairing
ruby geode
in the first match, robo and kass look really exposed against the high base units if haegang is banned
I'd have liked some fire unit like masha or karnal there as a middle pick
second match, I'd say you can justify a middle pick leo vs tablo masha, but if not then definitely as a last pick because there's even a miles at that point (you even gain the leo verde synergy, besides hard countering the opponent's spd scaling units)
third match I'd plan to ban last pick and consider which two units can beat the first 4, and honestly I think slamming down veromos josephine or maybe racuni and focusing tesa wins that (he can't oblivion 4 units especially when getting stunned and he needs to oblivion vero/racuni first)
lunar fiber
how do you beat this neph tiana riley kinki thing
ruby geode
not sure where these pop up from but I usually sekhmet vero them, haven't lost to those in a while now with that
it suddenly gained popularity to play neph riley
lunar fiber
ok sample draft, they fp neph. then what do you do
bronze falcon
ok sample draft, they fp neph. then what do you do
Personally
i snap respond oli sekh
these guys typically dont bring a lot of strip
as a lot of them are angling to try and take something to the effect of
nepth tiana riley verde +1
so stuff like woosa can be good
additionally, if youre on first pick
and they take nepth tiana
verde is really good into them
as i see it
fp nepth means one of two things;
tiana riley, which you can just use speed lead sekh to forcefully break up their open
or theyre playing some full ld comp, where you cannot let them get going
ruby geode
for me it's moore sekh into fp neph
lunar fiber
we already decided sekh is not for me
we already know i dont have oli
we already know i pick verde early all the time
bronze falcon
yeah just explaining my overall thought process
the thing is
sekh is unique into these guys
because aside from s3
s2's debuff suite is really good into these guys
but ifyoure going like that instead
moore verde -> tiana riley
youre 1:1 racing verde to their tiana as shown
lunar fiber
i will lose that race so i have to ban neph or tiana
bronze falcon
yeah
youre not very fast
although
afaik all of these guys are using a damage tiana
so theyre not super fast either
im not totally sure on the valantis pick there
kass is fine, but valantis into one of the few strippers who doesnt care about his existence basically locks you into banning out nepth tiana
which means they can just bully you like they did with the juno
ruby geode
it might be weird sounding but I don't think I ever lost to them when I used vero, you have him as a safety net vs neph if sekh is banned and mine is 82% acc after s2 artis so can stun kinki or pushback mhw (and he keeps cleansing kinki/mhw def break)
lunar fiber
what's your vero build
lunar fiber
oh sort of similar to mine except i dont get any atk just more tankiness
ruby geode
you can argue against the max res, so far I like it but some people want more hp
bronze falcon
thats basically mine but i drop res for like 6k more hp
lunar fiber
ruby geode
I considered gemming out the atk for like flat hp but realized his damage is pretty good on defbreaks with s1 too
bronze falcon
yeah
vero can run away with matches vs these guys
ive had games where it goes smth like
vero self cleanses silence
s2
passive gives him full atb
s1
passive gives full atb a second time
and theyre just kinda screwed
because all the debuffs are gone, their stuff is stunned and your stuff is mostly healed
ruby geode
I realized that, with this many units on max res in the meta (oli racuni shizuka and sometimes miles) having high acc on vero and karnal is actually kinda nice
lilac thorn
Personally
I like res Vero with +900 atk don’t remember if I brought it into you though. Currently 40% pr and 62% wr with it
But it prevents Camilla and fire monkey and bad tesas from being troubling
molten root
I like max res vero
onyx swift
i saw some people running triple nem, is vio better? 
molten root
Chance to proc out of stuns is important, also vio imo is just way more useful with procs to cycle s2s
Also I dont play water ryu anymore
molten root
I like res Vero with +900 atk don’t remember if I brought it into you though. Cu...
Theres no reason to focus atk on veromos, s1 scales with speed s2 scales with their max hp,
Res is important this meta bc theres so much impact units going arnd with low acc like masha fire monke camilla etc
lunar fiber
i'm having a bit of trouble against fire kass
usually its with the old shizuka leo rag etc kind of team
ruby geode
hmm do you own her yourself? I forgot
that last game I'd middle pick fire kass vs that leo
both of those units could swallow that shit up
lunar fiber
i do own her myself and she's pretty high on my devil priority list
but don't have her available just yet
oh i guess to give you outcome of the jose cami raki devil question from a few weeks ago
i deviled cami. she's pretty cool im happy with her
and 2nd place is raki actually. currently working on her (siege has a factor in this, this isn't purely rta. but i realized benedict sucks ass and i want another real option to use vs julianne and possibly this fire kass too)
next will be jose or fire kass
bronze falcon
My advice vs Leo drafters
/people who play like the first guy
Is to have dedicated tech for it
Sagar, taranys, whatever
lunar fiber
Is to have dedicated tech for it
yes i've asked this several times in this thread specifically
i've built or considered anything suggested already. mostly laika and other fire dds
you'll have to convince me how sagar or taranys would work though
i will never hesitate to build 10 random monsters that only counter 1 thing in 1 specific situation
that is really my only advantage that i have and i am more than happy to use it
i just dont know what to build. not sure how to use sagar or taranys into these fire heavy drafts
bronze falcon
you'll have to convince me how sagar or taranys would work though
Sagar resets stuff without having to worry about nem sets
In a similar vein to sekh
Taranys is more so for the Leo Viva Shizuka players
bronze falcon
I haven’t seen either of those cores in quite some time tbh
I’m farming conq rn so
I’d have to check my message history
But it’s pretty effective
lunar fiber
also while this is helpful convo it is kinda sidetracked
i'm more interested in dealing with fire kass and while she's drafted with leo a lot, she's not always with leo
lunar fiber
so is this a normal sagar or is this a no spd sagar
bronze falcon
Normal
lunar fiber
vio/will?
bronze falcon
Yea
Rev/nem are cool but will is my preference
Something to consider with fire kass is cp isn’t really that good into her afaik because he can’t reliably reset the fire unit
lunar fiber
well yes that's the whole point of this question, what to draft instead of the 3/4 i did
obviously it wasn't good
i already thought resetting the fire kass would be one of the better ways to deal with it
hence the sekh picks
but it's not working
your advice is to use sagar, like instead of sekh? or draft both sekh and sagar for stacking multiple resets?
bronze falcon
your advice is to use sagar, like instead of sekh? or draft both sekh and sagar ...
Both
I’m not totally sure if the line, but sagar over cp is generally good
Gany is also cool into Federica type units in general but idk if you have the setup I’d use
lunar fiber
Sure just give me that dark pudding and I’ll use gany too
bronze falcon
Sure just give me that dark pudding and I’ll use gany too
Was actually thinking more of Vanessa Praha/Shizuka/abellio gany +2
But yeah that too
quasi nymph
i always draft oli sekhmet against shizuka first picker
double reset, spd lead, and high spd unit to contest turn 1 incase they pick visachel
lunar fiber
check pin/read history a bit please or at least the topic at hand
i don't have oli and the question isn't what to draft into shizuka fp. that's already been discussed a ton
quasi nymph
ok sorry jx
imo in first match nana is pretty good as 4th pick instead of cheongpung
chow probably also good as justice goes through invincibility
lunar fiber
chow probably also good as justice goes through invincibility
you can just stop trying to give advice now if you have no idea what you're talking about
compact eagle
In that same slot would a Vanessa nana or traina do the job?
onyx swift
In that same slot would a Vanessa nana or traina do the job?
Taranys has 2 lives
bronze falcon
In that same slot would a Vanessa nana or traina do the job?
Not really
One, as yakuza said, taranys can’t really be killed
Two, taranys hits like a truck
An unchecked taranys can legit 1v2 stuff like ragleo
bronze falcon
Lmao
lunar fiber
today's question... slot 4 cr vs cd for bruisers? the main ones i'm working with/questioning are camilla vanessa and tesa. i guess there's masha and mhw too but i'm pretty sure i want them on cd
ruby geode
usually camilla is cd, vanessa tesa cr
lunar fiber
i currently have vanessa on cr and tuned to go before most my team, but camilla and tesa on slower cd builds
lunar fiber
yea i'm wondering if i should try to get tesa and camilla on faster cr builds
there's also the rune economy thing where the more monsters i rune on that ideal faster cr build the worse they will be
tesa probably makes the most sense since he scales with spd anyway
although im really liking the camilla pick a lot recently
and wondering how i can make her better
i honestly haven't even looked much at other people's camillas, are they similar to mine?
ruby geode
yeah camilla looks pretty standard
maybe you can get away with cd tesa if you just use him to outbruiser passives
lunar fiber
generally when i pick these kinds of drafts speed tuning/turn order isn't much of an issue, with the exception of it would be nice to have tesa go in front of shizuka
ruby geode
I have him faster on cr but I need him tuned to tomoe
lunar fiber
hmm i may try faster tesa, maybe even steal some of vanessa's runes. i don't really pick her as much as i used to
bronze falcon
yeah i really
really
like cr tesa
bc you can tune shit properly without breaking your account
lunar fiber
yea the more i think about this the more i dont know why i haven't done cr tesa
bronze falcon
and having high acc
lunar fiber
like even outside of rta i'm trying to convince more people to use cr instead of cd
bronze falcon
if you want you can have two
lunar fiber
this may be a case of i'm just lazy of changing old builds
bronze falcon
but imo the cr build is just better
lunar fiber
plus tesa is op and any half decent build will appear to "work" already
bronze falcon
ye
the difference between cd and cr
is cd sometimes just oneshots things
cami looks good, are you on s3 recovery or s2 acc
lunar fiber
recov
bronze falcon
how are you picking her usually
lunar fiber
hmm that made me look i may try to at least get acc gemmed in
lunar fiber
yes that is true
lunar fiber
but yea i do end up with her into miles a lot
i'm always looking for damage against juno/racuni/miles/suiki/mhw kind of things
speaking of which i wanted to try suiki myself too, is he normally spd/atk/hp vio/rev 100 res?
bronze falcon
speaking of which i wanted to try suiki myself too, is he normally spd/atk/hp vi...
ye
i have him on basically a kinki set
so like +125
lunar fiber
ic
bronze falcon
i personally run -water/s1 acc
but i think most ppl prefer additionals
*-water for miles, s1 acc bc res on those comps is fairly common
lunar fiber
i mostly use her for spd lead and to protect stuff like ethna dark kass
uneven helm
hmm isee
lunar fiber
i do agree though in general i think more acc on anything that has a debuff is pretty important
people are building res on more and more stuff now
how much acc do you think masha should have
uneven helm
i personally run a ~50 acc masha
uneven helm
26 runes 21 arti
uneven helm
coz i mostly use it to kill rat or oliver and those are always always 100res
uneven helm
but 85 acc eats too much away at the other stats
and i usually still have a giou to atleast dbreak the oliver
its my gotoanswer vs oliver first picks, just masha giou
and they get confused
bronze falcon
any updates
lunar fiber
rta is too hard
lunar fiber
i think i can get g2 but that's nothing new, and g3 is pretty far away
bronze falcon
i think i can get g2 but that's nothing new, and g3 is pretty far away
Ok hear me out Vanessa fp
willow sail
We are rooting for you, to participate in the next SWC.
lunar fiber
Ok hear me out Vanessa fp
And then?
bronze falcon
And then?
There’s a couple basic lines I’ve explored with this
Vanessa -> Praha/Sagar
Vanessa-> Praha/Gany
Vanessa-> Gany/Abellio
Vanessa-> Gany/Hathor
Leveraging units like ethna, and uh
You don’t have any lds like Bella/narsha/Han/Julianne right
To fill the weird opens
lunar fiber
Nope
bronze falcon
Hmm
lunar fiber
I did a lot of Vanessa ethna early season
lunar fiber
Yea I see that played against me quite often
bronze falcon
Obviously you can use nessa ethna to force contest stuff, but the addition of sagar and Gany allows you to mop up a lot of turn 2 stuff
There’s also the boring
Nessa cami lines
But we don’t talk about those
lilac thorn
i think i can get g2 but that's nothing new, and g3 is pretty far away
yeah this meta is way too hard if you don't have meta LDs
lilac thorn
gotta wait for oliver in ss
lunar fiber
I literally spent 50k+ ss on Oliver already
lilac thorn
I definitely think you have the runes though
lilac thorn
you just need to fix the other two issues
lunar fiber
I can rune a lot of different things decently well
I’m not
It would be below avg rune quality
bronze falcon
jx arent your runes actually respectable
lilac thorn
if you're above +180 for cores that essentially allows you access to g3
lunar fiber
if you're above +180 for cores that essentially allows you access to g3
I’m not
My core is around +170
I can rune like 2 monsters on +180 if i broke everything
lilac thorn
are they high eff though
upbeat moatBOT
After filtering out fodder and incomplete runed monsters, I have nothing to show. Awkward.
bronze falcon
lunar fiber
<:Hmmmm:624422574709014538> jx arent your runes actually respectable
I have like 1 super good swift dd set and everything else is meh or worse than meh compared to others at this level
bronze falcon
nobody let jx see my account then
lunar fiber
Not saying my runes are awful but it’s just not an advantage I have
bronze falcon
but anyways
one of the things i think you have an edge on is you in theory should be able to do my strat
and just have an entire box of pivots runed
lunar fiber
Yes that’s what I’m trying to do
bronze falcon
what are you losing to?
lunar fiber
The 40 monsters they give you for rta favorites is not even close to enough for me
There’s nothing in particular I’m losing to a lot anymore which is good I guess
I dunno here are my last few losses
bronze falcon
hmmm
lunar fiber
I banned Vanessa
bronze falcon
maybe im a hater but
i feel like some of these are just them punishing you for playing moore
but i digress
anyways
bottom right, im not sure about your 3/4
bc as is youre basically allowing a whole lot of annoying lds to exist
lunar fiber
I know Moore is a weak point here but without him I struggle into t1 stuff
I’d rather deal with the Moore counters than fight t1 with no Moore
bronze falcon
hmm fair
for me, moore seems like the unit id want in the 3/4 slot
but i also have arta who smoothes edges vs moore
like looking at top right
lunar fiber
I think all of these were pretty close anyway and could have gone either way with a proc
bronze falcon
ye
lunar fiber
Except too right
lunar fiber
Top right I got hard fucked, double robo is not the play
lilac thorn
You should’ve gone dark robo first
bronze falcon
^
lilac thorn
Instead of wind
bronze falcon
imo
lunar fiber
my dark robo is despair and wind is swift
bronze falcon
unless wind robo is a force ban
lunar fiber
is that still ok?
bronze falcon
you go dark first
lilac thorn
Ye
bronze falcon
bc wind is much easier to punish
lunar fiber
hmm interesting
lilac thorn
Dark robo you can escape easily from a punish
lunar fiber
most dark robos i see i think are swift too
bronze falcon
i run despair personally
but
the main thing is
wind robo is pretty easy to punish
lilac thorn
Wind robo is all or nothing essentially
lunar fiber
i see
bronze falcon
if they respond by
lunar fiber
i'll try drafting dark robo more instead of wind
bronze falcon
fucking with robos ability to perform
hes absolutely useless
dark robo has it rough as well
but he can recover
way easier than wind
who gets walled by just fire units
bc at least dark can fully cycle
but if theres a single fire unit
wind robos ability to s2-3
is drastically lowered