Returning Player trying to get into the game....again | Summoners War | Page 1

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 4:23 AM

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I have been kinda played SW on and off for some time now, not really doing much cause I haven't made a lot of progress and it was a real turn off for me cause the cool part of SW to me was being able to pit your own monsters against other people...but of course that was way way far off into the future. Of course 7-8 years later, ive come back and would like some tips and advice on what i should be doing rn and what monsters would be most affective to do so. I made a Dot team based on what ive seen from other people and its about 90%+ successful Id say, but I haven't really touched Dragons and Necro even though I really would like Rage and Violent Runes. Farthest I got in TOA was Level 70 and after being stuck there I haven't really been working on it.

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Ah correction on the GB10 part. I meant GB12 team was a Dot team and it was actually like 70% successful give or take. Sometimes it did 10 runs successfuly and sometimes it did like 2 runs and died.

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 5:46 AM

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I’d say especially with the new abyssal dungeons, it’s not worth continuing the Dot team at all, and you should focus on the standard GB10 team instead

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?justdoit

silent obsidianBOT Jul 4, 2023, 5:47 AM

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wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 5:47 AM

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Well ive been looking at some resources and videos and talking with some people and they've come to the conclusion that if I'm struggling to do Abyssal rn, its more efficient and rewarding to do the GB10 dungeon

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And my current Dot team seems to be close to 100% in completion

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 5:47 AM

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Yeah

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I’d focus on giant, until you can beat the water beast

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 5:48 AM

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Why Water Beast exactly?

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 5:48 AM

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The dot teams works but the main issue with it is that no one else on the team is really useful other places so it’s kindof a waste of resources

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 5:48 AM

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Ive never fought it so idk what it gives

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 5:48 AM

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Water beast because you need to get determination runes for tricaru

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Tricaru is the best for breaking out of the early game slog

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 5:49 AM

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Sigh...Tricaru is really that important huh

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Though i guess ive been stuck Early game for 6+ Years so i guess

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 5:50 AM

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It beats dragons, necro and PB 10

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For 4 of the same monsters

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 5:50 AM

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PB?

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 5:50 AM

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Punishers Crypt

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 5:50 AM

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oh

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So i guess i gotta scrap my Dot team and start over I suppose?

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 5:50 AM

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So it’s really nice to not have to sink runes into 5 monsters x 4 dungeons

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I wouldn’t start over!

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If you have a team that can consistently clear GB10, no reason to start over. Just build this team!

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?Rift-water

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Wait

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?water-rift

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I never remember the command lol

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 5:51 AM

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cough

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fair enough

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Ah so this also means i need 3 Water Inugamis and I need to Second awaken them

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So i need 2a farming teams for that

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Man I wish I had done this when i started.

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?rift-water

silent obsidianBOT Jul 4, 2023, 5:54 AM

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WATER BEAST

Boss Mechanic: reduces your HP, this effect is undone by boosting ATB/Gaining turns

Frontline/Backline
The damage isn't reduced by the amount of frontliners that you have, so run 2 FL, 4 BL.

Team Suggestion without water twins
Front Line: Fran/Mav
Back Line: Kro(2A) + ling ling + Verd(1) + 1 damage dealer

Team Suggestion with water twins
Front Line: Fran & Mav
Back Line: Sabrina + Talia + Kro(2A) + Hraes/Lingling

Leaderskills
Lushen (Attack%) and Talia (Crit Rate)

Damage Dealers
__Ideal:__Sabrina & Talia, Hraesvelg, Ling ling, Iunu

Usable Elsewhere: Melissa & Sabrina,
Theomars, Lushen, Fuco, Orochi, Susano

Not Ideal: Ardella

Alternatives to Water twins,
Replace with Ling ling, Verde and 1 other Damage dealer above.
-- (1) Verde is only used if one doesnt have hraes or water twins on the team
Melissa can be paired with Sabrina but will do less damage than Sabrina + Talia

Use ?riftstats in #bot-commands, if you want help knowing how to build these units.

Confused by a listed name? use /monster name:Monster to find the normal name.

Team can vary based on your monster box. If you have questions about monsters you could use, share your monster box in #1047269577614164098

Note
All of these listed monsters, have uses in other parts of the game which is why they're being recommended.

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 5:55 AM

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wheat sail Ah so this also means i need 3 Water Inugamis and I need to Second awaken them

Yes. You can farm them from the first scenario

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 5:55 AM

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Hmm Well I do have Water twins

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I dont have Ling or Hraesvelg though i could get one from the event

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What do you suggest? Should I get a Wind Barbarian then?

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Of course its gonna take a long time to level him up to 6*

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I guess not really since i can farm with Lapis

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 5:58 AM

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I suppose. You can use vero, fran, Loren

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For a dhole team

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 5:58 AM

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wheat sail So i need 2a farming teams for that

(Meant to reply to this)

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 5:58 AM

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I don't wanna get sidetracked though. If the suggested next step for me is Water Beast, I wanna stick to that

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Or i guess the real next step is get Tricaru

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by doing Water Beast

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 5:59 AM

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It shouldn’t take long to get hrae to 6* but

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Do you have any 2a mons?

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 5:59 AM

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The only mons i have 2a are Kro, Raoq, Sath, Tatu, and Spectra

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 5:59 AM

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Cause you need kro 2A for water beast

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And if you can 2a kro, you can 2a icaru

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 6:00 AM

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fair point

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 6:00 AM

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Yeah just use your kro team

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 6:00 AM

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Uh...Kro team?

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Oh like the old GB10 team

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 6:00 AM

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Idk how did you 2a kro?

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 6:00 AM

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using Kro

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I think it was Sig, Fran/Loren, Vero, and Kro?

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 6:00 AM

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You had to have a team that could clear what? B3? B4B

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Well you can’t bring sig

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Or vero

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But Loren, fran, both are good

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 6:01 AM

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They don't have the best runes though

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 6:01 AM

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Do you have verde?

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 6:01 AM

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Uh yea he's 6*

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i woulnt say he has stellar runes either but hes 100 CR

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 6:02 AM

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I mean

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That’s the most important part lol

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 6:02 AM

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Is there an easy way to show my runes?

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do i have to setup anything?

stray vessel Jul 4, 2023, 6:02 AM

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shut creek Water beast because you need to get determination runes for tricaru

No, water beast hasnt determination runes now

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 6:07 AM

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Oh so then how do I get them? Where are they now?

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 6:11 AM

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WAIT THEY CHANGED IT?

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Still drops blue crystals tho yeah?

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 6:11 AM

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oh Its in Spiritual Realm now i think

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 6:11 AM

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You can still them from the spirit realm

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 6:11 AM

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based on the help tab

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can my dot team farm that?

shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 6:32 AM

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No lol

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 8:16 AM

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Do you suggest I still farm this Dungeon? Even though its not Water Beast

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@shut creek @stray vessel

stray vessel Jul 4, 2023, 8:23 AM

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just farm giants now

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?reloaded

silent obsidianBOT Jul 4, 2023, 8:23 AM

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Because of the new update, it will take us time to see what the optimal progression path looks like. Please bear with us - right now we need time to figure out what optimal advice is for account related progression.

stray vessel Jul 4, 2023, 8:24 AM

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?gb10

silent obsidianBOT Jul 4, 2023, 8:24 AM

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Order the GB10 team is upgraded

Sigmarus Veromos Fran Loren Shannon
Sigmarus Veromos Fran Loren Kro(2A)

=New players see ?justdoit =
=Returning players See below stats=

Sigmarus - SPD/CD/[HP/ATT], 85% CR, 80k ehp, 140+ spd, [att/hp/def] artifacts depending on needs
Fran - SPD/HP/HP, 130k ehp, 180+ spd, 2 def artifacts
Loren - SPD/HP/HP, 130k ehp, 200+ spd, 2 def artifacts
Shannon - SPD/HP/[HP/DEF], 180+ spd, 60k ehp
Veromos - SPD/HP/HP, 180+ spd, 100k ehp
Kro(2A) - ATT/CD/ATT, 85% CR, 140 spd and moving after Sig, 80K ehp, [att/hp/def] artifacts depending on needs

Set boss focus: ?bossfocus
Acc makes runs more consistent, aim for 54% on all supports (loren,fran,Veromos ,shannon)
Turn order loren > Fran/Veromos/shannon > sig > kro(2A)
Vero and shannon can stay 5★ for now

STEPS TO IMPROVING GB10 (TEAM #2 AND BELOW) - spds are in combat spd

Must reach near average time of current team before moving to the next one
Vero can be moved to a bruiser build

SPD/CD/[HP/ATT], 80k ehp but tankier is safer, 85% CR, 180+ spd, [hp/def/att] artifacts depending on need
6★ Vero and devilmon

Improving Sig to his ?toa build along with reaching the same stats as above
Getting kro to or close to 169 (with max spd totem, only needs 45 spd from runes to hit 169 combat spd)

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 8:24 AM

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So I assume I should replace my Dot team with this?

stray vessel Jul 4, 2023, 8:33 AM

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wheat sail So I assume I should replace my Dot team with this?

if you havent fails i think no, teams in command unlikely will be faster

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 8:33 AM

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Yea i haven't failed yet. Before when we had GB12 It would fail a few times but GB10 is whole lot easier

twilit lotus Jul 4, 2023, 8:47 AM

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shut creek Water beast because you need to get determination runes for tricaru

Does it still? I thought they now give only gems

elder stone Jul 4, 2023, 9:21 AM

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twilit lotus Does it still? I thought they now give only gems

Water Beast no longer gives DetRunes and you can’t fuse them with rift mats either. For you to get Det Runes you have to beat the new Spiritual Realm dungeon. Which you need a fire team for cause of the crit mechanic.

elder stone Jul 4, 2023, 9:24 AM

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wheat sail So I assume I should replace my Dot team with this?

You basically want (so far) monsters that do DMG based on Enemy Max HP, Veromos, Akamahmir, Signarus, etc.

Same with new dragon, you can overlap Veromos, people are also using Lyn (light Amazon), I saw someone using Marble (Light Elephant, but for giants you can start with the team above.

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There’s an argument to be made about beating one over the other bc of the Boss Max HP thing, for ex, I can’t auto Db10 at all, but I can auto Abyss Dragon easily cause of using units that deal dmg. From max hp. Do whatever works for you, I still use dot team on db10.

faint badge Jul 4, 2023, 2:34 PM

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wheat sail Yea i haven't failed yet. Before when we had GB12 It would fail a few times but ...

at the time being sit tight and farm gb10 and makes sure you clear toan/h till progression gets sorted out for how to progress after that

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?progression

silent obsidianBOT Jul 4, 2023, 2:34 PM

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-** Scenarios > GB10 > ToaN100 > ToaH100**

Check ?stayingiants
Do Not Focus on below if it wasnt finished before RELOADED update
Bj5, Lumel b5, Rift Beasts, SF10, PC10
If you are just starting the game see ?beginner
READ THIS, ?progressionexplained gives a more in-depth explanation of the above progression
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wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 6:17 PM

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?toa

silent obsidianBOT Jul 4, 2023, 6:17 PM

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# Trial of Ascension (Normal & Hard) GUIDE
Additional commands
Floor 100 bosses (?toafemale and ?toamale )
?arta ?akroma

First ToaN (normal) team will consists of your GB12 team according to ?justdoit which is Veromos, Fran, Shannon ( ** DO NOT 6 Star ** ), Sigmarus and either Lapis or Loren
ToaH (hard) will be a combination of Fran, Mav (wind penguin), Shannon, +2 of these units below depending on floor
Sig, Vero, Melia, Loren, Verde
[Mav] - Violent-Swift/Any, (SPD-HP)/HP/HP, Def Artifacts (when 6☆), and 180 SPD, 45% Acc
[Mellia] - Despair-Swift/Any, (SPD-HP)/HP/HP, can stay 5☆
[Sigmarus][1] - Swift/Any, SPD/CD/[HP/ATT], moving before Mav, 20-30 acc, 85% CR, HP/ATT artifacts depending on runes and still meeting GB12 requirements
[Veromos, Loren, Fran, Shannon, and Verde] runed as they are for their other content
[1]: Sig is eventually switched from the beginner runes to these requirements to start speeding up ToaH floors and GB12 team.

Additional Info

If you are not sure of what a monster does, don't be afraid to read the monsters skills or ask for clarification on what they do
Sigmarus, Veromos and Mellia do not need skillups, everyone else should be skilled up.
Support mon ideally have no more than 20% CR for anti-crit stages
45% Accuracy is recommended for every support unit that have debuffs.
Turn order will vary but in a nutshell the slowest mon on the team should be mav (being 180 spd) and everyone else moving before he does. Sig's spd will be slow at first but then later will want to be made faster than mav as well.

wheat sail Jul 4, 2023, 6:22 PM

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?justdoit

silent obsidianBOT Jul 4, 2023, 6:22 PM

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shut creek Jul 4, 2023, 10:12 PM

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twilit lotus Does it still? I thought they now give only gems

That was my bad cause the reloaded update

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 12:47 AM

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At what point do you guys think I can or should ever consider doing RTA or something of the like

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Ik in my current state i shouldn't think about it, but i just wanna know how far RTA is from my current point

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 12:58 AM

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seriously: not till after your finished with all pve content (?progression)

for fun: can use the monsters they give you for free and things you have already made for
?progression but not build anything specifically for rta

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:02 AM

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So essentially RTA is for people who have "beaten the game" so to speak

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:03 AM

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bad way to put it, more like

people who finished the tutorial

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:04 AM

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Oh you mean like finishing all of the missions in the progression area

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Well in any case I guess i can't really say anything when i haven't made Tricaru yet

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:05 AM

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u dont make tricaru anymore

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:05 AM

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And its very annoying cause D hole energy regens slow

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huh?

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I was told by a couple others above to make Tricaru

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well to farm GB10 but also to work on Tricaru

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 1:06 AM

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com2us is trying to take tricaru out of the game a bit

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the new abyssal waves dont allow tricaru

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and theyre significantly better than b10 tbh

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at the start of the patch people thought they were about the same

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but when the data came ppl changed their minds

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:06 AM

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How much better is it now?

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I was told it wasnt even worth before

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:06 AM

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by people who dont understand the game

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:07 AM

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Uh i saw a few videos though explaining before the patch why it wasnt worht though

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 1:07 AM

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faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:07 AM

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?youtuber

silent obsidianBOT Jul 9, 2023, 1:07 AM

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We recommend asking for assistance in #1047269577614164098 and utilizing the collection of command guides pinned in #bot-commands.

Any off-meta teams belong in #off-meta-fun and any questions/suggestions can posted in #1047269577614164098.

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:08 AM

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I mean he was going over like actual Swarfarm stats

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not like JEwbagel or something

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 1:08 AM

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its reducing the amount of blue runes by about 1/3

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:08 AM

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i know who your talking about

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and he's an idiot

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 1:08 AM

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so 1/3 of ur old insta-sells are now worth considering

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:08 AM

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I just don't know his name

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ok calling him an idiot seems kinda wrong though

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:08 AM

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its not

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 1:08 AM

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well he has asshole in his name so

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:08 AM

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wait huh

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 1:08 AM

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par for the course

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:09 AM

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lemme find his name

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 1:09 AM

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i meant @faint badge

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haha

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:09 AM

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oh

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you meant this guy

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:09 AM

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10% decrease in blue runes is quite a large number, to call it not worth

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:09 AM

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Ok but counterpoint, i said "before the patch"

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you just misread

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 1:09 AM

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like 55% -> 40%

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its like gigantic

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imagine going from 40k/yr to 55k/yr

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:09 AM

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oh not u, was talking about the "video" he watched

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:09 AM

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Thats why i asked what changed now

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 1:09 AM

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like a 50% raise

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oooo

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maybe in context it made sense

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maybe he said something along the lines of

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"its so much slower and costs so much more energy that as an early game player id stay in gb10 for a looooooooong time"

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but its still a goal to aspire towards

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and definitely will help progression tremendously

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like i said 40k/yr to 55k/yr is huge

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almost a 50% salary raise

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:10 AM

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I mean he said atm if you are struggling in abyss floors

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just focus on farming GB10 until something changes

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:11 AM

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#1126866522460139530 read this

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 1:11 AM

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if you cant do them, definitely stay in gb10

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but you should still do them before pvp

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:11 AM

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Right. He's not an idiot for saying that

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:11 AM

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???

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 1:11 AM

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yea i think the word idiot just means more to you than it does to him

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dont fixate on it

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hes just a bully

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:12 AM

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Is it wise to have bullies educating people then...

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 1:12 AM

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he knows a lot!

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:12 AM

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oh his name was Seiishizo

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 1:12 AM

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LOL

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:12 AM

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i mean you can still know a lot and be awful to talk to

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 1:12 AM

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seiishizo is giga end game genius player

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:12 AM

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yes, like i said, he's an idiot

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 1:12 AM

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i wonder if he's changed his mind

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is he not like top 100 every szn?

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:12 AM

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now can we stay on topic

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:12 AM

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This...is the same topic

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And yea i haven't seen what he said lately

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:13 AM

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but there is no question being asked

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 1:13 AM

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i'll leave ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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sorry for bothering

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:13 AM

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But i was told by people here and by him that I should wait until the patch to farm abyss

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:13 AM

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yes, they were ill informed

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:13 AM

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How so

silent obsidianBOT Jul 9, 2023, 1:13 AM

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aceatall

[Message Link](#1125642899808321576 message) to #1125642899808321576
#1126866522460139530 read this

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:14 AM

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because they were giving out old advise, as the reloaded update hadnt been out for very long

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:14 AM

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Oh ok that makes sense

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Well damn I already made 1 1/2 2a Icarus

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that was a waste of time

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:15 AM

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more than likely you will still end up using 1 icaru down the line for some content, but spilt milk is spilt milk

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:16 AM

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Ok so is there any ideas on what i should do about making a Dragon's team?

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:16 AM

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just sit and farm giants

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:16 AM

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Cause no one has really informed me of anything besides make TRicaru

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ah ok well ok

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I still gotta get pieces together for DB floors no?

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:17 AM

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if u can do gban then do so, if consistent, if not gb10

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:17 AM

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gban?

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:17 AM

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abyssal normal

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:17 AM

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oh

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:18 AM

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no reason to farm dragons

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:18 AM

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Ok but what do I do about DB though? I just ignore dragons indefinitely?

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how long until i consider farming Dragons?

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:18 AM

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?stayingiants

silent obsidianBOT Jul 9, 2023, 1:18 AM

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WHEN YOU ARE STARTING, IT IS NOT A RUSH TO GET OUT OF GIANTS.
Most players have the ideology that they should go to start other dungeons RIGHT AWAY. This is not a good idea for a few reasons:

No time is wasted farming Giants. It is important to improve the runes on your account that specifically from Giants. End game players continue to farm Giants endlessly.
Throughout PvE, a lot of your bottlenecks will be tied to damage dealer sets. Farming giants is the best way to remedy this.
?pvesets - Violent/seal/etc runes are all not especially useful in PvE. When runing monsters for PvE, you are looking for stats first and sets second, with very few exceptions. Giants is very simple to get up and running, and you can work towards getting to Giants abyss hard as you improve your runes.

ALL TIME spent in giants is valuable. When you first start doing siege, you will need decent swift runes. These will allow you to run cleaves, securing easy wins and more resources through crystal income. Fatal/blade runes are also very important to cleaving. Rage is NOT significantly better than fatal. The difference is so small you may as well consider them the same set.

Additionally, since reloaded just came out, we do not currently have an optimal progression route developed past this, since everything is still being discovered and developed. If you want to play optimallly, then you are best off farming giants, working towards GBAH and improving your runes. Let the dungeon scientists do the hard work here. Tricaru was not developed over night, and neither will optimal dungeon teams. We will get them sorted as soon as possible.

In summary- go farm giants more. Don't rush. The very first run of giants you do could get you a rune that you use for the rest of your time playing the game. Learn more about what runes are valuable and roll your blues. There are good examples of this in ⁠Beginner Playthrough 2022. This will make your progression much smoother.

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:18 AM

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And that goes for Necro as Well

faint badge Jul 9, 2023, 1:19 AM

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above, till progression gets sorted out

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 1:19 AM

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Oh thats fair

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Aight Giants until death i suppose

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I guess getting to farm GBAH consistently is a monumental task by itself

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And Ive only ever been using my DOT team for a year or so

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I gotta kinda revert back to basics

hasty sundial Jul 9, 2023, 1:46 AM

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wheat sail Well damn I already made 1 1/2 2a Icarus

don't worry about it icarus are useful in siege

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 8:26 AM

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Should I 6* Naomi first or Spectra

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Planning to make my GB team a bit better

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And by that I mean stop using my DOT team and make a real team

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 9:40 AM

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probably naomi but wait for a real helper

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i am an idiot

hasty sundial Jul 9, 2023, 12:14 PM

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spectra

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naomi is still not useful

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although if you're working on giants you shouldn't be making spectra either

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 12:14 PM

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the team probsz recommended earlier has naomi for what its worth

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i think shes prob superior to kro but that might not be saying much

hasty sundial Jul 9, 2023, 12:16 PM

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if you already have a naomi you can use her. but she is never worth getting if you don't already have her

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that has always been the case

thick thunder Jul 9, 2023, 12:17 PM

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makes sense

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 3:42 PM

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Ok well the team I have right now to try is Vero, Sig, 2a Kro, Hraesvelg and Bella

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I don’t have Bella 2a though and I won’t have it for a good long while

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I can clear GBAN fine-ish but Abyss Hard is too rough

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Not for the fodder waves. Those aren’t that much of an issue. It’s the boss that’s a problem. Kro dies almost every time and we don’t seem to be doing the damage fast enough

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 7:42 PM

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Oh well looks like switching Hraesvelg for Savannah increased my success rate

wheat sail Jul 9, 2023, 11:43 PM

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Final update on my GBAH Team: Went with Vero, Sig, Bella, Savannah, and Spectra and it’s doing pretty well. Will do better when I 6* Spectra and 2a Bella

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But yea I can farm it now at least

wheat sail Jul 10, 2023, 11:08 PM

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For a TOAH team should I use Spectra? It isn’t mentioned in the progression guide and I already have it runed for GBAH

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And also given I have the units for a Dot team, should I make one for TOAH?

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Or at least I have some units that do dots at least

faint badge Jul 10, 2023, 11:41 PM

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no

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?toa

silent obsidianBOT Jul 10, 2023, 11:41 PM

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# Trial of Ascension (Normal & Hard) GUIDE
Additional commands
Floor 100 bosses (?toafemale and ?toamale )
?arta ?akroma

First ToaN (normal) team will consists of your GB12 team according to ?justdoit which is Veromos, Fran, Shannon ( ** DO NOT 6 Star ** ), Sigmarus and either Lapis or Loren
ToaH (hard) will be a combination of Fran, Mav (wind penguin), Shannon, +2 of these units below depending on floor
Sig, Vero, Melia, Loren, Verde
[Mav] - Violent-Swift/Any, (SPD-HP)/HP/HP, Def Artifacts (when 6☆), and 180 SPD, 45% Acc
[Mellia] - Despair-Swift/Any, (SPD-HP)/HP/HP, can stay 5☆
[Sigmarus][1] - Swift/Any, SPD/CD/[HP/ATT], moving before Mav, 20-30 acc, 85% CR, HP/ATT artifacts depending on runes and still meeting GB12 requirements
[Veromos, Loren, Fran, Shannon, and Verde] runed as they are for their other content
[1]: Sig is eventually switched from the beginner runes to these requirements to start speeding up ToaH floors and GB12 team.

Additional Info

If you are not sure of what a monster does, don't be afraid to read the monsters skills or ask for clarification on what they do
Sigmarus, Veromos and Mellia do not need skillups, everyone else should be skilled up.
Support mon ideally have no more than 20% CR for anti-crit stages
45% Accuracy is recommended for every support unit that have debuffs.
Turn order will vary but in a nutshell the slowest mon on the team should be mav (being 180 spd) and everyone else moving before he does. Sig's spd will be slow at first but then later will want to be made faster than mav as well.

wheat sail Jul 11, 2023, 3:50 AM

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You suggest I only use the units posted for TOAH?

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And no other units?

faint badge Jul 11, 2023, 3:51 AM

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yes

wheat sail Jul 11, 2023, 3:51 AM

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I thought this was more of a for reference thing, not a do exactly by the book thing

faint badge Jul 11, 2023, 3:51 AM

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?fun

silent obsidianBOT Jul 11, 2023, 3:51 AM

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This is #1047269577614164098 : We give advice on efficient progress

wheat sail Jul 11, 2023, 3:52 AM

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So if these are the perfect units for TOAH, how come people make Dot teams and other teams to speed it up

faint badge Jul 11, 2023, 3:52 AM

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and suggest you give #1090664520449527921 a read

wheat sail Jul 11, 2023, 3:53 AM

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I mean this is a TOA question and you already posted the command. You’re just redirecting me back to it

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I was asking for a more detailed explanation

faint badge Jul 11, 2023, 3:58 AM

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the purpose of this channel is to create efficient teams for all of progression, meaning that they either end up being able to be used in more than one place or another without wasting too many unnecessary resources along the way. this is not limited in just monsters but also in resources like not wasting time on building a homunculus and wasting dhole energy on units that arent used or using suboptimal teams to create dungeon teams

dot team is wasteful not only in its creation but also in its use of runes that could go to more important things, see #1075759157099114536

wheat sail Jul 11, 2023, 3:59 AM

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Oh right right. That change affects all DOT monsters in all areas

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Ok that makes sense

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I was just confused

faint badge Jul 11, 2023, 4:02 AM

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you must also keep in mind content that is created by content creator is not the best source of information either, unlike most games. content in this game is rather stale, so creators have to rely on clickbaits and other means to get people to watch their content (ie youtube videos) for things dealing with pve, can see ?youtuber

wheat sail Jul 11, 2023, 4:05 AM

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Yea ok I can see what you mean. It is much more interesting so I would gravitate towards that rather than the tried and true, more lackluster version

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Not in terms of efficiency but like

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In terms of how interesting and fun it is I guess

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Aight well I’ll try not to stray from the path then

wheat sail Jul 12, 2023, 5:26 AM

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?justdoit

#Returning Player trying to get into the game....again