modern isle
Just want to make sure I'm doing this right through SWOP since I haven't found any good resources for properly setting up the damage options.
This setup returned over 2000 builds, which seems like a lot, so I'm a bit skeptical of what it gave me. However, I see that you have to hit at least 32k on Bale's S3, and I'm wondering where in SWOP I can see THAT result?
strong merlin
have you read the bj5 command?
modern isle
have you read the bj5 command?
yes, but it's not telling me how to find that 32k number
strong merlin
i think it is a little too exhaustive to try and use swop to see calculate damage on bale S3, can try using the excel sheet in the command
vital tulip
cant you just open up r5 and hit the boss
modern isle
cant you just open up r5 and hit the boss
no because i dont have the other units built. notably the 17 fight sets
strong merlin
with the builds you have on swop, filter which gives you the most damage while having enough tankiness, and use the excel sheet to calculate
modern isle
i can try that, but i still think it would be nice to know where to find this in SWOP
modern isle
why
because it SHOULD be easier to find a damage option than to rune an entire team and test for one skill
strong merlin
watch therion's video then. He explains how to use that function you are talking about
modern isle
watch therion's video then. He explains how to use that function you are talking...
which video?
strong merlin
pinned in #1084154772493447258
modern isle
lemme see if what i need is in there
modern isle
i think im doing something wrong...it's giving me 1/6th the damage i need, i have a hard time believing im that far off
am i missing something? the damage im getting seems way too far off. surely i made a mistake somewhere?
strong merlin
I think you forgot to select use def break, use atk buff, use brand debuff
modern isle
I think you forgot to select use def break, use atk buff, use brand debuff
are all those things in effect before Bale moves against R5?
modern isle
it should be
thank you, that's what was missing. i didnt know what buffs are in effect
strong merlin
managed to hit 32k?
modern isle
way beyond that. who applies the brand?
modern isle
nah kros not in it. its loren, colleen, jannssen, the fire 9 tailed fox, dagora
so no brand i think
yeah no brand, lemme see if i still hit it
strong merlin
oh yeah. sorry. kro is in another team, my bad. forgot this was bj5
modern isle
mmm not quite, about 2k short
modern isle
i included flat attack artis. ill see if max grinds help
modern isle
you mean their actual effects?
strong merlin
yes
modern isle
yeah i dont have any good ones sadly
yeah im 1k damage short unfortunately
with max grinds
modern isle
oh ok wait no i can hit it
untold plume
What was the last push from?
modern isle
What was the last push from?
i equipped the artifacts and specified max rolls on grinds with immemorials
actual rolls put me at the lowest qualifying speed and around 33k damage
with attack buff and defense break
untold plume
Ahhh nice, congrats on the team then!
modern isle
gotta rune the rest of the team but at least i hit the bale benchmark
pallid rivet
I think you forgot to select use def break, use atk buff, use brand debuff
atk buff & def break is being used
brand is not being used
also, you don't use 40% ATK lead & add in 17 fight sets
strong merlin
yeah, i only realised that after
pallid rivet
the 40% ATK lead = being account for in the 17 fight set number
8*5=40%
17-5=12
Amount of fight sets in the team = 12
40% can either be put seperately through the dmg overview, or by adding 5 more fight sets
Hence the number 17
modern isle
8*5=40%
17-5=12
Amount of fight sets in the team = 12
40% can either be put sepe...
so did i do something wrong here or is it just redundant?
modern isle
https://imgur.com/wPxoN8y because im basing the 17 sets off this
and the 40% attack off the nine tailed fox lead
pallid rivet
modern isle
ok cool so i probably dont actually have what i need then
pallid rivet
click on the highest dmg build
and send a screenshot of the will runes it tells you
modern isle
comes out to 31310 damage...
wish id known how this stupid damage calculator works before i spent all that on the runes, grinds, and artifacts
god dammit dude
pallid rivet
the will runes
not the build
please spend more time on understanding what you read
modern isle
pallid rivet
when you rune up a important unit
Verdehile for tricaru
Baleygr for R5
they need your best damage dealer runes
also, try to swop using a fatal set or a blade set in addition to the will set
don't just input "will"
hit calc
and select the top build
input will, because thats mandatory
hit calc
Add in blade
hit calc
switch out blade for fatal
hit calc
all 3 calculations will give different results, because it has to look at less bad runes
and
so you tell it to use flat ATK as mainstat, and at the same time tell it to ignore optimizing using artifacts
modern isle
so you tell it to use flat ATK as mainstat, and at the same time tell it to igno...
after watching therions video, i just plopped on 2 +15 attack artifacts and specified to use current artifacts only
pallid rivet
input will, because thats mandatory
hit calc
Add in blade
hit calc
switch out bl...
do this
modern isle
thats what im loading now
turned on max grinds, include immemorial, unchecked use only inventory runes, fatal will didnt have anything better, about to see if fatal blade does
50 depth, CD/ATK focus, 145 speed min, 58 crit min, 80k EHP min
i dont understand this stupid thing
i dont know why its taking me longer to find specific stuff than if i dont select certain limiting pieces
@pallid rivet yeah i dont have anything. this stupid thing takes a whole 5 minutes to search builds just to tell me i got nothing
in all likelihood ill probably just level up my attack and fire attack towers...i dont know how much more % i would need to increase that 31300 figure by 700 attack
just increased my fire attack tower by 5 levels, so ill plug it into SWOP later to see how much of a damage increase that is
pallid rivet
turned on max grinds, include immemorial, unchecked use only inventory runes, fa...
fatal blade
is not a valid combination
pallid rivet
input will, because thats mandatory
hit calc
Add in blade
hit calc
switch out bl...
input will, because thats mandatory
hit calc
Add in blade
hit calc
switch out blade for fatal
hit calc
modern isle
fatal blade
true, my mistake, meant fatal will
the build im on is the highest damage one that it's returning me
i believe i had 31,310 attack before i made my upgrades to towers so ill check them tomorrow and see how close an extra 5% attack gets me. but yeah fatal/will blade/will isnt giving me a build that has higher damage than what it initially gave me with max grinds including immemorial
pallid rivet
to burst your bubble
you want that dmg before you apply grinds
compare it to
buying something with money you don't have yet
modern isle
you want that dmg before you apply grinds
I’m a little confused, why would it matter? Are you saying because of the RNG of how the grinds roll?
I’m only about 700 damage from where I need to be so I imagine that wouldn’t be too hard to supplement with tower upgrades
vital tulip
i would rely on artis
modern isle
I’ll spend some time farming them and see if I get anything workable. SF10 doesn’t work so I’ll have to do SF8 and PC10 is about 90% consistent
modern isle
What’s weird is SF10 used to work but doesn’t anymore, but now that I’m done with water rift I guess I can rerune LingLing
modern isle
I'll be honest, I don't understand this shit
vital tulip
what part
modern isle
I don't understand how I can upgrade my fire tower, convert the artifacts for the substats for this, and somehow come out with LESS damage than I had last night
Like that doesn't make any sense
vital tulip
ok so
in the ?bj5 command
theres a calc
it shows you the minimum and the highest damage
what you want to do is get the minimum damage to be 32k
modern isle
Is that not the same as this 32k requirement?
Yeah and according to this I'm lower than I was yesterday somehow
vital tulip
did you mess up some settings
modern isle
Despite slotting in CD, ATK based on X, and upgrading my fire attack tower 5 times for another 5%
vital tulip
try checking everything again
modern isle
i remember seeing things online but my artis aren't too bad at the moment, theyre not good but i imagine farming better ones will take a lot longer than upgrading my damage towers to make up for that 200
lemme copy paste
vital tulip
those are really bad artis ngl
modern isle
problem is SF10 and 9 i fail often, and PC10 is pretty consistent
modern isle
i mean lemme ask you this
which one is BETTER? i imagine it would be a lot harder to find 2 atk artifacts for fire/attack with the subs i need than one
like which of these artis is more replaceable
also ill do an experiment where i upgrade my attack tower and see how much damage that adds in swop
vital tulip
just get ones better than the ones you have atm
your atk arti is shit
it basically has no effect
modern isle
it basically has no effect
the 6% CD based on enemy max HP probably accounts for a little bit there
otherwise yes i agree
modern isle
oh wait hold up, there are some builds that can hit 32k in SWOP today
modern isle
well lemme not get too excited, i specified max grinds
lemme see if i still get results with minimum grinds
modern isle
@vital tulip whats the actual boss health when he moves since ideally its defense broken? since one of my artis scales off HP to a certain point?
would this build work? 145 speed, 60 crit, 227 CD, 84,200 EHP
based off all these calculations. hopefully im not missing anything this time
@pallid rivet when you get a moment if you can look at the above build and let me know if i missed anything since last time i f***ed up with the fight sets and leader skill
modern isle
i just want somebody to double check this before i +15 everything and get excited about hitting 32k
@vital tulip when you get a moment can you double check my homework here
modern isle
@round dagger can you double check my work here? i think the other guys went to bed
round dagger
what's the problem?
modern isle
just wanna make sure the build im considering above would work for BJ5. mostly just wanting to make sure i put the damage option parameters in properly considering the 17 fight sets
round dagger
how much damage does it say?
round dagger
you should be fine then
modern isle
theres an arti that scales damage based on HP so i plugged in 99 since i assume Loren is getting a defense break off first
modern isle
What do you mean
both artifacts combine for a total of CD+ as more enemy HP, up to 10%
round dagger
Go into a lobby and try it out
See if it works
If you are doing 32k then it works
modern isle
i havent runed anything else yet, really just wanted to see if i can hit the benchmark
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