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untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 9:52 PM

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and swarfarm doesn't have right build

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(I swap it)

slow glen Jul 3, 2023, 9:53 PM

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Kk

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 9:53 PM

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Camilla build

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replay should be sending

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@slow glen the replay

slow glen Jul 3, 2023, 9:56 PM

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I don’t like cd cami

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Especially with +245 att

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Lol

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I think this was a cami build issue

jovial drift Jul 3, 2023, 9:56 PM

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the issue with cdmg camilla is it really requires rune quality

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that is something that took me awhile to realize

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this is what i use when i use cdmg camilla on destroy for instance

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 9:58 PM

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Yeah, that makes sense

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I Can SWOP together a better build that steals runes from like multiple units

slow glen Jul 3, 2023, 9:59 PM

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I just run max cr

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And like +32k hp

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 10:00 PM

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Max as in 85 or 100v

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Actually…. You said max. That’s 100

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I Can make that

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What tick?

slow glen Jul 3, 2023, 10:00 PM

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6

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 10:00 PM

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?tick

slow glen Jul 3, 2023, 10:00 PM

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You can run 7 as needed

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 10:00 PM

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?ticks

slow glen Jul 3, 2023, 10:00 PM

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239

hexed prawnBOT Jul 3, 2023, 10:00 PM

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Speed - Ticks to reach 100% ATB

Combat speed 477 = 3 Ticks
Combat speed 358 = 4 Ticks
Combat speed 286 = 5 Ticks
Combat speed 239 = 6 Ticks
Combat speed 205 = 7 Ticks
Combat speed 179 = 8 Ticks

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 10:00 PM

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Alright

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Windy is on 7

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Should Camilla match that’s

slow glen Jul 3, 2023, 10:01 PM

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Eh

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Just run s3 recovery -water

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 10:01 PM

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Like match the tick*

slow glen Jul 3, 2023, 10:02 PM

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Oh

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Idk

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Just prio stats

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I have 6 tick because I can

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 10:02 PM

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Yeah, alright

slow glen Jul 3, 2023, 10:02 PM

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But 7 tick should be fine

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 10:03 PM

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I’ll go 7 tick (205 speed)

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How much acc do you run?

slow glen Jul 3, 2023, 10:05 PM

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0

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If the Theo is on res

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He’s not doing things

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 10:06 PM

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alright, makes sense

valid palmBOT Jul 3, 2023, 10:08 PM

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Here is your build.

Camilla

#1 Violent,Destroy

SPD,HP%,HP%

HP: 32126
DEF: 1503
ATK: 1133
SPD: 190
CR: 100%
CD: 71%
ACC: 21%
RES: 23%
E.HP: 205622
Effcy: 85.40%

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 10:08 PM

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how this?

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feels low on hp

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it is pre artifacts

slow glen Jul 3, 2023, 10:10 PM

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Hmmmm

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Yeah the hp is really low

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Like it’s not much higher than the cd one

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Do you not have good cr depth?

valid palmBOT Jul 3, 2023, 10:11 PM

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Here is your build.

Camilla

#1 Violent,Destroy

SPD,HP%,HP%

HP: 37122
DEF: 1110
ATK: 1126
SPD: 204
CR: 101%
CD: 94%
ACC: 6%
RES: 21%
E.HP: 186538
Effcy: 85.84%

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 10:11 PM

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seems to be the case

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/ most of it used on other units

valid palmBOT Jul 3, 2023, 10:12 PM

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Here are your builds.

Camilla

#1 Violent,Destroy

HP%,CRate,HP%

HP: 45365
DEF: 1259
ATK: 1067
SPD: 190
CR: 107%
CD: 50%
ACC: 15%
RES: 15%
E.HP: 251616
Effcy: 89.78%

#2 Violent,Destroy

DEF%,CRate,HP%

HP: 38065
DEF: 1720
ATK: 1224
SPD: 190
CR: 102%
CD: 62%
ACC: 0%
RES: 28%
E.HP: 272545
Effcy: 96.18%

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 10:12 PM

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this steals runess off like 4 units

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would it be worth it?

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it steals runes from 2 khmuns, and my delphoi

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also martina

jovial drift Jul 3, 2023, 10:47 PM

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Right now is frr

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No reason to not swap

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 10:50 PM

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alright... I've tilted

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I actually hate taking chacha + 2 wind into kinki defenses

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stupid offense has failed me every single time this month

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@jovial drift what non leo feng team can you take into clara, theo, sav?

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like can feng, lulu, tesa work?

jovial drift Jul 3, 2023, 10:56 PM

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I actually prefer xing leo

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But feng is better if you have good artis

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 10:57 PM

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no leo

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I worded that really badly

jovial drift Jul 3, 2023, 10:57 PM

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Sry I've been awake forever XD

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Uhh

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Harmonia Camilla windy

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 10:57 PM

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already done the camilla hit, and the yh one

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so kinda scrapping at the bottom of the barrel

jovial drift Jul 3, 2023, 10:57 PM

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There's not many good f2p counters

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 10:57 PM

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I might yolo out feng, lulu, tesa

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and just be done with this siege

jovial drift Jul 3, 2023, 10:58 PM

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I did malite Lulu vigor todat

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Today

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It's not super safe but I also knew the guild I was hitting was bad

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If youre scraping the barrel it's an option

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 10:59 PM

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yeah. I'm using it

jovial drift Jul 3, 2023, 10:59 PM

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But you do need to be tanky enough on lulu vigor

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Otherwise you can lose for sure

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 10:59 PM

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and it failed

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tesa did 11k x 2 followwed by proc s1 on def broken vigor

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I'll play out this 2 v 3

jovial drift Jul 3, 2023, 11:00 PM

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Did you do -water?

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 11:00 PM

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but it's doomed

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yes

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-16%

jovial drift Jul 3, 2023, 11:00 PM

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You never know

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Malite Lulu can do crazy shit

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 11:01 PM

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and lulu is dead

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and malite is dead

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alright

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1: safe
2: turns out not safe, but wasn't swift cichild
3: safe
4: turns out not safe, but wasn't swift cichild. though at this point I know it isn't swift
5: bad camila build
6: safe enough
7: should have lost (kahli did not kill xing) but I got the clean up
8: fuck this garbage attack. never works
9: safe
10: scrapping bottom of the barrel. vigor got deleted turn 1 by theo

jovial drift Jul 3, 2023, 11:13 PM

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Maybe khmun triana roid

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I think it's ok

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I'll think about it after sleep

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I have something written down I think but I forget

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 11:13 PM

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alright. I appreciate it

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I probably won't hit that defense anymore

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I have such a low WR into it

jovial drift Jul 3, 2023, 11:14 PM

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I meant vs khmun cichlid monte

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 11:14 PM

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ahh

jovial drift Jul 3, 2023, 11:14 PM

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It's workable

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Works vs the mihyang variant

untold heart Jul 3, 2023, 11:15 PM

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yeah, that makes sense

jovial drift Jul 3, 2023, 11:16 PM

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I'll think about it

untold heart Jul 8, 2023, 11:36 PM

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I’m in the constant need of Windy’s. Can I just 6 star all the windy’s that are in my box (about 3 more). And then skill them up later?

hazy cove Jul 9, 2023, 12:07 AM

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sure. skills help a lot but windy is so op than unskilled windy is probably still considerably better than non-windy alternatives

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make sure you're using almightys to finish each pumpkin every time you get 30 pieces from shop

untold heart Jul 12, 2023, 8:50 PM

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last siege's hits.
1: bad piloting
2: safe enough
3: wrong counter
4: safe
5: safe
6: safe
7: safe
8: safe
9: safe enough
10: unfortunate? wrong counter?

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in 1 I killed kiki turn 1, but trolled against the rest of the offense by excessivly using kona s2 and letting TL get a lot of turns

hazy cove Jul 12, 2023, 9:02 PM

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what how is that a good team

untold heart Jul 12, 2023, 9:04 PM

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I kill kiki turn 1. most of the hits from ling ling and TL should be going into the chacha giving me time to snipe another unit

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that was my thought process

hazy cove Jul 12, 2023, 9:04 PM

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how does tl not cut you before cov gets a turn

untold heart Jul 12, 2023, 9:05 PM

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cov was fast and tuned to move with 50% boost

hazy cove Jul 12, 2023, 9:05 PM

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are you sure you tuned it right

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and not just got lucky

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TL also gets a boost

untold heart Jul 12, 2023, 9:06 PM

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true

slow glen Jul 12, 2023, 9:06 PM

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Yeah that stuff

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Isn’t safe

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People have fast TL

hazy cove Jul 12, 2023, 9:06 PM

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not to mention LM can be on swift and just outspeed your kona to begin with

slow glen Jul 12, 2023, 9:06 PM

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Who can just s2

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^^

untold heart Jul 12, 2023, 9:06 PM

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yeah. good to know for future hits

slow glen Jul 12, 2023, 9:06 PM

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There are so many ways you can lose that

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I also think

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10 kinda sucks

untold heart Jul 12, 2023, 9:07 PM

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yeah. it failed pretty hard

slow glen Jul 12, 2023, 9:07 PM

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Yeah use windy there

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Over malite

hazy cove Jul 12, 2023, 9:07 PM

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and racuni over lala

untold heart Jul 12, 2023, 9:08 PM

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Alright bet. I just built more dupes of both yesterday

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I only used lala cause I was out of racuni’s.

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Was 9 ok, or is it too risky?

hazy cove Jul 12, 2023, 9:10 PM

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it's fine if swift bale and not your bj5 bale

untold heart Jul 12, 2023, 9:11 PM

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Yeah. It was BJ5 bale. I got lucky with crits I think

untold heart Jul 14, 2023, 10:05 PM

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today's hits

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1: safe
2: safe
3: safe
4: safe (knew it was all off will, and on vio)
5: safe
6: safe (was close though. Racuni died)
7: safe (also close. jultan died)
8: safe
9: unfortunate. rage odin did 48k on a -15% wind tank triana
10: safe enough (didn't wait to see if they were on will or not. I was tilted after hit 9 cause I threw a 10-0)

neon prairie Jul 14, 2023, 10:08 PM

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Was triana triple hp?

untold heart Jul 14, 2023, 10:08 PM

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yes

untold heart Jul 14, 2023, 10:33 PM

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this is what the triana build looks like

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@jovial drift should I put will on YH? she seems to not go into s3 if clara stuns her

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this is her current build

jovial drift Jul 14, 2023, 10:37 PM

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I do feel generally you are best served by will on yeonhwa

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It's not always necessary but I feel more often than not you are happier that way

untold heart Jul 14, 2023, 10:38 PM

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yeah. that makes sense. it hasn't failed me yet, but I do notice that the lack of will has a chance to cause issues

untold heart Jul 19, 2023, 2:30 AM

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rough siege.
Inted everything after hit 3. Tilted by hit 6
1: safe
2: safe enough (rakan did tank it, and I should have lost, but overall it's a safe counter with the right runes)
3: safe (skogul did have close to 60k hp, so he did damage (vigor was healing him for 15k)
4: need better light tank
5: ???
6: ??? (heavy add damage praha)
7: ???
8: ???
9: wrong kahli
10: bad hit

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@jovial drift could I get advice on these

untold heart Jul 19, 2023, 2:46 AM

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untold heart rough siege. Inted everything after hit 3. Tilted by hit 6 1: safe 2: safe enoug...

@hazy cove when you have a chance could you also go through these. mainly 5 through 8. I feel like I was taking sane things, and just losing so hard

slow glen Jul 19, 2023, 2:59 AM

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untold heart

4 these will almost always be yolo twins, just use Elucia aegir light tank, or just Julie this

jovial drift Jul 19, 2023, 4:13 AM

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Yes, tag me again, will get to them ASAP, zorry

hazy cove Jul 19, 2023, 6:14 AM

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lol mostly you're getting mega rune gapped this is a farming guild with g3+ players

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4 - like others said i dont like light tank twins vs any sort of twins, cleave it or use aegir elucia

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5 - not a bad idea, but talc doesn't tank well in the face of strips and def breaks. having lala as the only support/cleanser is kinda risky too, she can get chain cc'ed. i'd cleave this with meph kona shren or julie lushen bastet (or others). if you want to bruiser it out you need a more durable water tank like camilla. talc vs dom is only good when you have immunity support

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6 - racuni as the only healer here is just not enough. typically i think people do malite vigor lulu here

slow glen Jul 19, 2023, 6:19 AM

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hazy cove lol mostly you're getting mega rune gapped this is a farming guild with g3+ play...

Yeah I went over this elsewhere

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Schyan hits different

hazy cove Jul 19, 2023, 6:20 AM

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7 - i never like using lulu as only healer into sav unless you also have a leo on the team. for f2p bruiser against this kind of team i like khmun racuni yeonhwa

slow glen Jul 19, 2023, 6:21 AM

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How did 8 lose btw

hazy cove Jul 19, 2023, 6:21 AM

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8 - get more rinas, but this is probably just rune/build issue

untold heart Jul 19, 2023, 7:01 AM

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Is rina > dagora there?

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I had another rina, but purposefully used dagora, cause it felt like they weren’t critting much on rina (on hit 2)

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Hit 3*

jovial drift Jul 19, 2023, 8:22 AM

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okay i have a few minutes here, let's take a look, i'm sure jx went over everything but i'll take a quick look

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i feel like the most important thing is to take breaks if you can after losses

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one persistent theme I see is you get tilted a lot by losses and it ends up fucking you over pretty bad

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but when it comes down to it in this game you're gonna get lucky and so is your opponent, it just feels more noticeable when your opponent does
maybe you don't get tilted because of that. i used to get tilted just at myself for playing bad, like, my internal talk is something like "what the hell, are you stupid? what are you thinking"

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but i think this is something you are gonna want to address if you want to have solid siege winrate. because nobody wins 100% of the time. it's normal and okay to have losses. yesterday i had a loss where every single turn for 10+ individual turns opponent got 2 turns or more. it sucked but i probably would still win if i brought a better comp or piloted slightly better. it's just life haha. if everything was completely telegraphed the game would be very boring

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#7 - most of the simple answers to this involve juno unfortunately which you already used in attack 1. like jx said khmun racuni yeonhwa/malite here, but it can definitely still lose. however again, this kind of goes back to what I was saying about being tilted. obviously i don't know the map but there's a decent chance there are other towers you can hit more safely. if you're tilted, you just want to be done, you don't care to wait. at the end you were just flailing and throwing everything you had to get done ASAP. i understand that feeling but it never ends well, ever.

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during my first siege in g3 i finished 6-4, it was vs hurt and VIP, my account had very few 2as, i was hardcore runegapped and didn't have many dupes

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but the part of this 6-4 that i feel is important
i started 0-2. i was not tilted at all. i was just very focused and trying to figure out what to do better. then i won my next attack. so 1-2. then galleon missed all 3 defense breaks. 1-3. then i failed to kill monte with covenant with the tankiest -water monte i've ever had the misfortune of running against. i was 1-4. once again, still not tilted. the galleon loss was unfortunate but it's just what happens, why focus on that? i want to have the best siege i can. I turned it around to 6-4. is it a good w-l? hell no, but do you think i ever in a million years finish 6-4 here if i am tilted?

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so i can't really give better advice then jx can on the front of what to bring, but i do think that you are being bottle necked by your mental. work on that. focus on being objective. if you feel tilted, take at least 30 minutes after an attack, think about it, chill, refocus up and look for opportunities

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