New TOAH roadblock…

[peak steppe]

Ok…how do I deal with this? Considering Antares has a chance each turn to pop off and AOE nuke my team.

Is Fran/Vero/Sig/Loren/Mav still good here because I got absolutely demolished.

[ebon pier]

It's rng stage.
Sig vero Mav Fran Loren works. It's just one monster with rng. Kill him and you are fine.

If Loren is dying still can put her on HP or def slot 2. Shouldn't be needed.

[peak steppe]

So I just kinda have to luck out that he doesn’t proc? God that sucks…

[ebon pier]

His S2 does not stun. Yes. There is randomness

[peak steppe]

Fuco just one shot my Sig…

This wouldn’t benefit from Spectra with the attack break?

[sand flame]

Don’t you still have 2 attack break sources

[peak steppe]

Fran is too busy trying to heal all the bullshit AOE from Antares to attack break

[sand flame]

What I would do is focus on stunning the Antares, atb controlling Fuco/grego

Honestly atb reduce Fuco

As long as defense break is on Antares

Basically to me the game is this

You’re gonna kill Antares asap

You control Fuco with anything that’s pointless to use on Antares

[peak steppe]

This stage just feels like such bullshit…Antares insta-noping out of CC with an attack up AOE…

[ebon pier]

It's not that spectra isn't good. He is just a lot of resources invested. Unfortunately we can't help you with the stage being frustrating. Try different strategies and it you will win eventually. If sig is too squishy again same thing. He shouldn't be getting one shot. Is he still on justdoit build? HP slot 6 is very valid on sig

[peak steppe]

Got lucky with Antares not popping off and cleared it. Thanks 😊

[peak steppe]

I figure instead of making a new thread I just post my current roadblock

Was going pretty well until Verde got a turn and was able to absolutely destroy my entire team

@ebon pier should I slot somebody else in somewhere?

[ebon pier]

No it's fine

Kill Leo first. Cc until then. Should work.

[peak steppe]

Really? I assumed I had to take out the Verdes first

[jagged minnow]

Leo limits the speed of everyone on the field to its max speed, so the enemy will get a turn more often and you won't have the speed advantage

[upbeat blade]

I killed the Verdes first

team works fine, could get unlucky with a resist somewhere that allows a verde to play and boost atb his whole team but should still work with a few tries at most

[peak steppe]

Yeah I’m getting smashed trying to focus Leo…if Verde gets a turn or if Spectra gets a turn without my immunity up I’m just screwed

Tried slotting in Spectra for Sig for some pushback but that didn’t work either

Honestly this stage seems more difficult than 100 would be lol. I’ll try more when I get home but it’s just annoying at this point

[upbeat blade]

make sure to use Loren properly and it shouldn't be hard tbh

[ebon pier]

@peak steppe if you still struggle. hmu. i'll guide you through the piloting

[jagged minnow]

vero fran loren sig shannon/verde

[peak steppe]

I’ll see if I can get through it with a few more attempts before I come back here and ask for your guidance

[ebon pier]

it's nbd

its your first clear of toah

we were all there

i needed guidance too

can apy it forward in the future

[peak steppe]

Just stressing cus the deadline for reset is coming up

[ebon pier]

don't stress

if you are worried just get on call with me and share screen

and i'll guide you

[jagged minnow]

vero fran loren sig verde trust and just have loren stop verdes outside of leo def break

[ebon pier]

you really are not being helpful

[jagged minnow]

How?

[ebon pier]

its not comp issue

[jagged minnow]

probably, but this comp is easier, and it seems like he wants to try and figure out pathing themselves outside of comp suggestions

[ebon pier]

that is fair

[jagged minnow]

Also I suggested what the pathing problem probably is, their loren only autoing leo

[ebon pier]

always good to try and experiment with different ideas, i am with that

think i was misunderstanding, that's me, not you ,sorry=)

[jagged minnow]

all g, just first cleared toah this week and this stage fucked me until i tried that

[ebon pier]

i haven't had issues with sig loren fran mav vero but it makes sense

[jagged minnow]

think main issue is sig acc to low

[ebon pier]

mb

piloting knowledge does a lot for these later stages when you're new and perhaps this is much much easier

[jagged minnow]

kinda suprised it made it this far only has 10% lol and yeah, very important to learn why you are making the turns you are making

[peak steppe]

@ebon pier just got home. i can get through the trash waves and ping you for screen share if youre available for that in a couple minutes?

[ebon pier]

ya let's roll

come join any time

[peak steppe]

cool, ill hop in in a few minutes when i get to leo

@ebon pier ok how do i hop in the channel?

im below you in AFK

[peak steppe]

cleared all of TOAH and got my Kunite from summons. Thanks for all the help guys

[ebon pier]

Gz

[peak steppe]

unrelated but if you load your XP buildings with rainbowmons all the time how do you go about leveling your new units?

/optimal way

[ebon pier]

Same way you normally would

You aren't 6*ing anything for awhile. But if you want to keep using the weekly one for efficiency then you should just do it how you always would. Rifts give a shitton of rainbowmon

[peak steppe]

just thought faimon hell and scenario as a whole was viewed as a waste of energy beyond a certain point

[ebon pier]

How does this change with exp buildings?

[peak steppe]

just because i was using them to level stuff while only having one dedicated to fodder

zero energy cost with the tradeoff being opportunity cost (leveling other rainbows)

[ebon pier]

It's the same thing except more efficient

And you will get plenty of rainbowmons farming caiross

Or rift beasts

Unsynced leveling sucks

What ends up happening eventually is you get this very enjoyable 6* loop

Where you have 4 or 5 max level 30 rainbows

Then you just take out unneeded nat 3s from summons or make the 2* max level rainbowmons into 3* ones

And you level the rainbowmon you got from farming with those

This sounds kind of confusing but

Tldr

1. Get (4-5) level 30 4 star max level rainbowmon from buildings
2. Take enough (20-24) max level 3* rainbowmon out of storage
3. Use fodder from scrolls/level 1 3* rainbowmon (get these from evolving the max level 2* ones you get from farming) to prep food
4. Make all the rainbowmons needed 5*
5. (Can be done at start of process w/e) pop exp booster, level monster to 35
6. Evolve monster with rainbowmon

If you do this constantly you actually end up not really using the max level 3* rainbowmon to evolve each other too often (as in, you will use enough of them that you won't get overflow) which I find very efficient and worthwhile

[peak steppe]

yeah i understand that part completely, i just wasnt sure if you preferred something over faimon hell for actually leveling the stuff since it's a waste of energy outside of that for the most part

[ebon pier]

It's not a waste of energy

That is a poor take

If you need monsters you level them

It is better if you get most of it from farming but playing efficiently means you are gonna be 6*ing monsters. A LOT.

Once you have a stable box this burden lessens but trust me you never stop

Unless you don't care about improving in which case it doesn't matter anyways

When you start siege especially or improve the level of siege you play there is an overwhelming requirement to make more monsters

[peak steppe]

got it, alright, just wanted some input 🙂

[jagged minnow]

get the exp buildings aswell, least annoying method of using them imo is getting enough of same fodder monster to fill all of them so it looks less annoying and confusing. or 5* you will use in future but not worth using rainbows now

[ebon pier]

that's what we were just talking about