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reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 3:50 AM

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Do you think this talia will work for the rifts? If not any tips on how to improve her? (Missing sabrina hoping to pull her next week).

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 3:53 AM

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she needs 200% att, so thats roughly +1500 attack without including her base

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 3:53 AM

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oh alr

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do u think if i +15 the 6 rune it will hit 1.5k?

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 3:54 AM

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and these are minimum's for numbers

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well we can do this

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how much att% does yr slot 6 have

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 3:54 AM

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47%

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 3:55 AM

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so at +15 it will give you 63%

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so that is going to be 16% it gives you

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 3:55 AM

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does that 16% work off of the other runes too or just base?

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 3:55 AM

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or roughly 78 + 39 or about 115 more attack

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 3:55 AM

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i never got how the % on the runes worked

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 3:55 AM

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its off of base

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 3:55 AM

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ah

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alr

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 3:56 AM

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so that'll give roughly +1250 attack only

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 3:56 AM

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should i try and grind in more attack% or find diff runes

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 3:56 AM

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better runes

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 3:56 AM

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alr

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 3:56 AM

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step in the right direction

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but about 33% more attack needed

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 3:57 AM

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u think she should be on swift

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or switch to broken sets

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 3:57 AM

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whatever gives the needed stats

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2nd question, does she have artifacts as well?

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 3:58 AM

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1

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sec

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i just realized

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yea no she doesnt

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thats probably

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a factor too...

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 3:58 AM

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so that will give her +200 att

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for +1450

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so just shy

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of the minimum

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 3:59 AM

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just to be sure

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bringing it to +15 doesnt boost substats right?

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just main

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:00 AM

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correct

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:00 AM

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alr

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:00 AM

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reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:00 AM

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and when i get sabrina assuming i do pull her she should be runed about the same

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:00 AM

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3rd thing to look at is at least 170% CD as well

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which a slot 4 at +15 gives 80

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:01 AM

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if i +15 that

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21% more

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which is

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just bearly past the minimum

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so now just to find that

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extra 50 attack

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any recommended substats on artifacts?

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:01 AM

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non-factors

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can they help a tiny bit, sure but mostly just looking for that free main stat

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:02 AM

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if i were to use a lead like lapis would that 25% be added onto the 200% attack minimum

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ie the 200% attack minimum would now be 175%

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:03 AM

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interesting factoring, but you lose out on dmg from using that monster with the lead

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:04 AM

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fair

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:04 AM

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example lushen, while gives the 40% att lead, doesnt do much overall damage

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:04 AM

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yea

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my lushen

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:05 AM

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so just take your time, sit and farm a bit more

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:05 AM

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is not in the greatest spot with runes lmao

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alr

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any ideas on how to get more engraved summon pieces

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that isnt toa

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bc iv already done toa

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:06 AM

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gb12 to water rift, should be a bit of a slow down, the first big one, for new players

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:06 AM

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reef echo any ideas on how to get more engraved summon pieces

end of week guild battles (i do believe they give those for that)

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:06 AM

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guild rival battles or

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uh the other one

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:07 AM

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cant be for sure, but you should be able to check

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:07 AM

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yea leme check

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yea world guild battle

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i dont have the mons to help in that is the problem

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:08 AM

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naive basin gb12 to water rift, should be a bit of a slow down, the first big one, for new p...

currently hoping the twins will help me push my typical 3/10 chance of getting a kill on the water beast to atleast maybe a 70%

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:08 AM

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that would still be too low

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:09 AM

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my rift beast dmg is very inconsistant

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sometimes i can get like 2m dmg others i go to 3.5m

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:10 AM

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the end goal is S rank, score comes later

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:10 AM

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s rank is just killing it right?

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:10 AM

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killing at getting atleast 2.5m damage

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damage isnt typically the issue

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:10 AM

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do you mind taking a look at my water beast team?

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:11 AM

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i can if you make it quick, was about to head to bed

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:12 AM

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srry im taking screenshots of my mons rn

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:12 AM

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np

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:13 AM

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tbh my lushen is only there for the lead

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my lushen is very poorly runed

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:14 AM

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fran needs work

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and think if you get lushen to a decent damage set like the others, it would be more consistent

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also dislike verde on vio

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:15 AM

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naive basin fran needs work

my fran has more ehp overall tho

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:16 AM

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the rift beast does damage based on your monsters defense

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:16 AM

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naive basin and think if you get lushen to a decent damage set like the others, it would be ...

yea i should probably fix that

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:16 AM

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naive basin the rift beast does damage based on your monsters defense

ah

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i see

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:16 AM

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why there is a minimum def number

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:16 AM

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yea actually

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now that i think abt it

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if it didnt work off def

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it would mostlikely be a minimum ehp

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?gb12

grizzled ravineBOT Mar 30, 2023, 4:17 AM

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Order the GB12 team is upgraded and avg times

Sigmarus Veromos Fran Loren Shannon 3:00
Sigmarus Veromos Fran Loren Kro(2A) 1:20-1:50
Sigmarus Veromos Hraes Loren Kro(2A) 1:00-1:20
Lushen Veromos Hraes Loren Kro(2) 0:24-1:00

=New players see ?justdoit =
=Returning players See below stats=

Sigmarus - SPD/CD/[HP/ATT], 85% CR, 80k ehp, 140+ spd, [att/hp/def] artifacts depending on needs
Fran - SPD/HP/HP, 130k ehp, 180+ spd, 2 def artifacts
Loren - SPD/HP/HP, 130k ehp, 200+ spd, 2 def artifacts
Shannon - SPD/HP/[HP/DEF], 180+ spd, 60k ehp
Veromos - SPD/HP/HP, 180+ spd, 100k ehp
Kro(2A) - ATT/CD/ATT, 85% CR, 140 spd and moving after Sig, 80K ehp, [att/hp/def] artifacts depending on needs

acc makes runs more consistent, aim for 54% on all supports (loren,fran,Veromos ,shannon)
Turn order loren > Fran/Veromos/shannon > sig > kro(2A)
Vero and shannon can stay 5★ for now

STEPS TO IMPROVING GB12 (TEAM #2 AND BELOW) - spds are in combat spd

Must reach near average time of current team before moving to the next one
Vero can be moved to a bruiser build

SPD/CD/[HP/ATT], 80k ehp but tankier is safer, 85% CR, 180+ spd, [hp/def/att] artifacts depending on need
6★ Vero and devilmon

Improving Sig to his ?toa build along with reaching the same stats as above
Getting kro to or close to 169 (with max spd totem, only needs 45 spd from runes to hit 169 combat spd)
Hraesvelg replaces fran

Stats should be - SPD/CD/HP, 130k ehp, 169 spd and moving before sig and kro, 70+ CR, rest into att/CD

Turn order for team #3: Loren > vero > hraes > sig > kro(2a)

WHEN TO ADD LUSHEN TO MY GB12 TEAM

when you get toward the end of progression, hit 10.3k per card with skill 3 and get him to at least 170 combat speed

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:17 AM

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wait

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if i were to switch my fran to that build

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would fran then not work for gb12?

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:17 AM

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she would still work for gb12

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:17 AM

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oh

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actually

summer sinewBOT Mar 30, 2023, 4:18 AM

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133500 ehp. Deffbroken: 60000 ehp.

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:18 AM

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my current f ran i dont believe reaches

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unless

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my math is wrong

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as i just

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estimated how much hp and defense i had on my fran

summer sinewBOT Mar 30, 2023, 4:19 AM

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114832 ehp. Deffbroken: 58788 ehp.

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:19 AM

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its short

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but getting side tracked

summer sinewBOT Mar 30, 2023, 4:19 AM

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115826 ehp. Deffbroken: 59116 ehp.

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:19 AM

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oh

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alr

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:19 AM

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the gb12 numbers are to improve the team

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:20 AM

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so fix fran and fix lushen

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:20 AM

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from justdoit

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:20 AM

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and the team should be more consistant

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:20 AM

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yes, from there its just increasing damage

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:20 AM

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naive basin from justdoit

sadly i am missing atleast half the runes that i should have gotten for justdoit

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i dont even have the lapis runes

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:21 AM

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and make sure to be farming your arena wings as much as you can to level your towers

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:21 AM

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oh...

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i just looked at my wings lmao

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iv been slacking

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:21 AM

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easy stats to be gained where u need them

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:21 AM

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just a quick question

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for when i get to build tricaru

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do 5* runes

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also work

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bc iv got it going in my head to only use 6* runes

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:22 AM

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in slots 1/3/5 they are easier to fit in

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:22 AM

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and i feel like thats not the right mentality

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:22 AM

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in slots 2/4/6 you would be looking at needs to run 9 deter sets to conpensate

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:22 AM

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my rune storage is currently looking like only 6* runes

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also

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u said earlier not to rune vio on verd

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why is that

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isnt the more turns verd gets in the better?

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:23 AM

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you have a limited number of turns in rift beasts

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:23 AM

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oh

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:24 AM

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a verde proc is counter-productive as you loose damage

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:24 AM

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but if i were to use verd in tricaru

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i should stick to vio?

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:24 AM

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counter-productive

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:24 AM

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oh

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so just to achieve 100% cr

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for tricaru

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is good right?

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:24 AM

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no

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you need damage and ehp, along with being 100% CR

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:25 AM

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is there a way to get the comand to factor in determ runes too

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:25 AM

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hence deter runes help with the ehp for verde

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:25 AM

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or do i just figure that out on my own

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:26 AM

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chart is in ?tricaru

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:27 AM

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when u said to boost lushens dmg set u ment to bring the cd to 170 and cr to 85 right?

naive basin Mar 30, 2023, 4:27 AM

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yes

reef echo Mar 30, 2023, 4:27 AM

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alr

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