What do you guys think about orion as a booster vs bernard in galleon X julie?
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frozen spindle
It helps if you are blind yoloing a defense, but you have to be aware that julie needs a lot more speed than with bernard
Otherwise i think most people would rather just use bernard and have a cracked julie instead and kill through will runes
tacit dome
It helps if you are blind yoloing a defense, but you have to be aware that julie...
I never yolo cleave since bad rune :D;;
frozen spindle
What i mean by yolo is going in unscouted
But most people probably wont suggest this orion team, as there are probably much safer blind options
earnest shore
What do you guys think about orion as a booster vs bernard in galleon X julie?
There's like never a situation I feel where Orion is worth using over Bernard
Bernard has better base speed, better stats and better cleanup potential while also reducing spd requirement for other units
tacit dome
#6 is mandatory for me from this list I'm assuming? #announcements message
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quartz crescent
Yes 6 is great
quartz crescent
6 has Cami which is top notch but yeah Bp will come out soon I reckon
quartz crescent
Nora is great for Def but yeah I value Cami here for the Offense aspect
tacit dome
I wouldn't mind a dupe cami
The thing is I can't make any meaningful defenses
That is the problem I have right now
quartz crescent
I mean if your WR is good enough Nora is a good grab too but hey, luckily both are on the same list
quartz crescent
So not need to exclude anything
quartz crescent
Yeah I mean 6 gives you the best of both worlds
tacit dome
And right now I don't feel like I can
quartz crescent
Yeah Manon Nora is great
tacit dome
If I had martina or something then ok but no martina :D
I can't make any meaningful manon defenses it feels like
quartz crescent
Without a stripper and op Ld its tough yeah
But maaaaybe just maaaaybe C2U will decide to nerf some offense units and give us more Defense options hmm
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@frozen spindle
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pretty good progress I think, i'm surprised how far I am off max hero though still 
line below is from march 21st
old marsh
Look at all them gains 🙌
tacit dome
What do you all think about this artifact for seara on defense? I feel like it could be quite good since I'm running a very yolo style offense (Seara clara theomoars)
thin oxide
bomb dmg is good
tacit dome
Does your seara have high acc
no 😔
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does anyone know when siege tourney ends? don't you dare 2 hour me you little shits
thin oxide
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thank you
gleaming vapor
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dull ruin
how's it going?
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you can see
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could I get some more suggestions vs nana nora dom? I think the shren kahli mephisto one is pretty good if I just kill nora first, but I'm not entirely sure what else would be good. i'd be open to more mephisto counters. i thought that shren/kahli konamiya mephisto was fine but i've lost two attacks this siege with it
inland sedge
You can’t use a full fat shren for these I think I ran like a 205 one
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tacit dome
tihs is with speed tower only enabled
@inland sedge i just got chain stunned/taunted by nora + nana until i died.
originally I screwed up and brought teon because I was thinking oh, the revive is safer. that was probably the stupidest thing i've ever done on offense
then the second one i used kona and still had the same problem
tacit dome
inland sedge
I see a Julie 
tacit dome
- Could use tesa lead instead but I figured it doesn't matter too much. Otherwise standard.
- Standard. Learned a lot about piloting from nup. Ty nup.
- Loss - The good news is I can't imagine myself possibly making a sillier comp than this in the future. I was thinking that teon would help with safety with the revive. You know, with mephisto. Oops. I actually did have shren on a decently tanky build but I got cc'd until I lost.
- Loss - I figured I would be fine, just do the same thing but with konamiya. And without shren since I only own one. It was not good. I think next time I will try something like tesa racuni camilla/talc instead. I'll also run the shren/kahli/mephisto team next time into it.
- Standard.
- Scouted, recleaved.
- Standard, not safe but best I can do.
- Standard.
- So this one was interesting. I had two guild mates lose to this. One lost when trying to shoot the covenant, and another lost when trying to nuke odin with some fire unit, I forget what it was. So.. no -wind. So I lushened it.
- I can't believe this is a defense that actually exists in g3.
tacit dome
I see a Julie <:peepoblush:981305729631789096>
I think I've used both julie and lushen in the last 3 sieges lol
The thing is every time I've done it I have not just straight killed all three mons. My DD runes are still very much despair
tacit dome
This was julie/lushen
quartz crescent
For 7.) You can just try Triana Vigor Elucia over Windy, to me it just feels like Windy gives Eshir extra damage from S3
Triana has def lead which is decent still and has a one-hit capability to secure you also has cleanse and sustain to get out of Clara
tacit dome
I actually don't really ever use s2 on windy in this comp
quartz crescent
I meant his initial shield after Clara s3s
quartz crescent
he doesnt do much if you dont do s2 because eshir outside of giving eshir shields for your team
tacit dome
more cleanse is safer
quartz crescent
I feel like generally Triana cleansing possibly+Elucia having odds to not get stunned and just Lock them down is much safer
quartz crescent
As for 3+4 you got the right conclusion, Tesa Racuni+Water Tank is amazing against that just make sure to focus great artifacts onto Tesa and Racuni since Nana on Damage hurts a lot
Tesa on Destroy is also great here since keeping Noras Sustain off of S1 is annoying considering Nana+her can stun you creating more sustain for them
quartz crescent
Well in the end it depends on the comp whether Destroy is necessary
but generally its handy to have
tacit dome
Right.
tacit dome
can we all agree to not talk about the teon mephisto incident?
like that one didn't happen
the game gave me two mephistos so i could bring a teon as my booster
thin oxide
you killed dom first right
tacit dome
you killed dom first right
Yes
thin oxide
yea i dont really know if there is a super safe way to beat this with that type of meph cleave
i think you already know/realize shren kona meph is the best but i've still lost with that
tacit dome
if I didn't know before I definitely know now
tacit dome
i am unsure what to make dupes of next for 2a
i feel like i'm starting to get to a point of where it's somewhat well rounded
could i get a second opinion on what dupes i may be lacking?
thin oxide
maybe kahli? if you have a few of all the basic ones it's really up to you and your playstyle
tacit dome
you know
you're right, we talk about her so often
same with shren
i'll make another kahli and shren
tacit dome
hmmm okay
thin oxide
There’s not many places I like shren as a bruiser. Really the only one that felt good was shren triana hwadam into the Odin Theo stuff from a while ago
tacit dome
I just like to pair her with mephisto since I have two
but you're absolutely right about kahli, I have at least 3 offenses I routinely use that use kahli so
thin oxide
There is no specific synergy between meph and shren
tacit dome
I think she does help with safety after you nuke the target you're trying to kill a bit more than taru does
But dhole energy is a valuable resource and taru is easy to build several of. Plus I don't have infinite high elementals either
It's more about an "element neutral" ignore defense
thin oxide
Yea I just find that it’s either unneeded, or not enough
tacit dome
Understandable
tacit dome
You think so? I feel like the base stat/multipler difference is significant
thin oxide
On my alt for some reason taru gets way more than shren
tacit dome
Is it because of the CR difference in your runes?
thin oxide
So it seems that at low end taru is even better
tacit dome
I generally am using shren with her lead
tacit dome
So it seems that at low end taru is even better
Damn I just got roasted (low end siege player moment)
thin oxide
Is it because of the CR difference in your runes?
when i compare them, if i'm using shren lead then i would compare with taru with an atk lead (i.e. cov)
you can see for yourself where your runes are, in the end i don't think anyone can say that shren will outdamage taru by a significant amount
tacit dome
That makes sense. I've had a couple times where shren has saved me dying on the next turn with mephisto to double or triple procs. That part I value
To me I kind of feel the opposite after hearing it, if their damage is comparable, that would mean I like shren more, since I value the safety she can bring, but yeah, I don't even have the high elementals either way, so I'll just build a taru if I'm gonna do something like that
quartz crescent
Tbh Shren is very niche
inland sedge
make bernards 
inland sedge
roid is v eu meta i think haha - global doesnt use him much right now
quartz crescent
But in the end it depends on your playstyle if you have runes to back it up cleave is free wr
possible yeah we loooove Triana Roid +1 but Meta will shift now
inland sedge
do you use roid into monte
quartz crescent
Roid Triana Chacha into Mihyang Eshir Monte all the way yes
inland sedge
i saw khmun roid triana used in EU finals
quartz crescent
or cleave if info
inland sedge
but we still found you just lose if triana gets targeted
quartz crescent
Thats also fine yes but to be fair I dont even remember these defs
inland sedge
there isnt enough protection there
quartz crescent
I think it was Eshir Cichlid Monte?
inland sedge
mihyang cichlid monte
quartz crescent
Oh thats old
quartz crescent
Yeah Khmun Roid Triana was the main off
Often enough you could get away in 2v3s which was pretty handy but if they are full commited nuke builds and they roll on you its tough yeah
inland sedge
yeah in our finals every single one was vio high dmg everything
and we lost a lot with it
quartz crescent
in EU and global
Afl though they also had that weird Seara Nora Theo
inland sedge
(well more than you want in finals)
quartz crescent
But lemme look what else we had
inland sedge
like i think chichlid AI is bad enough that if we had just committed to lushen every one we woulda had higher wr
even with swift mixed in
quartz crescent
Yeah her AI is atrocious but I guess its still the risk
That deters people
Because nowadays there are even swift Montes
inland sedge
i did khmun roid twice and lushened it twice i think
ya but swift monte isnt a risk to lushen if ur not slow
just cich because b ase speed
quartz crescent
In Mihyang Setups to just outspeed Konas
quartz crescent
If you have Premium Setups like 3 Dovas or so
inland sedge
we got people with 10 miris
quartz crescent
Ahhh Miri hmm i guess she works on some 4* but its still scary her cleanup is so ehh
But yeah into that Mihyang Monte+Non fire its fine if you can contest it not sure how the Speed between them is
Okay its equal terms between them
jolly swift
make bernards <:shrug:1060700900571746387>
Where are you using Bernard’s?
I have two and use both in galleon Bernard julie but is there another place for him
inland sedge
jolly swift
Oops all Julie cleave
inland sedge
There is a few others but i mostly Julie
inland sedge
I have two Julie’s Runed so if I use a third copy I need to swap Julie runes
I have 6 galleons Runed
I swap set for Bernard every hit since speed matters a lot
cunning narwhal
share an example julie? She has been on my todo list for too long
jolly swift
Just tuned ,max cr and max dmg
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inland sedge
ignore the last one
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thanks!
gleaming vapor
@inland sedge can u share the artis u normally use with those julies
mine stats are pretty similar but I'm too scared to use her idk why
thin oxide
you should also be aware that the julie team is not just julie
part of its strength is that both galleon and bernard are super op bruisers that cleanup very well
this isn't like a miri lushen team where if you don't 1 shot everything then you get 1v3'ed because miri dova do jack shit
make sure your galleon and bernard are runed very well. galleon needs to be on vio and have damage. bernard also needs to have damage. you can't give him just flat main stats with only spd thinking he just boosts and nothing else
gleaming vapor
oh yeah I've runed both pretty good as well
since I've read your post
I'm just rly always ultra scared of cleaving
and using snipers
I really need to solve that issue
I guess
thin oxide
just try it out
and understand that the avg julie fight isn't "everything dies to julie"
it's maybe 1 thing dies? but something else is on will and survives, and the 3rd guy resisted the def break and also survives
but galleon bernard clean up
gleaming vapor
Makes sense
Bernard looks like this
if I run him on not flat stats
I guess I'm scared cause he looks slow
cunning narwhal
make sure your galleon and bernard are runed very well. galleon needs to be on v...
ahhh I see. Was pushing for speed on both to get Julie off and it was working ok in testing but yea if Julie doesnt kill like at least 2 then its a big problem. Time to re-eval Galleon again. 😉
tacit dome
How do we feel about malaka sian triana vs eshir monte kinki?
inland sedge
I feel like anything triana just has a decent chance of getting dead to 1 roll triana
It’s like 80-85wr prolly
tacit dome
what do you use into this? still double revive?
i've seen khmun racuni malite but it seems very bad
inland sedge
It’s easier to cleave because no speed lead
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inland sedge
Swift eshir also feels kinda weak here tbh
You can gamble vio eshir and prolly chacha imme copper it
inland sedge
It’s kinda Intel only tho
But I feel like no one runs swift eshir the ai is so dog
tacit dome
surely nobody actually runs
swift eshir without speed lead here
right
that sound so sus
inland sedge
I’ve also seen copper trap Monte but it’s rare
tacit dome
okay honestly if i get copper trap monte'd i'll take the loss
i think these people are all running some nem monte bullshit
inland sedge
Should be pretty fine then
tacit dome
1 - Standard. Still feels scary and would like more suggestions. I only did 28k to grego with +18% dark on my best runes. Maybe next time use covenant lead? I was scared of getting outsped
2 - Loss - Unbelievably bad piloting. Put mikene s3 on teon to have him revive as he was about to die. Eshir s3 -> strip -> lose.
3 - Bad. Hraesvelg sonia/copper imesety shushu
4 - Standard
5 - Awful. Nothing to say
6 - Bad. Triana is needed for this and even then it can still easily be a loss
7 - **Loss **- Good, bad build. Copper needs to be 179 at least or he never gets a turn and thus s3 cd never cycles. Maybe 205 if possible.
8 - Bad. Risky but necessary.
9 - This felt very very strong. Not sure what everyone thinks of it but it was definitely good. Also I am pretty sure I used xing lead but maybe I am wrong
10 - Unsafe. Would like suggestions. Maybe just velajuel on hp% slot 6 and play to live with 100% res? I feel like this wins
quartz crescent
Wanna know whats good against this Eshir Kinki Monte?
Windy Teon Lushen is great if you have the runes
cunning narwhal
1 - Standard. Still feels scary and would like more suggestions. I only did 28k ...
Some interesting counters there. For 6 are you saying just replace Fran with Triana and it is good or would that not be enough? And I really like how 9 looks I would not have though of that combo. How is the monkey built?
quartz crescent
It says replace Fran with Triana yes, but Bombs in general are never the best option
tacit dome
Triana I think is always a bit risky vs monte. She can get low rolled and die always
tacit dome
Some interesting counters there. For 6 are you saying just replace Fran with Tr...
Just pure stats. 0 SPD, 35%+ accuracy, 100% cr on cdmg build with hp or atk/cdmg/HP or atk
I went violent revenge since there is no sustain. If you were hitting something with sustain then destroy is probably better, and ultimately the revenge set is fairly inconsequential
inland sedge
Windy Teon Lushen is great if you have the runes
this sounds sus af - loses to swift eshir and very easily gets dmg checked with no miri and an hp lead
eshir has 13k base hp and hp lead ur not killing that with lushen unless you're hitting a cd eshir
windy 1v1ing kinki is legit tho
tacit dome
how much CR do we suggest runing odin with in odin tesa riley?
tacit dome
you don't get 5 stacks consistently or to start with riley, that is why i am asking
ruby torrent
windy 1v1ing kinki is legit tho
You’re legit
tacit dome
Did I do anything wrong here? I felt like I played properly. I had -wind on camilla, I think next time i should use +water maybe
Here are the runes. I felt like I went in well prepared
I was trying to freeze theomars as he would proc his passive to keep things safe
But i hardly missed it
tacit dome
Here is a recording of the offense we had spoken about awhile ago, susano elucia jultan vs geldnir liu mei tesarion
I made the adjustments you suggested, I think the 50% res definitely made a difference on susano since he didnt' get def broken
thin oxide
i hit this def a few times recently too so i've thought about it some more since then. i ended up using vigor elucia yeonhwa. similar idea but less dmg and tankier
thin oxide
- i know a lot of others have camilla on the slot 4 cr build but personally i like her on CD. she's always the last one to die, you can afford to give her more dmg at the cost of tankiness. even if you don't do slot 4 cd you can keep her on slot 4 cr but use some of those weird other runes with high cd subs but low or no cr
- skillup your windy, no s1 skillups make it really hard to land slow. the slow is huge against both theo and sav
- you tried too hard to perfectly time killing shot on theo with camilla s2. it just took you forever to actually kill theo and you gave the enemy too many chances to string together a bunch of procs which it did
if you want to tunnel on theo you should just commit to it without trying to time things perfectly
sometimes you can also try targeting other stuff first. it definitely doesn't hurt to throw out windy s1's on other units at the beginning and try to see if they're on squishy builds or not and it may end up being better to kill someone else first
tacit dome
1) i know a lot of others have camilla on the slot 4 cr build but personally i l...
- i will take a look - i think that I will just have to fully swap camilla then, this was the best build I could get without full swap, but it definitely seems important to have enough damage when hitting this offense, and going into clara sav theo with half measures seems to often not work
- will do - i actually just built this windy to hit this defense haha. this is #3. i'm all out of jack-o-lanterns!
- you're right, besides, at :41 even if i proc theomar's passive, camilla will get a turn next.
i'll scout more from now on too, will write that down. thank you for the feedback!!!
thin oxide
Other common targeting include tunneling Clara first, especially if she’s on a dmg build (note that most of windy dmg is add dmg so he still does plenty to Clara despite elemental disadvantage)
tacit dome
that makes sense, i also think my windy is just very low damage because my right side is so weak
thin oxide
Or dismounting sav first (her s3 just way too good)
tacit dome
i don't usually go adds left side because i'm afraid of dying
thin oxide
I don’t really know if there is a best way to target this def but there does seem to be not a clear winner
tacit dome
I'll try to poke around a bit more and see
thin oxide
If you’re worried about Theo endure atk buff so much it’s not weird at all just to save him for last
tacit dome
that makes sense
i'm just scared of giving him attack buff then he procs and kills racuni
thin oxide
makeitabud
thin oxide
he's nothing special anymore though
i'm sure you've hit plenty of swc and other ex-leg mali accounts
inland sedge
That account has insane runes
thin oxide
and just didn't know
thin oxide
hitting him in rta is not the same as hitting him in siege
fallow sail
Fortunately the new owner is incompetent
inland sedge
Yeah just saying it’s a stacked account
inland sedge
i'm sure you've hit plenty of swc and other ex-leg mali accounts
Tbf in hitting hurt you expect the ex Mali account more likely than not
fallow sail
Anyways I will admit I don’t like Racuni as the fire unit
Primarily bc base stats
Your loss condition is basically Theo running you over
So your base stats matter a lot more there than most other spots
I think the optimal one is xf?
I also think
A windy a bit above 286 tick helps a lot
Because Clara struggles into multiple buffs
So throwing up s2 before she gets to use s3 drastically weakens her s3
fallow sail
Same as moore
thin oxide
it's not
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fallow sail
One buff
thin oxide
yea but it's not like you ever get immunity again?
fallow sail
Idk at least in my experience the main point to lose is the very first turn
thin oxide
im confused then
what's the point of 286 windy it's not like your windy si outspeeding the clara
inland sedge
Are you running swift windy
fallow sail
And throw up s2
thin oxide
ok so you're saying way above 286 tick
fallow sail
Yeah I run swift windy for this
inland sedge
Or are you putting +180 vio set
thin oxide
i hard disagree with this
inland sedge
Oh ok
thin oxide
1st turn is not the most dangerous here
i mean i think if you have cracked runes it's worth running 286 windy just because he's op
but not for the reason that 1st turn is most dangerous
fallow sail
for me, when I run this a lot of my games start off with the fire unit getting defense broken
Lowering the defenses ability to pick off the fire unit on open
And then immediately controlling the Theo
Has done a good bit of work
thin oxide
i've hit this def a lot with cami windy and have lost to it. never had a turn 1 loss. the replay in question wans't a turn 1 loss either
fallow sail
About a quarter of the time I’ve done this I’ve lost the fire unit on open
Not even kidding it’s a regular occurrence
Mitigating that open has done a ton
thin oxide
i don't think it's worth losing other sets for a swift windy just for t1 protection
plus i dont trust at all most people to build on tick 286 claras
fallow sail
weren’t you saying good players don’t build vio/despair units above tick unless like +200
fallow sail
Sec to rebuild it
thin oxide
randomly clicked through 5 claras on our siege def right now
5/5 not on tick
it'll be even worse at lower levels, you'll have more swift claras there too
fallow sail
I actually did the same and most weren’t even 286 tick lol
thin oxide
anyway i do agree with trying to get a super op 286 windy because he's that good and worth it, and the extra turns and speed helps for sure
but not a fan of the swift
fallow sail
Swift gets more stats is really the reason for this
In general yeah I don’t use swift
But for this specific usage
Where destroy loses its utility
thin oxide
rev exists
fallow sail
I just run a shield swift windy
thin oxide
ok also full disclosure lately i just run helena as my fire unit lol
which is a bit different world than otehr squishy fire stuff
fallow sail
LOL
thin oxide
but i have experimented with all the other stuff in the past like juno, racuni, sin, xf, etc
fallow sail
I oscillate between Harmonia and XF as my personal preference
Rat is cool except base def is kinda sussy
thin oxide
i don't like how xf and harmonia have no defensive passive at all
fallow sail
Yeah that’s fair. That being said, most of the mons with defensive passives don’t bring what I want to the table
Which is either more pressure or more stabilizing power
thin oxide
i just want the fire unit to not die. when i first started using helena i just had a normal cr helena
then i realized i never had a good chance ot transform anyway so just made a full tank helena
and all she does is not die
and that's good enough
fallow sail
Ngl this feels like a pointless optimization bc the whole point of this is cami windy can duo
thin oxide
but cami windy can't
it's op but it does have its limits
i've lost multiple times this season overestimating how good cami windy is
fallow sail
mine are mostly galleon
thin oxide
lmao this guild sucks
i had to scroll through more than a dozen claras before i found one that was on tick
gz to xg i guess
i shouldn't talk though i can't win anything on def either
fallow sail
i shouldn't talk though i can't win anything on def either
I swear there’s some magic trick to it
Even in low g2 I don’t get wins
inland sedge
i had to scroll through more than a dozen claras before i found one that was on ...
What not me?
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inland sedge
I’m on tick 
thin oxide
yea
i don't really consider 15 spd over tick to be on tick
i mean there's nothing wrong with doing so if all your monsters are 15 spd over tick
inland sedge
I think specifically Clara over tick can still catch a lot of lazy stuff
thin oxide
i agree but you can catch that even better by having your dds at same speed as clara
am i crazy in thinking this is really bad?
like isn't it super common to have a support/cleanser at 286 tick on offense
so if your clara is way above 286
and your dds are near it
there's a good chance for offense to cleanse between clara and your dds
inland sedge
Yeah depends
tacit dome
holy cow all my idols giving crazy cool insight
tacit dome
Your loss condition is basically Theo running you over
it does feel scary honestly with racuni, i feel like my racuni is super stacked in terms of stacks (relative to my account - racuni has some of my best runes) but I also think that this was not a normal theomars, this one hit like a super truck
i can make a 286 windy
the destroy set is coincidence, only speed tower on
tacit dome
i can full swap if it will help me get wins, i just want to stop going 9-1 and 8-2, i'm tired of it
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tacit dome
left one is what i use normally
thin oxide
looks good but i think the other optimizations we talked about are still more important
i dont even run 286 windy
gleaming vapor
I don't either
Show your racuni
I do bring only the s1 max skills windy tho
And some acc
Being able to slow Theo/sav makes a huge dif
Theo being my prio
tacit dome
i posted racuni stats
every single defense from both guilds is clara theo sav/narsha
so i have to scrape the barrel at some point
tacit dome
.
tacit dome
only speed tower on as always. do i take the left one? i want to make sure i have enough tankiness here
tacit dome
Also, does Louise need skillups for offense?
tacit dome
I'll only talk about ones I think are not standard or atypical today
#3 & 4 - I was honestly surprised to see hurt running this defense. It seems awful. It felt very very simple even with procs.
#9 - Honestly this offense feels super super super hard to make consistent. I'm 2/2 so far but both times it's felt insanely close and difficult. Part of the issue is I can't make 3 286 violent sets with stats I need. I can only make 2.
thin oxide
just use this offense next time
who do you have the 286 sets on? i think the priority of the sets should be loren > elucia > triana
cunning narwhal
ok also full disclosure lately i just run helena as my fire unit lol
I know its probably just 'make her super tanky' but can you share your helena? I'd like to try her as well after dissapointing runs with Raccuni
cunning narwhal
Thanks!
tacit dome
just use this offense next time
Excellent finally a strong counter!!
tacit dome
who do you have the 286 sets on? i think the priority of the sets should be lore...
Loren was off violent. That could make it more complicated
thin oxide
ahh yea above all else you should have everything on vio
like i'd rather have 239 vio than 286 swift
tacit dome
I don't understand how to formulate some of these counters in my head. I can't figure out how to deal with geldnir liu mei theomars. There's a 33 lead & swift liu mei is a threat, so cleaving is risky. There's two threats, turn 2 is risky since it's liu mei theomars. Tiana is unsafe because speed lead disadvantage and base speed. I tried vigor elucia yeonhwa but then i realized there is nothing that guarantees yeonhwa gets hit, so I lost. it's also hard to keep everything cc'd. I'm stumped. i've been trying to figure out counters instead of asking. what am I missing in the thought process here?
fallow sail
Ultimately this is what defenses have come to
Where there is no simple angle to hit them
You’ve graduated to the point where defenses are very often not cleanly solvable and require either premium units/runes, or clever offenses to hit
cunning narwhal
and also some luck to not get proc'd to death even if you have a workable counter
tacit dome
hmmm okay. I guess this one is just one i can't approach. i know there's like jeanne leo helena but i don't have that option. I don't own dias either.
thin oxide
I don't understand how to formulate some of these counters in my head. I can't f...
how did you lose with vigor elucia yeonhwa?
tesa can only hit yeonhwa, vigor elucia should be tanky enough to not instantly die to lm
tacit dome
it's not tesa, it's theomars!
thin oxide
do you have full shield/will on the team? that helps a bit for first turn, and then aftewards you can control someone (should be elucia controlling theo)
fallow sail
You can probably go with Elucia jultan tbh
Spam sleep Theo and just let LM kill herself
Iirc jultan doesn’t trigger geld
So if you just spam hits onto non LM units you should be fine
tacit dome
I didn't go shield will.. would I go 2x shield will on all?
fallow sail
Don’t have to, just enough to get lms first s3 to not strip the whole team
thin oxide
I didn't go shield will.. would I go 2x shield will on all?
yeonhwa should be shield/will
i guess i was wrong i didn't mean the entire team should be shield/will, you need destroy so maybe vigor can be vio/destory since he's tankier
but elucia should be vio/will
tacit dome
one of the worst sieges of my life, but i think it's mostly just a mental health thing
tacit dome
yeonhwa should be shield/will
got it, liu mei def broke my vigor turn 1 then theomars hit. the other problem is i had yeonhwa on no speed and nothing hit her so i had some difficulties there
going to do a bunch of testing today and bounce back from it, see what i can do to learn and improve
tacit dome
i will still share because, well, accountability be good to have
#1 - Loss - going to try to test this one, we spoke about it already though
#2 - very bad. not much to say, should not have won
#3 - I think this was good. I was trying to figure out why this defense was on a 10 tower and what the catch was but I guess there isn't really one. I was thinking maybe it was some crazy damage clara or some nonsense so I went -fire but it just ended up being a fairly simple defense to solve.
#4 - Not much to say
#5 - Bad. Don't know how to reliably solve this offense without lushen to be honest.
#6 - Fine I think. I was a little bit worried about cichlid killing carc so I made him extra tanky. But carc just ripped through everything. Kind of lucky. Need to test more.
#7 -__ Loss__ Bad. Feels like the defense is bad but I don't know how to beat it. Will test today.
#8 - Bad. Lucksack win.
#9 - Fine, but probably overkill
#10 - Loss Bad. Was not thinking. Just press battle button.
earnest shore
re: 7, I know people used to malite vigor lulu the praha version of that defense. Might be worth testing out Malite over Kunite and just -water on everyone and let the provoke do it's magic.
8: yeah def scalers into ignore def is sussy at best
7/8 have no immunity and 3 units who are passive reliant so maybe test some tesa stuff into it. Something like tesa lulu triana seems like it would work if you just spam oblivion carc.
old marsh
Tesa also has damage reduction and res lead fwiw
I've struggling against Carc Miles x myself. Harmonia has been hit or miss, mainly due to being stripped/stunned, def break and shot down because 100 res means nothing sometimes lol
So intrested in hearing the discussions around Carc MIles
thin oxide
yea wind tank + 2 water is the best way to handle carc miles wind
other common wind include louise or triana but its basically the same thing
your premium version is bolv amelia/aaliyah windy but malite vigor lulu as nup suggested is good f2p option
cunning narwhal
Pulling out Jultan for a rework for the LM towers. Im guessing he needs to be much tankier (more defense?) and try and add a shield set? Haven't touched him since triple wolf was a thing, lol
thin oxide
note that jultan is a bruiser not a tank. he has no defensive skills that make him tanky. as a bruiser he's still perfectly fine into LM as long as LM is the only/main damage threat. but if it's LM + some other DD like a Theo, Tesa, Perna, etc. then you cannot use jultan
that being said i have no idea what that build is lol
most common jultan build is simply triple hp triple rev
cunning narwhal
that being said i have no idea what that build is lol
rofl. It was from a very mean C3 siege defense with him and eshir/vigor like forever ago 😉 Had the best winrate of most of my defenses heh.
But yea my plan to use him would be vs the LM/vigor/khmun type comps and not the theo ones. Just need another component for LM nat4 tower counter
jolly swift
Even into khmun I dont really like using Jultan
S2 into s1 can hurt a lot
Also vigor and khmun provide sustain so id use jubelle into khmun vigor lui mei
cunning narwhal
hmmm
tacit dome
other common wind include louise or triana but its basically the same thing
Wait a second I have Louise. But why am I using Louise against miles? Aren't I buffing him into the next dimension?
tacit dome
re: 7, I know people used to malite vigor lulu the praha version of that defense...
I will test this with malite
Ty for all the suggestions everyone
thin oxide
Wait a second I have Louise. But why am I using Louise against miles? Aren't I b...
no i mean louise/triana/taranys as common +1 to carc miles you'll see on def that's all the same
not that you can use louise on offense here
it's still just malite or windy on offense
thin oxide
yea normally windy is used with bolv
probably would stick to malite if you're doing vigor lulu
tacit dome
I'm assuming malite isn't terribly functional without skill ups?
I have a second one that isn't really skilled much
I do use him
But it always feels much worse
thin oxide
yea malite kinda sucks when he can't continously stay in stone form
and s2 skillups help a ton with that, both with the provoke chance and the cd reduction
tacit dome
I guess I will start saving engraved summon for gargoyles haha :D
tacit dome
I'm assuming TWL is ill advised against the Carcano taranys miles defense?
thin oxide
i guess it can work but its just a weaker form of what was suggested
tacit dome
I understand. I'm just trying to make sure I have options since I'm gonna be scraping the barrel with only one malite skilled
tacit dome
carcano taranys miles
tacit dome
I am pretty sure carcano can see shren and kill her instantly
gleaming vapor
why would carcano target shren if you'l have immu to prevent def break
he'll target meph
earnest shore
no the real fear is that miles just procs and fucking murders shren
since u dont have a booster
and also no atk buff means miles may just walk it off then you're even more likely to see a miles proc fiesta
gleaming vapor
since u dont have a booster
What
earnest shore
woosa meph shren
gleaming vapor
You know mephisto is a booster right
earnest shore
ok let me rephrase it
you dont have an attack buff booster
and also if your meph is built swift to try and race the defense what is your plan to survive a carc with any damage
i guess if you have sick spd hp hp swift sets it might work but at the same time see the other thing i also wrote
and also no atk buff means miles may just walk it off then you're even more likely to see a miles proc fiesta
miles is pretty consistently built like +25-30k in siege
so a no atk buff snipe might just fail
i just don't see this being consistent whatsoever
esp since when i saw the praha variant before or the carc miles louise teams the carc being on cd violent +wind was not uncommon to try and kill a malite, so a mephi whos not nearly as tanky is going to get his ass beaten by that
fallow sail
You know mephisto is a booster right
So
Idk if you know this
But mephisto isn’t boosting a unit high enough to actually kill there
Consistently
Miles is usually pretty bulky, and you’re tuning to a pretty low boost
With no att buff
quartz crescent
I think you can replace the Woosa with a Vela there and that already takes some fears away
Vela taking Miles Aggro while also pushing more and also having some immunity as protection
but ofc Tara can kill your Shren so I am in general also not too fond of that
fallow sail
Regardless it’s not good lol
thin oxide
you guys are missing the obvious
if you want to go the meph route you do khmun meph shren (bruiser shren)
snipe carc
tacit dome
why would carcano target shren if you'l have immu to prevent def break
I guess you can start with woosa s3 here. I feel that's a pretty good amount of damage to ask out of a non atk buffed shren tuned to mephisto but I guess it is possible.
tacit dome
if you want to go the meph route you do khmun meph shren (bruiser shren)
I'll test this one. You think this consistently kills carc with shren S2 into khmun S2? I am assuming you want the tuning done like this since you want to capitalize on the more damage as HP is missing from khmun
It makes sense if it is tuned this way to me
I feel like I'd still be scared of miles ripping off khmun's face. But I guess that would take several procs & you have shren for a lot of safety
quartz crescent
Miles doesnt shred Khmun but you regardless have to be able to kill Carc with Shren because you have to calculate Miles stunning Khmun in I think
thin oxide
Miles easily out speeds meph
You should be able to one shot carc with just shren alone
Unless it’s some super tanky carc but that’s just not going to be common at all
tacit dome
is it socially acceptable for me to devilmon my malite dupe(s)
i feel like I need malite really badly but it feels weird to devilmon him
especially since he takes so many if unlucky
jolly swift
considering you dont cleave, id see it as subbing out galleon devils for malite devils xD
tacit dome
👀
true
i actually have been cleaving quite a bit recently to be honest
a lot of the 4* defenses especially are just too hard to solve without cleaving i've felt
i want like 3 more malites i feel
gleaming vapor
same
thin oxide
no its not socially acceptable to devil malites
there are just too many alternate options you have when it comes to wind tanks
even if malite may be strictly better in some situations
overall it just doesn't become worth it
i.e. windy, yeonhwa, even roid in some situations
tacit dome
that makes sense
thin oxide
carc miles wind isn't really a meta siege def either anyway
tacit dome
it's felt like a lot of the time there have been situations calling specifically for malite where i haven't had one
but i also can't pinpoint those off the top of my head so i can't really back that up with anything
gleaming vapor
You might be tunneling a bit cause you're used to use malite?
tacit dome
oh yeah, i don't mean specifically just for this defense, i've just felt like a lot of the time i've been unable to have enough malite, but perhaps i just need to explore my alternative options more. my yeonhwa is still missing one in S2 though which is super annoying.
fallow sail
Miles doesnt shred Khmun but you regardless have to be able to kill Carc with Sh...
Yeah so the fear I have here
Is carc just staying in stance once or twice
It going miles s1 open -> carc stance -> miles s2 khmun -> carc s1 khmun is really sus
Bc without att buff shren tuned to mephisto isn’t reliably killing anything
tacit dome
Been happening recently to me in some channels
fallow sail
how’s seeg going
tacit dome
Extremely low skill siege today.
- Standard
- I think this was good.
- Standard. This one I know is good because this is a throwback to my first G3 siege - spent lots of time testing this offense.
- Standard.
- I was really happy about this offense. I felt like it was very smart. I came up with it on my own and it felt very strong. I piloted wrong though - I should definitely kill Seara instantly here. I got a lot of extra stats by using the Carcano lead. The defense is probably horrible but I was happy about it.
- I think this was good. I got the piloting wrong because I didn't realize Julianne got dispelled whenever his passive procs. After that I just slept Julliane, CC'd Aaliyah. Kill order was Aaliyah -> Geldnir -> Julianne. Also probably a garbage defense but I thought I did okay.
- Standard I believe.
- Fine, think the defense was garbage.
- I think this offense was good, but I also feel like the defense was absolute garbage. Chacha skogul probably 2v3s this.
- Bad. I still hate this offense and I'm still using it.
@fallow sail
fallow sail
Wtf are those defs
tacit dome
I am all ears for any advice either way 
fallow sail
4 im a tad skeptical of
Because there is a world where seara double bombs -> Nora s4 and you lose Vero
tacit dome
Because there is a world where seara double bombs -> Nora s4 and you lose Vero
#5 you mean?
tacit dome
i actually did get double bombed on vero during this because i went from the wrong one
nono i'm just asking because there's a seara in #4 too lol
fallow sail
tacit dome
i actually did get double bombed on vero during this because i went from the wro...
went for* basically i was piloting incorrectly
i thought i had to kill seimei first
because i was like oh seara is just gonna get revived
but then i realized even if she gets revived and bombs that doesn't matter
fallow sail
Kek
tacit dome
damn
fallow sail
Just wait for her to not have soul protect and kill her
tacit dome
thought it was good offense
tacit dome
you right
fallow sail
Dw it was supposed to be in humor
tacit dome
you're right too
it was an 85% accuracy seara too
which y'know
doesn't help
i built vero 100% accuracy as as high hp as i could
let me look at my stream vod for it
fallow sail
you upgraded to twitch strim from disc stream
tacit dome
@thin oxide How come you don't have high accuracy on any of your carcanos?
cunning narwhal
<@89397611085201408> How come you don't have high accuracy on any of your carcan...
same for Elucias as well. I wanted to ask that yesterday and forgot. heh
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tacit dome
no there's one
also my god what kind of black magic shit is #5
i can't even
239 70% accuracy with 100 res on violent will
cunning narwhal
and still 31k hp with res slot 6...
primal abyss
#5 is completely op wtf
cunning narwhal
But if there is only one elucia with real acc I still have questions. I would have assumed rune swap for some but they are all runed so Im confused lol
And oof I need to make more 2a dupes of some stuff for sure. not nearly enough counters heh
tacit dome
different use cases I guess
cunning narwhal
different use cases I guess
Yea I gfigured as much so I am curious what his explanation will be
tacit dome
the thing is that i kind of doubt he needs the max accuracy elucia for solutions to a lot of the defenses we may
cunning narwhal
/shrug wasnt expecting max acc but was expecting more than like <30%
But I mean tuning your team to your situation is a thing but mostly want to hear the explanations
thin oxide
you only should have max acc against stuff you expect max res on
the most common one being kinki
otherwise it's a waste of stats
like what are you bringing these things into? eshir, khmun, vigor, clara, monte?
none of those are going to be built with res
also i dont know if you're counting acc arti, i usually have 20 ish acc there too for 50 total on top of the 30 base acc you see
thin oxide
i dunno i scrolled through our guild's montes and found only 1 out of 20ish that was max res
sure you'll see it from time to time but it doesn't feel common enough to waste so many stats to deal with that rarity
tacit dome
the only problem is its devastating when they do have max res and i don't have accuracy
tacit dome
of course
thin oxide
that's not devastating at all if i do run into it
especially with carc like
i don't expect my carc to 1 shot a monte even if i land def break
tacit dome
that makes sense
thin oxide
if i mis def break i'll do some dmg and have another round to try to land the kill
for elucia, there's s3 which doesn't even need acc
tacit dome
of course, i know that part haha
thin oxide
the acc is only super critical against kinki, as the point of elucia against kinki is to stun/freeze so you can hit without getting rev
you have to play the meta
the goal in siege isn't really to get 100% win rate
that is impossible these days and has been for years
it's to get 98%
with 95% being good
to get that, you have to make some judgment calls to rune your monsters effectively to do well against the most common ways monsters are built on defs
allocating too may stats in 1 direction is going to make you weak to others
tacit dome
out of these: vs geld ophilia theomars, first one (although this is a horrible counter), clara monte kinki, geldnir aaliyah julliane, khmun monte eshir (although this is also bad)
thin oxide
elucia is already a really squishy monster, most losses with her is going to involve her just dying
same with carc
thin oxide
ok so stuff like vs kinki or vs ophilia - definitely want max acc carc/elucia there
but other stuff especially LM or theo things, don't need max acc
so much more important to have more tankiness there rather than max acc
tacit dome
yeah those I don't do accuracy of course
tacit dome
@thin oxide How would you decide between 286 and 239 carc?
I feel like I can build a fairly solid 286 carc right now, but I'm not sure if the extra stats are better
It allows me to use two pretty great runes I have laying around
I'm concerned I am too squishy. I'm missing one grind for 286 tick which I'm gonna get
thin oxide
what is it for
tacit dome
what is it for
Vs monte stuff mostly I feel
For concrete examples
Khmun monte eshir, khmun monte cichlid sort of stuff
Here are my attacks with carcano this season
thin oxide
i think i actually want more dmg not tankiness for carc in that situation
and drop to 239 so you can do a CD build
tacit dome
I have a pretty high dmg crate build on 239
What sort of ehp ballpark am I looking for?
thin oxide
what you have is fine
but also i don't run the true double reviver comp
only stuff with hwadam or chacha triana
mine is even squishier
tacit dome
I think I'm probably only going to do chacha triana stuff from now on
I've not been impresssed by double revive recently, probably because lack of skillups on platy a bit
tacit dome
These are the two builds I found that I think are sensible
thin oxide
you can try them and see how you like it
tacit dome
Hmm. I am trying it. I got def broken by monte and hit by eshir (trying vs khmun monte esihr) and almost died
Maybe I need -light when I do this
inland sedge
Sleeping
fallow sail
tacit dome
So I was looking through my losses today and thinking more about clara theomars savannah, and I was thinking about one comp I used before and lost with. It was racuni windy camilla. I think windy + camilla is very strong in general against this defense, since a lot of the time savannah will just cleanse the stun clara does off camilla, and you can go straight for clara. I wanted another support, one with a lead skill + adding safety, so I gave triana a shot. It seemed pretty consistent and it helps, but there was one other I tried. I think both are good, but I've tested this quite a few times and it seems very good, it's with harmonia instead of triana. With both builds I do no res, just full tank 239 and -water (i'm sure 286 is better if possible, I can't with my runes without swapping, and I was just doing a test for this). And after testing like 30 times I've found with harmonia especially if you get unlucky and theo goes crazy, it can actually be good for you because you just swap the hp. I tried testing against the high damage theomars variants in my guild and it still felt very safe. I am still trying to figure out the +1 to this comp but they both seemed decent. Does anyone else have any other ideas on what might be a good +1 here? I really like harmonia s3 here and her element advantage for the glancing chance with sav. The other thing I did was put a shield set on camilla just for the small extra chance to keep the harp safe. Sorry for long post. Just wanted to share some testing because this defense is still a pain in the ass for me and I'm trying to figure out solutions I can use, since I have 2 camillas and I really did think when I was hitting it before that camilla windy is a solid answer to the defense.
I initially thought racuni would be good because they can cleanse off the stun from clara, but it's definitely bad, you just get bonked by theo way too easily I feel, and the immunity after turn 1 is really nice from triana/harmonia
thin oxide
you're right harm is good and probably one of the best f2p options
i dont like racuni that much either
i have dupe helenas so that's just my preference now
the biggest problem with harm is that without any passives she can just get locked down and you can't shake off def breaks that easily especially if stunned
like you don't have to get 100-0'ed, you can get stunned, def broken, and then killed over 2 turns (or even more than 2 turns if its despair clara)
tacit dome
hmmm okay. when I was testing I would try to freeze the theomars on turn 1 instead of focusing clara if I was concerned about harm (when theo takes 3 turns on turn 1, for instance)
I know with siege a lot of the times you can test things 30 times and that doesn't mean its consistent
thin oxide
most of that is just because it's hard to test against different builds
tacit dome
But when I was testing it really did feel like it was quite safe, although I need to test more against despair clara
thin oxide
you never know what builds your opponents are running
tacit dome
I try to assume the worst always
thin oxide
i'm not trying to say its bad just pointing out the weakness of it
i don't have a better answer for you anyway
tacit dome
oh no I didn't think so, I just want to keep trying to work towards finding answers because the hardest sieges for me are when it's geldnir ophilia theomars spam or clara sav theo, everything else I feel like I can mostly handle
geldnir liu mei tesa also feels very difficult still for similar reasons, but i haven't seen that spammed yet, i've had a couple sieges where both sides are almost fully geld ophilia theomars and it blows my mind
but obviously clara theo sav is much more spammable and when i have to hit the defense like 5 times i start not having answers anymore
its funny because this was one of the first defenses i think we spoke about when i was starting in g3 siege a few months ago and i still to this day am trying to figure out the answers haha
it really does feel like there is no f2p friendly options
jolly swift
what were the counter discussed for carc miles +1 wind?
quartz crescent
instead of Kona Cov you can use Kona Taru/Shren
craggy hornetBOT
jx9
tacit dome
@jolly swift Here is the discussion
jolly swift
Ty 
tacit dome
hello friends, may I have some suggestions vs harmonia vigor skogul? this is what i've used so far. today I lost vs swift vigor with copper rina
i'm not sure if i should just stick to hraes/logan rina triana for this one. i don't like khmun elucia loren very much.
earnest shore
ppl used to run Khmun vigor lulu into KVS and this seems like a shittier version of that
Since Harmonia does like nothing most of the fight and just destroying Skogul when his stone isn't in the air cripples this team
Should be safe to just run this multiple times. Just feel the team out, run -wind on lulu vigor and -water on Khmun. If it's cd harm then try and send her sky but otherwise just play the destroy game until you cripple Skogul and vigor enough to just win
jolly swift
Is it unsafe to water twins this?
tacit dome
Is it unsafe to water twins this?
skogul drop rock on your head
alternatively, swift vigor
jolly swift
they are designed to live skogul rock + vigor s3
because the defense is old and I remember being recommended the team
thin oxide
i think i'd use it if i had nothing left but it's really not safe
you can't easily kill anything fast between harmonia and vigor support
craggy hornetBOT
jx9
thin oxide
yes
tacit dome
Could I have some suggestions vs sylvia liu mei perna? I tried feng mihael vela and tesa feng lulu.
tacit dome
I felt like both 8 & 9 were not so good as well. Would like some suggestions. #1 should be triana instead of riley and I didn't rune swap and was supposed to.
ruby torrent
i just used jeanne leo helena 
ruby torrent
my battle logs this siege is pretty boring
i feel like you could bolv mo amelia that def right? or
tacit dome
I also don't have bolverk 
civic steeple
Could I have some suggestions vs sylvia liu mei perna? I tried feng mihael vela ...
Susano elucia jultan 
civic steeple
I would sleep Sylvia and kill liu mei first as passive+revenge Hits from jultan should help a lot with that
tacit dome
Got it
jolly swift
Susano elucia jultan <:Aloo:1101542594217005146>
Doesn’t perna melt Jultan?
civic steeple
You run 100 res jultan triple rev -fire so no, wouldnt say so
Like yes, he can
But pretty difficult imo
fallen flare
why jultan over jubelle here
civic steeple
why jultan over jubelle here
Good question
I dont know the answer
You're right jubelle is probably just better
thin oxide
you definitely can't use jultan here, he isn't a tank
most people do use some combination of 2 water + dark tank
storm dune
uncle Jx is there any sign of use for daphnis in siege?
thin oxide
no
storm dune
okayge
warped raptor
May I see someones cha cha ? who does she pair well with and against what defenses?
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jolly swift
This is ents
fallow sail
May I see someones cha cha ? who does she pair well with and against what defens...
use her mostly when you can funnel the damage into a dark unit
Commonly used into Kinki
Against stuff like nana Nora Dominic where the only dd is not a ld unit you can also do chacha + 2 units who the dd won’t easily target
warped raptor
Thanks
sacred moon
I'm building chacha with Spd, hp, hp is it okay..?
tacit dome
No not really
HP/HP/HP or HP/HP/res is the only way
SPD is super inefficient
I did 179 chacha for awhile
If you're new 179 chacha is fine
If your build is somehow best on spd/hp/hp you can but it is unlikely useless you literally do not have hp runes
warm bolt
Any rune advice on a khmun nicki odin defense?
tacit dome
Sounds bad, suggestion: do not rune it
jolly swift
I think the only defense I’ve seen with nicki that did anything decent was nana Nicki sav
plucky isle
you have no real way of stacking odin do you?
tacit dome
Today is it friends, win and we get to tourney
dull ruin
good luck Therion
primal abyss
good luck
old marsh
Good luck
ruby torrent
jolly swift
We are in the same boat, best of luck and I hope we don’t match into y’all
warm bolt
Just came back after 2 years...I'm c2 with decent runes. I need help making some good siege defenses/offenses combinations
Here are my current defenses
primal abyss
Just came back after 2 years...I'm c2 with decent runes. I need help making some...
would give beginnerpvp in #1048681073502068917 a read
jolly swift
^
fallow sail
@tacit dome you really need to rename this thread to Therion Siege Advice lol
tacit dome
<@728158806588129281> you really need to rename this thread to Therion Siege Adv...
probably but honestly I don't mind people coming and asking questions anymore these days
tacit dome
Well we end season with 85.1% winrate. Only up from here right? :')
Not my best work but we'll get there
civic steeple
Gz on 85 wr, that's pretty good
Especially considering it's your first real g3 season
tacit dome
#1, #9 - I still hate this. But it works.
#3 - Bad I think but I'm still not entirely sure how to solve it. I think it is workable but definitely loseable.
#6 - I actually thought this offense was pretty smart. It's weird though and there must be much simpler solutions. I basically always ended up focusing Rakan so it's a little weird there but it felt fine.
#7 - Bad but scraping barrel.
#8 - Very cool offense.
#10 -** Loss** - This was a very high damage vigor. I died instantly on vigor. I actually quit out immediately after when maybe (probably not, but maybe) I could have won because I wanted to signal to team that someone else needed to hit it, because we had to take to prevent tag from happening. Still not sure how to beat this one consistently to be honest.
#2, #4, #5 - All fine.
tacit dome
Especially considering it's your first real g3 season
We'll get there, 90% next season 
tacit dome
Maybe khmun racuni malite works vs that defense. But it seems so scary regardless to be honest
I feel like its the same loss condition, vigor goes ham
civic steeple
Yeah exactly
tacit dome
Never been hit so hard by a vigor in my life
I think it was one of those 286 tick vigors with high CR on cdmg build and +30k hp
civic steeple
On equal runes a vigor shouldnt rip through your racuni or khmun even if he has +fire, as -water can habe higher rolls
yeah it's lovely if a vigor does ~24kdmg on s3
tacit dome
it was more
:D
which was insane
since I think I was -21% water
Idk crazy runes
That person has like best runes in existence or something
fallow sail
I think my first season in g3 my wr was like 70
This was before windy
Riiiiight as carc got buffed
Dark times for the redliner
quartz crescent
I think my first season in g3 my wr was like 70
Good old times when Carc Fuuki was nearly untankable consistently
fallow sail
Good old times when Carc Fuuki was nearly untankable consistently
I think this was pre Fuuki too
People ran like carc Clara sav
People hadn’t found malite yet so he just ripped thru everything
earnest shore
Mine was like 50 bro. I got fucking mauled in G3 and went 2-8 in tourney so like it definitely is a solid start to go 85 LOL
quartz crescent
People ran like carc Clara sav
Oh yeah I remember having two of them and Carc Vigor/Eshir Triana was a meta thing too
fallow sail
Oh yeah I remember having two of them and Carc Vigor/Eshir Triana was a meta thi...
Yeah starting siege then was hella tilting
Because carcano used to just delete shit
plucky isle
Then we got windy 
earnest shore
carc was like superman in siege for a while for me cause i legit couldnt beat this guy
then at some point malite vigor lulu came out and i slammed that shit
tacit dome
I once again am stumped on what dupes to build, specifically for 2as
I feel like I don't need more but I definitely do and I'm just not sure what else to do
Maybe more chachas? I have 3 though
I don't like randomly building 2as very much
quartz crescent
Well the usual ones Roid Vigor Elucia but if you feel like its enough do some Runes perhaps
tacit dome
I have 4 vigors and elucias and I don't use roid much to be honest, I do have two
jolly swift
You can look back at your hits and see if you remember if you wanted X 2a there
tacit dome
I always do
I haven't felt that way for a long time
Whenever that happens I put it on the to build list
jolly swift
Then don’t build more
tacit dome
But haven't felt that way for awhile
jolly swift
I think your trying to compare yourself to players like jx
jolly swift
You just build what you need and if you don’t feel you need more then don’t farm more
tacit dome
I want to be the best siege player I can be
I feel like I don't have a lot of the 4* dupes available for some of these comps
Like in terms of having them skilled
frozen spindle
Like in terms of having them skilled
Most of my pvp 2a’s arent skilled (except vigor) 
tacit dome
Most of my pvp 2a’s arent skilled (except vigor) <:anyways:958495112256688168>
oh yeah, I mean like malite for example, I can't make more malites
jolly swift
Khmun malite and galleon are the common ones
tacit dome
I can't even finish my second one still 
Khmun is fine, I can do khmun without skillups
frozen spindle
oh yeah, I mean like malite for example, I can't make more malites
Oh right, well com2us said that we dont need 4* devilmon 
tacit dome
frozen spindle
I think in certain cases, unskilled malite can still work
jolly swift
Not really
tacit dome
yeah I've used it, it just feels really bad and can lose for sure
jolly swift
Perma statue is insane
frozen spindle
Not really
Yes
frozen spindle
I’ve fucking done it before lol
tacit dome
it's just hard to justify making dupes when I still don't have the second skilled up there
frozen spindle
Yeah i get your point
tacit dome
tacit dome
How does riley not need skillups? I feel like the skill cooldown on s3 is far too long without skillups
fallow sail
How does riley not need skillups? I feel like the skill cooldown on s3 is far to...
Neither of mine are skilled lol
tacit dome
Explain 
fallow sail
Uh
tacit dome
I made 2 more Riley today
fallow sail
When I’m using Riley
She’s usually taking hits
Enough where she has s4 up a lot
civic steeple
Not even pve ld5?
tacit dome
I use in sr5 only
civic steeple
thought it's op for that
tacit dome
Speeds up run by maybe a second
civic steeple
tacit dome
I've tried in gbah/dbah, maybe with insane runes but otherwise nah
tacit dome
:D
civic steeple
Next time it will be sylvia
tacit dome
haha, i don't think i'll get another one
i already have gotten way too many for someone who doesn't spend on lds
jolly swift
That’s not the right mindset
tacit dome
I don't care if I get them or not
There's so many simpler upgrades for my account
It's how I make it so I don't get disappointed :D
I've never been disappointed by lack of ld5 because I've never felt like I was owed one or even really wanted one much
earnest shore
is useless :)
hes actually rly good in gbah
u just have
to build him like a fucking crackhead
and give him the most wicked swift set ever
so he can lap your dd and give you two shots to defbreak
with branding as well so its like guaranteed death if it hits
its just awkward fitting it in without a speed team normally lol
tacit dome
I've tried in gbah/dbah, maybe with insane runes but otherwise nah
this here @earnest shore :D
I just don't have those kinds of runes
tacit dome
As we all know I have great runes!
frozen spindle
trophy ld5 for sure
tacit dome
On what god damn planet
tacit dome
Everyone has infinite rune or what
I don't get it
Someone explain to me how to rune this shit
frozen spindle
like what nup said
its literally just a consistent def break + brand
that pretty much fills deborah void
tacit dome
Like as in I use over icaru?
frozen spindle
yeah
tacit dome
I mean I can try it
frozen spindle
i dont think he has max hp scaling so u prob dont need cdmg
tacit dome
Am I just using him for those two things?
frozen spindle
i believe so
frozen spindle
yeah just try it
tacit dome
Okay I try
frozen spindle
prob the only thing that matters is the speed
tacit dome
prob the only thing that matters is the speed
idk
i'm getting losses with jaara
i can kind of see it
if i had more runes i could one cycle the boss maybe?
maybe i can try a higher damage build on lyn? but then if she doesn't use s3 it doesn't work anyways like
i don't get it
if someone cna actually show me how to use this shit i'd be happy to but it seems to just not be good unless you have super cracked DD runes
i'm getting slower average times than i was with icaru
it really does upset me that apparently i have something strong that i have absolutely no idea how to utilize