silent kiln
I appreciate ur help for my AD, at some point, defending my c1-c2 rank in arena, and i heard that c1 is totally a different realm than c2 and oc above it. I’ll send my box of units that i have, perhaps u guys have some suggestion on what i should put on arena defense. Also FYI, i like to experiment units on arena defense for 1 or more days😁of course with units i have 😌 Also, if u guys can give me some advice on ao with units i have, i do appreciate it 😉
hidden arch
You dont really need a good defense for c1 as long ur rushing
But you can try something like nessa triton +2
Oh wait u have light woosa
Better to wait until someone experienced gives a better ad with him
Maybe L-woosa darion triana triton?
Anyway, focus on your ao for c1
?ao
swift elbowBOT
Generic Arena Offense Teams
Lushen Teams
Bernard (L), Megan, Lushen, Julie/Lushen/Kaki
Shimitae (L), Bernard, Megan, Lushen
Psamathe (L), Bernard, Konamiya/Teon, Lushen
Tiana Galleon Cleave
Core of Tiana and Galleon + 2 cleave/utility monsters
+2 examples: Cheonpung, Kaki, Poseidon, Zaiross, Alicia, Pungbaek, Psamathe etc.
Bomber Team
Core of Seara, Tiana,(Bomber), +1
sand notch
I appreciate ur help for my AD, at some point, defending my c1-c2 rank in arena,...
nigong manon taranys/triana masha/darion
or
psama/vanessa triton masha +1
triton on swift whatever with as much speed as possible and 85% accuracy
for AO
psama/bernard dova lushen +1 bruiser
+1 can also be bernard
silent kiln
nigong manon taranys/triana masha/darion
or
psama/vanessa triton masha +1
triton...
Got it, Therion, thxx a lot 😄
Now i am down to c1, and since 12 hours ago i put this defense, still no attack on my arena defense
silent kiln
Now i am down to c1, and since 12 hours ago i put this defense, still no attack ...
Will update if there is any attack on current ad
silent kiln
You dont really need a good defense for c1 as long ur rushing
Kay, altho i am rushing slowly but safely 
Here are their stats and artis
Also build slow manon like that to tank for arena defense, the set helps a bit for more hp%, laika is laika, riley perhaps need more effectiveness in her artis
Also laika not 100cr for me sadge, ady gem out for cr rate, perhaps need better rune for more cr, but less cd i guess
sand notch
Now i am down to c1, and since 12 hours ago i put this defense, still no attack ...
riley is not taranys/triana
silent kiln
riley is not taranys/triana
Ah, i see… i can put taranys or triana… but riley healing output is more than those 2… or i dont need?
If i put taranys on ad, vio rev/will speed hp def? Also triana on vio will spd hp hp?
sand notch
I'm aware of the difference between the units
The goal is not strictly to get wins. It is to deter people from hitting you. Triana and taranys prevent more than riley does in terms of cleave options for starters.
Your AD should probably be on leftover runes.
silent kiln
The goal is not strictly to get wins. It is to deter people from hitting you. Tr...
Hhmm so if i put nigong laika manon taranys/triana, is it okay?
Laika prevent lushen user i guess?
sand notch
I put the exact defense I would recommend in the first reply
Laika is another option if you want to. Triana especially, taranys and to a lesser extent manon all already deter lushen
silent kiln
Ah kayy
I’ll try taranys first instead of riley so laika taranys manon nigong, i’ll see the ad in actions
silent kiln
Nigong Manon triana masha/Darion is good
I see… why masha tho? Not laika?
narrow dragon
Julie
hidden arch
Julie on ao is extremely common
silent kiln
I see… kay
silent kiln
Now i am down to c1, and since 12 hours ago i put this defense, still no attack ...
So far with this ad, only 2 attack of the same person, the 16 hours ago one and others were my previous ad
crisp rapids
how often you're being hit during midweek doesn't matter at all
people can bruiser you during midweek
personally I would put nessa triton nora nigong outside of the last 20 minutes
late during rush switching to the stally def dead recommended is fine
both defenses should be enough for G1 imo
silent kiln
i see.... kayy
silent kiln
personally I would put nessa triton nora nigong outside of the last 20 minutes
i see... nessa triton nigong jeanne for 2 turn provoke instead of nora?
crisp rapids
imo nora is generally better in that spot
silent kiln
late during rush switching to the stally def dead recommended is fine
full tank and heals i see
silent kiln
imo nora is generally better in that spot
Kayy, got it, crs, thxx a lot for the suggestion, and so, i need to farm gb12 like a lot XD
for triton XD
silent kiln
late during rush switching to the stally def dead recommended is fine
Triana is good for this purpose for ad?
crisp rapids
nigong obv is very good, triana is also good, so is water cookie and other rngstuff
silent kiln
Kayy 👍
silent kiln
nigong obv is very good, triana is also good, so is water cookie and other rngst...
so nigong manon triana +1 (riley or darion or jade, units i have to be tanky)?
crisp rapids
Nigong Manon triana masha/Darion is good
this with darion is fine
but its only for the last 10-20 minutes
silent kiln
Got it 👍
silent kiln
but its only for the last 10-20 minutes
Ah, for triana build, vio will, on spd def hp (+110 speed) or make her tankier but a bit slower, so vio will hp def hp with +70-ish speed for arena defense last 10=20 minutes? Or are there any better build for tank triana so that she can survive more?
silent kiln
kayy got it, thxx crs 👍
silent kiln
youre just looking to live
ah, also is it okay if not 100 res? the res on her only 49 ;-;
crisp rapids
dont worry about res, every ao should be max acc for the stuff that matters
silent kiln
got it 👍
silent kiln
Reaching c3, 1.83k rank points i was in, but then people attack 
@crisp rapids sorry for the ping, have any suggestion for my ad currently? i kinda want to defend my c3 rank 🙂 ao ady fine (just need to find ad that i can beat with my own ao)
now still working on getting more points too hehe
or any1 have suggestion for my ad to defend c3 rank til reset 11 hours from now on 😁
narrow dragon
personally I would put nessa triton nora nigong outside of the last 20 minutes
this
for other times
silent kiln
@sand notch @hidden arch sorry for the ping, need suggestion and help for ad 😁
silent kiln
this
ah, okay, in the future, i need to build my triton and nessa, also 6 star both and triana too
narrow dragon
vanessa triton nora nigong is enough for like g2-g3
silent kiln
I appreciate ur help for my AD, at some point, defending my c1-c2 rank in arena,...
my nora on despair nem, is it okay? speed is kinda low too... only like this, u can see the stats on the picture
sand notch
it's not so much about what your defense is in terms of stats tbh
it's mostly about what your defense is
narrow dragon
^
sand notch
because people are only gonna hit you if they think they can win
silent kiln
Hhmm i always think that if i put any ad, one or more of many players still can beat my ad… except if i put like anti cleave or 1 hit like manon, laika, triana, or bruiser defense like what my current ad is
Also my triana still 5 star, lack of material for now 
Also hasnt fully skilled up… hhhmm is it okay for ad?
narrow dragon
idk what the hp is
silent kiln
Hhmm i always think that if i put any ad, one or more of many players still can ...
Ah the exception is only to make enemy think they have to bruise all the way thru for the ad
silent kiln
Hhmm yeah tho, people ezly bruise
narrow dragon
thats the thing during rush though
most people arent bruisering
so if you can counter a subset of cleaves, your good
silent kiln
Like anti 2 tap attack? Hhmmperhaps people win over my ad coz their only way of winning are only bruising my ad?
silent kiln
so if you can counter a subset of cleaves, your good
People still say cleavable, but i dunno what can 2-3 tap my nigong laika manon riley ad
narrow dragon
its lushen julie food
silent kiln
Hhmm perhaps tho… so tiana galleon julie posei/kaki?
narrow dragon
but you probably wont get leah or kaki cleaved
silent kiln
I see…
narrow dragon
tiana galleon cp julie
silent kiln
Then there is manon… only 15% tho hehe
ah, what about wind string master, yeonhwa for defense?
narrow dragon
idk honestly
silent kiln
ah, okay, for now, i'll try to get more rank points
Back to 1.8k rank points 
w8ing to go down again... later
for the thought of my current ad:
silent kiln
w8ing to go down again... later
ady attacking some players, but ye i just need to w8 for them to counterattack me... 
while going up is getting points, but by losing ad, getting down is faster coz losing rank points are like much more than getting up getting more rank points
silent kiln
Here are their stats and artis
Here are my ad build if u guys want to see 👍
silent kiln
for the thought of my current ad:
- Nigong: one of the best reviver, vio nem run...
so i think, people either bruise all the way thru coz it is not near reset or like julie leah tiana galleon cleave me (julie move first, then leah put the final s2 hit)
Hhmm i have other ad in my mind like what i used in the past: nigong manon darion nora, but i think it is still cleavable by doble kaki or doble julie or bomb ao or others
sand notch
for the thought of my current ad:
- Nigong: one of the best reviver, vio nem run...
nobody plays destroy in rush hour
silent kiln
Ah yes that too, will take a long time while player wanna get more and more points faster b4 reset
silent kiln
arena rank point at last: 1.78k, still c2, need like 3-5 succesful attack so i could reach c3, sadge people still attacking my ad, i still need more ao units other than bruiser units coz c2 ad has many anti lushen anti kaki too i think, so need alternative ao for me...
still feels frustrating i couldnt reach c3 
perhaps i can use dot ao like chloe nora sath dark homu unbalanced field for non-juno ad 
limber arch
ah, what about wind string master, yeonhwa for defense?
you need to build offense specially for that usually, either with will or with immunity
i am more annoyed by camilla than yeonhwa
silent kiln
i see, yes ady seen doble or triple camilla ad XD
silent kiln
Now my ad is complete with triana
silent kiln
personally I would put nessa triton nora nigong outside of the last 20 minutes
Sorry for the ping, wanna ask about the ad for c2-c3 from this:
@narrow dragon , @sand notch , @limber arch any tips for the nessa, triton, nigong, nora ad for c2-c3 or any other recommendation? sorry for the ping 
silent kiln
ah, okay, sorry for the ping
limber arch
accuracy on triton tho
silent kiln
hhmm nora or jeanne better in there?
limber arch
nora
silent kiln
accuracy on triton tho
ah, i see, need to farm more i guess
limber arch
nora is very good, have a chance to beat even if someone bruiser you
silent kiln
nora is very good, have a chance to beat even if someone bruiser you
hmm, nora on ad, vio or despair rev/nem build?
limber arch
i've seen both vio and despair, have seen rev and nem too, i don't know really what would be better, i either cleave or skip 33 triton depends how high i am
upper panther
you're spending way too much time and effort on this
nora should be runed for siege
whatever her optimal siege build is for your siege team is one that will be fine for ad
limber arch
it doesn't even need to be runed to stay in c1 c2, i would advise to work on siege instead
upper panther
it's fine to want to care about arena and not siege
but you should be focusing on working on your arena offenses
not how your ad is runed
that will have a lot more impact on your arena
silent kiln
yes, ady fine for my ao
thats why wanna think up for my ad coz ao ady fine, but ad is like still oftenly fail (or is that usual thing?)
upper panther
it's not and that's what i'm trying to tell you
you don't have enough experience to understand that your ad is already more than fine
and your ao is not fine
silent kiln
i see
silent kiln
hhmm what bout like being oftenly attacked?
upper panther
and how many times did you get attacked in the last 10 minutes of rush hour last week?
silent kiln
hhmm perhaps not much i think
narrow dragon
<@246385218540404738> , <@728158806588129281> , <@278189727843090433> any tips f...
this defense is really strong
silent kiln
like 3-4 attack i guess
upper panther
ok so
your AD is way past guardian level amazing
you probably have a F3 quality ao
given how good your ad is
silent kiln
hhmm okay...
upper panther
and still onl ygetting c2
narrow dragon
you can hit g3 with this def as jx is saying
its literally all a matter of clear speed in AO
i would not hit your defense
silent kiln
I appreciate ur help for my AD, at some point, defending my c1-c2 rank in arena,...
this is my current box, u can think of the ao from these
silent kiln
getting hit 4 times in last 10 minutes
hhmm yeah, actually it is not on the guardian rank yet, i bet when i'm guardian, i will be attacked so many (perhaps) in rush hour
upper panther
?ao is not just a beginner guide
swift elbowBOT
Generic Arena Offense Teams
Lushen Teams
Bernard (L), Megan, Lushen, Julie/Lushen/Kaki
Shimitae (L), Bernard, Megan, Lushen
Psamathe (L), Bernard, Konamiya/Teon, Lushen
Tiana Galleon Cleave
Core of Tiana and Galleon + 2 cleave/utility monsters
+2 examples: Cheonpung, Kaki, Poseidon, Zaiross, Alicia, Pungbaek, Psamathe etc.
Bomber Team
Core of Seara, Tiana,(Bomber), +1
upper panther
these are g3 offenses
silent kiln
this is my current box, u can think of the ao from these
i do my ao like usual, even in rush hour still like any other time
upper panther
build the teams, if something isn't working then show us your runes and what you're hitting and we'll troubleshoot
narrow dragon
how many hits are you getting in during rush hour?
upper panther
offenses will come down to runes
silent kiln
how many hits are you getting in during rush hour?
it is even still in c2 late, not even in c3 early, 3-4 i think
narrow dragon
offense hits
upper panther
there's no magical team comp that's super good, it doesn't matter what box you have
narrow dragon
not defense
narrow dragon
what
silent kiln
coz the enemy's ad there is kinda-stall u know
i only have 1 julie, 1 kaki, 1 lushen
narrow dragon
in the hour you hit 5 defense?
upper panther
show your most used AO now
silent kiln
in the hour you hit 5 defense?
coz i only play like slow cleave
narrow dragon
you should be hitting like 10x that xD
limber arch
you just said your offenses are fine tho
narrow dragon
like 30 ish hits
limber arch
it's not fine
silent kiln
show your most used AO now
sorry if it dissapoints u...
Nigong(L) leo riley +1, not the best the safest i think
upper panther
what disappoints me is not that something is not up to my standards or whatever, its you not listening to what i'm trying to say
narrow dragon
thats not a rush hour offense
limber arch
that's not slow cleave either
narrow dragon
do you have tiana?
upper panther
there's nothing to discuss here
work on 1 team from ?ao
if you need help with it
start a new thread
show us runes
and we go from there
there is nothing left to discuss here
your AD is amazing already. so this topic is done
silent kiln
what disappoints me is not that something is not up to my standards or whatever,...
for the ao? sorry, i still dont have the rune i guess? Or is it just me that i am afraid to build coz usually enemy ad are somewhat tanky and like antilushen?
narrow dragon
do you have tiana
upper panther
it's me saying stop thinking about your ad, your ao sucks, work on your ao
and then you say "my ao is already good"
silent kiln
do you have tiana
sorry, no
silent kiln
and then you say "my ao is already good"
okay
narrow dragon
then look into Bernard (L), Megan, Lushen, Julie/Lushen/Kaki
Shimitae (L), Bernard, Megan, Lushen
Psamathe (L), Bernard, Konamiya/Teon, Lushen
silent kiln
what i can think of for ao from my current box
Ah yes, Shimitae, lemme check
limber arch
what i can think of for ao from my current box
- Psam (L) Megan +2
- ... ?
have u read one message above?
silent kiln
have u read one message above?
ah, from the Dead? Yes
limber arch
then what it is about psa megan + 2, it was not said anywhere here
swift elbowBOT
Generic Arena Offense Teams
Lushen Teams
Bernard (L), Megan, Lushen, Julie/Lushen/Kaki
Shimitae (L), Bernard, Megan, Lushen
Psamathe (L), Bernard, Konamiya/Teon, Lushen
Tiana Galleon Cleave
Core of Tiana and Galleon + 2 cleave/utility monsters
+2 examples: Cheonpung, Kaki, Poseidon, Zaiross, Alicia, Pungbaek, Psamathe etc.
Bomber Team
Core of Seara, Tiana,(Bomber), +1
silent kiln
kayy, lemme change this thread to ao and ad (just a bit), can work with both but mainly focused on ao
upper panther
just start a new post
silent kiln
ah, okay, seems cant change the title
i will go back to this thread once i am fulfilled with ao or i kinda want to, just for the tips 😁
upper panther
i have no faith that you will ever reach a point where your ad needs improving and not ao
narrow dragon
^ monster wise it is strong enough for g3
silent kiln
ah.. perhaps, mayb wanna ask about the rune set i guess for the ad unit
then i can start farming for the runes
but it will be later on, now workin on ao
narrow dragon
vanessa vio will spd/hp/hp triton fast nora vio will spd/hp/hp nigong vio nem or triple nem, not really sure about this unit
silent kiln
👍
sand notch
just echoing what jx said, i've tried to explain before that you really don't need a great defense to get to g1 even
my box is hot garbage for defense and getting g1 during rush is possible for me
the goal IS NOT. i repeat. IS NOT. to get wins on your AD. it is to make it so people will not attack it.
c2 is attainable with a 1 monster defense with a half decent offense
during rush hour, ideally on emulator, it's a bit easier this way
check all defenses, hit what you can
can't hit? close game, open game. you can refresh wings whether it's been the fixed time or not
continue to do so until rush hour ends, and do not hit any defenses that you think you can lose on
narrow dragon
why is it easier on an emulator?
sand notch
can close and open faster
limber arch
never did that
sand notch
your AD is supposed to be on leftover runes. you do not worry about min-maxing your defense. if you have an AD that happens to use your siege monsters
(For example, you have mst)
then you just plop vanessa on top and fantastic, your defense has your best runes. but that is not for the sake of having good runes on AD. it just works out that way.
but it really doesn't matter
people do not hit defenses they don't think they can beat in arena
silent kiln
got it 🫡