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marble nexus Dec 28, 2022, 5:30 AM

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don't 2a a grim reaper.

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?dhole

unborn plankBOT Dec 28, 2022, 5:30 AM

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Second Awakening Priority

2a PvE monsters
Kro → Icaru/Spectra (optional) → Raoq/Vigor
Remember to put tanky runes and 5star the monster your 2nd awakening

2a PvP monsters
Elucia/Lulu/Kahli/Eshir/Lala/Chacha

Rune Dungeon Priority
Lumel → Kharzan/Ellunia → Khalderun → Sacreon

use ?dholeinfo in #bot-commands for dungeon guides and more information.

lone moss Dec 28, 2022, 5:31 AM

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marble nexus don't 2a a grim reaper.

but gb12 dot team?

marble nexus Dec 28, 2022, 5:33 AM

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dot team is not recommended

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check ?justdoit in #bot-commands

lone moss Dec 28, 2022, 5:48 AM

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marble nexus check `?justdoit` in <#252935292074328064>

tyyyy

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this looks mad ez ill be done in like a week ttyytyt

marble nexus Dec 28, 2022, 5:51 AM

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:D

lone moss Dec 28, 2022, 9:04 AM

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hey

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if you do know, does the shannon need to be 2a?

silk warren Dec 28, 2022, 9:05 AM

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No

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ull quickly replace shannon in the team

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basically the first team upgrade will be to replace Shannon with Kro2A

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that only works after uve farmed some GB12 however, since u need extra runes to use Kro2A

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The only use for shannon after this point might be TOA, otherwise she ll not be used

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therefor she also only stays 5*

lone moss Dec 28, 2022, 9:06 AM

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so if i where to leave shannon regular it would still work on the team?

silk warren Dec 28, 2022, 9:06 AM

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yea, Shannon 1A 5*

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as recommended

lone moss Dec 28, 2022, 9:06 AM

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ok tyy

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does kro need to be 2a

silk warren Dec 28, 2022, 9:07 AM

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Yes

lone moss Dec 28, 2022, 9:07 AM

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ok tyy

silk warren Dec 28, 2022, 9:07 AM

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u can keep in mind that u want to 2A him already, so you dont waste dhole energy

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just put your main focus on ?justdoit for now

lone moss Dec 28, 2022, 9:08 AM

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im working on it

silk warren Dec 28, 2022, 9:08 AM

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sounds good.

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?dhole

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wrong command

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?2ateam

unborn plankBOT Dec 28, 2022, 9:09 AM

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# Dimension Hole (Non-Ellunia) 2A B5 Team

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[Verdehile][1] Leader - Swift/Any or Violent/any, SPD/CR/[HP/ATK]
[Loren][2] - Swift/Any, SPD/HP/HP
[Fran][3] - Swift/Any, SPD/HP/HP

[Turn order][→] Loren/Fran → Verdehile
[Targetting] Left → Right → Boss

[1]: Verdehile needs 100% CR, 180 SPD, 85k eHP. Should move after Loren/Fran. Violent is a luxury. Try getting higher Attack so he deals damage. More att/cd means safer and faster runs
[2]: Loren needs 34% Acc, ~200 SPD, 130k eHP. Doesn't need damage.
[3]: Fran needs ~200 SPD, 130k eHP. Acc could help with consistency but not necessary.

* Fran and Loren work on their ?justdoit builds to start off

* Fran needs full skill ups. Loren can get away without skill ups. Verdehile doesn't need skill ups.

* These stats assume no towers. 

* All units should be 6ed to benefit from the extra tankiness. White (?artifacts) can help with tankiness, or if your Fran has very low ATK. Most of these mons have low base DEF so DEF is a good main stat here.

* Building the 2a target (runing/evolving to 5/6 star) can help with speed and/or consistency. (Weak) Fight or other team sets may also help if you have spares and aren't planning on using the monster immediately.

* Clears 3:30-4:00 with L → R → Boss. Can go faster with L → Boss and/or a damage Verde.

silk warren Dec 28, 2022, 9:09 AM

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Ull basically get Loren and Fran just from ?justdoit already

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so u could work on the extra verade while leveling / farming for ?justdoit aswell

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which will then be used to efficiently 2A your Kro

lone moss Dec 28, 2022, 9:10 AM

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dang this server teaching me stuff i wish i knew

silk warren Dec 28, 2022, 9:10 AM

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will also require some Gb12 farming to rune up verde however

lone moss Dec 28, 2022, 9:10 AM

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alr got it

silk warren Dec 28, 2022, 9:10 AM

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yea the whole pve part is basically planned out and can be checked with the commands

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?progression

unborn plankBOT Dec 28, 2022, 9:10 AM

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Scenarios > GB12 > ToaN100 > S+ Ranked Water & Fire Rift > ToaH100 > Tricaru > Bj5 > Lumel b5 > S+ Rank All Rifts

(Text in ?thisformat are commands, type these in #bot-commands to get the guides!)

If you are just starting the game see
?beginner

READ THIS, ?progressionexplained gives a more in-depth explanation of the above progression

silk warren Dec 28, 2022, 9:10 AM

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^ is a general guide line for PvE progression

lone moss Dec 28, 2022, 9:11 AM

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?progressionexplained

unborn plankBOT Dec 28, 2022, 9:11 AM

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Scenarios: clear all of scenario on normal difficulty asap with friend/mentor reps, see ?farmer
Justdoit: work on getting/leveling/evolving these monsters in ?justdoit while clearing scenario to make your first GB12 team (Giants Keep floor 12)

first and main rune farming dungeon during pve
ToaN100: clear this with your gb12 team and a few other monsters mentioned in ?toa
GB12: once u have things rolling can look at ?gb12 to start speeding up the team
about time to look at making ?2ateam to 2nd awaken kro
S+ Rank Water Rift: ?rift-water ability to farm and craft determination runes and get material for reappraisal stones (reapps)
ToaH100: first time you really need to invest into toa, see ?toa
Tricaru: ?tricaru this gives you the ability to farm NB12, DB12, and PC10, though DB12 does not need to be done at this time
S+ Rank Fire Rift: ?rift-fire ability to farm and craft fight runes and get material for reappraisal stones (reapps)
BJ5: ?bj5 the speed r5 team, you can farm NB12 for will runes, farm/craft fight runes from Fire Rift and have options of your bale being on fatal or Rage
?sf10 and pc10 can be done to help yr bale hit his minimum damage threshold
Lumel b5: this will be one of two d-hole rune farming dungeons that you will farm
the second rune farming dungeon is up to you, see bottom of ?dhole
this also plays a part into which dimensional predator runes you will be picking from
S+ Rank Rift Beasts: finish up getting S+ ranks in the other rift beasts, see ?rift-(x) , x being the element
DB12: now is the time you can start thinking about farming dragons with ?tricaru and shifting focus from pve to pvp content. See `?siege-advice

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# Dimension Hole (Non-Ellunia) 2A B5 Team

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[Verdehile][1] Leader - Swift/Any or Violent/any, SPD/CR/[HP/ATK]
[Loren][2] - Swift/Any, SPD/HP/HP
[Fran][3] - Swift/Any, SPD/HP/HP

[Turn order][→] Loren/Fran → Verdehile
[Targetting] Left → Right → Boss

[1]: Verdehile needs 100% CR, 180 SPD, 85k eHP. Should move after Loren/Fran. Violent is a luxury. Try getting higher Attack so he deals damage. More att/cd means safer and faster runs
[2]: Loren needs 34% Acc, ~200 SPD, 130k eHP. Doesn't need damage.
[3]: Fran needs ~200 SPD, 130k eHP. Acc could help with consistency but not necessary.

* Fran and Loren work on their ?justdoit builds to start off

* Fran needs full skill ups. Loren can get away without skill ups. Verdehile doesn't need skill ups.

* These stats assume no towers. 

* All units should be 6ed to benefit from the extra tankiness. White (?artifacts) can help with tankiness, or if your Fran has very low ATK. Most of these mons have low base DEF so DEF is a good main stat here.

* Building the 2a target (runing/evolving to 5/6 star) can help with speed and/or consistency. (Weak) Fight or other team sets may also help if you have spares and aren't planning on using the monster immediately.

* Clears 3:30-4:00 with L → R → Boss. Can go faster with L → Boss and/or a damage Verde.

lone moss Dec 28, 2022, 11:06 AM

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if i dont have to 2a shannon do i still have to max out her skills?

umbral crown Dec 28, 2022, 11:07 AM

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The ?justdoit guide covers that

lone moss Dec 28, 2022, 11:09 AM

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it doesnt say if we have to 2a tho

umbral crown Dec 28, 2022, 11:10 AM

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Does it say you have to 2a

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Is the Shannon pick in the guide the 1a or 2a version

lone moss Dec 28, 2022, 11:11 AM

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oh i see i was just making sure ty

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its the 1a

silk warren Dec 28, 2022, 11:13 AM

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ud still like skill ups on her however. at least S3

marble nexus Dec 28, 2022, 11:28 AM

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skill ups help for sure

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they're also farmable from SD

lone moss Dec 29, 2022, 1:26 AM

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does anyone know how the gb12 team is gonna average

supple harness Dec 29, 2022, 1:38 AM

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lone moss does anyone know how the gb12 team is gonna average

?gb12

unborn plankBOT Dec 29, 2022, 1:38 AM

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Order the GB12 team is upgraded and avg times

Sig Vero Fran Loren Shannon 3:00
Sig Vero Fran Loren Kro(2A) 1:20-1:50
Sig Vero Hraes Loren Kro(2A) 1:00-1:20
Lushen Vero Hraes Loren Kro(2) 0:24-1:00

=New players see ?justdoit =
=Returning players See below=

Sig - SPD/CD/[HP/ATT], 85% CR, 80k ehp, 140+ spd, [att/hp/def] artifacts depending on needs
Fran - SPD/HP/HP, 130k ehp, 180+ spd, 2 def artifacts
Loren - SPD/HP/HP, 130k ehp, 200+ spd, 2 def artifacts
Shannon - SPD/HP/[HP/DEF], 180+ spd, 60k ehp
Vero - SPD/HP/HP, 180+ spd, 100k ehp
Kro(2A) - SPD/CD/ATT, 85% CR, 140 spd and moving after Sig, 80K ehp, [att/hp/def] artifacts depending on needs

acc makes runs more consistent, aim for 54% on all supports (loren,fran,vero,shannon)
Turn order loren > Fran/vero/shannon > sig > kro(2A)
Vero and shannon stay 5*

STEPS TO IMPROVING GB12 (TEAM #2 AND BELOW) - spds are in combat spd

Must reach near average time of current team before moving to the next one
Vero can be moved to a bruiser build

SPD/CD/[HP/ATT], 80k ehp but tankier is safer, 85% CR, 180+ spd, [hp/def/att] artifacts depending on need
Vero can now become 6*'ed and is worth devilmoning

Improving Sig to his ?toa build along with reaching the same stats as above
Getting kro to or close to 169 (with max spd totem, only needs 45 spd from runes to hit 169 combat spd)
Hraesvelg replaces fran

Stats should be - SPD/CD/HP, 130k ehp, 169 spd and moving before sig and kro, 70+ CR, rest into att/CD

Turn order for team #3: Loren > vero > hraes > sig > kro(2a)

WHEN TO ADD LUSHEN TO MY GB12 TEAM

when you get toward the end of progression, hit 10.3k per card with skill 3 and get him to at least 170 combat speed

robust nexus Dec 29, 2022, 1:44 AM

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gb12 Team questions

lone moss Dec 29, 2022, 1:55 AM

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!sf12

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?sf12

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what is ehp?

umbral crown Dec 29, 2022, 2:01 AM

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?ehp

unborn plankBOT Dec 29, 2022, 2:01 AM

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Effective HP (eHP)
A function of health and defense that relates to the amount of damage that can be taken under normal conditions.
Defense Broken HP (D.eHP)
Another factor of EHP that relates to the amount of damage that can be taken while DEF broken.
Both can be checked with the command /ehp TotalHP TotalDEF (use in #bot-commands).

lone moss Dec 29, 2022, 4:05 AM

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is the only way to get Hraes through a scroll?

robust nexus Dec 29, 2022, 4:10 AM

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guild magic shop pieces as well

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is also worth using 20 almighty pieces to summon if you can get 30 wind barb pieces, as well

lone moss Dec 29, 2022, 4:15 AM

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oh alr

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is there any in depth guide on how to make the lushen or no

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bc im abt to get him from the even

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t

robust nexus Dec 29, 2022, 4:18 AM

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for what?will u be using lushen for

lone moss Dec 29, 2022, 4:24 AM

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?gb12

unborn plankBOT Dec 29, 2022, 4:24 AM

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Order the GB12 team is upgraded and avg times

Sig Vero Fran Loren Shannon 3:00
Sig Vero Fran Loren Kro(2A) 1:20-1:50
Sig Vero Hraes Loren Kro(2A) 1:00-1:20
Lushen Vero Hraes Loren Kro(2) 0:24-1:00

=New players see ?justdoit =
=Returning players See below=

Sig - SPD/CD/[HP/ATT], 85% CR, 80k ehp, 140+ spd, [att/hp/def] artifacts depending on needs
Fran - SPD/HP/HP, 130k ehp, 180+ spd, 2 def artifacts
Loren - SPD/HP/HP, 130k ehp, 200+ spd, 2 def artifacts
Shannon - SPD/HP/[HP/DEF], 180+ spd, 60k ehp
Vero - SPD/HP/HP, 180+ spd, 100k ehp
Kro(2A) - SPD/CD/ATT, 85% CR, 140 spd and moving after Sig, 80K ehp, [att/hp/def] artifacts depending on needs

acc makes runs more consistent, aim for 54% on all supports (loren,fran,vero,shannon)
Turn order loren > Fran/vero/shannon > sig > kro(2A)
Vero and shannon stay 5*

STEPS TO IMPROVING GB12 (TEAM #2 AND BELOW) - spds are in combat spd

Must reach near average time of current team before moving to the next one
Vero can be moved to a bruiser build

SPD/CD/[HP/ATT], 80k ehp but tankier is safer, 85% CR, 180+ spd, [hp/def/att] artifacts depending on need
Vero can now become 6*'ed and is worth devilmoning

Improving Sig to his ?toa build along with reaching the same stats as above
Getting kro to or close to 169 (with max spd totem, only needs 45 spd from runes to hit 169 combat spd)
Hraesvelg replaces fran

Stats should be - SPD/CD/HP, 130k ehp, 169 spd and moving before sig and kro, 70+ CR, rest into att/CD

Turn order for team #3: Loren > vero > hraes > sig > kro(2a)

WHEN TO ADD LUSHEN TO MY GB12 TEAM

when you get toward the end of progression, hit 10.3k per card with skill 3 and get him to at least 170 combat speed

lone moss Dec 29, 2022, 4:24 AM

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gb12

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Lushen Vero Hraes Loren Kro(2) 0:24-1:00

robust nexus Dec 29, 2022, 4:24 AM

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see the very bottom

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the very first few words

lone moss Dec 29, 2022, 4:25 AM

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oh alr

robust nexus Dec 29, 2022, 4:25 AM

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reason being

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you have a multitude of other dmg dealers that need runes

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2 very big ones being tricaru verde and bale for bj5

lone moss Dec 29, 2022, 6:44 AM

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where in the guild shop is hraes

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ohh nvm u meant the guild magic shop

lone moss Dec 29, 2022, 7:47 AM

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what runes do i use on kro

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like set wise

supple harness Dec 29, 2022, 10:01 AM

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Set doesnt matter

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?dd

unborn plankBOT Dec 29, 2022, 10:02 AM

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Early game Damage Dealer (Lushen, Kro, Lapis, etc.)
ATK/SPD CD ATK (Slot 2 SPD if not enough SPD from substats)
~85+ CR
Preferred 140+ speed
Rest in ATK/CD (balance: Bonus ATK = Total CD)
Set doesn't matter, whatever combination gives best stats.

lone moss Dec 29, 2022, 10:19 PM

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?progressionexplained

unborn plankBOT Dec 29, 2022, 10:19 PM

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Scenarios: clear all of scenario on normal difficulty asap with friend/mentor reps, see ?farmer
Justdoit: work on getting/leveling/evolving these monsters in ?justdoit while clearing scenario to make your first GB12 team (Giants Keep floor 12)

first and main rune farming dungeon during pve
ToaN100: clear this with your gb12 team and a few other monsters mentioned in ?toa
GB12: once u have things rolling can look at ?gb12 to start speeding up the team
about time to look at making ?2ateam to 2nd awaken kro
S+ Rank Water Rift: ?rift-water ability to farm and craft determination runes and get material for reappraisal stones (reapps)
ToaH100: first time you really need to invest into toa, see ?toa
Tricaru: ?tricaru this gives you the ability to farm NB12, DB12, and PC10, though DB12 does not need to be done at this time
S+ Rank Fire Rift: ?rift-fire ability to farm and craft fight runes and get material for reappraisal stones (reapps)
BJ5: ?bj5 the speed r5 team, you can farm NB12 for will runes, farm/craft fight runes from Fire Rift and have options of your bale being on fatal or Rage
?sf10 and pc10 can be done to help yr bale hit his minimum damage threshold
Lumel b5: this will be one of two d-hole rune farming dungeons that you will farm
the second rune farming dungeon is up to you, see bottom of ?dhole
this also plays a part into which dimensional predator runes you will be picking from
S+ Rank Rift Beasts: finish up getting S+ ranks in the other rift beasts, see ?rift-(x) , x being the element
DB12: now is the time you can start thinking about farming dragons with ?tricaru and shifting focus from pve to pvp content. See `?siege-advice

lone moss Dec 30, 2022, 7:57 AM

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?tricaru

#gb12 Team questions