#[ARCHIVED] Siege Advice (Starting Season of December 2022)
tranquil junco
tranquil junco
Idk I have enough of those I don’t care for another
tough rose
If the rune rolling absolutely perfectly does nothing for you
that is how i think about it
carmine mason
I think a lot of people have bad imagination tho
tough rose
like i get a vamp slot 1 4 spd flat hp flat atk
i sell
tough rose
that's true
carmine mason
I feel like rolling a 3/6 is so cheap and quick
I get more picky about going to 9
Also unlimited mana tho
tough rose
mana starved gamer always
gaunt torrent
honestly, i just roll everything to 9, mana is so free
makes filtering so much easier instead of trying to figure if going from +6 to +9 is worth it for each rune when restarting a run
i saw mention of bethony (dark magical archer) in this chat, is she useful?
shell vapor
i saw mention of bethony (dark magical archer) in this chat, is she useful?
ye she’s v good
big damage single target ignore def nuker
that can kill thru triana
gaunt torrent
any specific comps to run her with? i can see something like:
vio shield/will bethony
megan/bastet/chloe
X
unique flame
any specific comps to run her with? i can see something like:
vio shield/will be...
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Diliskar
tough rose
R1 - Win
This didn't feel totally safe. Maybe Jubelle > Chacha here. The Mimirr hit really hard.
summer stone
Yeah chacha is never getting a turn with the Loren
gentle condor
that's her role here tho
tough rose
R2 - Lose
This was poor. Never seen this defense before. Eshir can S3 and strip bulldozer and then it's very awkward because if I don't resurge copper then I can lose to anticrit from vigor. I think Khmun copper imesety would be fine here.
summer stone
Can just triana/Olivia copper imensity too
tough rose
Don't have infinite trianas
summer stone
No fire threat means you can double wind chacha/jubelle too
Or bomb
Or Chloe water twins
tough rose
R3 - Win
I just realized i'm playing against a strange guild that only uses one monster family defenses. I think this is excellent against the "only oracle" defense (works great if laima is seara also). I've seen it twice and this seems to be the most reliable counter.
tough rose
R2 - Lose
This was poor. Never seen this defense before. Eshir can S3 and strip ...
Ended up using TWL here to beat this defense twice. Worked well.
R5 - Win
I think that I should have switched lala from revenge to will just in case savannah takes turn 1, defense breaks and several procs.
Was going to do this but someone sniped my reserve
R6 - Win
Pretty straightforward I think.
R7 - Win
I think this one is straightforward also. I actually did something interesting here because I know I don't have any good +light with water, so I used sonia on +light and covenant on +water.
full dragon
R7 - Win
I think this one is straightforward also. I actually did something inte...
That's the ideal artifact setup if you're going to snipe a Nigong, Sonia dmg is huge
tough rose
Ah. Just because her multipliers are higher too.
Right.
Have to remember that I should be using sonia to snipe the tankier monster.
tough rose
R3 - Win
I just realized i'm playing against a strange guild that only uses one ...
@shell vapor :D
I have actually played against the triple oracle before and lost, so i learned there dog rat rock is good
shell vapor
tough rose
g1 adventurer
tough rose
R8 - Win
I think Chloe is much better but both work. I don't have chloe built yet. Switched runes to as much stats and low speed as possible.
drifting hearth
Why not just use tesa
isn't water twins a bit risky if leo survives with low hp and 2nd skills
drifting hearth
oh makes sense me dumb
tough rose
I think it's very unlikely leo 1v3s
Think it's about as safe as I can get there.
I also built the twins bulky to withstand a few hits since there's a leo and I can just remove all speed
drifting hearth
got it
tough rose
would like some input on how you'd beat this defense
i heard carcano atk/atk/atk swift songseol triana
or illiana hanra but that's not exactly f2p friendly
any other ideas?
also with TWL vs MST, do you prefer a violent tractor?
unique flame
triana chacha whatever
odin with no atk buff is much less dangerous
violent tractor is preferred for everything
drifting hearth
triana chacha carcano should work
at least that's what I do and ye atk and no c dmg carc
tough rose
that sounds sensible too
drifting hearth
I'm just g1 too but that never failed to me
unique flame
random nat 5 bruisers like seara, miles, feng, etc can be used too
drifting hearth
since you've mentioned FY, I saw you run him oh dif builds, normal one and 100% res, do you mind to explain where you use either and which one you'd go with if you only had one FY?
@unique flame
unique flame
the one i use most often is max res destroy
so that would be my recommendation if i had only 1
it's pretty simple to decide when to use what
destroy vs will and 100 res vs no res are both independent decisions
destroy is used against any comp that has sustain. will is used against those yolo defs like clara theo sav
no res build is used into nana or other things you'd expect would have high acc. res build is much more common and used against bruisers who aren't going to be runed with high acc. like theo.
drifting hearth
Thank you very much you're the goat ^_
tough rose
random nat 5 bruisers like seara, miles, feng, etc can be used too
i guess it's fine with seara because she brings the speed lead too? i feel like it would be annoying to get walled by immunity
unique flame
seara with add dmg does plenty of dmg without bombs
you easily kill odin in a few turns without even bombing. and gaps in immunity will happen quite often when everyone is on vio
also you do have a strip with chacha
the spd lead is whatever
tough rose
i see.
tough rose
Worth keeping a dupe coco?
tough rose
I think this is poorly piloted. Would like some guidance
I think turn 1 I'm supposed to sleep bastet to stop her from buffing. I was worried khmun would hit elucia but he should not according to AI rational
Then afterwards I oblivion the odin, I keep khmun frozen with elucia & try to put oblivion on both odin and khmun
tranquil junco
did bastet just use s2?
no procs right
so
my piloting there would have been actually
open: cleanse tesarion
tesa s2 odin, lands def break + oblivion
ideally at least
triana moves next, cleanse self
assuming odin gets buffed
5 stack sees def broken + low elucia
goes for kill, triana stops
so you either have
odin at 3 stack, buffed, with oblivion + def break
or odin at 0 stacks, buffed and triana cooldown active
tough rose
did bastet just use s2?
yeah she just used s2
tranquil junco
yeah
given your turn order
cleanse tesa
tesa s2 odin
triana self cleanse
would have been my line
tough rose
haha
could I get some suggestions for this? i mistakenly thought lala provided immunity on s2, but either way i think lala was a bad choice here
unique flame
i think you need something to deal with the provoke here
tranquil junco
loganh tetra wind support
unique flame
otherwise you will get double countered each time
and lose your dds
the issue with tetra is that she is going to get 3v1'ed here and isn't the best tank
tranquil junco
i use delphoi with logan but fair
tough rose
i'm not entirely sure what else can deal with the provoke, i'm trying to think of something that doesn't sound outlandish
tranquil junco
you can also probably copper this in some manner tbh
unique flame
vero or racuni are the other 2
tough rose
i was going to say vero but i thought that sounded insane
tough rose
has he?
tranquil junco
ya
tough rose
mind you there's many years of gaps within my knowledge
unique flame
copper dozer should be great actually
tough rose
it makes sense to me
unique flame
copper chandra, dozer jeanne
tranquil junco
just.... make sure will
bc even though its the boonies, madmen with swift chandra do exist
tough rose
on all 3. got it.
tough rose
so logan rina veromos could work?
unique flame
might be low on heal, racuni here might be better
also if you have seara or some other cool nat 5 bruiser its better
tough rose
ah
unique flame
than logan
tough rose
hold on
there was something i read that made me think it was not ideal from beginner pvp
i think that i ended up not compartmentalizing a few things
the first one being that it not being recommended in bomb teams doesn't mean it's not recommended
unique flame
basically i think while something like logna vero rina will win most of the time
i can see bad rng causing most of your team to be cc'ed and you just slowly die from lack of heals
tranquil junco
so something to consider about seara
is her bombs ignore element
and go thru hug/manon
tough rose
ahhhh
tranquil junco
bombs also dont trigger geldnir
unique flame
or also if you use a fire bruiser instead of wind
tranquil junco
if they set off naturally
unique flame
you can feel better about not hitting xing
unique flame
and just eating his counters
yea kaki or khmun
john 🙂
bombers are great here personally i would have fun with this and use fran liebli triana
tranquil junco
ngl having two fully skilled kakis is such a nice qol
tough rose
i'm assuming right is better here for seara?
unique flame
not too much different
tough rose
alright
unique flame
dont stress it
tranquil junco
it honestly amuses me wind has 3 bruisers who all completely ignore element
and most ppl dont use them for that
spiral dome
it honestly amuses me wind has 3 bruisers who all completely ignore element
what do you mean exactly?
tranquil junco
what do you mean exactly?
logan s3, seara s2, dom s3
all completely ignore element
and ppl dont exploit that nearly as much as id expect
unique flame
skogul?
if you count dom you have to count feng too
every element has a bunch i dont think wind is unique here
spiral dome
what do you guys play into seara nora kinki? does logan play a role?
unique flame
what do you guys play into seara nora kinki? does logan play a role?
this one's tough. most people do some sort of dark tank + 2 fire bruisers/supports
or replace a fire support with a tetra
spiral dome
this one's tough. most people do some sort of dark tank + 2 fire bruisers/suppor...
are trasar/icares useable dark tanks? or is it only jultan/jubelle/chacha?
unique flame
streaming siege now btw
tough rose
streaming siege now btw
thank you for streaming, i watched a lot of it, it is always very educational ♥️
tough rose
he just does it when he has time usually
tranquil junco
Jx streams are sporadic
tough rose
i'd stream my siege but i'm not sure anyone would watch :D;;
drifting hearth
I would!
tough rose
3/10/2023 siege & previous
vs Harmonia, Vigor, Roid
Bulldozer Copper Imesety
I think works fine, it could lose to swift vigor if I ran into someone crazy enough to do that but that's a risk I'm willing to take there. The problem is my bulldozer is just not good, plain and simple
Logan Triana Rina
I think this is not the best either, I can 100% lose to procs here.
Solution: I think water tank + double wind bruiser is the safest option here. Hraesvelg, cdmg triana, rina seems like a good second option with copper bulldozer if I can improve copper bulldozer.
vs Mo Long, Betta, Narsha
Leo riley roid
was silly, after I did it I felt really dumb to be honest
Covenant Praline Sonia
The next one was unfortunate, my covenant did not one shot mo long. I tried to use covenant to kill mo long since I figured it was more likely that there was gonna be -wind on mo long which could prevent me from 1 shotting him. (remember next time to swap atk artifact also)
Seara Triana Chacha
We were speaking before in the thread about how seara is excellent and underutilized as a wind bruiser. I figured I'd give her a try since I thought with destroy cdmg triana I should be able to burn through mo long. This is where you can see I made a big error. I was supposed to go for betta first. But when I think about it like this I'm not sure that just the add damage would be enough, especially considering that betta has anti-crit built in and there's a good chance she's on 100% res, in which case it just doesn't work well.
Solution: I think Galleon Tiana Cheongpung is probably my best bet, but I had already used it. I do not have another solution. I think in the future I will have to skip this defense if I see it again and Galleon Tiana Cheongpung is used. Double snipe could work with better runes but I don't really plan on farming more DD runes for awhile, and I plan on retiring covenant/praline/sonia offense next season. I think I probably need to almost exclusively play bruiser next season for my debut in g3.
Vs Amber Nora Savannah
Tesa Lala Camilla
This was just poor in general. I thought about it in my head but it did not play out in any way the way I thought it would in my head. I did not think that tesa would die before getting a turn here, but he melted, same with lala.
Vero Lulu Feng Yen
This one was actually not terrible- I think that if I runed this properly it could be a bit better, but I'm still sure there are better ideas. I think if I had juno instead of vero then this would be a very good team, with feng taking the lead skill slot. what was terrible was how I runed it. I put vero on a fairly squishy bruiser build and he just ended up dying. I think all I really needed was veromos to be tankier. I actually almost won this despite enemy getting many many procs. But almost does not count.
Solution: I'm puzzled with this one honestly still. No solution yet.
VS MST
TWL
To be honest I was pretty frustrated at this point with myself and I forgot to give lulu -dark and I lost.
I think that there are also better and safer counters. I kind of was really upset with myself at this point already to be honest and just wanted to be done with siege. I think the worst siege I'd had before this was 5-5. So losing 6 times already made me kind of mentally check out there.
Solution: Do not be a tilted idiot
tough rose
**Vs Amber Nora Savannah**
__Tesa Lala Camilla__
This was just poor in general. ...
This amber nora savannah defense, I would like suggestions against
drifting hearth
We seem to be goin through the same stuffs lmao
not happy enough with dd runes > switching to bruiser while trying to get into g3 siege > lose free attacks thanks to being tilted
I had my worst siege ever today too lol
shell vapor
__Logan Triana Rina__
I think this is not the best either, I can 100% lose to pr...
Into harm vigor roid triana +1 + rina is standard
so ur team was good
avoid hitting roid in the end because they have revenge a lot of the times
kill vigor first
real vault
Mo Betta narsha you can lushen, or similar to the harm vigor roid def, you bring 2 wind bruisers and a dark tank (usually chacha)
Could also do tesa chacha triana (something along the lines of that)
ripe kraken
This amber nora savannah defense, I would like suggestions against
I feel like you can carcano Kona lushen this
tough rose
I feel like you can carcano Kona lushen this
Ahh. got it.
proud shale
Does Juno work well against Amber if yes Leo Juno Racuni
Never saw Amber here on def
or Leo Lala Juno or so hmm
tough rose
I had my worst siege ever today too lol
tough rose
avoid hitting roid in the end because they have revenge a lot of the times
I couldn't tell what I was doing wrong here, it felt like logan was just tickling but it must be rune quality or smth
proud shale
No idea about that def since I never saw that but Khmun+Loren Elucia could work
tough rose
If you don't know pls let someone else give advice =)
proud shale
I mean I am not that dumb
Okay didnt make it to tourny this season but regardless you can just shut the roid down with Loren
and sleep Vigor
and Khmun destroy stall the Harmonia
tough rose
it's not about intelligence, I would just rather have answers from people that have more experience with it.
don't get personally offended pls :)
proud shale
I mean I dont mind getting berated by other people too who have faced that def more
tough rose
nobody gonna berate anyone here
shell vapor
I couldn't tell what I was doing wrong here, it felt like logan was just ticklin...
Can u show Logan build
Also make sure u are using s1 first to get atk buff before you combo
unique flame
harm vigor roid - you have the right idea. you'll have to show replays or runes of your specific mons like dozer or logan if you think something wrong is happening. you'll never see swift vigor don't worry about that. although there may be some cracked players with a vio set faster than your swift set lol. your standard double snipe comp (like cov kahli praline) is another offense you can use against this, it's basically same thing as copper dozer.
mo betta narsha - you are right in your analysis that tiana cp is the best vs this, no question. sniping it with something else is a bit dangerous since betta has high base spd and is possible for her to be on swift. bruisering it out is also not really recommended. theres lots of variants of dark tank + 2 wind that can have decent win rate but narsha is extremely hard to tank no matter what.
amber nora sav - tesa lala camilla is actually one of the more popular counters against this sort of def. you should show a replay and/or builds. maybe you misplayed. but i do agree it's not the safest. it's never going to be safe when your only source of cleanse is a lala vs nora. you could try using a secondary cleanser/support instead of tesa such as XF or Kumar. or if you have Juno then it becomes pretty free. the problem with non-fire cleaners like vero or tetra is that they can die easily to a few sav procs
also for this def specifically you could just carc lushen it
twin gate
use khmun instead of carc imo for amber nora sav then just lushen it
ripe kraken
Oh true
twin gate
odds of amber being a lushen trap arent high and khmun pretty reliably deals with nora sav from my experience
twin gate
add by hp on his right side will do a number too incase nora decides to provoke you 29 times in a row
and the spam heal block makes it only a matter of time before you kill her
proud shale
But make sure its Teon over Kona if Khmun but if you only have Kona get Will on Lushen+Kona at least I think
Its rare but IF swift Sav your slightly losing with Khmun Lead + Kona , Teon has the speed edge
If you have Dova forget all of it
Maybe 1+2 cents extra if you are paranoid (its less likely than a Swift Vigor)
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tough rose
Also make sure u are using s1 first to get atk buff before you combo
Yes, I make sure I do
tough rose
yeah I definitely loaded old runes
i noticed my leo is on a poor build as well that i had redone
i'll go through and redo him, logan and some others and post it here
tough rose
harm vigor roid - you have the right idea. you'll have to show replays or runes ...
I think i'll probably start recording my sieges just so that I can have replays to look back on every time so it's easier to see. I think tesa was on a build that was definitely too squishy, but I didn't really feel like lala was too squishy that they should die in one turn. Is lala supposed to be runed on will in these situations?
oops. replied to the wrong one. meant to reply to the amber one here
but either way i'll start saving more of this info probably like how cloud always does in videos going over runes and artifacts just so I can look back at it and understand more
thanks for replying everyone. i'll check back in tomorrow after a decent night's rest and reply to everything.
unique flame
I think i'll probably start recording my sieges just so that I can have replays ...
the issue with having 1 cleanse like lala against nora is that you can easily just be perma cc'ed with no way to cleanse
being squishy or not to die in 1 turn is not the issue. you slowly die after a few turns even if you're super tanky
tranquil junco
mo betta narsha - you are right in your analysis that tiana cp is the best vs th...
Honestly
I think Logan chacha Triana is fine here
proud shale
It can be but Narsha can also extremely quickly pop you
shell vapor
can chacha really tank narsha 
tough rose
amber nora sav - tesa lala camilla is actually one of the more popular counters ...
i'm actually pretty surprised that this is something other people use - i had just thought of it myself, although it isn't terribly complicated either way
these were the runes used. I think tesarion was too squishy. i was using him on a defense (theo tesa riley). I've dissolved that defense since then
I was trying to rune him by hand afterwards and this is what I came up with for general purpose. I do end up using his leader skill quite often but I am unsure how important it is
I plan on reruning everything next FRR. Like, everything. I'm going to start the process of making a runing order. I know I can swap my best set around between monsters but to be honest outside of dupes I really find it to be tedious, cumbersome and sucks a lot of the fun out of siege to manually switch for a best set. It also costs way too freaking much mana.
This was one of the first times I've fully runed a monster by hand. With this, I had some guidelines I set.
- At least 239 tick
- At least 59% Res
- At least 85% CR
- At least +20k HP (This one fell a tiny bit short, but I feel like I made up for it with defense)
- At least +500 DEF
- At least 35 accuracy
- Rest split between damage and survivability
I was able to hit the numbers a lot closer on the mark than I normally would have with SWOP I feel, and I plan to rune my monster important monsters by hand from now on. But with that said, if this is totally off the mark, please tell me - I do want to improve my process here
What sort of eHP do you think is suitable as a minimum to set for logan while bruisering with destroy?
carmine mason
I have a prio list for my siege off if you’re interested to see
tough rose
Can u show Logan build
Is this OK?
Sure I'd be happy to take a look furyn if you're willing to share!
I always put speed totem on as always just a reminder because it makes it easier for me
But nothing else is on
carmine mason
and then i put this into swop
so u can do "ignore runes in higher prioritiy monsters"
tough rose
that is wise
tough rose
I think Logan chacha Triana is fine here
Can grego tank narsha? Not sure what the +2 is entirely though. Ideally some shields I think
Trying to think. Wish I had the ability to test it. Maybe like Louise momo Grego? I can't run this since missing both nat 5s there.
unique flame
grego is a really good dark tank
but personally i think ive given up on trying to tank narsha with anything
cleave or skip for me
there's no difference between how you use grego vs any other dark tank
in terms of what other monsters to use
don't let his half healing trick you into thinking you have to treat him differently
aka don't be tempted to bring in chasun, chasun still sucks
tough rose
I was thinking more about shielding
unique flame
yea you can but he still works with any regular healer
tough rose
Maybe Sonia Riley Grego with 45 res on grego. It actually was making me think of chasun since she buffs less than Riley so less damage from narsha s2.
But it still sounds risky
Idk with -20 light he is taking 30% damage. I feel like it's possible.
Oh and the HP recovery on riley is not based on her max HP while chasun is. Oof.
tough rose
@carmine mason what do you think of this? Does this seem sensible as an end result?
unique flame
This was one of the first times I've fully runed a monster by hand. With this, I...
this is going to be really hard to meet unless you're doing slot 4 cr
i would increase the acc requirement too
tough rose
Is it not so good? CR slot 4?
unique flame
it is good. i just didn't know if you were planning on that with slot 4 cd or cr
tough rose
Yeah I think I would settle for less otherwise. That would require my best runes and even then
unique flame
oh ok its fine then. but yea still would try to get acc higher than 35
tough rose
What sounds more reasonable? 50? I ended on 46 with 61 s3 accuracy from artifacts.
tranquil junco
I think 65 total has been my sweet spot personally
carmine mason
i gave tesa my best offense set this season
tough rose
that is the train i'm on
carmine mason
i feel like having him cd build with good tankiness, max acc, and near max cr is really worth it
tough rose
i definitely can't make all of that happen
carmine mason
i would see if u can get 85 cr with 60 acc
tough rose
I can do it on cdmg with my best runes
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tough rose
@carmine mason is it too squishy?
tough rose
next FRR
carmine mason
i wouldnt use it like into a mo long but like
tough rose
i want one i can use vs mo
tough rose
I use him into mo a lot
hmmm okay.
i could gem out atk and gem in hp
i mean if it is my best runes i want more than fine
so maybe i am doing something wrong here
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tough rose
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tough rose
harm vigor roid - you have the right idea. you'll have to show replays or runes ...
Here is the bulldozer runes.
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unique flame
i think you can optimize your runes a bit to make things better without having to have higher quality of runes
like your slot 6 is meh and has no gem, your slot 5 doesn't have cr and useless atk
tough rose
I think I do need to just farm more for it
I just don't really have bd/copper runes
Consequence of not really understanding for a long time that I would need them
I just have almost no def% runes and I haven't been thinking enough about copper/bulldozer
unique flame
yea you have to make a conscious effort to look out for them and roll them
tough rose
Right.
unique flame
even blue ones
which is where the most "effort" comes in because its easy to just discount those kinds of runes and auto sell
tough rose
I check my blues on 2/4/6 very frequently
Like if a rage drops I check it
For me it is never about effort. Just about pain. I'm hoping that this gets resolved because to be honest I really do want to check more runes :D Maybe within a year or so. Just need to find proper treatment
drifting hearth
Harmonia still heavily used or meh
Trying to define my prios on new toys to build
drifting hearth
something like this
carmine mason
i have one runed but have not used in a while
for fire healer i tend to look for racuni or lala more
harmonia is good paired with grego tho
drifting hearth
hmmhhmm oki thanks furyn!
carmine mason
np
tough rose
harmonia is good paired with grego tho
oh shoot. that's a good point
i think i'll probably end up using a good amount of grego
how to rune? just full hp 0 spd? shield/shield/will set if possible?
tranquil junco
Triple rev is common
real vault
How is tomoe on siege def? Haven't come across her too often this season
tranquil junco
How is tomoe on siege def? Haven't come across her too often this season
She’s a meme
Most of it is Douglas food
A lot of it is cleave food
proud shale
How is tomoe on siege def? Haven't come across her too often this season
Not great
Its just new so people could struggle with it
tough rose
Most of it is Douglas food
people be using dougie in siege?
explain this black magic tech please
carmine mason
tomoe lm sav - riley molly douglas hit auto
it can be trapped
but its usually fairly good
gentle condor
isn't that scary when they all focus riley?
tough rose
could somebody please explain to me what coco cleaving is?
unique flame
yea its all about finding a way to take first turn and give coco 2 turns in a row at the start
simply doing swift coco + swift kona right behind her, does not work due to how atb and resurge works
so you have 2 ways to do it, one is coco > kahli > light homu/tablo
or you can do coco > secondary atb booster > kona (the 2 really cool options here are chandra and meph which both do something useful besides just atb boost)
(everything on swift in both cases)
for arena, you can add a jamire to the combo and get even more turns without enemy moving
spiral dome
what is specifically countered by these teams?
summer stone
She’s a multi single target hit nuke
tranquil junco
what is specifically countered by these teams?
usually molly defs
or manon
bc a lot of hits + its true damage so it cant glance
spiral dome
carc molley theo f.e
whats the first target here with coco?
coco chandra kona as team
unique flame
coco has 2 relatively unique things that give her advantages over traditional nukers
- no-crit, no-glance, atk-based fixed dmg. this means she's safe into things like molly and kinki
- multihits. this means she's more reliable into manon, and can also kill things through triana
tough rose
going to stream my siege if anyone is interested
shell vapor
@tough rose do you have jultan
triana delphoi is good
u want double cleanse
into that
chacha isn't the best into lm
drifting hearth
Not on pc right now T_T
btw this new TLW looks so clean after re-runne @carmine mason
carmine mason
opop
tough rose
yes sorry t.t
i could only stream a few attacks anyways because we're stopping at 5 attacks so everyone can get contribution
nimble bloom
Khmun Monte Eshir
Dominic Praha Rakan
Chandra Savannah Nora
Manon Molly Ethna/Tian Lang
a few siege def ideas
summer stone
you build with your guild and with what you have
unique flame
Khmun Monte Eshir
Dominic Praha Rakan
Chandra Savannah Nora
Manon Molly Ethna/Ti...
This was random what is this supposed to be
carmine mason
The defenses Mali are gonna run into us
unique flame
Can you show me their runes too
nimble bloom
This was random what is this supposed to be
siege defs that destroyed me this season lmao
carmine mason
YouTube,com/jaoquin
tough rose
The defenses Mali are gonna run into us
tough rose
Can you show me their runes too
last time a guild tried that this siege tourney they ended up losing 
timid trout
tough rose
@unique flame how important do you think 239 tick is on delphoi? i can either do 205 tick off violent will or 239 tick will/misc.
unique flame
in what context
tough rose
in what context
with triana delphoi dark tank (jultan? jubelle?) into hyanes vigor liu mei
or i'm using delphoi with fran delphoi kaki vs carcano vigor triana
or i'm using delphoi in comps vs iunu grego orion, not sure what the +2 looks like here, maybe herne fits better here, don't know for sure
i only recently built delphoi and i've been trying to think of situations where i'd be using her, maybe these comps aren't the best examples and i haven't exactly seen delphoi used much so hard to give concrete examples
basically i'd like to have delphoi runed so i can use her in situations where i would generally be considering taking her. i think out of the three will is important for #2 mostly
i'd be happy to hear more suggestions on when she is applicable
unique flame
i would go for vio/will 100 res 205 tick
drifting hearth
Any real use for Moore on siege or I should just not bother building him?
unique flame
hard to say, definitely not great at least
you'll see him occasionally on def but i haven't really seen any good moore defs
it's more just rta players trying to find an excuse to use him in siege
drifting hearth
Got it. Storage then thanks
drifting hearth
Whenever gall bernard julie is used it's mostly against defs like that? Squishy + no spd threat?
Wondering if a +205 spd bernard is something I can rely on to as a offense on low g3 sieges
unique flame
squishy but it is intended to be able to challenge speed
its 24 lead + 111 base spd booster. hard to get better than that
+205 bernard is more than fast enough
upper flint
Best thing about Bernard is that it can easily clean up if something survives Julie
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tough rose
i think this is too slow for that then i suppose?
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ye
tranquil junco
jx i need wisdom
when do you actually use julie/lushen offenses
i feel like i play way too conservatively with them
ie never using
drifting hearth
squishy but it is intended to be able to challenge speed
tyvm
unique flame
when do you actually use julie/lushen offenses
honest answer: after someone else confirms that a def can be julie/lushened ;p
tranquil junco
honest answer: after someone else confirms that a def can be julie/lushened ;p
lmfao
unique flame
but that is quite often in the guild im in
so i do get to use julie/lushen like every siege
tranquil junco
see i dont use notes
unique flame
i dont use notes either i just ask
unique flame
im fortunate enough to be in a guild where there is that high level of activity
sometimes people do the work for me like
"hey we need a hit on this. it can be julied."
tranquil junco
ok but bobby cant be swift trapped so he does it blind too
unique flame
yea but that can be trapped by just will/tanky units
unique flame
but i mean at all levels below that very top
no one makes unusual swift or tanky cleave traps
julie/lushen is great blind into a ton of stuff
summer stone
I use it into mostly stuff I don’t know how to turn 2 lol
tough rose
our usual strat is call in the bobby
okeanos goes to storage friends?
here are the attacks from this siege, would appreciate any input here
the only one that was rough was garo draco kahli because kahli did not one shot the rakan. still won thankfully
summer stone
Doesn’t laika solo in that copper dozer comp?
drifting hearth
okeanos goes to storage friends?
pretty sure it does.. same as mine
drifting hearth
Doesn’t laika solo in that copper dozer comp?
I wouldn't risk using that comp either.. laika can solo and not that difficult imo
summer stone
Otherwise the counters looked sound
tough rose
Doesn’t laika solo in that copper dozer comp?
Huh? No
Bulldozer is strong against laika's passive
If he goes crazy it still is very winnable. Imesety really doesn't need anything except spd and tankiness so you can take -fire. I've ran it vs this many times. I'm sure it's possible to lose but I think win probability is high
shell vapor
here are the attacks from this siege, would appreciate any input here
the only o...
is ur garo tuned right after ur kahli? it's fine to not one shot rakan with kahli, sometimes you don't get atk buff from draco but garo should clean up
and then the 3v2 against seara orion is kinda hard to lose
tough rose
is ur garo tuned right after ur kahli? it's fine to not one shot rakan with kahl...
before, should it be after?
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tough rose
i'm also confused by the multipliers
s1 does do more damage, right?
that was what i was told
shell vapor
before, should it be after?
after
shell vapor
s1 does do more damage, right?
s1 does more damage if you have speed buff
which you will have after draco s3
tough rose
how come it matters? cd as less max hp?
shell vapor
well in the scenario that you kill kahli with t1 u get an extra turn in on garo
whereas if garo went first and kahli had enough dmg to kill anyways the garo turn did nothing
also u want kahli to give garo the atk spd buff again the next turn after
since dracos spd buff is 1 turn only
shell vapor
unique flame
I wouldn't risk using that comp either.. laika can solo and not that difficult i...
if this is risky for you it means you're building the team wrong. imesety should be tanky, not just a random fast set you have with flat mains and 0 stats
tranquil junco
Hit 1: Coco Cami Riley/Doug Woosa Dom: fine, but you can go just classic lushen + smth like suiki to clean up
Hit 2: TWL/CVT. Fine
Hit 3: GDK into SOR. This is stock afaik
Hit 4: Cov Praline Sonia into WMK Ophi Anavel. Seems fine, nobody runs swift ophi this low
Hit 5: Water twins fellaria into MST. This is fine, but there are better options into MST which idk if you have them.
Hit 6: Cp cleave into mo harm taranys. Honestly somewhat overkill, you can logan triana rina this easily but w/e works
Hit 7: Mihy Lushen Dova into Shi Hou Bastet Daphnis. Seems fine
hit 8: Dozer Imnesty Copper into Jeanne Ritesh laika. Honestly, i really like something like olivia dozer lulu here. Laika can be a problem in theory
Hit 9: MVL into KVT. Stock
Hit 10: TWL into Galleon Clara Kaki. You can julie this tbh, but this should work fine
tough rose
Hit 1: Coco Cami Riley/Doug Woosa Dom: fine, but you can go just classic lushen ...
#5 - I don't own TQ unfortunately
that is one i'd run otherwise, tq raoq verde
#10 - how would i julie this? i don't usually opt to race people, my bernard is very slow
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tranquil junco
nvm not at +150
tranquil junco
if you dont move first with this comp
unique flame
i race this all the time, but i use my fastest set
tranquil junco
at that speed
unique flame
i do susano orion
tranquil junco
galleon kaki will cleave you
unique flame
since i put my fastest on orion
tough rose
my fastest is on draco
summer stone
i know your against swapping but atleast swap fastest swift set
tough rose
i used like 7m mana this siege switching runes this siege, trying to make that not have to happen with swift :D
i literally did this siege and i ended up -7m mana
because of all the swapping i had to do to run all these teams
tranquil junco
idk what your depth looks like
tough rose
please stop suggesting swapping, i've said like 20 times i don't want that as a suggestion. i will do it when and where i can
swift depth is very very lacking, i'm farming giants to try to fix that
unique flame
yea i would not race claras unless you were using your fastest set
however if you were to try to optimize and swift race a bit more
you should save draco team for this
and then use your second fastest set vs the orion
its much less common to put your fastest swift on orion
i mean even in g3
i see plenty of people putting some junk ass weak swift sets on orion
or vio
tranquil junco
at a certain point a lot of your offenses become pretty preset rune wise
tough rose
switched to bernard/dova/mihyang
and swapped artifacts on everyone
i think i also +15'd an artifact
oh
fuck there was this douchebag
okay
so i swapped runes/artifact on a full offense and then this guy in my guild took my reserve
tough rose
Hit 1: Coco Cami Riley/Doug Woosa Dom: fine, but you can go just classic lushen ...
with hit 4, i plan to retire this offense (cov praline sonia) next season, i am not confident in my runes there to snipe consistently in g3
what outside of TQ raoq verde would you suggest vs MST? i've tried TWL but it seems hit or miss
with #6, i need to remember about how i can simply bring triana into mo long. i've not been thinking of this enough.
#7 - what is the kill order if i do olivia dozer lulu? (Jeanne, Ritesh, Laika is the defense) i haven't built olivia yet and i'm curious if she is used frequently enough in more difficult siege to put her on my to-build list
tranquil junco
with hit 4, i plan to retire this offense (cov praline sonia) next season, i am ...
The Ryan hit is the gold standard, but it’s also a rune swap comp
Unless you have an extra icaru lying around
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summer stone
the ryan hit?
tough rose
icaru ryan +?
also i just realized hold on
why can't you just do susano megan stella? shouldn't that work?
vs MST
martina -> shaina -> triana
summer stone
you can
tough rose
i'm fine with swapping runes off an icaru for a good hit
that's not so bad in comparison to other stuff
shell vapor
icaru ryan +?
Icaru + Ryan + verde
drifting hearth
why can't you just do susano megan stella? shouldn't that work?
You can
shell vapor
If you have a bethony that’s another solid mst hit
tough rose
no i wish
shell vapor
there is the mihyang dozer comp as well but that’s quite a bit harder to rune than the others
tough rose
got it. i have options at the very least!
i actually really like felleria water twins
shell vapor
yeah felleria and molly r the top 2 for light tanks into MST imo
tranquil junco
why can't you just do susano megan stella? shouldn't that work?
Triana can ruin you
tough rose
Triana can ruin you
actually hold on
i'm trying to think of how this works in my head
if megan boost -> stella s3 kill martina, does triana get the turn next or susano?
because i'm worried about the shaina aoe def break into triana going crazy
but at the same time it feels statistically unlikely to lose especially since susano is effectively -65% CR from triana
shell vapor
triana will cut but the main concern is a CD triana procing and deleting ur units
tough rose
yeah that part i understand
shell vapor
u need to build on high damage otherwise u won’t have enough juice to kill which means a well built CD triana can quite literally one shot
tough rose
theoretically it should not be terribly effective against susano
that makes sense, especially if it's some crazy yolo triana
summer stone
a decent dd triana will hit like 10 ishk
tough rose
u need to build on high damage otherwise u won’t have enough juice to kill which...
tq raoq verde can still lose to swift shaina i guess?
shell vapor
tq raoq verde can still lose to swift shaina i guess?
It shouldn’t
U have speed lead
And raoq has higher base
u lose to nem
summer stone
you lose if shaina is too squishy
tough rose
dead could you please refrain from answering the things i am asking here if its OK? no disrespect =)
summer stone
its right tho
shell vapor
he is right tho
summer stone
ill stop though
tough rose
ty, i appreciate your understanding
hmm i guess that the better question is if i would lose to swift shaina potentially since my raoq isn't +200 or anything like that
shell vapor
hmm i guess that the better question is if i would lose to swift shaina potentia...
uh how fast is ur raoq
I mean the potential to get outsped is always there
tough rose
157
shell vapor
Okay yeah that is a little slow
even with lead if it’s a swift shaina there’s a good chance u get outsped
also raoq needs to be on a CR set
tough rose
he is
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shell vapor
yep gotta work on the spd
unique flame
i'm trying to figure out how you and others have such problem with getting decent spd
like this was a few months of casual farming
7 monsters all at least +185 sets
tough rose
i wish i had an answer
unique flame
its just 3 blue swift runes, 2 broken purp triple spd runes, random slot 2 spd swift
thats all it takes
tough rose
are we talking about max rolled blue? because i do roll my blues. i roll for 17 speed or higher generally
shell vapor
on a base 100, 5 max blues with 4 grinds is +177
tough rose
i do not have many max blue swift runes
unique flame
i just looked through most of mine
it's anywhere between 16-18 base spd on the swift runes
tough rose
but i mean it doesn't have to be max blue
unique flame
and the triple rolls (on non-swift) are usually 20-22 base spd
tough rose
i have fast enough broken runes to make it faster
the problem is that i also need stats on raoq
unique flame
yea slot 4 cr takes care of it
tough rose
i have no idea either because i farm much more than the average player struggling with swift speed as well
but at the same time i farm mostly raid, then everything else is fairly even except pc10
like 70% raid 30% everything else split evenly more or less
tough rose
i have been trying to find my lushen set there
but yeah it literally makes no sense jx
i agree
unique flame
i'm probably doing roughly like... 25% giants, 20% dragons, 30% raid, 2% necro, 15% sf, 3% pc
tough rose
because of course my broken runes are gonna be fast enough to compensate
unique flame
its not worth to try to get a rage set from necro
will is getting less and less valuable
can get destroy from dhole
fatal is same as rage
tough rose
i mean i don't like will either
tough rose
i've been saying for awhile that i'm not a will enthusiast
unique flame
you don't need to farm necro to get a few bases
tough rose
think i just need to stop seeing fatal and rage as different sets
the only other thing is i'd still like rage runes for copper bulldozer
unique flame
rage is great. its just that the rest of necro rune sets are bad
tough rose
i mean i think destroy is great
you're right about dhole and i have more destroy than i need pretty much always
unique flame
which dhole do you farm
if you farm lumel
you definitely should be farming necro even less
tough rose
right now karzhan, i have plenty of will/destroy
unique flame
ok kz is good
tough rose
i do lumel or karzhan
there have been some instances recently where i've gone to rune a monster and haven't felt like i had fast enough will
like with delphoi earlier for example
i'll just sprinkle a bit in
you know i think it's this stupid ass bias i have where
every good lushen i see is on rage
so my brain thinks that it is very different
despite me knowing mathematically they are very close
carmine mason
its not worth to try to get a rage set from necro
i would reapp for lushen topset
rage is also the rarest set in necro (lowest drop rate)
tough rose
i guess i will become a fatal lushen enthusiast
carmine mason
i realized last week my top lushen fatal set is roughly the same as my rage
tranquil junco
honestly for lushen
just see which set has the better top end
and work around that for farming
so if you have 2 cracked fatal runes, look for fatal
tough rose
i think rage does but idk i have felt forever that will runes are very overrated
oh i see
i have cracked neither
i'll go through them again
carmine mason
carmine mason
no arts
tranquil junco
ah
carmine mason
its still mediocre
tough rose
good fucking lord
tranquil junco
how much do you hit for
carmine mason
i do not know
drifting hearth
damn that's a beautiful lushen
summer stone
yes
proud shale
TQ is very meh against MST nowadays Nem is very common,
TWL is solid, Bethony if you have her a trap for her is less common
drifting hearth
What are the 2a copies prio generally speaking?
Rn I'm feeling I need more lulus to began with but idk if that's just a g1 siege vision
I got 1 of each only
spiral dome
can't be wrong having 2 copies of TWL
I'm considering my third lulu RN
there are people that have 5
drifting hearth
I was thinking about -> 2 lulus in a row then 1 or 2 chacha's then depends of w/e I'm feeling
drifting hearth
can't be wrong having 2 copies of TWL
exactly what I was thinking lo shit is so broken
unique flame
Rn I'm feeling I need more lulus to began with but idk if that's just a g1 siege...
this is good keep going by what you feel and what you need
lulu is fine
spiral dome
exactly what I was thinking lo shit is so broken
you dont have to play twl necessarily, windy is good wind tank, lulu very good water support
drifting hearth
Alright thank you very much guys
tough rose
this is good keep going by what you feel and what you need
the problem i'm having right now is i don't want to get to g3 and feel like i'm missing a huge amount of 2as and i've been wasting my energy farming runes
but at the same time i also feel like i have nowhere near enough runes to cover all the units i own
carmine mason
Ok I’m going to give you a hot take
tough rose
hit me with it
carmine mason
I was really slow to make 2a on my account because I was very behind in runes
2a can go out of meta
Runes are forever
carmine mason
Certain things I think are staples but like. Who uses more than 1 chacha in a siege these days
tough rose
i've felt like i've wanted more than one but i think that's because i've undervalued jubelle and I DONT HAVE GOOD ENOUGH RUNES FOR HIM
carmine mason
Yeah but I think for the most part you can work around it
unique flame
farming dhole runes is never a waste but i also wouldn't stress making extra 2as just because you're afraid it goes out of meta
tough rose
more runes would help with that. i feel like at least.
unique flame
nothing ever permanently goes out of meta
tough rose
sin?
unique flame
it's always a circle and sometimes things become useless for a season or 2 and then come back later
tough rose
wait 2as you mean. haha.
carmine mason
@ripe kraken
tough rose
i want to start making less compromises in terms of moving sets because i feel like every time i do i start making significantly less progress
drifting hearth
Runes are forever
this hit pretty hard on my head lmao
upper flint
Icaru + Ryan + verde
What is that offense? I assume you in need a very fast icaru
tough rose
think tq/garo raoq verde @upper flint
except water and lit
i think
a very woke version of the tried and true
nah in all seriousness though i'm not entirely sure. it seems similar though
carmine mason
I saw a lot of people in like g2 siege making 5 lala when Nora was meta
And I would not do that unless I was competing for tourney thst season
Too much
tough rose
i don't want to be too ambitious with my goals but i'd like to eventually be playing in tourney
upper flint
think tq/garo raoq verde <@267735246248738826>
That's what I thought, well, I'm not building 4th icaru
unique flame
just dont make a lot of any single thing
like dont make your 5th lulu before your 2nd vigor
carmine mason
Yeah
tough rose
i actually don't have a jultan yet
upper flint
Jultan is much better than I expected it to be
tough rose
are people using him a good amount these days? i saw the cool defense that you guys used last siege
spiral dome
I have 1x jultan, jubelle and chacha and I use them every now and then in low g3
tough rose
i just regained so much hope for playing in low g3 siege
drifting hearth
Whenever I use jultan I'm pretty happy about how he does his job properly every time
solid unit
ripe kraken
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fuck sin and his garbo base stats ye
spiral dome
who tf is sin
upper flint
Fire martial artist
drifting hearth
fire martial artist
spiral dome
haven't seen him anywhere yet
upper flint
Well that's cuz he sucks
drifting hearth
He had the potential to be good
upper flint
Cannot be def broken, but that's literally all he does, it has garbo stats and his skills don't really do much
carmine mason
I know a lot of people that made 10 lulus also
Feels overkill for 99% of people
I don’t have more than 4 of any 2a and haven’t ever felt crunched by it
spiral dome
which ones you have 4 of?
carmine mason
Lulu Bernard
carmine mason
Wh does there need to be more
spiral dome
you use julie bernard gal that often?
carmine mason
Yes
spiral dome
ah ok
carmine mason
In normal season people don’t trap cleave really
spiral dome
to date I'm only switching swift set and sometimes fat lushen
carmine mason
I also think that back prenerf lulu was worth more dupes I just wasn’t as serious about siege yet
spiral dome
how much dmg per card does your julie do?
spiral dome
k ty
carmine mason
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Furyn guide on how to rune the offense 
spiral dome
ty
will rune it up
time to build 3rd galleon
or unrune the 1 from christina chloe off, dom molly molo isn't used much anymore
drifting hearth
I always think about using bernard gall julie on low g3 but I'm simply no confident at all on a +205 bernard D:
jx said its fine but idk I just think it will be bad
xD
spiral dome
should be fine vs clara monte eshir I guess
drifting hearth
I'm never confident enough to cleave stuff honestly x_x
unique flame
there's lots of things to hit that aren't typically going to be built on swift
for example things like iris or lm
i would avoid claras and eshirs
in my experience it is even more common for lower levels to put decent swift on those 2 units
than at higher levels
cobalt eagle
yea from my experience in different g1 guilds
all the claras are swift
lol
fast swift too
spiral dome
you use it against only nat 4 defs or also nat5's?
unique flame
that is a consideration that has never even crossed my mind
unique flame
every single nat 4 offense in existence can be used against 5* without deeming it to be some sort of weaker or leftover team
unique flame
i wouldn't blindly julie that
again, the targets you're looking for are going to be either stuff that are squishy
and/or stuff that typically aren't going to be built on will
all of those units are naturally tanky, and will is not uncommon
upper flint
should work against this right?
Is this a meta def now?
proud shale
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Is the Bernard skillupped or is his boost just that good hmm
proud shale
should work against this right?
Id not cleave this either can be super tanky or some kind of fast Nora trapping Tianas
Sav has another life too… if you go Lushen Nora can be toxic hmm
Id just bruiser it with some boring Tesa+Lala Talc or Rina it tbh
jx summarized it well you aim for stuff that is naturally squishy
Blind Julie generally is a bit scarier since there is a lot of stuff on will nowadays
unique flame
i dont know what you mean nowadays, will is less common now than it was before overall
julie is more meta as an offense now exactly because will is so much less common
proud shale
Its super common EU
unique flame
it used to be you slapped will on literally everything
spiral dome
this?
proud shale
if you run into slower stuff which doesnt speed theeaten
unique flame
if you run into slower stuff which doesnt speed theeaten
if its slow then it'll be tanky. which is something you avoid with julie
no one builds slow AND squishy units
on def
proud shale
Many speed tiers below Gall Bernard though
Like this Carc LM is probably a Bruiser Carc and a Bruiser Theo
While "fast" its not crazy fast like Mihyang Eshir
unique flame
i don't think you're even following this conversation
you're just saying random shit now
carmine mason
Bernard is skilled up otherwise you need your units to be faster. His boost scales with skillups
spiral dome
Bernard is skilled up otherwise you need your units to be faster. His boost scal...
34.5 right?
Sad that swop doesn't do that automatically
carmine mason
You can just adjust it
spiral dome
You can just adjust it
I know, I forgot it before though
spiral dome
You can just adjust it
looks decent
carmine mason
shell vapor
That's what I thought, well, I'm not building 4th icaru
U don’t have three already for tricaru ?
wait I’m blind
just swap to one of the three u already have
don’t do waht I did 
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do you ever get cut?
shell vapor
https://imgur.com/a/j6O6RpH forgot I made this
This is nice but where’s the video u promised 
summer stone
Yeah I’m a new sub where is my content 
tough rose
ok guys, a bit less off topic discussion if possible :D
just so I can keep things organized here
upper flint
don’t do waht I did <:smh:1060694344190918736>
no way Im runeswapping in G1 lmao
carmine mason
ok guys, a bit less off topic discussion if possible :D
if you were to have a video on gw and siege advice - what would you want
tough rose
if you were to have a video on gw and siege advice - what would you want
Let me think about this. I'll give you an answer today.
tranquil junco
if you were to have a video on gw and siege advice - what would you want
Honestly I think a guide to the approaches
Would be good
Snipe, bruiser, cleave
How to ID which angle to take
Would be interesting
summer stone
^
verbalizing your thought process on why you pick a certain team/ team architype into a certain defense would be cool
tranquil junco
I can take a crack at it post tourney, but it would be written
And focusing on snipe cores bc that’s my specialty
summer stone
id be curious to learn more about sniping
I almost never run it, mostly just brusier and cleave
tough rose
he made a double snipe video already which is excellent
more like that would be good for sure
twin gate
2v3 angle is op
summer stone
only one I use is khmun cov kona
twin gate
It's much easier to manip 2 targets versus 3
tranquil junco
Odin Riley Kinki
I hit them very similarly
By just removing one unit and then ensuring I can win the resulting 3v2 with the remaining units the team I chose has
tranquil junco
Kinki
Coco, mo Icares, etc
Anything that can remove Kinki in 2 units
With the last unit being laika
summer stone
great
tranquil junco
Who soloes Odin Riley
summer stone
i have none of those
tranquil junco
L
summer stone
any f2p options?
twin gate
Also just like look out for kahli support team potential
Kahli lulu triana is a real team
Same with molly in place of kahli
tranquil junco
For Kinki specifically for sniping? No
spiral dome
Something to note is
wheres your video?
tranquil junco
I can take a crack at it post tourney, but it would be written
.
unique flame
i think a big part of what's "missing" from the knowledge of newer players is simply the experience of knowing what monsters do and how they are typically built (i.e. on def)
people just want to be able to watch a video or read a guide and suddenly become experts at something. this isn't how this game or anything else in life works
there is no substitute for grinding the time and experience yourself of actually playing the game
and then asking questions after you lose
and then learning from that
carmine mason
i need something i can watch in the next 24 hours so i can get legend pls advise
unique flame
a basic example would be for arena - when we talk about lushen ao, we say that a fat lushen team is good against speed ADs
but what is a speed AD? Is it anything with a spd lead? no, not necessarily
there's many nuances to that that can't be explained with just a guide or video
tranquil junco
True
I do think a guide that takes off from unit recognition to basic strategy would be beneficial
The key for my play style for example is recognizing signpost units/cores that can be simplified
unique flame
i think people understand the basic strategy already
for double snipe you have some fast booster on swift. 2 single target def ignore spd tuned behind it
pew pew 2 monsters and then you win
tranquil junco
Sure but that doesn’t narrow down where to use it as well
tranquil junco
And I think just addressing the basic signposts
unique flame
other than just experience of knowing what every single unit on def does and how they are generally built
tranquil junco
And leaving them there
unique flame
like here's a nuanced example
let's say that the def has a monster that can be fast on swift that you may have trouble outspeeding, like eshir
so you'd think twice about using a standard double ignore against that because you're worreid eshir may outspeed your bastet, and boost their team to do stuff
but does that apply to any monster that can outspeed you on def? nope
maybe instead of an eshir it was a woosa
who also has high base spd and can be built on swift
but that's much less threatening to you and it could be ok to double ignore that def even if woosa outspeeds you
this is complex game and there's a lot to it. there are always more exceptions to the rule than things that follow basic rules or signposts
tranquil junco
Sure, but that can be covered by the assumption that anything that can be swift will be swift, and then what, on an identical swift set, actually hoses you
tough rose
alright if I had to choose, it would probably not be possible to cover in one video
but what i'd like a video on is how to recognize the strengths and weaknesses of a defense and how to capitalize/respond appropriately with what you bring
@carmine mason
tranquil junco
I’m thinking very macro level of a guide
unique flame
i mean what you want
is just for furyn to stream every siege or make a video of every siege
but do it consistently
and then you can get a library of examples to learn from
tough rose
and obviously defenses can be built multiple ways, but starting entry level is good i think
because most people are playing entry level
unique flame
i don't think 1 video in itself is going to do you any good
beyond what we've already provided
tough rose
i think that the double snipe video was excellent
tough rose
for sure having a library of examples is excellent, but for me i don't really want the answers as much as to know how to find them
unique flame
for sure having a library of examples is excellent, but for me i don't really wa...
what you're doing right now is i think the best anyone can do
which is just review your hits and real examples every sieg