and lead should be something that can kill perna
#[ARCHIVED] Siege Advice (Starting Season of December 2022)
gaunt torrent
tough rose
and lead should be something that can kill perna
@twin gate is theo betta sagar decent? i've seen this defense before, i know its not molly and they're totally different monsters
twin gate
<@120749242536034304> is theo betta sagar decent? i've seen this defense before,...
its okayish
tough rose
trying to brainstorm what we're stacking here
twin gate
its not really special in any way but its okay enough
just make sure betta goes last to get the sick value of immunity
before sagar procs out of it
tough rose
let me look at what defenses you have actually
twin gate
iw as gonna ask how the hell ur gonna see mine lmao
gaunt torrent
hmm what do you have in mind?
gaunt torrent
i use her a lot for utility so not keen
gaunt torrent
ahh true
tough rose
that sounds rude over text, sorry, not meant to
gaunt torrent
im giving up on cvt, too easy to counter
gaunt torrent
seara orion rakan
tesarion riley theomars
carcano iris triana (just cause i have the units)
some teams that use jubelle and liu mei
gaunt torrent
im going from seara raoq iris to seara orion rakan haha
tough rose
ye
tough rose
FRR this saturday!
gaunt torrent
i have so much mana it doesn't matter xd
but yeah, gonna update runes and hopefully start winning again
tough rose
Seara orion rakan
Feng coco woosa
Khmun vigor skogul
Carcano eshir triana
this is what i'm gonna do after FRR
gaunt torrent
still cdmg triana?
cursive canyonBOT
Here are the requested monsters.
provided by SWARFARM
tough rose
she has my best runes so
@twin gate is it too much trouble to ask what you might recommend for my good guildie here? https://swarfarm.com/profile/unxizt/?
twin gate
sec but sure
tough rose
"seara orion rakan
tesarion riley theomars
carcano iris triana (just cause i have the units)
some teams that use jubelle and liu mei"
this is what he is planning but i think we can do better than team #2 at the very least
twin gate
well harm vigor jubelle imo is decent
jubelle is kinda terrifying on cr to tank
cause he just randomly hits extremely fking hard
so thats one jubelle team
for lm you can run like chandra lm perna
pretty meta defense and is pretty solid imo
better with max resist chandra and a tanky lm
twin gate
ya
twin gate
but yeah as for the theo defense - theo betta sagar is prolly the best one of the options here, alternatively you could run something like momo betta theo but i think momo has the issue of just ramping too slow compared to sagar who can just explode
idk if we're trying to maximize options, because logistically if we're trying to max the amount out here possible then momo betta theo and then nana eshir sagar are two defenses (but i think honestly i'd just run the theo betta sagar and leave momo for stuff like isgw where people cant spam the same bruiser/tesa/tiana stuff at it every time)
gaunt torrent
if that's the case i could do like
seara orion rakan
chandra lm perna
theo betta sagar?
carcano iris triana
harmonia vigor jubelle
twin gate
yeah, that looks decent
just make sure the 4*s your guild can stack similar stuff
because one-offs of those aren't too hard to beat but a full tower or two repeatedly can get problematic
also food for thought - you do have a mo long just kinda sitting around, he's definitely imo still one of the top siege defense units
so if your guild does decide to switch to something with mo - mo betta x is generally solid imo, mo molly x as well but i feel like thats fallen off due to the prevalance of nonstop destroy bruisers
i.e. mo betta sagar might be worth trying out, just work with your guildmates on that and see if y'all can make that. swapping theo back to that theo riley tesa and putting it in backline would be okay in that case if y'all go for a more mo-focused front
gaunt torrent
would 2 mo betta X defences + fill rest with some mo-based defence be enough?
looking at guild defences, best i can see is 2, maybe 3
also, thoughts on jubelle vigor lm? ive seen this around and it might be easier on my runes than having 2 separate teams
twin gate
also, thoughts on jubelle vigor lm? ive seen this around and it might be easier ...
if you can't do both, then i'd honestly try for the chandra perna lm instead
only 25 (if that) 4* defenses you'll generally need, versus well over 70 normal defenses
twin gate
would 2 mo betta X defences + fill rest with some mo-based defence be enough?
honestly, if you can't stack it, then i'd just stick with theo betta x if you can stack that better
gaunt torrent
honestly, if you can't stack it, then i'd just stick with theo betta x if you ca...
i think we're good for mo longs, but betta being ld4 might be harder to coordinate
unless we do like a mo betta/molly mix
twin gate
i feel like mo molly is just ridiculously common and easy to bruiser now though
esp if they're running ST units like sagar +1
tranquil junco
i feel like mo molly is just ridiculously common and easy to bruiser now though
Counterpoint: g1
But yeah Theo would be better tbh
gaunt torrent
if you can't do both, then i'd honestly try for the chandra perna lm instead
issue is all our lm defences are 4*, so idk if chandra perna lm alone is gonna work
tough rose
Copper bulldozer imesety -> Feng Vigor Ferimon
Boost Copper -> kill vigor so no -crit, kill feng is the way, correct?
gaunt torrent
Copper bulldozer imesety -> Feng Vigor Ferimon
Boost Copper -> kill vigor so no ...
i would do that turn order too, but i feel like fermion can potentially solo?
gaunt torrent
But yeah Theo would be better tbh
what's the turn order for theo betta X/sagar? i've seen theo molly sagar comps which have molly > sagar > theo, but this doesn't really make sense to me
twin gate
what's the turn order for theo betta X/sagar? i've seen theo molly sagar comps w...
Betta last
Sagar > Theo > Betta
twin gate
Copper bulldozer imesety -> Feng Vigor Ferimon
Boost Copper -> kill vigor so no ...
If fermi decides to go on dozer first you get soloed here
Or hell he might cut the dozer and strip voke him
tough rose
If fermi decides to go on dozer first you get soloed here
what would you recommend against this instead?
just lushen it?
twin gate
Lushen is okay since the only person who might live is fermi if you +water
And he's got the most favorable element here - add a teon to tank fermi and a carc to cleanup (or any atk lead if we're not respecting the speed vigor threat)
gaunt torrent
is sagar runed vio spd/cd/hp?
twin gate
spd hp hp with cr/def/atk/acc subs
generally
with defbreak its not too important to get cd due to him doing pretty solid damage as is
tough rose
@full dragon Could I do CR on khmun instead of CDMG?
Trying to get decent EHP and some crit here and struggling
Trying to rune khmun for khmun skogul vigor
tough rose
This is with totem AND lead skill (19%)
twin gate
You can go spd HP HP or spd crate HP all are viable just make sure you have some crit rate
For KVS you can probably even drop down to the 239 tick
unique flame
Here is your build.
this is like +15k hp?
unique flame
This is with totem AND lead skill (19%)
what? so its like +120 spd?
unique flame
don't show builds with towers/lead skills
unique flame
people want to see what the runes are, the assumption is that the lead/towers are never included
unique flame
the cd build is ok if you want to try it
tough rose
this is the only other one missing a grind
unique flame
my preference is always HP
tough rose
i saw my guild mate have insane success with worse runes and a similar build
so i wanted to give that a shot
unique flame
are you already running this def and its not working?
unique flame
someone having success with a certain build doesn't necessarily mean its a great build
tough rose
of course
unique flame
khmun is just op you can rune him on whatever and he'll still get you wins
tough rose
i just wanted to try it out and see how it works
tranquil junco
A secret is you can do decent cr and then cd right side
tough rose
@unique flame i couldn't really manage any fast swift sets with decent stats. that is the best i could do. i'm assuming violent is a better option here?
i went for HP stacking on rakan to try to trap garo draco kahli
this was the best icould make otherwise, I think.
twin gate
is this rakan designed to trap someone
twin gate
because with no crit rate it wont be a threat
unique flame
going hp/hp/hp is fine but you still need cr
twin gate
it can even be on crit rate but you definitely need some crate
tbh idk what rank y'all are
tough rose
alright. let me see what i can do
unique flame
no one is using garo draco kahli on you in g1 sorry
twin gate
but most people even in g3 dont garo draco kahli this
unique flame
unless you happen to pull me
tough rose
i don't care rank
i care about making the best defense i possibly can
i want to play at higher
okay
let me see. how much is a good amount to aim for then in this case?
unique flame
yea the point is that it's not worth trying to trap something specific
if you're trying to make overall good defs
twin gate
probably like +20-25k and then prioritize getting some crit rate
cd would be nice but not a requirement
tough rose
let me see what i can do
cursive canyonBOT
Here is the requested monster.
provided by SWARFARM
tough rose
i'm just checking for accuracy
so i do want some accuracy sprinkled in at least. right?
tough rose
this though. violent is preferred here??
unique flame
oh
dont need 85 acc for anything on def
50+ some more on artis is generally enough
tough rose
ah, sorry
i just remember you taught me that already
sometimes i am a bit forgetful
unique flame
and vio or swift is same for everything
its either your fastest swift
or vio
no shitty swift sets
no "decent" swift sets
tough rose
that's the fastest i have with stats
unique flame
+181??
unique flame
go back to giants? i dont know what else to say
tough rose
i will keep farming giants
tough rose
i do roll swift blue still!
i will keep farming
maybe in a couple months i can make faster swift
i'll do violent for now then
unique flame
i really don't understand this swift problem
because you're not the only one who has it
twin gate
i do
people hear 'violent is best'
people speed run giants the fuck out of giants
and then go straight to dragons
unique flame
i guess
twin gate
and then go 'why am i slow giants sucks 😦'
unique flame
like ok i get it, i've been farming 7 years on my main
maybe i dont know what its like?
but no, on my alt
i realize its fucking easy to get decent swift
i'm not getting lucky or just out of touch
gentle condor
i don't think that's true, i am not getting much stuff faster than blue
unique flame
you can remove 5-10% of my "best" swift runes and my experience is still roughly the same
it is not rng
nup is right i think
people just get the fuck out of giants
or don't roll blues
gentle condor
i have decent amount of +18,+17 runes, but i don't get much of better ones
tough rose
i have not gotten very lucky admittedly
i do need to farm more
right now i am farming pretty evenly
i've farmed much more dragons total than giants but i'd say i farm around
i didn't link my swarfarm up recently but i'll do it again soon
i have some old statistics from a couple months of farming
i'll do that after, hold on
first, this
better?
shell vapor
shell vapor
idk jack about defense
tough rose
that's ok duck, i'm still happy you're here
shell vapor
I was just gonna comment about the swift thing
When I first started playing I did giants enough to finish pve
and then I never farmed it again
I only started farming it like the last year
shell vapor
that's ok duck, i'm still happy you're here
tough rose
for me i was focused on rta for awhile
and well
bruiser runes not really
so much in giants
for rta
so i farmed the shit out of dragons, so my violent runes are much more depth than giants ones AND more importantly
i didn't understand how spd or runes worked properly until maybe 2 years ago
unique flame
first, this
this is better
unique flame
When I first started playing I did giants enough to finish pve
this is probably it
tough rose
i mean i still have a LOT to learn of course but i just didn't understand for the longest time how runes worked
swarfarm is bugging out but
i do roll swift blues
unique flame
like i'm only expecting people to have blue swifts
but people don't even have those
tough rose
hold on though
unique flame
my 2nd tier swift sets on my alt are better than a lot of people's best
unique flame
yea i know what you mean
tough rose
i don't think it's acceptable for me to put some runes with 22 spd, 6% res, 4% accuracy + something else
on a defense monster. that is why
not that
every rune is like this of course
but this was after i looked through. that's all!
shell vapor
idk I think the mentality for me was like
I didn’t know what I was doing so it took me forever to finish pve
tough rose
how to improve rakan here? more crit daamge?
shell vapor
So by that time I didn’t want to farm giants anymore
tough rose
i can try for a bit less tankiness and more damage maybe
shell vapor
unique flame
how to improve rakan here? more crit daamge?
he's fine. you can get CD from artis
tough rose
which skill CD am i seeking?
unique flame
if you want to improve him from there just look for more hp
tough rose
i was stacking atk up effect
tough rose
okay. i will not
unique flame
i mean its not horrible but
tough rose
s3 cdmg?
tough rose
ah
left side. what is desirable? -dmg from water?
i had gone for -fire because i was mistakenly trying to do the garo draco kahli trapping
i would check my guild but nobody else is running this variation, it's all perna or masha
unique flame
i think you still want -fire
tough rose
okie
unique flame
i dunno what kind of water dd people will bring into this
unique flame
yes. skogul or windy
tough rose
i guess people always kill orion last anyways
unique flame
feng too probably
tough rose
with fire dd
tough rose
from 11/20/2022 until now (if i'm reading this correctly)
R5: 1879 runs
Necropolis: 1876 runs
Dragons: 1874 runs
Faimon: 1703 runs
Giants: 1350 runs
Steel Fortress: 698 runs
Punishers Crypt: 180 runs
This is only recorded and I know I've farmed a lot on my phone.
so I guess I do need to farm more giants :D but i'm trying to farm everything
but basically as far as my "fastest set goes"
it's +205
thats just for spd and not caring about anything else
i don't have an answer as to why my swift runes aren't faster. the only thing i can think is that i don't roll blue runes that are +4 spd. i roll +5 or higher
because i have at least a few +17s in each slot
but with stats. i can't do higher than +183. so i guess swift fastest on def is a no go for me!!!
tough rose
anyways. sorry for the ramble. does seara look okay?
tough rose
i dunno what kind of water dd people will bring into this
hold on, just realized something. this is probably a bit obvious before but this means triana malaka fran is no go against rakan variant, right?
makes sense, i just wanted to make sure i am thinking about this right
tranquil junco
it still probably works tbh
rakan is either on vio, and cant self sustain so you can just bonk him down with additionals
or hes on vamp and hes not scary
tough rose
what do you all think about khmun loren elucia vs khmun vigor skogul? a guildy of mine was running it instead of khmun vigor elucia and i think i like the idea more
well
maybe not more, but i like it
ripe kraken
My concern would be tempo/sustain loss from dropping vigor honestly
When I tried that team the biggest problem for me was choosing what to target with Loren
tough rose
I think the idea was just to make it so skogul never gets turn
ripe kraken
Yeah which for me I never cared about I guess since I had vigor and would control their vigor so eventually I would have speed buff and they wouldn’t I guess
It’s been a while since I played that fight but my concern was always basically that team relying on Loren being fast enough to never let skogul go where using vigor is consistent irresistible value
I know some people even in my guild liked it though so this might just be personal trauma others might have a different experience
tough rose
Makes sense. I don't have multiple vigor right now so I think I may consider it
ripe kraken
Yeah that’s completely reasonable
Vigor is insanely good in a lot of instances so I get the desire to conserve him
tough rose
i know i've asked before and i apologize for my poor memory. could i get some recommendations for fire tanks? kumar, harmonia? who else is good? could i make ursha?
i do not have kumar at all and i've been running into some situations where i want a fire tank in siege and don't have one
drifting hearth
Kunite/ Lala / Maybe Xiong?
full dragon
i know i've asked before and i apologize for my poor memory. could i get some re...
Rakan is good because permanent immunity
Ophilia, and you can consider using her s3 now instead of s1 spam cause it gives immunity
Triple Will tanks can be good too, if you intend to end the battle within those few turns
ie: water twins + Xiong Fei vs. Tesarion, Vigor, Molly
full dragon
<@151787818912317440> Could I do CR on khmun instead of CDMG?
You can do a lot, depends what your rune quality allows
CD requires very high efficiency, I don't recommend it if your HP and other stats are still low
unique flame
i wouldn't malak fran triana into rakan. sure if you land both bombs on the seara and orion you'd definitely win 3v1 against rakan. but that's never the issue, the issue is if you miss bombs and don't kill seara or orion. rakan presents more of a problem than perna with his cc
your seara is fine, if anything can always make her tankier
khmun loren elucia is super popular. but i hate that comp
it really requires you to outrune the enemy for it to work well
you cannot perma control anything when acc/res checks are in play. enemy vigor gives speed buff too
there are no good fire tanks in the game that are on par with rina for water or windy for wind
kunite is the closest there is, but it really depends on the specific situation
funnily enough tesa turns out to be the most tanky fire mon in many situations with his passive, even as a bruiser and not a pure tank
full dragon
I think Khmun is the closest, but it's contextual
unique flame
yea for sure, it is contextual and khmun does get used a lot in the tank slot
full dragon
I made a Kai'en a while back, decent F2P perma immunity option too
and has DEF buff
def break
atk break
hmm, I need to use him forgot how loaded he is
unique flame
mei is another option you can consider, she is super tanky but it's not 100% uptime
twin gate
i know i've asked before and i apologize for my poor memory. could i get some re...
Khmun / Kunite depending on defense generally, khmun is a beast for tanking stuff with his passive on a triple HP build and Kunite dmg reduction is clean
Generally though I feel like not much requires a true fire supertank like windy from wind or rina from water
ripe kraken
Trevor can work in specific situations
But it’s really only against mo
Honestly let’s reframe that
Trevor is good at tanking mo and like nothing else
But he’s really good at tanking mo
cursive canyonBOT
provided by SWARFARM
tranquil junco
HELENA
ripe kraken
<:sip:991521396184317972> HELENA
So she’s a giga close second I like Trevor because he can maul the wind unit that is there
gaunt torrent
Trevor is good at tanking mo and like nothing else
can you elaborate more on how to use trevor into mo defs?
as well as how to rune him
unique flame
here's an example, there's nothing special/specific about him. he works just like any fire bruiser. his passive just gives him a lot of extra tankiness (and dmg, but people don't realize just how tanky the passive makes him until they actually try him out)
overall though i wouldn't really recommend him. plenty of better/more reliable/more versatile options. like tesa
ripe kraken
can you elaborate more on how to use trevor into mo defs?
you would do something like lulu bella trevor into a mo molly wind threat defense and speed tune trevor to bella and combo kill the wind threat. If the wind threat is sav you should be running super high defense lulu and bella
Tesa is way more versatile though yeah the team design is a lot more specific with trevor its just trevor is really good at eating reckless
tough rose
sorry to beat a dead horse here, but i've been thinking about this since the discussion. why is +183 considered so slow? sometimes it takes me a few days of thinking about what we talk about here to really understand.
but this just flat out doesn't make sense to me.
for speed on my wind madeleine's runes (SKIPPING slot 2)
26/X/20/23/25/25
the slowest is slot 3 which i only have one swift rune above +16 ungrinded on (dova uses it). my wind cookie is on my second fastest slot.
but this still doesn't make sense to me. generally when we speak the expectations on runes are tempered and summoner1722 seems to have my number on this.
is this really so slow? what am I missing? this is my second fastest swift set fairly statless. like i understand the math behind speed rolls. 6->12->18->24 + 4 or 5 grind is max purple. i roll every single purple rune i get with speed on it. and i know i don't farm an absolutely insane amount but no matter what i do i can't seem to figure this out.
@unique flame
i included some more monsters i have on swift. i don't really use swift runes that often. and i DO farm giants and i DO roll blues. i have for awhile.
i really fail to understand what it is i'm missing
like.. is it maybe that my runes with speed are spread out? because i am comparing to summoner1722 here for example, which is a pretty new account, and draco is +184 here
gaunt torrent
personal opinion, but the game has been around for so long that a lot of people have +200 sets now
so anything less than that on defence is seen as pretty abusable?
tough rose
it's not about that
we're not talking about how long the game has been out. we're talking about wtf the problem is
gaunt torrent
about the speed being low?
gray meteorBOT
jx9
tough rose
here is where the discussion starts
it isn't "a lot of people have +200 and its abusable"
its "why is it that despite summoner1722 being less than 5 months old, the rune quality of the swift runes you have are lower in speed?"
gaunt torrent
hmm firstly, when we are discussing speed are we trying to get other stats still?
or just fast as possible
gaunt torrent
sorry there's too many topics being discussed at the same time, i can't zone in on the exact topic 🥲
tough rose
it's ok
this is something for other people to answer here anyways i think
the wind cookie and draco are statless. you can see the speed.
it's extremely mediocre.
we're discussing both
west bobcat
im also chasing swift since my swifts were really bad, but I did move from +202 to +211 in one month by just farming gb12
gaunt torrent
for the wind cookie, what's it priority? like in terms of who gets the best runes, what position is that set for wind cookie?
maybe you're spreading your runes too th in
tough rose
we're not
guys
we're not talking
about +200
:D
look at the numbers above
wind cookie is basically #3. tiana gets fastest with stats -> dova -> cookie -> imesety -> draco
gaunt torrent
are you using swop to optimize?
tough rose
both or by hand, doesn't matter
gaunt torrent
tbh even if your swift depth sucks, you should have a lot of fast offsets
tough rose
this is the problem and why i'm discussing it
gaunt torrent
bad luck perhaps?
or don't farm enough
26/X/20/23/25/25
surely, you could find two offsets faster than 26 here
gaunt torrent
soz, finally got it xd
gaunt torrent
how many runs do you do per day?
tough rose
i farm a lot
gaunt torrent
quick maths says about 140 runs per day?
wait no i included sr5
about 100 rune dungeon runs per day
upper flint
im also chasing swift since my swifts were really bad, but I did move from +202 ...
I went from 170 to 174 fastest in a month and a half rolling every swift rune with a speed sub, so its very dependant on RNG
gaunt torrent
how do you get those stats btw, im still trying to find them on swarfarm
gaunt torrent
sr5 is relevant
since we're looking at pure triple rolls, im just ignoring them for now
tough rose
i linked my swarfarm
it is relevant. runes don't do anything without grinds
if i get a +18 swift rune and don't have spd grinds it is a +18 swift rune!
i do roll and keep blue runes. this one for example i just got yesterday
carmine mason
I wonder if also expectations around volume of farming? I made a new account a year ago and got +200 in 100 base in like 2 months of the account
But I was farming 14 hours a day on it
carmine mason
but basically as far as my "fastest set goes"
it's +205
205 isn’t bad
Right now I can peak 2k gb12 runs in a day
~5m per 10x * 18 hours
If I’m really sweating it
gaunt torrent
on a side note, my seara orion rakan def feels really ass rn. did i focus too much on speed tuning?
carmine mason
But there is some combination of not rolling every single rune And volume of farming
Rakan arts where
I think the seara and rakan are hard to rune both tuned to the swift Orion so yeah lower stats but at least seara the speed is nice because you will cycle a ton into more bombs
gaunt torrent
yeah gonna add rakan arts once i figure out whether i should give him more hp/atk or def
and skill ups too
but losing very hard to my very average shield will comp
carmine mason
What’s the comp
gaunt torrent
zaiross gally tiana
west bobcat
getting swift triples just takes long but when you get them they greatly improve swift depth since you only need 3 swift runes with spd per set
I average about 1 triple spd a day, so eventually you get enough that are swift
it just takes long
gaunt torrent
What happens when Zaiross gets def break
ok just had that happen, rakan can't kill zaiross with collapse. so perhaps i need more damage?
carmine mason
You need rakan to get a def broken target to the range where it dies or seara retarget
You probably missed crit also?
You don’t need to win 100% also - with swift you’re banking on getting wins from bad offenses racing you and losing
carmine mason
I average about 1 triple spd a day, so eventually you get enough that are swift
I think a lot of people don’t roll purples that start with 4 speed or don’t roll flats also
Even 4-4 8 speed at the 3+
west bobcat
ok I do skip the 4-4 spd ones sometimes
gaunt torrent
You probably missed crit also?
yeah it did miss, killed it another time
gaunt torrent
atm, looking at 20% wr against shield will cleave
gaunt torrent
So try and get a lil more cr I would say
gonna screw up all my tuning 🥲
i'll let it run tomorrow and hope it'll float still
carmine mason
You’re not trying to win high against shield will with swift Orion tho
You’re trying to have a chance to win
gaunt torrent
that's fair
carmine mason
And gamble on shit comps with less speed losing to your outspeed
Like someone trying to Susano Kona lushen
gaunt torrent
i don't think 313 is particularly fast tho is it
btw do yall just power up runes later?
gaunt torrent
i can't be bothered doing blues cause the auto sell filters arent that great
unless if there's a way to not sell blue +6 on 4/6?
carmine mason
Just autonsell but click on 4/6s or swift runes
The auto sell just auto selects stuff you can deselect
gaunt torrent
im just complaining at this point, but the tick makes it so hard to see i manually deslect to verify anyway haha
does wtl still beat carcano iris triana?
gaunt torrent
am i meant to make triana hard to lushen? otherwise seems really ez
carmine mason
You can
You can’t counter everything tho
Tanky iris can also be anti lushen
But tank and tank iris you def lose to twl
It’s rock paper scissors
gaunt torrent
oh what's the win condition for carc iris triana to win against twl?
atm im losing to both lushen and twl
tough rose
on a side note, my seara orion rakan def feels really ass rn. did i focus too mu...
is it ok if we make a seperate thread for this?
there's already so much in this thread
tough rose
Right now I can peak 2k gb12 runs in a day
yeah I can't farm that much if nothing else because i only get the two daily packs
and also my giants team is too slow
carmine mason
its not that slow
i think just new accounts get a ton of free energy/crystals so maybe our past experience with alt accounts is including that beginginer time with a lot more resources idk
tough rose
i can't farm 12h/day either, i would say i farm 6 or so 5 days a week
i try to farm more but that's all i can do.
carmine mason
Yeah I’m not accusing you I’m just trying to think of things that cause more of a gap that g3 siege players take for granted
Like me saying I could farm a 200 swift set in a week may be like 3 months of your farming
And that’s ok I’m just an addict
gentle condor
Like me saying I could farm a 200 swift set in a week may be like 3 months of yo...
you meant to say that it's bullshit
dawn rune
what is your team
carmine mason
Theyre saying limited on crystals not time it seems
twin gate
sorry to beat a dead horse here, but i've been thinking about this since the dis...
i think the shorthand to all of this is you simply don't farm giants enough to have the swift needed
theres an aspect of luck of course but eventually to ice everything out with like 20-24 bases is just time, and since you're also presumably F2P or a very light spender it's entirely possible that you just don't have the crystal income or are just splitting it hard to where you haven't made meaningful progress in swift
at low farming amounts the luck aspect shines brighter so its possible you and jx's alt have farmed the same amount and he (jx9) just got better rolls; only farming a ton and playing the odds will even that out
tough rose
please don't call me he ^^
tough rose
what is your team
its dot team. i use kro in sr5 and it just ends up being slower with him on a tanky build
yeah, i just do daily packs.
maybe it is possible to make a team with what i have available but honestly i don't know so much about it
and 50s is fast enough for me
faster would be cool.
west bobcat
it takes a decent amount of farming to get swift triples so with very low volume gb12 it takes longer, there's not much else to it
I think that if you exclusively farm gb12 for one month, you will see a clearer improvement in swift depth
dawn rune
maybe it is possible to make a team with what i have available but honestly i do...
technically you can try the mellia icaru team
tough rose
what's that?
dawn rune
that's my toah mellia, and my sr5 kro
tough rose
that's my toah mellia, and my sr5 kro
i wouldn't have enough defense for team ups
also my kro is slow sr5 kro, not the one used in the guide!
tough rose
Could I have more suggestions vs this? Got unlucky here and missed 2x def break and reset on draco. I have raki but she isnt skilled up and idk what I do wrong but every time I try to use her she doesnt deal enough damage. I have mephisto also.
carmine mason
Miho let’s goooo
I used to love garo Chloe skogul into stuff like this
High res skogul shield will
Or vampire skogul
Odin can’t snipe anything turn 1 then you just tank forever with skogul while garo kills everything
I would kill Odin or Draco first prolly
Max res skogul is unlikely to be stripped
tough rose
I want to but non Chloe owner, I could make miho
carmine mason
Miho is legit just solo angle or you can do like booster miho cov and snipe the Draco
tough rose
Is this some swift songseol with a spd lead or something?
I have never had her recommended before. A bit exotic, I want monsters in the toolbox that can help!
carmine mason
It’s decent but Jx will not approve
Usually it’s like Fran swift songsol tesa
The songsol stops Draco buffs so Odin doesn’t get stacks , you kill him with attack buff Tessa
But if Draco just doesn’t s3 turn 1 you can lose pretty easily
@unique flame what do you think about songsol
tranquil junco
But if Draco just doesn’t s3 turn 1 you can lose pretty easily
tbf
you have 2 turns not 1
iirc bc she halves her own speed during song
- tesa can just yeet odin off of a passive
twin gate
Is this some swift songseol with a spd lead or something?
yes
generally your goal with songseol is to legit go turn 1 then try and send someone into the fucking sun
i think i used to see seara songseol triana but that one feels dicey based on whether you land a bomb which is rough
fran tesa song is a bit safer but you have two shots for tesa to land oblivion and if he doesn't then you might be fked
obliv or defbreak
unique flame
i hate songseol i will never use her (again)
with miho team you can do like a full 3 hard to kill bruiser
like miho garo camilla or something
tough rose
i'm always down for multiple takes and options
tough rose
Does summoner1722 have wind madeleine? @unique flame
I was looking through the second to last update and I've noticed you don't use him as a booster ever. I know he's sort of new tech but I'm curious about it.\
unique flame
I was looking through the second to last update and I've noticed you don't use h...
no i dont have
you can use him he's good
tough rose
I like him a lot. I was able to make the double snipe team which I use most sieges (covenant madeleine sonia) with him. I couldn't meet the requirements without him.
carmine mason
I just made praline this week
tough rose
<:sip:991521396184317972> <@728158806588129281> its been a while
Been in the hospital for 10 days. Have been managing to get my dailies in but that is about it. When I am in better health this will continue!
gentle condor
nicest people always have it the worst
tranquil junco
Been in the hospital for 10 days. Have been managing to get my dailies in but th...
Jesus you ok?
rigid plover
west bobcat
take care therion
tough rose
Thank you friends, I think I’ll be ok but we will see =)
drifting hearth
Take care wish you a fast recovery
upper flint
Get well soon @tough rose 
tough rose
tough rose
i'm back from 22 day hospital stay. what would you guys run against this?
rigid plover
That really feels like Chacha + 2 wind would work
Triana being one of the wind
tough rose
i used chacha already. was thinking cha cha/jubelle + triana + logan maybe
i guess not logan. not sure what else i'd run :D
rigid plover
I was thinking of Logan too
tough rose
i understand
tranquil junco
so id recommend a dupe or two
tough rose
i was more thinking of a dark tank that is <5*, i don't have any other ones
tranquil junco
just in general
tough rose
i'll make another chacha
tough rose
Galleon kaki +1?
unique flame
yes, ideally +1 can even be another oni like fuuki or suiki
upper flint
yes, ideally +1 can even be another oni like fuuki or suiki
How would you prevent getting cut and losing your kaki to vigor S3 > whatever from kinki?
unique flame
what do you mean getting cut
it's a 2nd turn comp
one of the biggest advantages of kaki as a dd is that he's not super squishy
upper flint
I suppose you need will on him then
unique flame
yes
upper flint
Alright, gotcha
tough rose
I know I was told this before, but I had forgotten. What accuracy should orion be shooting for on defense?
I know it was on the lower end and obviously solid numbers don't mean too much here.
tranquil junco
I know I was told this before, but I had forgotten. What accuracy should orion b...
Depends, what’s the def
tough rose
Seara orion rakan
tranquil junco
Seara orion rakan
How are you building it, just raw efficacy or trying to trap something
cursive canyonBOT
Here is the requested monster.
provided by SWARFARM
Here is the requested monster.
provided by SWARFARM
Here is the requested monster.
provided by SWARFARM
tough rose
I want to move orion to hp%
No trap in mind
Still farming giants exclusively with some r5 pretty much but dont have a good swift set yet for orion
cursive canyonBOT
provided by SWARFARM
tranquil junco
why did i think hamster awakened acc
you can probably just slap an acc arti onto him and hit 60 easy
with the random acc gems
drifting hearth
swift or vio is better on this def?
unique flame
vio is always than swift for everything. but swift is acceptable for the sake of rune economy - i.e. you have a monster like orion that you can use both offense and defense on the same set
unique flame
I know I was told this before, but I had forgotten. What accuracy should orion b...
there's no target to shoot for. you can always justify lower accuracy with more of other stats
tough rose
vs carcano iris triana?
tried TWL and lost. tried fran triana kaki, also lost. tried garo draco kahli, that was really stupid, lost.
unique flame
cleave with galleon bernard julie
single target should be good too, like garo/tq raoq verde or susano megan stella
if you want to bruiser it you need to have multiple supports so that you dont just lose if iris locks down one of them
malite + 2 water is better than twl here
with the 2 water being vigor + 1, lots of different options for the 2nd water
elucia wrecks iris with her s3
tetra lets you sustain even if stunned
tough rose
hmm okay
unique flame
or just lulu
tough rose
that was the idea with fran triana kaki but did not work very well, i guess triana also is not amazing against iris (in this context) because of multihits
unique flame
fran triana kaki sounds ok but depends on your builds i guess
tough rose
vs khmun vigor roid?
i like khmun racuni malite but some other ideas?
carmine mason
Khmun vigor roid felt like rina double wind angle
You want a water tank that is ok never moving, or double immunity like lulu triana is prolly okish too
tough rose
i just realized i need to have rina built even though i have camilla
since 4* bases exist
how about like hraesvelg cdmg triana rina?
i'd like to try using logan also, i haven't used him since i built him because the build i have him on is very very squishy and it's felt hard to find situations where he is useful
feel like maybe i should switch him up a bit to be a bit tankier
unique flame
yes rina 2 wind is good, you just have to make sure that the winds are bruisers and not glass cannon nukers. khmun can hurt
also if you're using an aoe wind like hraes you have to be careful about hitting roid, he's popular on rev and you don't want to get revenge def broken
tough rose
the one i hit with khmun racuni malite ended up being on revenge
it was awkward actually because he can taunt malite and sometimes racuni doesn't get it off
i'm learning the hard way one of the first things you all taught me
about defenses here, i've tried to stretch myself thin since my guild has so many poor defenses
it ends up being difficult especially when those monsters don't always translate well into offense
summer stone
make less defenses but make them as strong as you can
you only need one strong defense to make it harder to take a tower
tough rose
yeah, i know the idea
when i'm ready to play higher siege i plan to do so
right now they are all getting wins at least so i think i'm just going to leave them and continue to develop more knowledge
that is what i want more than anything, is to learn, i don't care so much about the rest, i don't know enough right now
summer stone
Imo you will learn more from high level guilds
carmine mason
Join my guild 
tranquil junco
Imo you will learn more from high level guilds
the issue is getting in
summer stone
Not really that bad
tranquil junco
theres a barrier of entry in terms of just unit depth
tranquil junco
twin gate
low g3 barrier is like nonexistent just make a 2a a week
higher g3 is definitely way more constrictive though
tough rose
Getting into one is hard and I also don't want to troll. I'm not winning 10/10 consistently in G1
Last time I applied to a g2 guild I got rejected :^)
tough rose
Join my guild <:peepoblush:981305729631789096>
aren't you playing with skyfall?
tranquil junco
aren't you playing with skyfall?
@carmine mason send me a hug emote in here for me pls
carmine mason
tranquil junco
Tyty
gray meteorBOT
jx9
tough rose
@unique flame I have monte rotting in storage. I'm assuming this is an asset if I apply to a guild in the future?
tough rose
Do I need a different triana for vs seara orion perna & vs khmun bastet odin?
unique flame
same one. can swap arti though if you want to tryhard
monte is good on siege def, are you not in a guild right now? not understanding what you're trying to say
gentle condor
Probably thinking of trying for higher level guild
unique flame
but having monte or not shouldn't affect that. with the exception of the very top guilds, any other guild that's going to reject you because of your monster box is not understanding siege and isn't one you should want to join
tranquil junco
I think realistically it probably takes….. 2-3? Months to fully develop a workable offense box with 1-2 of most of the useful units. Unless you’re applying to a tourney guild you should be fine
Plenty of time to develop that during season
tough rose
but having monte or not shouldn't affect that. with the exception of the very to...
i've been rejected already from a g2 guild on my box
but i guess i need to find a smarter guild in that case, i don't feel like my box is lacking so much anymore, before perhaps, but i've made a lot of progress
shell vapor
i've been rejected already from a g2 guild on my box
yeah if a g2 guild is rejecting you based off your box then you dodged a bullet 
tough rose
like i said before I want to make sure that I am learned enough before I start looking around too much
and I think I have a lot left to learn still, i'm learning every siege I feel
tough rose
Do I need a different triana for vs seara orion perna & vs khmun bastet odin?
I can't make a second violent triana on 239 tick with 100% resistance and violent with enough tankiness
tough rose
this is just with totem on to show speed tick. is this still acceptable? (since theres no violent)
summer stone
I can't make a second violent triana on 239 tick with 100% resistance and violen...
Do you have one with a set your happy with?
I’d just rune swap honestly
tough rose
i don't want to rune swap anymore
cursive canyonBOT
Here are the requested monsters.
provided by SWARFARM
tough rose
the first (#2 on list) is defense
tough rose
i don't want to rune swap anymore
this isn't related to the question though, i decided i'm not doing rune swapping anymore either way, i already constantly run out of mana
artifacts of course i will, but not runes
summer stone
I have found that cycling s2 and passive is massive. Others may tell you otherwise but I think vio is the only way to go
drifting hearth
Your vio set is pretty good as well I'd make an exception and rune swap on this case D:
tough rose
#1 this is not the rune set that should be used against the offenses I described taking triana into
#2 I am not going to swap runes, and if I did, I would not do it with a monster on defense
I know violent helps a lot. I just want to be able to hit seara orion perna once per siege right now.
I will test vs guildy seara orion perna and see how reliable it is I guess. Best way to check!
drifting hearth
can't you just cleave it with garo draco kahli
tough rose
I cannot, no
I lose to swift orion if I do
I don't play race. I lose it. When draco is +200 I will start considering to.
cursive canyonBOT
Here is the requested monster.
provided by SWARFARM
drifting hearth
o ye makes sense now
full dragon
I can't make a second violent triana on 239 tick with 100% resistance and violen...
You can do a high HP Triana for the Odin
where you don't need the RES
tough rose
You can do a high HP Triana for the Odin
I was going for trying to do both with one triana!
tough rose
Currently have two trianas only and one is on defense
full dragon
You can't really do both with 1 Triana
one of them will be weaker for one of the defenses
tough rose
I honestly mostly just want to be able to hit seara orion perna. I can wait on khmun bastet odin.
full dragon
SOP you'd want the RES one
tough rose
That is the most common defense I skip that I really want to stop skipping
full dragon
KBO you run high HP -wind Triana
tough rose
Every other meta defense I have encountered besides these two I've had a solution by the next siege
But since SOP is so common I really want to get this sorted
full dragon
What have you got for SOP?
tough rose
Fran malaka triana is all I know to really do. Everything else has seemed too inconsistent or risky
tranquil junco
what do you have nonfarmables
full dragon
Unless you get into turn 1 teams, Triana is going to be pretty important unfortunately
tough rose
full dragon
if going for safety
tough rose
I understand
full dragon
2 water + wind is somewhat a format
some guilds swear by Malite, Vigor, Lulu vs. SOP
the premium version being Bolverk, Amelia, Windy
tough rose
I can certainly try that too.
full dragon
ye, should be safer than some of the options where Orion landing a strip isn't a straight loss
tranquil junco
the premium version being Bolverk, Amelia, Windy
this is extremely safe btw
full dragon
like Galleon teams got weaker
tough rose
I would love to if I had bolverk. Someday!!
full dragon
yep, so would give MVL a shot for SOP
cursive canyonBOT
therionshadow1? Never heard of him/her - Account doesn't exist or not public.
tough rose
Does this work vs SOP? i had to rerune malite recently
cursive canyonBOT
Here is the requested monster.
provided by SWARFARM
tough rose
The defense is a bit on the lower side
full dragon
give me your SWARFARM and I can add it and always view it handy
tough rose
full dragon
I got it
summer stone
Cloud swfarm leaked 
full dragon
ye that Malite should be fine. Malite is relatively going to scale with your rune quality, so if that's your best it'll be fine
Looks great tho, probably +15 artis would be nice, but I figure mana cost
tranquil junco
Discord has a notes feature
wait it does?
full dragon
ye click my pfp and look at bottom
tranquil junco
oh that
tough rose
Looks great tho, probably +15 artis would be nice, but I figure mana cost
Yup, 1.5 million left :D
tough rose
I will never be one of the cool kids with hundreds of millions of mana
tranquil junco
build mephisto/water holly if you can
full dragon
I will never be one of the cool kids with hundreds of millions of mana
don't worry, neither will I 
tranquil junco
tough rose
I never use him though. Haven't figured that part out yet
summer stone
Me too
tranquil junco
I never use him though. Haven't figured that part out yet
use with shren +surger
into nana defs
murder the threat, afk
tough rose
Water hollyberry I know is good. Is she seeing use on offense too? I plan to build her for RTA eventually. No devilmon though. Also I'l put shren on my list of units to build.
tough rose
Ah. My guild does not run any right now.
tough rose
Makes sense.
tough rose
Right now I have too many defenses already I think. But in a couple months I will look at it. Every month on FRR trying to have guild look at defense changes potentially
tough rose
No lm
I don't have her and guild does not stack it
Ill show sec
Also clara belita maruna.
Everything stacks with guild except theo tesa riley. But nothing fancy there. Theomars is on mostly leftovers and riley tesa I use all the time because. Obvious reasons.
shell vapor
powerful coco defense
tough rose
<:postthisdog:941714448131973151> powerful coco defense
vs mo woosa laika guys? 4 hours sleep here can't brain
summer stone
do you have a helena?
tough rose
west bobcat
what about nem harmonia + water twins
tranquil junco
That works fine
shell vapor
Arn 
ld
tough rose
is arnold not a meme unit guys
i thought this was a meme
if you guys don't stop recommending him i'm going to build him you know
rigid plover
is arnold not a meme unit guys
He's not great yeah
tough rose
i played vs this slayer of gods defense today harm mo monte
rigid plover
Too easy for things to go wrong
tough rose
now i want to build it
carmine mason
vs mo woosa laika guys? 4 hours sleep here can't brain
cov bastet odin
or am i too late
tough rose
not odin (or bastet t_t) owner unfortunately
i was asking to learn!
summer stone
Aren’t you relying too much on bastet healblock there?
tranquil junco
not odin (or bastet t_t) owner unfortunately
i was asking to learn!
cookie offense works too
shoot harmonia and mo
you might be able to copper dozer it too ngl
copper mo dozer harm
tough rose
so i only have sonia, not claire
i was considering doing it but i was worried about laika soloing
tough rose
copper mo dozer harm
I'm trying to stop doing "might" as much as I possibly can afford to these days
My copper bulldozer is not the best and I would be lying if I said I havent lost similar to shield -dmg artifacts etc
tranquil junco
can also just abuse the fact mo wont go for triana
and just run triana elucia type stuff
drifting hearth
do you have a helena?
Do you happen to have a helena that is used for that and you can share it stats?
shell vapor
is arnold not a meme unit guys
don’t bother with him
tough rose
don’t bother with him <:hms:1062134067958648863> <:hms:1062134067958648863>
why won't people stop suggesting him?!?!
shell vapor
because people think he’s an omega OP secret tech 8000 counter into mo
summer stone
Do you happen to have a helena that is used for that and you can share it stats?
Don’t laugh but she has never failed me
drifting hearth
Don’t laugh but she has never failed me
LOL thanks
unique flame
arnold is not meme but his use is more niche than his supporters would make you believe
i would not recommend building arnold against mo
tough rose
what do you all reckon? does this go to chacha? i lose 100% res if i put it on them
unique flame
literally any tank?
chacha, jultan, jubelle, dias, tractor, windy, lala, etc
you can change other runes to keep 100 res if you want the res
tough rose
I want to try to drop the res in favor of 205 tick
cursive canyonBOT
Here is the requested monster.
provided by SWARFARM
Here are your builds.
provided by SWOP
tough rose
the one on the right is 100% res, i just would gem over something useless. i'm curious if it seems worthwhile. or if the build chacha is on now is fine.
drifting hearth
Personally I'd go with the second one
full dragon
If you're vs. a defense where you want the RES, yes
If you're vs. a defense where RES does nothing for you, no
ie: Acc lead defenses or typical high Acc mons
or if you want to use s3 onto a Kinki at some point or other high RES, then high Acc Chacha
unique flame
if you want a generic build for everything, i personally prefer my max res builds and i'm willing to give up a good chunk of stats for it
that doesn't mean non res builds are bad of course, they're just different. and like CT mentioned if you're going up against for example nana lead, then res builds are definitely worse
that 2nd build is much better you don't even lose that much stats for the res
full dragon
what do you all reckon? does this go to chacha? i lose 100% res if i put it on t...
wait this is insane
tough rose
I currently am simply lacking rune depth to develop multiple different builds there
That is why I prefer to go for the generic route for now, I'm pretty much at the point where if a blue rune drops with hp% on slot 6 revenge i'll +15 it because i have 3 of them
tough rose
full dragon
Slot 2/4/6 HP% w/ ~20%+ DEF sub is nice
full dragon
Do you happen to have an ATK% with high HP sub?
sometimes it's good for Windy if he doesn't need to be a complete meatshield
tough rose
i actually do not own a slot 4 (?)/6 rune atk% main stat with hp% sub
there was one, hold on
i was using this before
full dragon
that's nice
tough rose
but defense rune now
what were you running vs liu mei before cloud? i know a lot of the time you ran chacha instead of jultan, i'm curious why
i'm not sure ive seen a video you've used jultan in actually
full dragon
It depends on the defense, cause all of the dark tanks fit a niche
tough rose
chandra nora liu mei for instance
shell vapor
jubelle
full dragon
Chacha I'd use with the Carcano, Chacha, Triana kind of teams
tough rose
that is what i meant to say
tough rose
if its turn cycling i use jultan
could you explain this?
shell vapor
because jultan can get melted by a perna
or whatever
he doesn't actually have built in skill/passive that makes him tanky
full dragon
Jubelle is better for straight tanking when there's CC, cause you can cycle out of DEF breaks and CC. Also good for DEF break.
shell vapor
u just rune him tanky
full dragon
Chacha isn't good when there's multiple forms of cc
shell vapor
chacha doesn't do anything when stunned
tough rose
right
shell vapor
u need her to rev to put shield up
tough rose
so for example vs chandra nora liu mei, what would you look at?
full dragon
Jubelle is nice there
full dragon
cause there's a chance of at least 2 of them being on Despair with these kind of defenses
tough rose
i did the malite route vs sop the other day by the way and it worked perfectly
tough rose
basically i need more elucia and vigor
full dragon
You can do something like Susano Lulu Jubelle
full dragon
What causes losses vs. this def is when the defense has multiple Despair sets and you can't move
tough rose
with susano on 50% res + vampire?
full dragon
Running a Water DD w/ self or team cleanse, Lulu/Tetra, Jubelle is probably the safest option, but more premium
tough rose
Running a Water DD w/ self or team cleanse, Lulu/Tetra, Jubelle is probably the ...
some examples of this look like?
full dragon
with susano on 50% res + vampire?
You can, it's good for trying to mitigate Chandra cc mainly
or LM s3
full dragon
some examples of this look like?
Chow, Josephine
tough rose
ok, i was gonna ask about josephine
i wasn't sure if that qualified under the category of DD
why do you keep coming in here and writing random messages
full dragon
she has some serious damage, especially after recent patch means you don't really need any CR
can do a super efficient slot 4 CD
shell vapor
tough rose
does manon do the job decently enough? i'm thinking that could be an interesting option
since she can't really be CC'd in the first place and a little extra protection. plus she slaps
full dragon
I tested her shortly and it seemed promising
cursive canyonBOT
provided by SWARFARM
tough rose
i remember you had her on defense once pre buff
so chandra can strip i guess but i think it's inconsequential overall (in regards to manon)
full dragon
The s2 can help a bit with mitigating, but her being water helps a decent amount, and you're getting passive procs to slow down the defense
tough rose
right
drifting hearth
Chow, Josephine
Can you share a chow build for this?
full dragon
I don't have a build, but you'd just build him ~239/286 on a more damage-oriented build
drifting hearth
vio destroy? or w/e what second set I use
full dragon
yeah Violent/Destroy
drifting hearth
thank you very much
full dragon
Nora is only sustain, but Destroy makes that sustain weaker until you kill your first target
essentially dealing more dmg
tranquil junco
@tough rose dark tank selection
Can be summed as follows
How does the def do damage
Destroy chip damage: chacha
Large damage spikes: Jubelle
Taking 9198292189347292 turns: jultan
Narsha: Dias
shell vapor
categorize cayde 
summer stone
Seara
shell vapor
where 90% of the comps u see her used in cayde isn't even a good option
shell vapor
Seara Nora kinki is still kinda a thing
is cayde better than chacha here though
wont u get outdestroyed
carmine mason
Out destroyed with only Nora sustain ain’t no way lil bro
tough rose
What order do you think should be focused with malite lulu vigor vs sop @full dragon ?
i feel like the team wasn't bad but i got rune/artifact gapped. i only have +8% on light
what do you all think?
i shot and did not kill shazam
unique flame
What order do you think should be focused with malite lulu vigor vs sop <@151787...
orion first
tough rose
i usually do orion -> seara -> perna
unique flame
i feel like the team wasn't bad but i got rune/artifact gapped. i only have +8% ...
yes just rune/arti gap, you should be able to 1 shot every normal monster in the game (normal as in something that doesn't have some damage mitigation passive)
tough rose
got it.
unique flame
don't feel bad though it's not supposed to be easy. shazam has crazy hp with the hp lead, and i know its tough getting the dmg with spd req early on
tough rose
vs moore savannah + fire? (kaki in this case, for example)
can i do feng +2 fire?
Some advice vs #2? It was a win but better runes I lose for sure
I think #3 is bad also
ripe kraken
For number 2 something like khumn Kona covenant immediately comes to mind snipe the Shizuka then work down the rest use teon either works. Round 3 maybe galleon bernard julie
tough rose
tough rose
For number 2 something like khumn Kona covenant immediately comes to mind snipe ...
What are some options if I only have a fast covenant?
ripe kraken
How much damage does your attack buff cov do?
cursive canyonBOT
provided by SWARFARM
rigid plover
Seems plausible
Also that def is really not that great so I doubt it has that level of tank
ripe kraken
Geld you don’t care about as long as khumn has at least 1% acc
You eventually kill him
Or destroy
If you are still worried though lemme think
tough rose
50k sounds like enough damage. I think it's fair.
Also I did not realize shizuka could use s2 "revive" when mephisto is on field
ripe kraken
Yeah probably because it’s more like a temporary summon rather than true revive
rigid plover
It's not really a revive
unique flame
vs moore savannah + fire? (kaki in this case, for example)
can i do feng +2 fire...
i would much prefer to cleave this type of def than bruiser. julie, lushen, khmun racuni cov can all work fine
if you want to do feng + 2 fire just have to make sure whatever fire you use they are super tanky. like racuni is not tanky enough
even better would be fire monsters that are on high def builds so they can't get def broken by sav. i.e. vela, XF
that second def with shizuka got me curious, can shizuka s2 a unit that's been killed with anti revive
or does that not count
and also when shizuka revives a unit is that unit treated as having 100% hp, or 0% hp
tough rose
that second def with shizuka got me curious, can shizuka s2 a unit that's been k...
no, that was what i had said above, i thought it wouldn't work but she can still s2 dead units
tranquil junco
Number four I’m sketch on
If the tuning is Tesa before narsha the defense can go for coco instead
cursive canyonBOT
Here is the requested monster.
provided by SWARFARM
tranquil junco
2 is kinda sketch, miles can just outsped you, stun/kill a damage dealer and you’re in trouble
Bulk doesn’t matter a ton here
tough rose
I don't think she dies to violent proc most likely