#Don't add replay to active matter

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nova python
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If you search other game like arena breakout infinite and Escape from Tarkov, they don’t have replay for whole match to show everything, content creator still can make good video.

A replay system is not vital for the game, instead, it will destroy active matter.

1.If you can see the whole replay like Enlisted, this mean you can see all loot location and all monster position.
2.Gameplay is the main core of what content creator need to do.

Every player I’ve spoken to so far downvote the replay system, it will destroy the game itself.

Active matter is a game for looting all of the place and exploring maps to clear the dark zone.
If you add replay like enlisted, you can see all loots and moster position in replay, players will lose interest to this game. Thank for your effort, the game is boring as hell, no lore, no mysterious, everything can be seen in replay.

Instead we can do this.

Add death cam after the raid end which means your team also end the raid. Then you can see which monster kill you or which player kill you.

lethal needle
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I mean, the monster spawn locations now are already pretty static, I think the teal solution is just to make monsters roam or atleast spawn dynamically so its different with every match

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Im not sure about ABI but I know theres alot of hackers in tarkov, and a replay system would be helpful in stopping that as well as for identifying bugs

dreamy pasture
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Lack of a replay system has been a major issue in tarkov for years. Monster positions are in fixed locations currently but still randomised, but more dynamic systems would be good.

nova python
frosty compass
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Me when all of this can be datamined anyway...

willow vault
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i personally do not like replays, deathcam yes, replay no, this is not a game where you make better content because you can film yourself from 180 perspectives

nova python
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That is how developer need to prevent from datamine.

frosty compass
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There's only so much they can make serverside

willow vault
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and if you wanna give people better thumbnail, give them the option to enter maps without enemys and have a photomode

nova python
frosty compass
nova python
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You mean the ping on the map?

frosty compass
nova python
willow vault
frosty compass
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What's Enlisted got to do with any of this?

nova python
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I know what you are saying

frosty compass
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EFT would probably benefit from a replay system 🤷‍♂️

nova python
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Like the training room

frosty compass
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There's a ton of ways they could implement a replay system that doesn't result in any of the "issues" you describe.

nova python
willow vault
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@frosty compass tell me 1 shooter that has an replay system, and profits on social media

frosty compass
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Nobody is asking for a server side replay...

frosty compass
nova python
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Until now no replay in Tarkov so why AM need?

frosty compass
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Any more stupid questions?

willow vault
nova python
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Enlisted and Active matter are not the same type game.

frosty compass
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Not exactly a solid argument...

nova python
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Because we don't want to and replay make the game worse.

frosty compass
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It doesn't have to.

nova python
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It become arcade game.

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No lore no legend no mysterious.

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Everything is open data.

frosty compass
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There's plenty of ways they could do a replay system that doesn't result in the 'issues' you describe.

frosty compass
nova python
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If AM add replay for whole battle see every enemy monster and player.
I would not choose to keep playing.

nova python
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You don't need to say loud about datamine so it is legit to make replay

frosty compass
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You can only prevent so much.

nova python
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Like we have copycat game copy so we should give out game free?

frosty compass
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And like I said on the forums; even without datamining, players will still collaberate to collect such data.

nova python
frosty compass
nova python
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They work in game not in replay

frosty compass
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Who says a replay should allow you to see everything?

nova python
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No

frosty compass
frosty compass
nova python
frosty compass
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Ok.

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Good talk 🫡

nova python
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This is why content maker are despised by we players.

nova python
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I said we can add death cam.

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Prevent cheater.

frosty compass
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Death cam is not a replay system.

nova python
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The only one not open is you.

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But it can prevent cheater.

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From seeing through the walls.

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AND

frosty compass
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Ok, so 1. it doesn't prevent cheating... And 2. being able to more easily identify cheaters isn't the only reason I want a replay system.

nova python
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Enlisted replay is bad, sometime you can't know whether the player is cheat or not from the replay.

frosty compass
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I choose my words carefully

nova python
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Let me be honest for you, you just want to have whole view from the replay and make your video.

frosty compass
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Nope.

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Not what I want.

nova python
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We also have other CC not using replay for their content but still have lots of sub.

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Good night.

frosty compass
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Correct, different people have different content styles.

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You can make perfectly good content without a replay system.

nova python
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From player side, replay is a big NO.

frosty compass
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I strongly disagree

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My opinion is more nuanced

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You just don't want any replay system outright because you believe any replay system would cause issues.

nova python
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No need to defend it anymore, and also if AM add replay, it is easy for me choose not to play, nothing harm to me :).

frosty compass
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When in reality this doesn't have to be the case.

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Right, but if all info you're talking about was datamined... Would you then also quit?

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Or if players came together to catalogue all loot spawns, would you then also quit?

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😆

nova python
nova python
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If you really want to have replay.
I have another suggestion, add replay after the raid but same as in tour gameplay aspect, that is 100% same as in gameplay.

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So you don't need to record by yourself.

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🙂

frosty compass
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For example 25 meters.

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Similair to how GTA5's replays work

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I feel 25m is quite limited, but it's better than nothing at all.

nova python
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I think first person view is fine no third.

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Arena breakout infinite also first person view death cam

frosty compass
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That completely defeats the purpose of a replay system...

nova python
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If CC can stand with players, the game will be better.

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But the truth is some CC goal is their video, maybe not you but others

frosty compass
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Your entire opinion is based on arguments you believe to be true

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Eventhough there is no evidence for this

nova python
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If I am CC I would like have replay function for my video

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Yes I have evidence

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I already told you Tarkov and Arena Break out don't have replay.

frosty compass
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That is not evidence for your arguments against a replay system.

nova python
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Because this kind of game shouldn't have replay.

frosty compass
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😆

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Listen, we're all entitled to our thoughts and opinions

nova python
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No

frosty compass
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But don't forget to take a step back sometimes and evaluate your biasses...

nova python
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If you have replay system then you will know how many players are in the raid, as you said before like enlisted.

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But actually I ask dev before

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They are not intend to tell

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how many players are in the game

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We players should always think there are still have a lot of enemy in the raid

frosty compass
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None of this has to be data available in a replay?
Not to mention you can see how many players are in a raid when you play as a distorted, but that is a seperate issue...

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Again, you seem to think that there's only one way to make a replay system.

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That isn't true.

nova python
frosty compass
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I know

nova python
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They have good intend

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and actually they already nerf monster player

frosty compass
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I know.

nova python
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In the next CBT I trust they will nerf it again

frosty compass
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No doubt

nova python
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And

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I think it is good to have monster player

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I once want to take out monster stone

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And I found even the stone is in your backpack

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The icon still on the map

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and moving with you

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So there are so many game play method about anti monster stone

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I wont tell

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Because that is my strategy

frosty compass
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None of this is coherent, sorry

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Are you talking about using the monster pick-up as bait?

nova python
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Yes, so monster stone is not the excuse of implement replay

frosty compass
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Never said it was

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😆

nova python
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Actually

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Sheclov whatever its name

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the basic map

frosty compass
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Close enough...

nova python
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Is unplayable now for new player

frosty compass
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Why?

nova python
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Because too less monster position

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It become pvp map

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100%

frosty compass
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What makes you think that?

nova python
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Everyone want to do mission

frosty compass
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There's usually very few players in those raids...

nova python
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so there are many fights there

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no

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Maybe you not play enough

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Military base map is big

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but better loot

frosty compass
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This is not a map issue

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This is a player density issue

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Granted, I've yet to have that issue, but I can see what you mean

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If true, they can solve this by limiting the number of players on that raid even further

nova python
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yes so I said sheclov map is not friendly for new player because old player camp every mission position

frosty compass
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The same can be true for all the other maps

nova python
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but why we discuss it arent we talk about replay lmao

frosty compass
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You can camp any extract position / mission objective

nova python
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I mean yeah sure you can add replay

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but this will make game harder

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I accept the challenge

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No place to hide you need to keep moving and use brain more to out smart other operative

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that is fine

frosty compass
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How does a replay system stop you from hiding?

nova python
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Becuase I can see through replay to do some statistic hiding spot

frosty compass
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??????

nova python
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So when I get that position I would throw a grenade

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becuase I already know by the replay I watch before there is high chance enemy camp there

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And I can see everyone's replay

frosty compass
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If you need a replay to determine where people are likely to camp... You are doing it wrong 😆

nova python
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I can do some research to every player's style

frosty compass
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Yeah, sure

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In theory

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In practice... Good luck watching 718745987197566 replays.

nova python
nova python
frosty compass
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Brother idgaf about enlisted 🤷‍♂️

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Enlisted is a different game

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Enlisted also has a VERY intrusive replay

nova python
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As you can see enlisted are different game

frosty compass
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AM could have a far less intrusive replay system

nova python
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so why we need replay

frosty compass
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idk why you think AM replay = Enlisted replay

frosty compass
nova python
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because you want to make content you must have replay like enlisted or else it is like gameplay

frosty compass
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Nope.

nova python
frosty compass
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I'm not arguing for the same replay system Enlisted has...

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I'm arguing for having any replay system at all

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Like I said; it doesn't need to be very intrusive.

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But you keep ignoring this.

nova python
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So what is your replay system be like.
I already give out mine, you just ignore it

frosty compass
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I didn't ignore it

nova python
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yes and it is your word intrusive

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I just say replay is not suitable for AM since there is a reason for tarkov and abi dont add replay

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and u said am need replay because for content

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i said okay we can add replay

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and show u how replay affect gameplay

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the game become harder

frosty compass
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There is no evidence any of your assumptions.

nova python
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I am not assume

frosty compass
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You do assume.

nova python
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I didnt give assumptions I give out fact

frosty compass
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You don't.

dull gale
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I think you're going in circles at this point, perhaps it's time to agree to disagree and move on?

frosty compass
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By definiton.

frosty compass
nova python
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So what is ur advice?

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My advice is add death cam no replay

frosty compass
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Advice?

nova python
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what about urs?

frosty compass
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You already know.

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No need to repeat myself again.

nova python
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u said u want to be like enlisted before but u deny it now

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in the forum

frosty compass
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No! I said multiple times that I do NOT think AM needs a replay system like Enlisted's.

nova python
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okay

frosty compass
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It can function differently.

nova python
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okay so how

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third person view?

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okay that is fine

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accept

frosty compass
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Like this.

nova python
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okay

dull gale
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@nova python the presence or absence of a replay system is pretty orthogonal to your worries, people will collect data and experience regardless of whether there are replays or not. go google "tarkov wiki" or "tarkov maps" and see for yourself. camping spots are well known there as well

nova python
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I think it is the ok solution for replay

nova python
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why would we hide the hiding spot that is known?

nova python
dull gale
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replays don't change that at all

nova python
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The problem is

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We shouldnt have the replay function like enlisted that can see every player

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only urself replay and only focus on u

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If the replay system is like enlisted that can see everyone perspective

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It is bad for this kind of survival game

frosty compass
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I don't think people are advocating for such a replay system at all

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I certainly am not

nova python
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I think we all agree this

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Third person view for limit range

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outside the range the enemy wont show in replay

frosty compass
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Sounds perfectly acceptable

nova python
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And also add death cam like warthunder

frosty compass
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Doesn't intrude too much in the ways you're afraid of

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While still adding a very usefull tool for improving our own positioning and for CCs

nova python
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see how bullet go through

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yes

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I think this is acceptable

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not just free cam to see whole map and all players

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The reason why I downvote the replay issue is

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I afraid there are fixed spawn player position

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And we can easily see it from replay if the replay is like enlisted

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"IF"

dull gale
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people will find everything out eventually, replay or no replay

nova python
dull gale
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there's no difference in the long run

nova python
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if you are refering datamine, developer need to prevent it as much as they can

nova python
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Like I can tell you some position might have player from my experince

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but replay does tell me there must player there

dull gale
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people can rewatch their own footage just the same and collectively make a map, it's all the same in the end

nova python
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I can use replay to compensate the thing I never thought amd make the learning progress faster and correct

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if replay like enlisted that have free cam

dull gale
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again, your issue isn't replays, it's "players will learn the game" which will happen whether you want it or not

nova python
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No, but I already said I can still live with replay.
But if replay is like enlisted, you can know every player's play style and know how much player in the map

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The only thing I want to say is replay can only see your self

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no other player

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so i dont care about what u learn map from raid or replay

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It's about player's gamestyle privacy

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especially in this survival game

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so i agree to that replay show whole maps but only show monster and enemy player around you with range

dull gale
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ah, there it is, you're afraid people will watch your replays personally and will find out all your hiding spots 😄
they can find that through gameplay meeting you all the same, and if they aren't meeting you in-game their replay knowledge will be useless anyway

nova python
dull gale
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you're playing a multiplayer game, privacy is out of the window by default

nova python
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So you suggest replay be like enlisted?

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Is that what you want to say?

dull gale
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I don't particularly care either way. my point is what you're afraid of will happen regardless

nova python
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What is your suggestion about replay

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So you are not in the discussion

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Thanks for your talk

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I appreciate that insult

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Sorry I am a coward

willow vault
# dull gale I don't particularly care either way. my point is what you're afraid of will hap...

i might jump in on that bringing up a new perspective, i personally do not see the need for an all knowing replay, 1. because that opens the door to creating content just making fun of other players (without them saying yes i want that my play is used for content.) 2. since the game has a voice chat i want to know if that would be recorded and access able in a replay (dont know the legal points there especially in germany with the personal rights) 3. its a first person shooter, it does not need third person perspectiv replay for its content, i understand it in war thunder, since its third person. 4. if i searched enlisted (so praised for the better content because of replay) i only got 2 videos using third replay from the first 10 videos. 5. i doubt the use if third person replay use at all, even war thunder videos i rarly see the use of it, and if its used its used to show a 10 seconds long overview in an 20 minutes long usual captured gameplay

dull gale
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1 - that can happen regardless, so long as you're able to meet other players in the game
2 - replays generally don't capture voice chat, I don't recall any games that do at least
3-5 - I think you're conflating third person camera with the ability to switch between different players in the match, these aren't quite the same things