bloodsmoke

[twilit harbor]

So basically #1134463910615973929 but an impostor, or evil grenadier?

[rancid cairn]

im not 100% on this tbh

[plush terrace]

i think the difference is clear

[rancid cairn]

why would you kill in frot of people
if you gotta kill to blind people, wouldnt they see

[twilit harbor]

My role works basically the same as urs, whenever u kill u hinder the vision of ppl

[rancid cairn]

since its people in a certain radius

[plush terrace]

urs work w duration mine w radius

[twilit harbor]

Ye but it both hinders vision and thats the important part

Also it activates with kill button

[plush terrace]

urs is basically the killer that call light when killing

[twilit harbor]

I guess

[ivory oak]

ima be real idk how this would be codable

[twilit harbor]

This is possible with grenadier code

[rancid cairn]

well itd probably be like

^ that but make it killing rather than venting

youd just use lights to blind people

[twilit harbor]

This is cool but like why would u need to guard a body? Also hindering vision at a radius of the body is basically asking the body to be found

[rancid cairn]

yeah

[ivory oak]

yep

It also sounds like a good way to get your teammates voted off

[plush terrace]

1st of all if they enter the area they are finding it anyway the smoke makes it harder to find

[twilit harbor]

But u can still see the report button

[ivory oak]

not really imo youd be surprised of how some bodies are hiden ex: mira hq storage room

[twilit harbor]

It doesn’t matter if they can see the body or not

[plush terrace]

sigh to simplify it you are basically turning off light but in a certain area of the map

[twilit harbor]

Yes but that certain part of the map is also where the body is, and u said it last 1 round basically they aren’t gonna get blind for long

[plush terrace]

so the benefit is that not everyone on the map will know that you killed

[ivory oak]

You also realize if you kill in a certain area, it will let people know that you're the killer

[plush terrace]

the bad effect is that people will start looking in the area

[rancid cairn]

❌

[twilit harbor]

How

[ivory oak]

and like why would you make it affect your teammates

[twilit harbor]

Ex: if u went to lab and u killed green and orange saw u going there, what would the smoke do?

By not having a smoke it takes a longer time for people to notice someone died there

[plush terrace]

if you killed like that you are stupid anyway
like any role would be caught if someone saw u enter w them and now they are dead

[rancid cairn]

it has no benefit though
you kill to blind a people in a close proximity
they gotta be close when you kill
why would i kill in front of someone?

[twilit harbor]

To simplify it, the smoke literally does nothing

[rancid cairn]

the blindness is activated via killing, its useless

[ivory oak]

now if he said blindness caused via cursing i wouldve agreed

[twilit harbor]

I would kinda agree too

But you would need a blind delay

[rancid cairn]

yeah

[ivory oak]

thts easy to do considering we have vampire kill delay

[plush terrace]

the blindness was supposed to effect a big area if you make it too small that's ur fault

if you kill while someone saw u enter it's your fault

if you kill while someone is near and know that u are the only one near it's your fault

[twilit harbor]

U literally said default was polus offixe

[ivory oak]

if its a big area, that makes maps like airship unplayable with about 3-5 kills

[twilit harbor]

That is kinda true, if the radius is like both office and storage it would be op

[ivory oak]

and thats not considering the last imposter causing your kcd to be lower

[twilit harbor]

Cuz after 2 kills that would cover basically the whole map

[plush terrace]

wow few seconds ago u guys were like you are asking the body to be found
how is it unplayable now?

[rancid cairn]

yeah this idea has an X from me rn

[ivory oak]

because you started adding more things to it

[plush terrace]

and yes covering up office is big idk what did i change

[rancid cairn]

when

[twilit harbor]

Because if the radius is big its unplayable if its small its also unplayable

Office small wdym

[ivory oak]

Like i see what you're trying to do but it just doesnt work

[plush terrace]

it's literally like the entire center of the map

[rancid cairn]

its a good idea in thought bad idea on paper

[twilit harbor]

U mean the bottom middle of the mao

[ivory oak]

take that and put it on airship. notice how small airship is

[rancid cairn]

(ps, not)

[plush terrace]

yea the idea is bad bc airship exists....

if you play on airshit make it bigger problem solved

[rancid cairn]

we only just said that though, the idea sucks

[ivory oak]

i mean in terms of taking polus' office as the default radius, it only takes 3-5 kills to cover the whole map

[twilit harbor]

I mean yeah but the body can get found easily

[ivory oak]

and the fact it AFFECTS YOUR TEAMMATES

[rancid cairn]

sorry its just impractical. Why would i kill to blind people so they dont see me kill?

[plush terrace]

anyway you don't have to give excuses why u gave it an X

i don't think u guys gave valid points u all just mentioned misplays that can happen on any role

[twilit harbor]

Blind people during light stack to blind them while they are already blind 💀

[rancid cairn]

that isnt even it, since im sure it wouldnt realistically do that

[ivory oak]

op said it would

[plush terrace]

fine ill remove that

[rancid cairn]

Heres my excuse, the idea sucks.

• theres no point to kill around people to blind them so they dont see me run away.
  now your turn for excuses on:
• why at all is the idea practical?
• why would i kill to blind people?

[plush terrace]

you weren't meant to kill around people thooooo

[rancid cairn]

soooo how dooo youuu blind themmm

[twilit harbor]

I wanna know why its practical when there is always an indicator if theres a body because of smoke, they will know when the kill happened if they were near that area and can find the body easily

[rancid cairn]

there is no point

[ivory oak]

ok let me do this

imagine you kill someone then walk out the radius, someone walks into the radius, passing you. You're a gonner because you just came out of there instead of looking for body. It's literally not pratical at all

[plush terrace]

okay so the point of the role is:

you kill and have an area of the map w permanent light sabotage

you can use that to your favor and make more kills in the same area when people approach

[rancid cairn]

its not practical

[twilit harbor]

also the smoke doesn’t last forever

[rancid cairn]

just call lights and kill normally, cheaper alternative

[plush terrace]

you are just stupid and would be caught anyway imagine this:
you are any freaking role that exist
you kill in elec and someone see u leave

[plush terrace]

it doesssss

[twilit harbor]

Then it would be op

Killing at every different part of the map basically making areas perma lights

[plush terrace]

actually until a meeting is called

[ivory oak]

dawg... you dont have to insult me because im calling out how this idea is bad...

[twilit harbor]

Then its useless

[plush terrace]

i am saying that play is stupid not u mb

[plush terrace]

okay yea i agree u know what i give up

[rancid cairn]

also, stalker does this but better and balanced

kill to call lights

[plush terrace]

stalker is a worse version of this imo

[ivory oak]

stalker is balanced doe

[plush terrace]

as soos as you kill every.single.person knows that you did

unless the imps are helping you

[rancid cairn]

this does the same thing but worse lol

[plush terrace]

it only lets people within your radius know if there is none

[ivory oak]

i feel like this makes it easier to know its you than stalker

[plush terrace]

well no one knows which is how u were supposed to play it

[rancid cairn]

it only calls lights for a set area of the map (im not sure, nor will care)
stalker calls lights for everywhere

[plush terrace]

you were supposed to kill where you are sure no one is near you

[rancid cairn]

Its not radius based

[rancid cairn]

then how do you blind players in a radius

[ivory oak]

and omg... i just realized he said 0.25x sight. imagine 3 kills on airship and trying to do your tasks

[plush terrace]

they enter the area and become blind

[rancid cairn]

hows this idea work

[plush terrace]

the body has a radius around it whenever someone is in the blindness occur

[rancid cairn]

i understood that, how would you implement blindness on a single spot of the map

[plush terrace]

okay so the only problem is the fact that people can tell where the body is from further away correct?

[plush terrace]

like grenadier?

i don't understand the problem

[rancid cairn]

that doesnt do that

[plush terrace]

sigh

[twilit harbor]

Its 1am for me im too tired im just gonna watch

[rancid cairn]

it blinds people in a radius near you, if someone enters that radius after you activate, they dont get blinded.

[rancid cairn]

you just dont understand the role properly idk what you want me to say

[plush terrace]

i do i said whenever someone enter the radius they get blind

[rancid cairn]

how do you do that though?
Grenadier doesnt do that