Hitman (Neutral Evil) ((reworked))

[gilded rain]

Base role would be Impostor
A neutral role that hunts a specific person with only one bullet. They hunt for a target and only know of their starting role, not their identity. If the target's role changes, they will turn into the role on target dead. If the Hitman tries to kill anyone but their target, they die. if the target is correctly shot by the Hitman, the Hitman wins on it's own (not including benigns)

Options:

• Can target Neutral Benign (Y/N)
• Can target Neutral Evil (Y/N)
• Can target Neutral Chaos (Y/N)
• Can target Neutral Killing (Y/N)
• Can target Impostors (Y/N)
• Can shoot whilst everyone is alive (Y/N)
• Kill cooldown (starts at 20s)
• Becomes on target dead (Maverick/Sheriff/Imitator/Refugee)

[blissful rose]

its ight

[hard sail]

hmmmmm

[gilded rain]

fair enough, thought of it's win condition at random then worked off it on like 2 minutes lmao

[hard sail]

it seems so luck dependent to me, but it's so interesting as well

like if you target superstar..... free win

[gilded rain]

probably ahould be a thing where it cant target obvious targets

[gilded rain]

isnt a good chunk of the game luck?

[hard sail]

but if you target like vector or a task dependent role there its a bit fair...

you can patrol tasks/vents do something

[hard sail]

a lot of roles are luck dependent yes but this one is a bit over them

tbh i want to play it

[gilded rain]

yeah.

[craggy pelican]

who reacted with tooth?

[hard sail]

tbh this is better than provocateur

[hard sail]

bruh man

[gilded rain]

i don’t remember that one, what does that do?

[blissful rose]

t o o t h

[hard sail]

u kill someone and sucide

if the person u killed lose u win

[gilded rain]

really? Wow

[hard sail]

if they win you lose

[gilded rain]

thats just gambling honestly

[hard sail]

yea i don't like it ngl

[gilded rain]

sounds like, Jester but not fun.

[hard sail]

anywaaay i am trying to think of a suitable reaction for this

[gilded rain]

fair, it is really random

[hard sail]

okay i can't even scroll reacts properly

[gilded rain]

not to toot my own horn or anything but i can see some strats with this role already, I think I made a decent one

[hard sail]

yea yea it is really interesting as i said

like sometimes you need to find mechanic so you need to see who fix sabo quickly and such

[wheat ridge]

This screams conditional role spawning.

which isnt possible rn

[hard sail]

?

[wheat ridge]

What if the role it targets doesnt spawn?

[gilded rain]

well balls

[hard sail]

wait you can't make it choose from roles in game?

[gilded rain]

It targets roles that spawned already

[wheat ridge]

tbh

[hard sail]

kinda like executioner and lawyer but instead of seeing a symbol u know their role

[wheat ridge]

I could make it so you gotta make sure specific roles arent alive then you win

[hard sail]

and without symbol ofc...

[gilded rain]

that could work and it'd wouldn't be too luck based

[hard sail]

soo how about like u target a player that you don't know, but you know their role

[wheat ridge]

mhm, I'd just have to define a bunch of roles in its settings

[hard sail]

loonie this isn't possible?

[wheat ridge]

technically, it is

An executioner that knows the target role but not their target is doable.

[hard sail]

yea better than getting a role that isn't in the game for 99% of the times

[hard sail]

yea that's what i was trying to say :)

[gilded rain]

that's how i shouldve worded it, I meant the role to be structured like that.

thank' knight

[wheat ridge]

Your target's role is [ Doctor ]

"Kill"

they're lying

[hard sail]

yeaaaa

[coral hornet]

If Guesser Mode were to be on, would they be able to guess their target for their win con?

[hard sail]

u shouldn't make it target easy roles tbh

[wheat ridge]

no

they'd lose

[hard sail]

no u gotta use ur bullet

[wheat ridge]

tbh Hitman could literally just be a neutral Bounty Hunter

[gilded rain]

otherwise it'd just be a neutral judge

[hard sail]

ehhhhh

yea but you know the role instead which is far more interesting imo

[gilded rain]

wouldn't be the same. plus at this rate if you were to do that, just make all imp roles have neutral variants

[hard sail]

instead of chasing arrows or wishing u come across ur target if arrows are off

u actually gotta investigate and work for it

lol thx ryuk

[coral hornet]

I would prefer the original version of Hitman as well; where their win con depends on killing their target, rather than just an NK BH

Speaking of, would Hitman snatch the victory or would they win alongside the winning team?

[gilded rain]

snatch

[wheat ridge]

Even then, two target roles is enough

[gilded rain]

makes it more of a threat

[zinc pewter]

Snatch, they did all the hardwork to find out who the role was

[hard sail]

lol

[coral hornet]

I would also say that their category should be Neutral Evil, not Neutral Killer

[gilded rain]

fair, fair

[gilded rain]

I was debating that when I typed that.

[hard sail]

right

[gilded rain]

Hitman (Neutral Evil)

[wheat ridge]

what if I made Hitman a neutral BH, but the target doesn't change unless the target dies?

so its a bit different

[hard sail]

......

can we make this role too?

[coral hornet]

I would still say the original version would be better

[wheat ridge]

idk what im doing.

[hard sail]

just make both lol

[gilded rain]

BH code but instead of arrows, its the targets role

[coral hornet]

BH plays very differently to the "Director's cut" of this

[wheat ridge]

ehh at this point I may as well just attempt ToUR Warlock

[hard sail]

copy pasting bh into neutrals is fine by me but this role is also cool

i think this is closer to exe's code than bh actually

[blissful rose]

bruh tf going on here

[gilded rain]

no yeah you're right since it's neutral

[wheat ridge]

I'd have to make sure they're killed by Hitman specifically AND what if someone else kills the target role?

[hard sail]

same as when exe target dies

[coral hornet]

Hitman becomes a different Role, as stated by OP

[blissful rose]

they change roles when they die

[gilded rain]

they turn into the role set by the host exactly like how exe and lawyer are assigned after target death

[coral hornet]

Maverick would make sense to be one of the possible Roles due to Opp, and NSK

[wheat ridge]

Maverick / Witch / Serial Killer

[hard sail]

so the difference between this role and exe is:
1-you have to kill them yourself rather than vote them
2-you don't get a symbol you just know their role
3-you die if you kill wrong
4- you can't become non killer role after your target dies...
that's all?

[coral hornet]

That would work, yes

[wheat ridge]

wait maybe not SK

[coral hornet]

From what I understand, yes

[wheat ridge]

cuz its an NK

[coral hornet]

Wouldn't that work as the substitue for Jester?
Since Jester has its own win con as well

[gilded rain]

i'd personally say Jester/opportunist

[hard sail]

added 3

[coral hornet]

Can't, diffent buttons

[wheat ridge]

It'd have to be an Impostor basis, so maybe Vigilante?

[gilded rain]

oh yeah.

[blissful rose]

they're a killer, you cant make a killer not a killer

[hard sail]

oh wait we can't just remove the kill button huh

[blissful rose]

nah

[gilded rain]

yeah..

[gilded rain]

Pursuer?

[blissful rose]

you can make it not work, but ya cant remove it entirely

[coral hornet]

Vigilante could work, but would it be smart to suddenly make it Crew?

[hard sail]

okay now this is very different from exe

[wheat ridge]

Vigilante would fit as they also have one bullet.

[gilded rain]

true, N varient I'd say pursuer but that's just me.

[coral hornet]

I'm primarily concerned with suddenly making it Crew

[hard sail]

true

[coral hornet]

I would say SK would work better here, as one of the Exe Roles was Jester, a seperate wins-alone Role, and thus SK would work as the substitute for that

[hard sail]

i mean ... lawyer and exe have the option of becoming crew

[wheat ridge]

imma just go work on the FT rework

[coral hornet]

They do?

[blissful rose]

either way, we aint gonna have much say in this

so whatev i guess

[wheat ridge]

lets just say I attempted this 5 times so ryuk does it /j

[hard sail]

the thing that concerns me is that how are you conna transform it to vigilante of it has sucide part

[coral hornet]

Assuming that DA Law and Exe can become Crew, Vig being an option works; I would say replace Witch with SK, though

[coral hornet]

Vig doesn't suicide, Sheriff does

[blissful rose]

think you forgor ryuk in this thread as well

[wheat ridge]

im aware

[hard sail]

yea ... that's what i am saying vigi doesn't sucide hitman does

[blissful rose]

ight just a reminder

[coral hornet]

Ah

[gilded rain]

it'd be similar to a converted sheriff no? Just be able to kill anything?

[hard sail]

added 4....

[hard sail]

hmmmmmmm

true actually

waaait what if your target is able to change role

u just lose?

[coral hornet]

I presume your target matches that Role change

That or you become a different Role, as if they died

[hard sail]

well you technically target the person not the role

[gilded rain]

you turn into the role of whatever you set it to when it dies

[hard sail]

u get the role as a hint to your target

[gilded rain]

I'd say for role reassignment on target death (Maverick/Witch/Vigilante)

[coral hornet]

I would say Mav/SK/Vig

[hard sail]

okay i don't blame loonie at this point i didn't even try coding roles but this already seems confusing

witch??

[gilded rain]

I'm trying closer to Loonie's suggestion of witch being in there

or we meet in the middle and say only Maverick/vigi

[coral hornet]

NW

[hard sail]

maverick i understand its opportunist w kill button

vigi is crew w kill button

[gilded rain]

yeah

[hard sail]

but witch doesn't make sense to me-

[gilded rain]

thats why i removed it.

no SK or witch

I'll post an edited version prob

to condense this into smth that makes more sense

[hard sail]

so the difference between this role and exe is:
1-you have to kill them yourself rather than vote them
2-you don't get a symbol you just know their role
3-you die if you kill wrong
4- you can't become non killer role after your target dies so you will become vigilante or maverick
that's all?

seems like that's all

[hard sail]

no you can edit it

[hard sail]

u can add this to it too

[gilded rain]

edited

Hitman (Neutral Evil) ((reworked))

better and clears things up a little?

[hard sail]

okay how about...

a neutral killer that targets a specific player, but he don't know who and he only has one bullet. your only hint is their starting role.

targets a role as loonie said isn't possible

[gilded rain]

okay I'll word it to where you're targeting the person, not the role itself

[hard sail]

u can word this better English isn't my 1st...

[gilded rain]

more clear now

i hope my role gets added tbh, Probably not since it might be hard to code.

[blissful rose]

tbh very few ideas get coded in

[gilded rain]

yeah

i think this one at least warrants consideration. I mean look at the message count for this suggestion!

[hard sail]

i mean it's cool that devs checked it out

mine was just tagged unplanned-

[gilded rain]

true.

[hard sail]

tbh my post is kinda too much
the role is 3 steps each step is like a role on itself

[gilded rain]

my role or yours?

[hard sail]

mine

[gilded rain]

oh, why couldn't you have done all 3 as separate roles?

[hard sail]

uhm let me tag u there to let u see what i mean

[gilded rain]

yeah.. too complicated

i mean mine's decently complicated

[hard sail]

yeaa i tried to simplify mine i couldn't

[gilded rain]

sad

[hard sail]

eh it's just the fact that i like it as it is

[gilded rain]

Hitman (Neutral Evil) ((reworked)))

can i bump it?

[zinc pewter]

What if the target is doctor and there are 2 doctors in the game?

[gilded rain]

then they shoot the correct doctor. confusing sure, but its based off targets but only know their starting role

[zinc pewter]

So it doesn't target a role, but the player itself. And hitman will be notified about the role of the player.

Is that correct?

[gilded rain]

yes

[zinc pewter]

Okay

[gilded rain]

yea

sounds weird right?

[zinc pewter]

I like the idea, i might work on it after i am done with amnesiac and shiftman

[gilded rain]

aight

sick

[zinc pewter]

Imo this role is better provocateur

[gilded rain]

someone said that eariler too

and i agree, only tbf ive never played it, only seen what it does

[hard sail]

lmao i said the exact same thing...

[hard sail]

@zinc pewter this might be helpful to you idk

[hard sail]

progress?

[zinc pewter]

I haven't started it yet, i will in a couple of days. I took a break from making roles after copycat

[hard sail]

ah

[coral hornet]

Make a "Can target Crewmates" option as well

[gilded rain]

its more or less built off of exe so, i dont think it needs that option personally

[gilded rain]

well

[hard sail]

hopefully in 2.5.2 .....

[gilded rain]

hopefully

[gilded rain]

refrshing

[soft lagoon]

Imagine if the hitman had a lover and their target is their lover. It's gonna be interesting.

Maybe it's also good to add an option that they cannot kill at the first round just to avoid random shooting and probably ending the game early just because of that.

[gilded rain]

good idea

added

[gilded rain]

well...

[hard sail]

hmmm...

[zinc pewter]

Sorry, forgot to give update before, I have already coded the role. But it causes the host to black screen for some reason... I am not really good with fixing bugs coz i am new to C#. It might take sometime to fix it. When I fix the issue I will PR it in the main branch.

[valid rain]

Why is this post still going lol

[hard sail]

lets gooooo ||i realize it's bugged but still||

[eternal shadow]

another mid role

[gilded rain]

wth

[gilded rain]

i refuse to let this role die

Hitman (Neutral Evil) ((reworked))

[blissful rose]

banana

[gilded rain]

but still, les goo

we won bois!

[zinc pewter]

It will only be added if i am able to fix the bug..

[gilded rain]

true, but thats progress

[forest pewter]

god and im still stuck down here

#1129221017768828998 message

[gilded rain]

hm

[coral hornet]

Reviving

[lean pebble]

e

[gilded rain]

reviving

[forest pewter]

i think it's already lived enough + ryuk said they already coded it, (doesnt mean its in game) but it's just bugged

[valid rain]

okay someone needs to lock this post

dont close it just lock it

[valid rain]

@gilded rain can you lock this? It’s gone on for long enough

[valid rain]

christ almighty just add this already

this is the longest thread in the who;le forum

[gilded rain]

i thought i closed this lmao

[valid rain]

Uhh well you didn’t

But since Loonie was too fucking lazy to add this
(Ping fail)
This is the longest thread in the server period. It’s about time this role got justice.
It’s a very good role

@gloomy solstice

[gilded rain]

im not going to remove it either

[coral hornet]

[coral hornet]

• Change Amnesiac to Imitator, 'cause Amnesiac works by reporting bodies now.

[dim thistle]

Isn't that like similar to bounty hunter if I am not mistaken

[forest pewter]

.

so you know your targets starting role, not who your target is though like BH/HH, and you have to figure out who your target is.
If you kill your target, you win the game
if you dont kill your target, you lose
if you kill someone other than your target, you misfire and still lose

If your target dies before you kill them/game ends, you will become any of the listed roles, meaning you can win with the winning team

which typing that out, yeah its pretty close to bh but its moreso like a distant relative that you only see on Christmas

[zinc pewter]

We also have huntsman

[forest pewter]

thats what HH is

please for the love of god rename it to head hunter its from tohe+ but shitters a shitter

[gilded rain]

Huh

[gilded rain]

I’ll update this

[cyan shadow]

This is actually a pretty good idea

[gilded rain]

Thank you

[plucky gazelle]

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