the Scammer (neutral)

[loud mantle]

so scammer is a free win basically?

[mortal bobcat]

No

[pine jetty]

no because its an unusual kill

[mortal bobcat]

Trust me you don’t know among us players

[pine jetty]

all they have to do is press button

and scammer loses

[mortal bobcat]

Then scammer would be a role that loses every time

Still

[pine jetty]

realistically you would still have people that report

plus the body can remain there and people might forget

[mortal bobcat]

Look If ppl spawn and there is a body they will instantly report it nobody is gonna wait for the button cooldown

[mortal bobcat]

How

[gray tiger]

i have mixed feelings for this

play with a random that doesnt know what they're doing, free win

[mortal bobcat]

I think what would be better is he dies a normal way and if he gets reported he wins

[gray tiger]

play with everyone that knows what they're doing, free loss

[pine jetty]

if people ignore the body (what they should do) they need to remember that specific body never to report it until a meeting is called or another body cause by another death is reported. in addition, a meeting can be called which takes a while so

[mortal bobcat]

Ppl will not do that

[pine jetty]

people want to see bloodshed

[mortal bobcat]

Wtf is bloodshed

[pine jetty]

you just said scammer would be a role that loses every time

[gray tiger]

bruh what if the scammer has the same color with someone else in the lobby via color command

ppl will get confused over that and might report scammer

[pine jetty]

isnt booby trap a thing?

it has similar mechanics

[mortal bobcat]

I forgot what booby trap does

[gray tiger]

booby trap i think kills both the victim and themselves then they put a booby trap on the killed player and so on

[pine jetty]

scammer plays on people's impulses to report a body, that's all

[mortal bobcat]

I still think this is better

[gray tiger]

the thing is, they dont know if the booby trap even exists in the game whereas ppl will know who the scammer is when a body is lying on the floor when the game starts

[mortal bobcat]

I meant the opposite

Like public players see a dead body when they spawn they will 95% report it

[gray tiger]

a booby trap kill can be mistaken as a provo kill, a sheriff misfire (if misfire kills target), lovers sui, and other possible things

[pine jetty]

how about a limited number of kills

[mortal bobcat]

Also don’t like your own post it’s weird

[gray tiger]

but the scammer would still win even if it can only scam a limited number of ppl

[pine jetty]

how

bomber can bomb an entire room just by shapeshifting

[gray tiger]

i dont rlly get how they win

[gray tiger]

that depends on bomb radius

[mortal bobcat]

He wins with the winning team when he gets reported

And that BROKEN

[gray tiger]

well yeah like i said, limited number of kills doesnt really change the win condition

[mortal bobcat]

I think would be better that he dies the normal way

[gray tiger]

bomber can bomb an entire room, yes, but it can still kill their own teammate and they would have to kill themselves which would always mean there would always be at least 1 impostor dead

[pine jetty]

i think making it limited makes it just as fair as the other roles, in addition to having only one chance bofre a meeting is called

[gray tiger]

tbh i think this is better

[mortal bobcat]

Yeah if it was this I would give it a like

[gray tiger]

non randoms would see "oh, a body when game started, I'm not reporting because it's the scammer"

randoms would see "oh, a body when game started, I'm reporting it just to be sure"

[mortal bobcat]

@pine jetty I think this would be better if you change the role a little

[gray tiger]

the scammer is def gonna be revealed when the game starts bc of the dead body so i'd change the settings to make the scammer more unpredictable

[pine jetty]

i agree

[gray tiger]

like how they should just die normally like malook said

and yes, I do agree with the limited number of scams but I wouldn't agree on it if they die when round starts

[pine jetty]

i just didnt want it to be too similar to booby trap

but more of a mind game

[gray tiger]

they have some differences like:
Scammer can't kill and trap someone
The trap (scam) is placed on the Scammer itself

[mortal bobcat]

Even if he was you have that one random guy

[gray tiger]

roles like the Wraith and Swooper are already very similar so the similarities between the Booby Trap and Scammer would be a bit less

[pine jetty]

but thats the whole point tho - to get people to report

but also not report

if you know what i mean

[narrow atlas]

So it is bobby trap 2.0

[gray tiger]

almost since there are like 2 differences

[narrow atlas]

Only 1 now

[pine jetty]

what if the scammer can choose to self-destruct at any point but only in a certain area

[gray tiger]

Swooper and Wraith both exist and they're literally the same thing

[narrow atlas]

Booby trap will be updated in next ver

[gray tiger]

how would they self destruct tho

[pine jetty]

SS

[narrow atlas]

That is basically booby trap

Kill someone bobby trap their body

[gray tiger]

ok so make the kill button not work but the SS button will self destruct?

[narrow atlas]

And the trap goes on and on in who ever reports

[pine jetty]

yes

[narrow atlas]

Again that is basically booby trap

Also what is the point of the role? How will they woin?

[pine jetty]

booby trap kills a player and scammer doesnt

[narrow atlas]

WHAT A BIG CHANGE

[pine jetty]

scammer is aslo a neutral role

[gray tiger]

Scammer (Neutral):
When the Scammer dies normally, and when someone reports the body, the person that attempted to report the Scammer's body will be scammed and die. This process can be repeated but the scams will be transferred from one body into another instead of all of the involved bodies have the scam effect. They can choose to self destruct by shapeshifting, while their kill button will not work.

Amount of people that can be scammed: - 2 +
Scammer can self destruct: - YES +

[gray tiger]

swooper and wraith boutta leave lol

[narrow atlas]

So basically scamner will win every round?

[pine jetty]

ok yes i think this is ok

[narrow atlas]

They just suicide to win?

[pine jetty]

realistically no, just think about it in detail

[narrow atlas]

What is the win condition???

[gray tiger]

when at least 1 person reports the body

[narrow atlas]

NEUTRALS CANT HAVE SS BASIS

[narrow atlas]

This won't work

[gray tiger]

well then they shouldnt have the self destruct option then

[pine jetty]

wym yes they can

[narrow atlas]

They cant

[gray tiger]

Scammer (Neutral):
When the Scammer dies normally, and when someone reports the body, the person that attempted to report the Scammer's body will be scammed and die. This process can be repeated but the scams will be transferred from one body into another instead of all of the involved bodies have the scam effect.

Amount of people that can be scammed: - 2 +

[narrow atlas]

Which neutral did you see have SS?

[gray tiger]

#❌┃restricted-features message

look at the Glitch's part

[pine jetty]

oh its a glitch

[gray tiger]

The Glitch from Town of Us Reactivated

Why? Shapeshifters can't be neutral.

[narrow atlas]

Its not a glitch, the role name is glitch

[pine jetty]

i guess they will have to die normally (normal kill) then

so they would win by scamming a certain number of players

[gray tiger]

also make it so that roles like (shapeshifted) hangman or any other role that cancels the victim's addon/role's ability will not have the Scammer activate its scam effect

[pine jetty]

right

i updated the role description. Is it better?

[visual panther]

the scammer just sounds like worse booby trap

[pine jetty]

How is it ‘worse’?

[visual panther]

by law I don't gotta tell yu

[pine jetty]

And by logic your argument is invalid

Plus there is no doubt people will have fun with it

[visual panther]

this should be added but called booby trap and perform like a booby trap would

[pine jetty]

But booby trap is impostor

[visual panther]

it's just changing the tag and win condition of booby trap

and calling it a diff OP role

[pine jetty]

And what’s the issue? There are other roles with much more similar counterparts.