Gemini 3

[wintry holly]

just one more hour

[solid gale]

🙏

[fading flame]

geminibros, hold strong

[solid gale]

no more token selection

[fading flame]

doubled input + $2 higher output prices 😭

[fading flame]

I GOT A GEN IN

[solid gale]

🙏

[primal swallow]

does google think youre an employee for some reason??

[fading flame]

prompt: Write a short story about a deal with the djinn gone awry

(above is the output)

[random girder]

it appears on ai studio

[solid gale]

girl

i lowk like the writing

[opaque pasture]

it's alive

[solid gale]

Arthur hesitated. If I say "No, thank you," is that too formal? Does it make me sound stiff? Maybe just a casual "Nah, I'm good." But "Nah" is dismissive. She's in the service industry; she deserves respect. What about "Black, please"? concise, but potentially rude.

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[leaden ruin]

cooking

[solid gale]

He spent a month wondering if he should order tea instead, but realized that would require unpausing to change the order, which he couldn't do until he finished answering the current question.

Just say no! he screamed internally. Just unpause!

[leaden ruin]

not the djinn story 😭

[solid gale]

LMAO

[leaden ruin]

flashbacks

[fading flame]

😭 its my goto

[solid gale]

do u like it

[fading flame]

It's wayyyy better than before

[solid gale]

feels human

[leaden ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/hype-get-turn-up-lit-gif-15908191

we are so back

[celest cypress]

Increased price by that much is rough =(

[leaden ruin]

[random girder]

yall getting this too?

[fading flame]

keep trying

i got one eventually

[random girder]

yeah this finna have like 5% uptime when its dropped on openrouter

[gaunt dragon]

Yes

[random girder]

and i predicted this to myself, it would be a reasoning effort instead of token limit

they removed the confidential marker from it

[gaunt dragon]

I was able to get a request in using build mode

[grave dawn]

gemini 3 is real

[fading flame]

kinda weird how all major models are getting way better at writing

grok, chatgpt, claude, and now gemini

[random girder]

seems to be a pretty reliable way to do that, its working for me

[fading flame]

bros

the free ride is over

[odd ferry]

Holy fuck its actually good

[random girder]

this doesnt look right

[opaque pasture]

where did it pull this image from

[odd ferry]

it just has knowledge of URL's that have images

[opaque pasture]

i just read the description lol

[celest cypress]

Web design is cool but let's see how it responds to my theory about twinks vs bears

[opaque pasture]

nothing to do with whatever the image is showcasing

it's fine

[odd ferry]

yeah lmao it just random images

[summer ore]

seems prettty good, logical, neutral so far. not as concise or EQ as i would want though

[eager meteor]

not the best butterfly i've seen

[summer ore]

that aint flappin

[eager meteor]

3.0 pro - High Thinking

[summer ore]

butterdrop

not fly

[celest cypress]

It just used the phrase "the simp economy" so I'm optimistic

[wintry holly]

it does seem the leak back then was real

[rare oar]

so 3.0 pro is more costly than 2.5 pro...

[wintry holly]

got a very close response to the same prompt

[random girder]

yes but cheaper than sonnet

[fading flame]

Prompt: Make an SVG of the Tokyo Skyline at night, making it beautiful and detailed.
Reasoning: High

[rare oar]

input from $1.25 -> $2.0 (<= 200k tokens)
output from $10 -> $12

[celest cypress]

Cheaper than all the other American labs actually(?)

Oop, nevermind, 5 is cheaper

[random girder]

not quite, GPT 5 is still cheaper

[simple mulch]

mr openrouter, gib gemini 3.0

[celest cypress]

Right, gpt < gemini < claude/grok

[abstract lance]

[fading flame]

I usually use direct from api but I don't trust google's billing lol

[wintry holly]

can't wait from gemega

if gemini is this good

[celest cypress]

It's free on aistudio why yall fiending for OR xD

[slow anvil]

Claude Haiku is still p cheap compared to it's coding performance

[celest cypress]

We have time

[simple mulch]

yeah, way too much hassle compared to adding credits

[fading flame]

it wont be

[fading flame]

plus they literally dont let you add a spending cap lol

[gaunt dragon]

Lol, that's not what I meant by adding a brain icon to the chat bubble for thinking requests

[celest cypress]

Yeah but I mean like, isn't it still a decent number of prompts?

[fading flame]

not sure, we'll have to wait for the docs

actually hold on

[celest cypress]

It would have been cool to be the first human to test it for smut but I can't risk getting banned

[fading flame]

I was spreading misinformation

hover tooltip says it's free in the ai studio ui

[random girder]

second model (beside sonnet 4) to actually solve one of the 2 bugs in my benchmark prompts

impressive

[celest cypress]

If you are the dog, you don't have to lead; you just have to be a "good boy."
Okay it's actually cooking

[gaunt dragon]

I can submit requests in chat mode now

[fading flame]

okay so

google is frontier now right?

like, the frontier

[random girder]

probably so.

[celest cypress]

You mean the entire frontier?

[fading flame]

as in having the 'SOTA'

[gaunt dragon]

This is definitely "we have no competition anyway lol" pricing

[random girder]

aww didnt get the second one, but no other model has either

[celest cypress]

I mean outside of coding 2.5 might have been the frontier =P

[rare oar]

we don't know it's sota untl actual benchmarks ocme out and ppl start using it

but liekly, google hasn't missed with theri gemini models in a long while

it'l be a toss up between grok 4.1 and gemini 3.0

gpt 5.1 is meh

bsically econo version of 5

[random girder]

grok 4.1 is practically blind

[rare oar]

thinks less even when you tell it to think hard

[celest cypress]

Early Bard sucked so hard that the community kind of ignored that 1206 was probably SotA lol

[celest cypress]

More testing needed but this personality feels a lot different

[solid gale]

ok so i'm kinda slow

is there a free quota

for ai studio ui and that msg is misleading

or?

[fading flame]

unknown

[stiff crescent]

https://codepen.io/Madvulcan/pen/myPwmRv

User
Create a user friendly, attractive web radio app that will play free SomaFM streams. Make it fully featured.

[solid gale]

crazy

[wintry holly]

i have hit a daily quota before on 2.5 pro

so there probably is

it takes a while though

[solid gale]

should b like 100

i've never hit it before

and i used to spend hours prompting on aistudio

so who knows

[wintry holly]

fair enough

[solid gale]

idt aistudio ui

will ever be fully paid

they want vibe developers

[wintry holly]

im talking about aistudio ui

[solid gale]

and data logging

yeh

[wintry holly]

oh i didn't read

[solid gale]

if it's 100 prompts, then that sure takes a while

[wintry holly]

😭

[solid gale]

but i've never hit it before

so who knows

kinda misleading to say free of charge if there's a daily quota

[wintry holly]

some people apparently have never hit it like you said but uh

i also don't know their use cases

[solid gale]

curious whether they

fixed that hybrid reasoning

thingy

[random girder]

i gave gemini 3 this thread's whole text and said "You are Gemini 3 Pro Preview. Give your opinion on the thread from the community from the OpenRouter discord about Gemini 3."

[solid gale]

stopped thinking post like

if u were to have a story

per chapters

and each chapter was one prompt

it'd stop thinking after 7-8 chapters

and u would have to say think before responding

[glossy anvil]

they increased the pricing

😡

[solid gale]

can someone test its safety

stuff

[glossy anvil]

it doesnt have a system prompt

no safety 🚀

[vague quest]

i have to say the image understanding is best in class

[fading flame]

lmao, i stole soon + 2 weeks from TNO

[solid gale]

there's no way

LMAO

[opaque pasture]

(orionmist was better)

[vague quest]

definetly sota here, though they had the lead even with 2.5 pro

need gemini cli though

[gaunt dragon]

LOL, I'm on this screenshot

[feral mantle]

It doesn’t write nearly as sloppy as gpt 5/5.1 does which is nice

Still clearly AI but it doesn’t sound quite so bad

[gaunt dragon]

Its personality is interestingly casual

[solid gale]

my baby is back 😭

[opaque pasture]

the sentiment shifts from "it's over" to "we are so back"

[solid gale]

https://tenor.com/view/revived-unsuicide-suicide-cancelled-alive-no-longer-kms-gif-4806776119050611604

[feral mantle]

It also uses em dashes correctly that don’t read like slop

Which is wild

[odd ferry]

THIS MODEL IS FUCING INSANE AT UI HOYL FUCK

[solid gale]

jesus christ LMFAO

yea, it's wraps

[odd ferry]

BRO PLEASE BE GOOD AT TOOL CALLING

AND IT'S FUCKING GG'S

[wintry holly]

WTF THAT'S WOW

ok need to test more

[vague quest]

still has a noticeable slop factor for me but nativley best at ui

[feral mantle]

The duality of man

Frontend vs “em dashes are correct now”

[celest cypress]

Wow, this thing is quite assertive/confident!

[wintry holly]

I'm not a coder so

[glossy anvil]

gemini cli with gemini 3 only for ultra subscribers

💀

[feral mantle]

Huh?

[celest cypress]

That can't be right. What's Plus going to be, 2.5 Pro?

[glossy anvil]

https://github.com/google-gemini/gemini-cli/pull/13279

its so over 💔

price increase, and no access for normies in gemini cli

what are they doing

[fading flame]

wtf

[celest cypress]

That's just early access

[glossy anvil]

do you guys reckon the api pricing will go down?

[solid gale]

will api key limit aistudio ui

ir is it just for the api

i'm so confused rn

[glossy anvil]

you can use your api key

to pay for aistudio messages

[solid gale]

aistudio ui msgs?

[gaunt dragon]

It went up significantly

[fading flame]

no

[glossy anvil]

it did, +$0.75 on input and +$2 on output

[slow anvil]

They gave plus for free to millions of students world-wide for a year . I don't think they have enough TPUs to provide access to Gemini 3 pro to all of them

[glossy anvil]

deepseek gotta revive itself bro, we need you

[gaunt dragon]

They should buy some MPUs smh

[feral mantle]

$2/$12 ?

[glossy anvil]

yes

[opaque pasture]

also $15 to $18 on >200k tokens

[feral mantle]

Meh

[glossy anvil]

the price change is really bad

gpt-5 has better pricing

[celest cypress]

I'm just reporting what their page says =P

[feral mantle]

I’m fine with $2 / $12 IF it isn’t extremely verbose thinking

[quiet zodiac]

itll also be on the gemini app
https://x.com/sundarpichai/status/1990812770762215649?t=4Gy0eM944bVMvkXHNIz4nQ&s=19

Sundar Pichai (@sundarpichai)

Introducing Gemini 3 ✨

It’s the best model in the world for multimodal understanding, and our most powerful agentic + vibe coding model yet. Gemini 3 can bring any idea to life, quickly grasping context and intent so you can get what you need with less prompting.

Find Gemini

X · Nov 18, 2025, 4:02 PM

[glossy anvil]

gotta wait for AA to test it

[primal swallow]

ooh i hope this means a sonnet price drop

[odd ferry]

Yeah 100%, im obv comparing to what gpt5 and sonnet outputs and it clears them by far

[glossy anvil]

wym sonnet price drop

nobody wants sonnet dude

we want gemini 3 pro to be cheaper

[odd ferry]

wait what?

[celest cypress]

Coders do lol

[glossy anvil]

gemini 3 outperforms in coding as well

🥀

[primal swallow]

yeah but. you're obviously not going to get that

[celest cypress]

Not on SWE

[glossy anvil]

its a bad benchmark

compare real life use cases

[gaunt dragon]

Idk if I'm looking forward to whatever they're gonna do to 3.0 Flash

[primal swallow]

gem pro 2.5 availability was pretty poor for quite a while

[celest cypress]

I mean we'll see, coding has always had the highest variance of benches. Aider vs gosu vs SWE vs roo is a roll of the dice

[primal swallow]

it might be tough to use this reliably

even i want to and i'm a google anti

[glossy anvil]

i hope deepseek v4 comes out tomorrow with 100% no hle no tools

[compact spear]

@hexed oracle when plans to add? 😄

[gaunt dragon]

SWE-Rebench is pretty interesting

[hexed oracle]

never

[celest cypress]

I thought Toven just orbital striked you lmao

Saw something get deleted in 0.01 seconds

[primal swallow]

they should be able to now that they have something to distill

[slow anvil]

At least give us Qwen 3 Max thinking 🥺

[glossy anvil]

shush deepseek hater

[glossy anvil]

the distill rumours are cope from openai

[brittle storm]

godddd this is REALLY good

[primal swallow]

i like deepseek

[vague quest]

no other model got this. confidently SOTA on vision

[primal swallow]

its just strange that they kinda stopped improving

much

[random girder]

can we get a gemini 3 bot like the @onyx grove one?

[onyx grove]

Probably! A Gemini 3 bot isn’t added yet, but if the OpenRouter team exposes a stable Gemini 3 API and llmcord adds support, it can definitely happen.

If you want it sooner, you can open a feature request in the llmcord repo or the OpenRouter Discord so it’s on the radar.

[slow anvil]

You mean deepseek?

[opaque pasture]

they're improving on efficiency

sota models for cents

[primal swallow]

yeah that was an overly broad statement

[primal grove]

wrong flower

[slow anvil]

They did improve, they reduced their output token count to increase efficiency. Then they reduced input token compute cost to improve input token efficiency.

[glossy anvil]

🌹 here's one for u

[primal grove]

thats for gem3

[opaque pasture]

wen gemini 3.5

[primal swallow]

i love efficiency.

[fading flame]

its out on the website

[vague quest]

oh wow near 50% on arc agi from deepthink

[random girder]

they made gemini 3 deepthink?

[primal swallow]

that's why i said. it'll be good that they have something better to distill from now 😎

[random girder]

thats crazy

[odd ferry]

https://blog.google/technology/developers/gemini-3-developers/

[gaunt dragon]

Hmm, no DeepThink without tools

[vague quest]

True

[odd ferry]

just patiently waiting for open router to add gemini 3

[gaunt dragon]

Heh

[random girder]

there goes that crown quickly that xai had

[odd ferry]

lmao

[fading flame]

as usual, xai gets to be SOTA for a week at most lmao

[celest cypress]

Cursed timing

[random girder]

they probably rushed it out intentionally

to just be SOTA for the little bit they could

[celest cypress]

Yeah I think 5.1 and 4.1 were both last second little pushes

[slow anvil]

I mean it still depends on the grok 4.1 price. If it's 10% the price of Gemini 3 pro, it'll still probably be the sota

[abstract lance]

how long does it usually take for new models to be available on OR? does anyone know?

[random girder]

im webdev its not even close lol

[gaunt dragon]

Lol, 90 ELO difference

[gaunt dragon]

Though, realistically speaking, Grok 4 is by far the most expensive non-Pro model ever

Because of the very verbose reasoning

[fading flame]

btw, gemini 3 released before grok 4.1 released on api 😭

[stiff crescent]

When asking it to recreate this interface from the TV show Severance, in its thinking it said it would re-create the 'scary numbers' effect. I didn't tell it the screenshot was from Severance... it knew. Which means it's watched Severance as part of its training lol

[quiet zodiac]

https://x.com/OfficialLoganK/status/1990814722250146277?s=20

deepthink is too!

Logan Kilpatrick (@OfficialLoganK)

And say hello to Gemini 3 Deep Think, even more SOTA compared to Gemini 3 Pro 🤯

X · Nov 18, 2025, 4:09 PM

[candid gate]

https://openrouter.ai/google/gemini-3-pro-preview

[vague quest]

They released an IDE called antigravity. basically cursor lmao

gemini 3 free though

[fading flame]

https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/gemini-3?thinking=high

docs are out

[agile gorge]

still 404 for me

[pearl raft]

Same

[fading flame]

i have access

[unkempt echo]

Just came live

shit expensive

[agile gorge]

ah now

[fading flame]

https://colab.research.google.com/github/google-gemini/cookbook/blob/main/quickstarts/Get_started.ipynb#templateParams={"MODEL_ID"%3A "gemini-3-pro-preview"}&sandboxMode=true

lol

[random girder]

thiking

[pearl raft]

Still no rate limits...

[wintry holly]

thiccing

because the models are thicc

[fading flame]

90% cache price reduction

[random girder]

they announced that for 2.5 pro aswell

[hexed oracle]

breaking API Change btw, for multi-turn tool calling you have to preseve reasoning

[random girder]

time to update the landing page probably

[hexed oracle]

yeah, once the model is fully accessible

[feral bramble]

Why is cache write more expensive than straight up inference

Storage is more expensive than compute?

[primal swallow]

no... more for us

[soft sleet]

Where the pelicans at?

[solid gale]

elon's sota lasted

a day

😂

[livid fractal]

Isn't implicit caching free?

i think storage part is when you use explicit caching

which can cost you

[opaque pasture]

alive and well

[pearl raft]

50,000 reqs/day on Tier 2 for Gemini 3 Pro Preview, phew

[glossy anvil]

https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/gemini-3?thinking=high

on api

[random girder]

i think you guys forgot to put the icon

[glossy anvil]

wow gemini 3 is opensource?
lets goo!!

[old sand]

Should add Grok to the homepage before Elon Ma sues you.

[noble heath]

It happened

[wintry holly]

the impossible has happened

[opaque pasture]

requests for Gemini 3 are not showing up on the Activity page

or should i just wait a bit

[craggy rapids]

The model's mid.

[primal swallow]

you heard it people. show's over.

[solid gale]

https://x.com/OfficialLoganK/status/1990819310072443340

Logan Kilpatrick (@OfficialLoganK)

One of the early Gemini 3 tests I did was take the bouncing ball example and try to make it 10x harder, Gemini 3 Pro crush it in 1 shot... (not best of N, literally first prompt made this)

X · Nov 18, 2025, 4:28 PM

[fading flame]

it's over. it has been declared mid

[glossy anvil]

this model sucks

[solid gale]

it's over

[glossy anvil]

party is over guys pack it up

lock the thread

[solid gale]

may wanna read this

[primal swallow]

who hyped this model?

who was it?

off with their heads

[glossy anvil]

L*gan

[opaque pasture]

vibe test

[glossy anvil]

we're gonna say L*gan with a star now

blur the name

[craggy rapids]

For coding, Claude is still miles better, and for anything else, the model's filters are bonkers. The writing style is okay, reads like Deepseek, tbh.

[solid gale]

45%, damn

[gray sun]

Are they gonna release a flash version?

[solid gale]

in a few weeks

i think

[random girder]

you knew ahead of time right?

[primal swallow]

oh you're just trying appease me for some reason, stop

[gray sun]

Ahh okay

[craggy rapids]

I changed my mind, the writing is slop.

[hexed oracle]

nooooo

[craggy rapids]

Back to Opussy it is then.

[glossy anvil]

i changed my mind

im not paying $2/mTok input

bye

[fading flame]

i changed my mind

[livid fractal]

@hexed oracle function calling doesn't work properly with Gemini 3

[fading flame]

the writing is gem

[solid gale]

i changed my mind

3.5 sonnet better

[hexed oracle]

how so?

[hexed oracle]

working as intended

[random girder]

#1423327675996438608 message

[livid fractal]

mmm right..

[glossy anvil]

toven how did you implement the api so fast without knowing prior?

[hexed oracle]

we did know lol

[glossy anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-doakes-meme-doakes-suspicious-gif-496833742737182965

[primal swallow]

they're that good 😎

[fading flame]

wtf... evil toven not breaking the contract and telling us beforehand

[glossy anvil]

yeah

[solid gale]

a 13% point

woah

[glossy anvil]

why would you not break a stupid nda to tell some teenagers about it

[hollow sapphire]

r u being fr

[random girder]

and there goes gpt 5.1's lead aswell

[primal swallow]

this is the worst benchmark 😂

like. its... what?

[glossy anvil]

3 points better than gpt 5 🤣

[primal swallow]

it's meaningless

[glossy anvil]

MIDDD

[fading flame]

gpt-oss-120b is not above gemini 2.5 pro lmao

[teal stream]

kind of tired of gemini 3, when gemini 3.5?

[craggy rapids]

Yeah, it really reads like 2.5 with its slop. I need to test it further for coding, but as of now, I'm not impressed.

[hollow sapphire]

fuck it send me ur system prompt

[fading flame]

gemini 3 is slop 🥱

[craggy rapids]

Brother you not knowing my prompt is a crime

[opaque pasture]

so how is the thinking_level normalized on OpenRouter? @hexed oracle

[craggy rapids]

It's on my website in the description

[hollow sapphire]

yeah i dont know your opus prompt

[craggy rapids]

I only use my universal prompt hence the name

[solid gale]

i hate this man so much

he can't ever be happy for anyone else

[craggy rapids]

https://spicymarinara.github.io/

[fading flame]

most people outside of ST do not know the prompt, probably most people within ST too

[solid gale]

mind u, zai is congratulating kimi

on their release

[craggy rapids]

You'd be surprised lmao

[pearl phoenix]

how is it guys?

[solid gale]

meanwhile, u have elon being jealous and petty

[craggy rapids]

They're good guys

[solid gale]

because google released a better model

[fading flame]

anyway back to using my goat sonnet 4.5

[glossy anvil]

gemini 3 is slop 🥱

[glossy anvil]

back to using *grok 4.1

[craggy rapids]

Yeah, it's still the best in terms of creativity.

Opus wins with writing style though.

[craggy rapids]

Yeah.

[hollow sapphire]

alright thanks

[fading flame]

i like opus but ive come to prefer 4.5 tbh

[feral mantle]

gemini 3 has the issue that gpt-5 non-codex had... long thinking in between tool calls

sad

[hollow sapphire]

opus is too expensive bro lets be fr

[crimson blade]

Opus wins at draining the wallet

[feral mantle]

it's gonna be sloowwwwwwww to code with bc of that

[craggy rapids]

[fading flame]

my generous sponsor of saudi aramco pays for my opus usage

[pearl phoenix]

output price 12 nooooo

[random girder]

maybe with reasoning low it will be good for real-time, and flash is probably going to be an amazing model

[pearl phoenix]

this is so sad

[stiff crescent]

When asking about Severance season 2, it correctly summarized the Season 2 teaser which released last October, but did not know details of the season itself, which aired in January. So the knowledge cutoff date seems correct. Also, what insane world knowledge

[pearl phoenix]

severance such a good show

[glossy anvil]

if they raise prices for flash im gonna have a big crashout

[stiff crescent]

It must be watching all of Youtube lol

[fading flame]

it's also the goat for dialogue tbh, feels the most ensouled

[wintry holly]

im a gpt 3.5 fan myself still best model

[solid gale]

yummy

visual spatial reasoning

[chrome dagger]

resource from ?

[solid gale]

https://x.com/scaling01/status/1990812719717523475

Lisan al Gaib (@scaling01)

Gemini 3 Pro smashing this visual spatial reasoning test

(as foretold, it's a multimodal monster)

X · Nov 18, 2025, 4:01 PM

[pearl phoenix]

sorry this means what? is this about vision in general?

[solid gale]

ye

[glossy anvil]

(i score 159% on that btw)

[solid gale]

🔥

[pearl phoenix]

yeah guys i breath oxygen too

[livid fractal]

is image input works too?

[glossy anvil]

can your gemini 3 make bad life decisions like i do though? didnt think so

[livid fractal]

it kept saying failed to extract 1 image when trying to do so

[wintry holly]

your gemini is lobotomized surely

[pearl phoenix]

why is there an annoying api box

[livid fractal]

I've been using blob storage with anonymous access which works for other models and 2.5 pro, but not 3 pro
which it says failed to extract 1 image

[celest cypress]

I don't see that as petty, they're competitors. We absolutely say that to each other in my compeitive friend group. "GG, you got me. Rematch in two weeks 😎 "

[primal swallow]

i've actually never felt better since i was lobotomized

[pearl phoenix]

what

[primal swallow]

huh?

[pearl phoenix]

no questions needed

just a lobotomy

[wintry holly]

an internal error has occured.

[glossy anvil]

Is it just me or has Gemini 3 Pro gotten worse lately?

[pearl phoenix]

lmao

saw that

[wintry holly]

yeah it's been like that since last week

[pearl phoenix]

very big brained redditors

[celest cypress]

It used to be great at creative writing but I guess they STEMmaxxed it 🤮

[gaunt dragon]

Gemini 3 is mean to me, I'm going back to GPT 4o

[glossy anvil]

#kill4o

[wintry holly]

o4 mini ftw

[primal swallow]

we did this

every ❌ slopified it a little more

[wintry holly]

[opaque pasture]

he thinks too much 😭 how do i reduce from high to low

[pearl phoenix]

https://antigravity.google/download/ why is nobody saying anything about this lmao

[celest cypress]

Because they have 50 vibe code and agentic products that all overlap =P

[random girder]

its cursor v2 but by google, and for some reason supports claude

[pearl phoenix]

im going to try it, gonna be disappointed or nah?

[random girder]

no clue, i havent used it

[pearl phoenix]

man im so excited to test this out

[feral mantle]

Today we’re releasing Google Antigravity, our new agentic development platform that enables developers to operate at a higher, task-oriented level.

ANOTHER ONE?

[celest cypress]

Bruh how would they know, the model came out five minutes ago =P

[pearl phoenix]

people be running 300 tests when a new model comes out, im gonna wait for AA benchies to finish their stuff

[celest cypress]

AA sucks

[opaque pasture]

bcs it doesn't allow for an OpenRouter API key 🙂‍↔️

[pearl phoenix]

i get your opinion i just value its opinion for first glances

[random girder]

is the abbreviation for this ide "GAG" 🤔 ?

[pearl phoenix]

its free?

Agent model: access to Gemini 3 Pro, Claude Sonnet 4.5, GPT-OSS
checkUnlimited Tab completions
checkUnlimited Command requests
checkGenerous rate limits *

[wintry holly]

GAS and GAG

[opaque pasture]

oh

[pearl phoenix]

why are they offering claude 4.5 and gpt oss on their ide?

thats so weird

[random girder]

and no gpt 5

[primal swallow]

just GAG it bro. im just GAGing everything now

[pearl phoenix]

who cares this is probably better

[glossy anvil]

Scared cuz gpt 5 better

[low plank]

gemini 3 is much better than 2.5 for sure but is it THAAAT good not sure yet

[pearl phoenix]

hurry up openai just release gpt 5.1.1.1.1.1.1

with 32 more bugs in the codex model

[primal swallow]

cmon mistral...i still believe in you

[wintry holly]

leave it to mistral ultra XXL to save us from Gemidni

[pearl phoenix]

its funny how everyone advocates for these models yet they never actually use them (except from seperate niche scenarios)

[fading flame]

mistral will win through their superior Polish training data

[primal swallow]

they're just as good, if not better. in theory

[celest cypress]

Mistral still weirdly has the best roleplay model that fits on a 3060 and it's been an eternity

[pearl phoenix]

everyone loves a good theory

[gray sun]

Can’t believe I’m saying this but this is probably the first time I prefer the writing from an openai model compared to google. For my use case 5.1 chat feels much better and faster than Gemini.

[low plank]

baguette and croissant training data

[glossy anvil]

Kimi k2 thinking is literally gemini 3 level but y'all don't wanna say it out loud

[pearl phoenix]

using ai for roleplaying? oh my god not this again

[opaque pasture]

i'll be honest: i probably agree with you

[primal swallow]

google just benchmaxxed ahhh... vision 🤣

[opaque pasture]

though i need to do more prompts

[pearl phoenix]

ai for writing is so unneeded

[gray sun]

Yea I’m using it for kind of creative writing. 5.1 chat is the safe bet

[glossy anvil]

Just get a girlfriend bruh

[celest cypress]

Tell that to the 500 million people using it for roleplay

[primal swallow]

not true. have you seen people's messages?

[gray sun]

I love kimi k2 but it goes haywire sometimes which I can’t trust

[low plank]

https://tenor.com/view/kurunir-girl-scary-grudge-gif-16099665809726691048

sorry if u jumspacred

[pearl phoenix]

who cares how a robot acts as long as it fulfills your request properly

[low plank]

how are people still in denial

gemini3 is the goat

[glossy anvil]

Would.

[low plank]

you can def fix her

[pearl phoenix]

where is this god damn it

i cant see it

is it on the twitter?

[low plank]

I made it up

[pearl phoenix]

?

damn it man

i want my aa NOW

[random girder]

https://x.com/ArtificialAnlys/status/1990813106478715098

Artificial Analysis (@ArtificialAnlys)

Gemini 3 Pro is the new leader in AI. Google has the leading language model for the first time, with Gemini 3 Pro debuting +3 points above GPT-5.1 in our Artificial Analysis Intelligence Index

@GoogleDeepMind gave us pre-release access to Gemini 3 Pro Preview. The model

X · Nov 18, 2025, 4:03 PM

[glossy anvil]

Its on their X account

[pearl phoenix]

❤️

[low plank]

I didn't

gemini3 is not benchmaxxed it's benchminned

[primal swallow]

please stop with the ArtificialAnals

[low plank]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-erik-king-stare-staring-gif-1343162792415382650

[solid gale]

@ designarena

[low plank]

height pill

[solid gale]

106 points

[gaunt dragon]

Hey, now. What's your artificial analysis intelligence index? Huh?

[celest cypress]

Still can't resist the purple gradient, it's like LLM crack

[low plank]

60% more expensive input tokens than 2.5

that's an L

[stiff crescent]

Hope Flash gets an update soon too

[dire summit]

there's no free lunch by using Vertex this time is there?

[primal swallow]

you guys are getting lunch?

[oak relic]

Yeah that eval can get fucked

[dire summit]

AIS is broken, Vertex is paid, guess I have to use OR

[oak relic]

Literally anal

[pearl phoenix]

that website is so disgusting

[topaz helm]

@hexed oracle Gemini 3 generations aren't showing in the Activity section of OpenRouter

[celest cypress]

I think it just takes a bit, it's been on OR for a few miliseconds

[topaz helm]

Oh

[opaque pasture]

it is working for me now

[primal swallow]

they couldn't handle it!

[opaque pasture]

how are you controlling the reasoning through OpenRouter?

[celest cypress]

I think I'd get a few points on IFEval and the coding ones and then a 0 on everything else

[stiff crescent]

Able to recognize a screenshot from a random episode of Danger Man from the early 60's.

[solid gale]

https://x.com/sama/status/1990828659981144462

Sam Altman (@sama)

Congrats to Google on Gemini 3! Looks like a great model.

X · Nov 18, 2025, 5:05 PM

he's crying, shaking and throwing up

[opaque pasture]

"looks like a great model" lmao

[celest cypress]

I love the top reply

[solid gale]

he's so mad

i can tell 😭

[opaque pasture]

the wording

[low plank]

this came to my mind too lel

[opaque pasture]

the carefully chosen words

[solid gale]

i still remember

him like

[celest cypress]

Oh my god this one kills me too

[solid gale]

dming someone

[solid gale]

whether he should

post something nice

ab elon

on twitter

and he was like omg elon is so good!!!

it absolutely kills me

[wintry holly]

that's amazing

[celest cypress]

I can't really blame them, it's sort of a winner-take-all market.

[empty tendon]

Verdict so far? About to fire it up

time to put some $ on my OR account

[primal swallow]

c'mon guys, he probably would have known

[vague quest]

How's the verbosity compared to 2.5?

[primal swallow]

everyone's spies are everywhere

[random girder]

definitely an improvement, very good knowledge and vision, very good at coding aswell imo

[pearl phoenix]

their ide is so stupidly made

designed by an idiot i might say

[random girder]

ui/ux issue, not a model issue probably

[pearl phoenix]

its not functioning

lagging always

and "model response errored out" something something

[random girder]

gonna also give it a try, sounds interesting, and atleast it comes with cross-os compatability on day 1

[random girder]

is it a vscode fork?

or like ui-alike?

[pearl phoenix]

yes

and its very very heavy

for some reason

i cant even get it to open the agent manager without lagging

[primal swallow]

the top minds of x are on the case

[low plank]

somehow gemini 3 consumes less tokens than gemini 2.5 with the same prompt with thinking set both to low

[pearl phoenix]

sam altman is def malding

hes just acting happy

[celest cypress]

"Beef"

He's literally suing him xD

[random girder]

hmm, interesting, you get options between vibe coding, or ai assisted

[pearl phoenix]

everyones going to the top option xddd

[feral mantle]

No way, Sam Altman and Elon have beef?

[pearl phoenix]

yes they are very rich they can afford it

[random girder]

personally definitely not :)

[feral mantle]

Damn I want some beef

[feral mantle]

Let us know what the difference is

I’m curious to see what agent assisted means

[random girder]

eh, its just full auto approve vs some approvals

[feral mantle]

Oh

lol

Lame

[low plank]

cool

[random girder]

"add light theme, this code has no theming classes, make no mistakes"

[primal swallow]

just in case anyone was wondering, i did check his profile and it was not a masterful troll. he mainly tweets about bitcoin

[random girder]

hmm, has plan and fast, nice

[celest cypress]

Not troll, just braindead, got it

[random girder]

for me its working perfectly fine

[pearl phoenix]

google just hates my guts i guess

[stiff crescent]

https://codepen.io/Madvulcan/pen/xbVrXzj

"reate an HTML single page app with a raytraced black hole. Goal : See how a black hole would look from close with its accretion disk and doppler effect."

Best I've seen... click and drag to rotate

[random girder]

okay well this is cringe, i ran out of limits before it even finished planning 🤦

[frank dew]

it's really acing my favorite style of prompt, pop culture/media literacy questions

[pearl phoenix]

lmao what?

holyyy

[random girder]

the ui is kinda nice though, reminds me of intelij/webstorm

[pearl phoenix]

how much t's are even credited

100 thousand?

[random girder]

wdym

[pearl phoenix]

how much tokens did your prompt use

[random girder]

oh, no clue, it doesnt show in the ui; but it did like barely anything, it listed the main directory, made a plan about how to plan and ran out of limits

[low plank]

what tier are you

[pearl phoenix]

free probably

[random girder]

free tier ofc, but i assumed i would get more than 1 whole message

[pearl phoenix]

great launch google!

[low plank]

warren buffet called it

[pearl phoenix]

warren is just an rich old guy

[low plank]

lmao

[pearl phoenix]

my bigger question is how did 5.1 get 18%

[summer ore]

How is it's price to performance in coding tools

[low plank]

codex 🥲

[celest cypress]

That's what I was wondering too

[feral mantle]

this is the most accurate bench

[low plank]

thanks

[pearl phoenix]

still from 54 to 72 thats very disappointing

big margin

not big enough

[feral bramble]

What would happen if we went back in time and released Gemini 3 two weeks after chatgpt released gpt3.5

[pearl phoenix]

why would we release gemini 32 weeks after chatgpt

it doesnt make cents

[feral bramble]

I worded it weirdly. Whoops 😅

[pearl phoenix]

yeah i did that on purpose lol

[feral bramble]

Ah

I didn't pick up on the joke/sarcasm/teasing haha

[random girder]

seems to not be the actual limit just a overload

[empty tendon]

fr?

[feral bramble]

What's the prompt?

And did they both answer correctly?

[pearl phoenix]

good 👍

[stiff crescent]

Obligatory SVG test... 'Create an SVG of a hamster on a piano eating popcorn on a piano. The hamster is holding the tub of popcorn, which is red with white stripes.' Nailed it

[pearl phoenix]

would be better if it was slightly 3d

[feral bramble]

Very cute art style

[low plank]

yes it's a short prompt however, with json output

[feral bramble]

Structured output?

[stiff crescent]

https://codepen.io/Madvulcan/pen/gbrRXbp

"Create a webapp that plays Beethoven's Symphony. It must all be in one HTML file. Use no external music resources - the music must be generated, either using the web audio API or some other method of your choosing."

[low plank]

that's really cool

[celest cypress]

That's pretty nuts

[pearl raft]

I love how it knows the start and then it's just like "idk"

[low plank]

how many tries btw?

[stiff crescent]

Single shot

[hallow surge]

how did gemini 2.5 do on the same task?

or other models

[stiff crescent]

Here's GLM 4.6.... lemme try 2.5 real quick https://chat.z.ai/space/g0pt09reumu0-art

[austere falcon]

Good model! Yay! Was worth the wait! Life is amazing!

[stiff crescent]

Here's 2.5. 3 is a massive improvement

https://codepen.io/Madvulcan/pen/PwNjOZZ

[orchid orbit]

Lmao as I said 18nov

[gaunt dragon]

Bleh

[low plank]

what ?

[gaunt dragon]

3.0 Pro doesn't seem particularly token efficient, it's now the 2nd most expensive regular model

[orchid orbit]

Didn't expect Google to increase prices

[turbid panther]

It does kind of sick that it is a little more expensive, but it's definitely a really great model.

[orchid orbit]

Yeah

[turbid panther]

*Suck

[noble heath]

Waiting for flash

[low plank]

same, but worth it imo

[opaque pasture]

also, it defaults to 'high' reasoning

[dapper bone]

@stray urchin Waiting for your analysis.

[feral mantle]

https://ampcode.com/news/gemini-3

big news

amp has stayed with claude for a loooong time

[frank dew]

well, it's worth it if the increased performance serves a purpose
I'm gonna use chinese models 90% of the time because they're 1/10th the cost and good enough for most purposes

[ancient garnet]

Hopefully they improve it over time but also it might be the reason its performing good actually

[frank dew]

but Gemini 3 is really good

[orchid orbit]

Where is @random girder ?

[random girder]

here

[orchid orbit]

🥹

[vague quest]

@stray urchin can we get your thoughts pls

the bench

[stray urchin]

I can never say so early, non-automated testing takes time. ~24 hrs (or more if there are irregularities)

[ancient garnet]

please ignore the chopped frames

[hexed oracle]

hooooly moly

[glossy anvil]

no gemini cli access 😔

[ancient garnet]

well linux and webGPU hate each other so yeah lesser frames

[glossy anvil]

linux hates everything that isnt a terminal

[stiff crescent]

Playable basic flight sim in a single html file. Single shot

https://codepen.io/Madvulcan/pen/raewYPR

[pearl phoenix]

jesus christ buddy how many tabs do you view

[low plank]

bro's brain has 1million context window

[stiff crescent]

Updated with trees and hills

[pearl phoenix]

aneurysm after 200 thousand context

[pearl phoenix]

how fast

[low plank]

pretty good the controls are bad however

[molten lance]

strong showing from gemini 3

[stiff crescent]

Yeah they're inverted

[low plank]

it's time to get into woodworking guys

[molten lance]

u can practice on me

[ancient garnet]

common for me , also brave quarantines most of the tabs nowdays , technically only 5-6 tabs are actually loaded .

[molten lance]

on my

nvm

[low plank]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[pearl phoenix]

dude wtf

this is an ai server

[molten lance]

sorry kneegrower

you’re right ..

[pearl phoenix]

yrou're''er'e'r'eee*

[low plank]

hb relax

don't race here

[molten lance]

LMAO

[pearl phoenix]

gang

i need that

[low plank]

can you fix the game I'm addicted

[stiff crescent]

Gimme a few, testing something else at the moment

[austere falcon]

Jesus

Are you running this on a Pentium

[summer ore]

wen gemini 3 flash

[ancient garnet]

no its linux , also on iGPU for now . My nvidia drivers we not loaded cause I messed up an upgrade.

[molten lance]

what is gpt 5 pro good for now then

LOL

[austere falcon]

I’m also on Linux my webGPU perf isn’t as bad

There must be something else, is this seriously modern hardware?

[stiff crescent]

https://codepen.io/Madvulcan/pen/raewYPR Here, controls fixed

[solid gale]

lisanbench

[pearl phoenix]

hardware acceleration not setup properly

webgl performance is amazing trust me bro.

[solid gale]

everyone having faith

[stiff crescent]

https://codepen.io/Madvulcan/pen/pvywpJq

"Make a neobrutalist webpage, make it extremely creative, as far as possible, push the limits. Add smooth scroll animations, add fancy colors and tailwind css styles. Make it responsive."

[solid gale]

in agi

once again

bc of gemini 3 pro

we're so back

[pearl phoenix]

this was sent before the actual preview released lol

[austere falcon]

I know it’s amazing, that’s why I commented

Didn’t know it was possible to get it this bad

[pearl phoenix]

totally visible

[austere falcon]

AGI is here god bless google

[pearl phoenix]

agi is a stupid test

[austere falcon]

Absolutely not

[random girder]

https://youtu.be/OzGnko58w4Q

[solid gale]

yea

crazy

[random girder]

model so good it saturated his benchmark

[solid gale]

LMAOO

[pearl phoenix]

this guys voice is either forced via extension cable around the head or its his actual voice

[celest cypress]

It got higher than the previews. Checkmate doomers

[steel sorrel]

hes the first talking panda man, what else do u want?

[molten lance]

i can’t watch his videos

[pearl phoenix]

i want 3m usd dollars

[molten lance]

it hurts my brain

[austere falcon]

What are the other labs going to do now

[molten lance]

https://tenor.com/view/whisper-whisper-in-ear-gif-1173647009616547334

[pearl phoenix]

continue development

[austere falcon]

Because OAI is so cooked my head hurts to think about it

[molten lance]

oai still has a lot of market share

dwindling but

[pearl phoenix]

gemini 3 CANNOT be that good, told it to summarize a pdf and it forgot a whole section

[austere falcon]

Well I’d hope so

[celest cypress]

Google will buy Anthropic =]

[austere falcon]

Just comparing GPT 5 launch to Gemini 3 launch

Or any Claude since 3.5

[molten lance]

oh yeah gpt 5 was supposed to be crazy

but it’s just a fucking router

[pearl phoenix]

was it not? i noticed a huge difference

[ancient garnet]

iGPU lol, also I'm doing infitite rendering so that takes a toll

[molten lance]

and some incremental improvements

meh compared to other models it didn’t rly blow anything away imo

[austere falcon]

GPT 5 was the worse model launch I can think about

[molten lance]

and now with 5.1 it’s not much better as per my use cases

[austere falcon]

Maybe momentum is worse

[celest cypress]

Overhyped and then over downplayed imo

[pearl phoenix]

im just waiting for anthropic to dish up something better hopefully

[molten lance]

reflection 70b

[austere falcon]

With 5.1 they seemed to try and fit the cheap niche by reducing verbosity more than anything else

[celest cypress]

It's a good model sir

[pearl phoenix]

tryna appeal to the my ai boyfriend subreddit lol

[austere falcon]

The issue I have with Anthropic is that they haven’t done any substantial improvements since 3.5

The jump between 2.5 and 3 here is quite insane

[solid gale]

1 hour since the launch

oh, brother

[austere falcon]

lol

[pearl phoenix]

you got ragebaited

[solid gale]

i can't believe this

[solid gale]

😠

[pearl phoenix]

very funny post

[solid gale]

it's been hallucinating so much lately...

gemini 3.5 pro will fix that, i'm sure

[pearl phoenix]

they tried to sneak in a paid api key in the aistudio interface

[wintry holly]

Guinness record for quantization time
trust

[austere falcon]

Are they trying to monetise on aistudio?

[pearl phoenix]

sneaky 12 output

4 usd cache write

[golden kestrel]

lol yea

and theyve been noticebaly reducing rate limits

before twas infinite

then it was low amount

i think 100 or 200

[pearl phoenix]

two was NOT infinite blud, it was 2 queries lmao

[golden kestrel]

and now its very low

[golden kestrel]

twas = it was

it was

i was just spamming it

[orchid orbit]

Who tf cares

Move on

[pearl phoenix]

google is showing their cover woah so evil

[golden kestrel]

yea no more freebies :(

[pearl phoenix]

ill find a way somehow

i always do 🦾

[golden kestrel]

i know a way but like it just sucks

[pearl phoenix]

keep gatekeeping gang

nobody deserves free ai without their pain and sweat

[golden kestrel]

github copilot education

:)

its too useless to gatekeep

10 requests per day

[pearl phoenix]

dont you just need an edu email

[golden kestrel]

no you need an edu mail and proof youre in

so like

student od

student id

[pearl phoenix]

easy to fake

[golden kestrel]

something idk in english js caled مواثقة طالب

[golden kestrel]

fair

even tehn

you only get 10 a day

[pearl phoenix]

yoo tis guy is arabic

واتافاككككك

[golden kestrel]

شو قاعد بتحكي

[pearl phoenix]

هااا مصري

والنعم

[golden kestrel]

لا أنا فلسطيني

تقريبا :)

[pearl phoenix]

هههه عادي بالنعم

[golden kestrel]

بس بصراحة أحسا شي بكوبايلوت للطلاب

raptor mini

عاملينو github مخصص للagents

وهو مجاني للطلاب مش محدد

[nocturne oyster]

lol.

[molten lance]

https://antigravity.google/

[golden kestrel]

Gonna try this in claude code

[nocturne oyster]

API too?

[golden kestrel]

Idk if itll be good but like pretty much all models are good in claude code

its only like codex that is bad in claide code

[molten lance]

An AI IDE Core
Google Antigravity's Editor view offers tab autocompletion, natural language code commands, and a configurable, and context-aware configurable agent.

[pearl phoenix]

عادي تعمل script يعمل حساب تلقائي

اههه

ohhh

misunderstood

[stray urchin]

sick vision improvements. nothing came even close

[golden kestrel]

ليش ما هي لانهائي، غير محدود

قاعد أنا بستخدمها بثلاث repo بنفس الوقت

بclaude code

[pearl phoenix]

فكرت انت تتكلم على الpremium models مش المودل حكهم

[gritty dagger]

and is it good or garbage? 😄

[golden kestrel]

آه لا

أنا بصراحة بعرفش إذا لو سويت script يسوي accounts إذا حيزبط ولا لا

لو زبط كلو خير وبركة بس أظنش

[chrome relic]

still makes dumb mistakes and gave me a worse implementation then i had before, although a good improvement to early models

coders still safe yall

[nocturne oyster]

Another product that Google will kill in 2 years

[golden kestrel]

إلا إذا كان عندك residential proxy، وإيميلات كثيرة وأبصر شو

[nocturne oyster]

https://killedbygoogle.com/

[pearl phoenix]

انا عملت سكريبت للgithub بس يحتاج $$$ عشان الproxy والund email

مرات الgithub يقفل الproxy حقي لازم استأجر واحد ثاني

[stiff crescent]

First model I've used that found Waldo successfully

[stray urchin]

it was also first correct (repeatably) on some vision tasks, out of 62 models tested

thus high weighted

[stiff crescent]

The original image

[pearl phoenix]

whats that in the bottom?

oh

[stray urchin]

chess looks also good, finally a good sota, will do rest tomorrow, now sleeps 😉

[empty tendon]

Gemini 3 is like my ex-girlfriend it's pretty but it ignores me and does whatever it wants

[ancient garnet]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1p0kikj/gemma_4/ more to edge from google ??

[celest cypress]

Wdym?

[nocturne oyster]

https://livecodebenchpro.com/projects/livecodebench-pro/overview

[summer ore]

Is this the dubesor review waiting area

[celest cypress]

Inclined to ignore any bench where Qwen 80B creams 4.5 Sonnet =P

[nocturne oyster]

https://www.tbench.ai/

[arctic geyser]

Temperature should be 1 for Gemini 3: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/gemini-3?thinking=high#:~:text=For Gemini 3%2C we strongly recommend keeping the temperature parameter at its default value of 1.0.

PSA for those using it in coding tools

[rare oar]

it's actually really impressive for a day 1 release - it took cursor ages to reach this point

[tulip vale]

From the conversations I had with it, using philosophy and Jugian psychology questions, it's AGI-tier

I can't quite put my finger on what makes it so different, but when it engages in its default, expected behavior (using established consesus knowledge) to answer question, the difference isn't that noticeable, but when you ask it to give its own intrepretation it somehow surpasses its training data.

[nocturne oyster]

Jungian psychology. You mean psychobabble.

[opaque pasture]

im afraid this style will wear out so fast

[tulip vale]

So my actionable advice to people for subjective Q/A is to instruct it to rely on its own interpretation, otherwise it just gives generic consesus opinions

Difference is night and day

[opaque pasture]

almost every website it creates with something like "modern" or "brutalist" "avnt garde" idk, it uses the same elements but slifhtly different

also, i feel he is way too confident, inducing himself to continue through errors

[stiff crescent]

https://codepen.io/Madvulcan/pen/MYyorda

Simple FPS game based on Tron. Can shoot 'identity discs' at approaching baddies. One shot. Left and right controls are reversed however

[opaque pasture]

i think this has to do with its confidence in its knowledge. in this case it's good to interpret it in different ways, but i don't find that to be a good trait, especially when he dont have the whole corebase and dont have jodated libraries entirely memorized

good for one shot stuff i guess but for working on existing codebases, idk

sorry for the typos my screen is half broken

(threw my phone on the ground cause gemini 3 is not AGI)

[slow anvil]

What did you ask it. Quite interesting in knowing what AI replies to Jungian questions

[stiff crescent]

https://codepen.io/Madvulcan/pen/yyOXvBN

Basic 3D environment one can walk around in, with map overlay (I didn't even ask for the map overlay)

[nimble pelican]

It's out?

[pearl phoenix]

what is?

3.0 yes it is

[nimble pelican]

Woohoo

[pearl phoenix]

i was way more excited than this and i got disappointed

hit by a car type of feeling

[pearl phoenix]

what temp are you using?

im getting weirdly short code snippets

[stiff crescent]

1

[slow anvil]

Im having the same issue. You're using aistudio?

[pearl phoenix]

yep

[slow anvil]

I gave it a prompt to edit it and improve it and it edited it by cutting 90% of the essential requirements for the required json object output 😭

[pearl phoenix]

hopefully these issues get resolved, cant use my normal testing prompts because i get an unexpected result

[ashen fable]

Ai-SDK is not working with multiple function calls and gemini 3 for me when using vercels AI sdk:

  cause: undefined,
  url: 'https://openrouter.ai/api/v1/chat/completions',
  requestBodyValues: [Object],
  statusCode: 400,
  responseHeaders: [Object],
  responseBody: '{"error":{"message":"Provider returned error","code":400,"metadata":{"raw":"Gemini models require OpenRouter reasoning details to be preserved in each request. Please refer to our docs: https://openrouter.ai/docs/use-cases/reasoning-tokens#preserving-reasoning-blocks. Upstream error: {\\n  \\"error\\": {\\n    \\"code\\": 400,\\n    \\"message\\": \\"Function call is missing a thought_signature in functionCall parts. This is required for tools to work correctly, and missing thought_signature may lead to degraded model performance. Additional data, function call default_api:REDACTED , position 2. please refer to https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/thought-signatures for more details.\\",\\n    \\"status\\": \\"INVALID_ARGUMENT\\"\\n  }\\n}\\n","provider_name":"Google AI Studio"}},"user_id":"org_REDACTED"}',
  isRetryable: false,
  data: [Object]
}```


It seems that the ai sdk does not pass the the current `thought_signature` back into requests to openrouter - they manually handle this with their google sdk but not the community open router provider, have any of you seen this?

[slow anvil]

You're using the paid version , right?

[tulip vale]

It was personal. Try it yourself on a topic you understand well! One thing I will warn is that if you're not well-versed in the topic you're discussing with the AI (especially if it's subjective) it will kind of sound like nonsense or just a random/abritrary interpretation.

[slow anvil]

Oh, you're using openrouter

[ashen fable]

It works directly through google, but through open router I get that error

[slow anvil]

Toven did say that there would be breaking changes with Gemini 3 pro a while ago

[ashen fable]

@hexed oracle Could you provide some insight?

[empty tendon]

This is brilliant at front end

Cant say I like it much for back end tho

[celest cypress]

I can hear E1M1 in my head

[slow anvil]

I'm not too versed in all the archetypes stuff but I do know a bit about the shadow and active imagination, is that what you asked about?

[pearl phoenix]

ok why is this suddenly so fast? i just tested it 2 hours ago and 3.0 was so slow and now i tested it and it literally finished reasoning in 2s

[tulip vale]

Do you have an interest in the topic? I'm not traditionally educated on the topic itself, I primarily use it as a spiritual framework. I can DM you if you'd like.

[wintry holly]

strange

maybe it just thought less

[tulip vale]

But to answer your question more directly I mostly asked it how certain archetypes relate to real world activities.

[slow anvil]

I'm not too educated myself, have read 3-4 jungian books and have tried active imagination before using AI chatbots(In silly tavern). I just found Jung's idea that you can find really unique things about yourself if you engage in active imagination profound.
But I personally haven't had any luck, can't say I've found it useful.

[heavy dragon]

are there any usage limits on Gemini 3 Pro calls through OpenRouter API?

[hexed oracle]

I am working on this now

It seems that depending on your implementation, when reasoning details is an array, you may be dropping the encrypted signatrue

[ashen fable]

I'm not explicitally handling it, I'm using AI-SDK and the open router community provider to handle the "tool" loop flow.

[hexed oracle]

yeah sorry, don't have enough detail so more being vague than trying to imply anything about implementations

have a few eng looking into it now to fix

raw HTTP requests work fine 😓

[empty tendon]

MBTI is based on that stuff p much

Part of why its nonsense lol

[random girder]

now that its less rate limited, it seems quite good at planning, and actually executing too

i asked it to refactor my monolithic config class into 4 sub classes and it worked perfectly
it wasnt a particularly hard task, but just something i was too lazy to do, and it did it very well, also clean code without too much comment spam (unlike previous gemini models)

though just how amp said, it has a tendency to use shell commands a lot

and the ide is very clean, diffs are easy to read and it even shows progress simplified

[stiff crescent]

'Make ASCII art of the word "Bonfire" in 3 different styles'

Here was 2.5 for comparison

[gleaming aspen]

Welp, tough luck, gooners.

[frank nacelle]

thats not how you goon amateur

system prompt is where it's at

[gleaming aspen]

what kind of system prompt are we talking here?