Quasar Alpha

[grizzled orchid]

hopefully any potential investors care for being so immature :)

[vague vortex]

do u think investors will invest in u if u just said u own a model on open router

[grizzled orchid]

no

[vague vortex]

then wtf

[grizzled orchid]

I hope they see your behavior in relation to it

and see that "hey these aren't people we want to be doing business with"

[vague vortex]

what i did?

[vague vortex]

oh yah for what ?

[vague vortex]

indeed and they put trust and business with scam altman yah indeed

very true

[grizzled orchid]

this behavior

[vague vortex]

did i say yes?

[vague vortex]

u really need to watch how sam altman speaks and watch

agi in 2025

true

yah sure thing buddy

[grizzled orchid]

you didn't say "Note: this is not the quasar alpha model"

that's the issue :)

[vague vortex]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[grizzled orchid]

anyways

[vague vortex]

u must be kidding

[grizzled orchid]

blocked 🫡

[vague vortex]

for what

lmaoo

😭😭

u guys can't be real

I literally own a company named SILX AI that received funding to build a series of models called Quasars, aiming to achieve SOTA under $1M

[spice sleet]

People are not using logic and are butthurt that the thing they found and thought was the secret isn't and now take it out on you for joking around about it.

Not realizing what it must be like on the other side

[vague vortex]

then it's their problem dude and what is this drama, omg 😭 wdym 'not realizing what it must be like on the other side'?

[spice sleet]

I mean for you

Having everyone coming at you about something you had nothing to do with

[vague vortex]

ml community is weird sometimes

[spice sleet]

Telling me

[grizzled orchid]

it's not about being butthurt, it's just immaturity to try to artificially boost their project

their models spiked like 100x in downloads

very easily could've just disavowed it

why waste a bunch of people's time with this distraction

particularly if you're trying to be a serious company

it's not really surprising considering they're apparently 17 year old kids, but I hope they're aware that this kind of public trolling can be harmful to their careers / ambitions in the future

probably won't matter much right now, but it's not a good look to anyone seriously considering if they should give them $millions to build a model

[wild walrus]

17 year olds and getting millions in funding, damn

[grizzled orchid]

doubt it, but who knows in this funding environment

they can almost certainly get some $tens of thousands in whatever seed funding

[spice sleet]

it was obvious it wasn't them, not sure why people continued to act like it was then get mad when they try to have a little fun with it, it isn't like they started this whole thing

[grizzled orchid]

it's fine as just random trolls, trolls will be trolls

but they're trying to make a company on these models, why bring in childish behavior

[spice sleet]

you can't reason people out of something they didn't reason into

[spice sleet]

idk, let them learn their own lessons

I assume you were 17 once, when you're that young, most people don't listen anyways

[grizzled orchid]

Yeah, but when you're young and trying to be ambitious, especially trying to "stand out" in a crowd of a lot of smart people

[vague vortex]

boost their project??? 😭😭😭 what do you even get from model downloads, lmao?

[grizzled orchid]

It's pretty easy to discredit yourself

[spice sleet]

but regardless, I can only imagine what its like to be bombarded about it, might as well have some fun with it

[vague vortex]

did i told u guys to pay me anything?

ha?

[vague vortex]

wtf

[vague vortex]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[grizzled orchid]

pretty easy to just put a note that says "a lot of people think this is quasar alpha, it's not just to be clear" haha

[grizzled orchid]

and then be done with it

[spice sleet]

don't take it the wrong way, it's more to mean, advice is rarely listened to, young or old, especially unsolicited advice

but I know at that age I didn't care what random people said to me

[vague vortex]

ok thank u and everything but advice for what ? for telling u that the model si from open ai ? i have the paper from dec 2024 i always said that i own this kind of models

thats it

[spice sleet]

idk, person is trying to say you're screwing up your life by being yourself

[vague vortex]

screwing up your life in discord

omg

[vague vortex]

first i'm 18 and

I didn't receive funding for building LLMs, I raised it for a completely different thing. LLMs are just a part of it

and omg

u guys can't be real

[vague vortex]

we still training sota under $1m

[spice sleet]

I don't have any opinion on your project, as I haven't used it or read your paper

beyond the project though it is very unlikely a stealth model's creator would actively troll in a chatroom about it, but what do I know ||nothing really||

[vague vortex]

who said anything about stealth model?

[vague vortex]

will i think u need to have a look at sam altman

[spice sleet]

I don't see sam joining random chats trolling, him doing stuff on twitter is whatever

but whatever, I was defending you dude, you do you

[vague vortex]

oh he just do that on twitter

lmao

[compact ginkgo]

I mean I did try to take you seriously. So maybe I wasn't smart enough to figure out you were trolling.

Only after reading the paper I was more convinced you couldn't have done it. The paper wasn't ground breaking or anything.

Also the fact that we are in 4 Common discord servers might have mislead me a bit...

https://x.com/RileyRalmuto/status/1910700905634148539

Riley Coyote (@RileyRalmuto) on X

CONFIRMED: Quasar is an openai model, released in secret (literally hidden from staff)

and i know what model it is too but like shouldnt we have some fun before i just come out and say it?

X · Apr 11, 2025, 2:26 PM

[opal breach]

God

Unbelievable how salty people get from light trolling

[rose crest]

Ah yes, because we haven't been burnt in the past before with grifters (Reflection)

[regal tulip]

I mean… “Burnt” feels a bit harsh. Maybe I just wasn’t super tuned in that week, but the scandal seemed over and done fairly quickly. And we got R1 relatively shortly thereafter.

[rugged oasis]

Before the model was taken down, I had an awesome opportunity to ask Quasar to build a mean reverting trading strategy.

Across the past 1 year, it DESTROYED the broader market (more than 10x gains in a backtest).

https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/i-used-openais-gpt-4-5-to-create-a-trading-strategy-it-returned-over-10x-the-broader-market-7ab2ccce8021

[covert wadi]

Is it not available now?

[graceful quest]

GPT-4.7 is loading 😂

[oak panther]

If true, wouldn't a claiming to have a PhD be a false and misleading material representation lol

also holy AI paper

"Statistical Comparison with SOTA" LOL

they created this "paper" 5 months ago

LOLOLOL

also what the fuck are they even analyzing? what the fuck does "accuracy" even mean??

they have all of these citations, but aside from the first 2, none of the references have corresponding citations? there literally does not exist any reference to reference 3-12

Idk what grok deep research slop this "paper" is but its so bad omg

literally only 1 \cite command in the entire document. where the fuck are these 10 random references coming from?

Gonna mention this to my friend at cornell, this is certainly abusive and grounds for the paper's removal

[compact ginkgo]

i mean theoretically adjusting temperature dynamically during inference could be beneficial, so the idea is not bad. but i agree the paper was not very impressive. #1357398117749756017 message
interestingly, i put it into gpt-4o and claude 3.7. claude 3.7 was able to tell the paper was not high quality but gpt-4o was fooled into believing it can be accepted at top conference.

[oak panther]

It's a fraudulent paper generated by AI that is in violation of the Arxiv submission guidelines and should be removed ASAP

[compact ginkgo]

have you checked the maths?

[oak panther]

they keep re-defining shit they already defined with slight variations

lol

this is genuinely in the latex LOL

"Add detailed architecture diagram here"

[spice sleet]

I guess flew too close to the sun here

[radiant spoke]

Guys, is Quasar coming back at some point?

[worthy yacht]

Nope

The trial period ended

[gaunt igloo]

Well i mean

When the model is released

[radiant spoke]

Not even in its paid version?
The model worked very well in my project.

[gaunt igloo]

Surely it will come out at some point

perhaps even within the next week

considering sam's latest tweet

that is, if it is really openai

[radiant spoke]

Got it.

Well, let’s see if it will come out like it was before — just a test.

[oak panther]

silx [..] a couple people arent going to come to some insane breakthrough
No, you misunderstand. There's no reason to believe "SILX" is anything but a single individual who has misrepresented his credentials and whose "research output" includes a completely ai-generated, fraudulent and abusive paper. There's simply no reason to believe Mr. "SILX" has the ability to contribute anything at all to research--not even the tiniest contribution. in general, in cases of fraudsters, everything is fraudulent. anyone with the ability to contribute even an iota to research would've done that fraudulent paper orders of magnitude better :>

[brazen yarrow]

Ohh, wow, you were not lying

[quick minnow]

Well I'm glad that me calling out this grifter was something good

I got added to his "list" because of it but something good came out of it

[brazen yarrow]

The entire "mathematical formulation" is slop

A store has a 30, truly one of the unsolved problems of mathematics

Vagueposting

[oak panther]

latex skill issued (% becomes a comment). i doubt they even read what their AI generated

[brazen yarrow]

The entire paper seems based on a "temperature" function they invented and then providing purely mathematical "proofs" about certain properties of it, seemingly aimlessly, without a stated practical purpose

No details on hardware or software environment for testing, the last thing you do in a paper is slap a table with results without explanation on how they were obtained

No point in evaluating this

[buoyant gazelle]

Wait keep going I'm enjoying reading the peer review

[radiant spoke]

I went back and read everything that happened here to catch up on Quasar, and what a soap opera lol

[worthy yacht]

OR shoulda said it wasn't SilX outright

But maybe that woulda violated their agreement with OpenAI

[oak panther]

this yea

[brazen yarrow]

See, it's hard to continue, because this is just

[oak panther]

also contradictory. did you solve "temperature collapse" (whatever that is) with a "clip" function (16.1) or something totally different (3.10)

[worthy yacht]

Is it two ways of solving it?

[oak panther]

also the first definition of "temperature collapse" is nonsensical

T(x) is a constant LMAO

[brazen yarrow]

"Hey, guys, I made a function. My function has these math properties: A, B, C, D, E, F.... Oh, what do these properties have to do with anything with our LLM's performance? We'll skip that part! Have a table of our results, that were obtained through thoughts and prayers"

[worthy yacht]

POV: llm hallucinated paper

[buoyant gazelle]

Reminds me of the papers I'd hallucinate in highschool

[wild walrus]

lol

[coarse rampart]

lol

[quick minnow]

I wonder where is Troy now

And his list

@vague vortex I bet your list is getting big now

[worthy swallow]

im still checking this thread from time to time because its been really excellent at calling tools and writing code. really looking forward to the reveal and paid version

[quick minnow]

$10 input and $30 output

[wild walrus]

Yeah quasar was great in cline and did everything i asked it for

[pallid reef]

hopefully not

I'd be happy if it's between deepseek v3 and sonnet when it comes to pricing.

[analog rampart]

I hope it's cheaper than that for sure

[quick minnow]

it will, but don't expect it to be deepseek cheap

[void umbra]

https://x.com/openai/status/1911782243640754634?s=46

OpenAI (@OpenAI) on X

developers 🤝 supermassive black hole

livestream 10am PT

X · Apr 14, 2025, 2:03 PM

wow, i wonder what a quasar is!

[chilly orchid]

https://x.com/OpenRouterAI/status/1911833662464864452

OpenRouter (@OpenRouterAI) on X

Stealth model reveal 👀

Many of you have been excited to know who made Quasar Alpha & Optimus Alpha, which both topped the charts during testing.

Today we can announce that they were early test versions of...

X · Apr 14, 2025, 5:27 PM

[red jewel]

Guidance is all you need btw

[quick minnow]

@vague vortex congrats on the model release!

[limber tendon]

I called it

[pallid reef]

it was 4.1 tho; I don't think we got to test 4.1-mini

[limber tendon]

I think quasar was 4.1 mini and optimus was the full model

[chilly orchid]

no, both were the full model

[pallid reef]

Toven to the rescue

[limber tendon]

so what was the difference between them?

[chilly orchid]

different early snapshots

[hard cosmos]

BOOOOOOO

[gaunt igloo]

which one came later?

[dawn python]

It's reasonable to believe the later one is the one came later (QA->OA)

[chilly orchid]

Quasar was first lol

[gaunt igloo]

just needed to confirm

loving the mini and full

not loving the nano

[odd star]

how is nano? Is it any good?

[unkempt grove]

Tbh I like nano more than full