Coco Wall Nerf

[scarlet hull]

What happened to the players who explained why it doesn't need a nerf?

They matter too.

[quick kite]

Hey if you just trying to pick on someone, this is not the place for you.

I try to stay on on topic of the thread

Am I to assume you're goal here is to try to pick on me?

[tame bear]

you did not try to stay on topic you nutjob, one of your first things said in here was randomly picking on KuroJet

[velvet pulsar]

I'd suggest we all do better to keep on topic versus direct user attacks. This conversation honestly doesn't need anyone to get that heated over it.

[quick kite]

And yet there are some people that don't want to do that and cause more drama.

[quick kite]

But you are right. literally everyone needs to do better.

[velvet pulsar]

I've been guilty of getting agitated as well.

[quick kite]

Trust me when I say we've all been there.

[velvet pulsar]

I hope that the devs can understand both points of view and that they do take note of these conversations.

People from all sides have strong feelings on it.

[quick kite]

Has anyone made the suggestion where Coco's cooldown doesn't start until her wall disappears?

[dull fossil]

Since the wall stays out a fixed amount of time, having it start after it goes away, or just adding more time to the current cooldown, is basically the same point.

[quick kite]

As it is right now it can almost have 100% uptime.

[dull fossil]

Yeah, people said it has 0.3 seconds cooldown, really not much. Either way they handle the cooldown, I'd want at least one second between the wall going down and the next wall going up.

[stable gust]

I agree with that👆

[wary basin]

This is all that we really need. The time between walls is barely enough to get to one side and do something or to wait out the wall, especially if there are multiple people.

[rough imp]

MAKE THE WALL SOLID!

[ashen veldt]

Hi

Am i shadowbanned lmao

[kindred escarp]

wdym?

[dawn spade]

Only thing I want removed is the damage of the dash she does as it doesn't make all that much sense, though I say that the wall is pretty good for coco as she's not as powerful as other characters. She needs to have a way to block the bombs, dingodiles, and hulk n. brios

[ashen veldt]

While Cortex keeps his dash + transform + piano? No thanks

[severe zephyr]

The fact coco is seen in 90% of high level play with a high win rate is a problem

She needs something to knock her down a peg

[ashen veldt]

It’s not a case good players chose her

[severe zephyr]

Especially with all the cocos that run bounce crate now

[ashen veldt]

Do you want to know why Coco’s wall doesn’t need a cooldown?

I usually find myself alone on a gem repeatedly clicking R2 to use a wall while it’s mapped at the same button i just pressed to air dashing moving around, so i can’t use it, even if i need it as my only defense/knock-off ability standing, and can’t do much against a Cortex transform+piano+dash combo... now that i’ve ben knocked off guess what button i’m gonna use after jumping to get back on the gem??? Right!!!

Do you now understand why it doesn’t need a nerf or an additive cooldown?
This is already a cooldown, and not even a sure one.

Who main Coco knows the rage you encounter when you can’t use your only ability to stop the enemy team to secure the gems because you used the same button TO GET ON THE GEM.

A smart choice would be to just remap the actions to two different buttons, then it can even have 4 seconds of activity (like it is) + 2 of cooldown (from 0.5 to 2) even if again, the game gets more and more clunky.

But fff, if you have to give me a cooldown i want to use the ability it when i need it, not while I’m traversing the map not knowing when it will be disponibile again.

Or just nerf that down keeping the same button, i’ll just hope they’ll fix Ripper Roo at this point.

If Coco hasn’t got any changes is because is good at it is. fullstop. People at TFB have studied to work in that position and they know what they’re doing. Stop pretending to be a developer.

No way u read that fully ffs

[severe zephyr]

Having cocos wall be tied with a r2 hold instead of just pressing it once would alleviate that issue

But that doesn't change the fact the wall is an issue

But I've also stated before the reason it's an issue is because no other char has that highly of a defensive move

She just excels at TOO MUCH

[ashen veldt]

N.Gin boombox doesn’t even despawn at some points, coco walls lasts 3 seconds each

And you know that u need more than 3 seconds to secure a gem

The wall is an issue like Ripper bombs were

And something else will be

[severe zephyr]

The boom box can be destroyed tho .w.

[wary basin]

People at TFB have studied to work in that position and they know what they’re doing.
Lmao, yeah, absolutely. That's why they buffed Tawna and the Spitter

[severe zephyr]

Freaking accurate

Main issue with ripper bombs was they were spammable to hell and back

They fixed that but they also screwed it up with the buffer still being there

[ashen veldt]

Ok go do an application then, let’s see if they hire you, this air of superiority is so definitely more toxic than my “aggressive” statements

Not TFB, any game dev studio

Come back with a major dev place tho

[ashen veldt]

Yes, but as i stated the last time, you can not flat them all up

Ripper is now unfun, and the reason they nerfed down is not for the spawn of bomb, is because an activation bug i kept encountering, go see the patch notes

The reason why Coco is so OP is basically bc the other characters are not that great afterall

Ripper was, Cortex kinda is

The huge mistake TFB did is presenting this game as an experiment with very feeble foundations and ask feedbacks to people who aren’t in the works and honestly most of the times aren’t even good players, making them feel free to just point a finger to whoever got different game experiences and degrade their opinions because of the given feel of power and control TFB let slip. Now the common enemy is Coco for not being patched like the other heroes and because there are people who know how to actually play a platformer and Coco is the guy. Basically the reason i said the other day. But it’s 100% sure that next time could be anyone, like Catbst burgers as they’re too powerful bc they attack and cure omg.

I’m a 3d artist, getting a bachelor in product design and soon i’ll start a game design course, yeah i’m just nobody, but i’ve been playing Crash since i was 5

[severe zephyr]

I wouldn't even say coco is op, she just excels at too much

Congrats on almost getting your bachelor's

[ashen veldt]

Again, is because the others are not that grand as characters

This game should’ve been big, over the top, excessive at some points

Bc that is was Crash always was, weird and over the top

[terse grotto]

Coco wall buff when

[ashen veldt]

Lmao i think when everyone else is

[scarlet hull]

The truth is almost no players are actually trying anything with the characters they play with.

Multiple character techniques and strategies exist in this game.

And a lot of players are unaware of it.

[terse grotto]

☝️

[ashen veldt]

Yes, and Ripper was one of them!

Need a more complex learing curve tho

[terse grotto]

Just play as well instead

🤠

[ashen veldt]

Ripper? But not as fast

🤪

[terse grotto]

Don't play N. Brio In front of coco then says "wall nerf when"

💀

Or catbat

[scarlet hull]

Of course the biggest problem with this game so far is netcode which honestly has to be fixed somehow.

[terse grotto]

Exactly

[unique depot]

The Spiral's damage doesn't make sense? Explain.

[scarlet hull]

Because it negates a lot of gameplay and characters.

[ashen veldt]

That’s there where u can distinct a skilled player to a casual one in a competition, SPEED. Take Fortnite as an example (ik every skin plays the same) but the rest of the characters are slow

[dawn spade]

How does it make sense is the real question

[ashen veldt]

But if you don’t let player go fast you can’t do much of tricks

[terse grotto]

If you are the host you have the authority to do everything without problems

[ashen veldt]

Yes

[unique depot]

I'm... confused here. It's her spinning in midair?

[ashen veldt]

Catbat high level players are real pain

[scarlet hull]

This is a major issue to a character like Crash who needs slam cancel and other form of techniques to be able to move around effectively.

Imagine being interrupted by stuttering constantly.

You can't do anything then you automatically can't fight or navigate around the map effectively and then would have to be forced to exclusively score and rely on team mates to do extra work.

Today was some of the worst experience i had with a character like Crash.

I'll take netcode fix any day because it actually can effect gameplay to the point it's unplayable.

[ashen veldt]

It’s when he can’t do a full slide or a full jump? Been there day 1

[dull fossil]

I do think the wall and the dash need to be separate abilities, yeah.

[scarlet hull]

No i mean absolutely nothing works because of the ping.

[ashen veldt]

Or just hold down R2 as previously said

[scarlet hull]

Today i had issues because of 40-240 ping which has never happened to me 💀

[ashen veldt]

That’s another major issue yeah, still didn’t understand if Rippers false activation and the half slide was because of the lag or just code in general

[scarlet hull]

40 is very playable and common for me and I use cable.

[steady heron]

They reverted the buff of flytraps

[ashen veldt]

Remembering the fist days of S2 god i was always tp to the nearest pit lmao

[dull fossil]

Yeah, that'd be better. They'd just have to make sure they get the time needed to hold down in the right spot.

Because yeah, it does suck putting a wall out when you don't mean to, and not have it when you need it.

[scarlet hull]

Would you guys be ok with Coco holding the Quantum Wall with a button but in turn Coco is vulnerable and can't move?

[unique depot]

Bounce Crates Coco is a myth. That power is being used by bad players, I promise

[ashen veldt]

Yeah but thinking about what was just said everything that needs time to load/refresh on a online game is unsure, i’d go for a different button totally

I mean it’s minimal but u kno

[ashen veldt]

Wow

Uhm

Idk??

Wow idk

Nah

Lmao

[unique depot]

you know, I'd take it.

Let me strafe with it. You'll hate me, I promise. 😄

[severe zephyr]

Can't call it a myth when I've seen it

[severe zephyr]

That with strafe could be interesting

[unique depot]

Slow her movement speed, let her hold wall perm while it's up LMAO

Then she becomes a mime

[ashen veldt]

I mean the point of the wall is basically knock enemies away but if you’re vulnerable i can’t see her have the time to even put it

[ashen veldt]

Lmao then she becomes dingodile

JK

[unique depot]

I'm calling it a myth in the terms of 'don't do this, it's bad' Bounce Crates Coco is for people that have HHS

AKA, Slam Spammers

[scarlet hull]

I feel like that would make the Quantum Wall not only strategic but very risky in certain situations.

[severe zephyr]

I see

Kuro have you thought about putting up a guide for coco and other players

[ashen veldt]

No actually Dingo is super fun to play

[unique depot]

What the hell is Coco getting out of Bounce Crates? Vertical Height? That's cool, then what? She's mobile. You shouldn't need that LMAO

[severe zephyr]

Honestly. If we had guides out for each character then we can atleast rule out "skill issue"

[unique depot]

I have, but I am in the very busy process of moving across the country, so....

[severe zephyr]

Y'know, that's fair x3

[ashen veldt]

Most pointless power for her imo, like giving that to N.Gin.. u just press O

[unique depot]

If I didn't have to get out of my house super soon? Hell yeah

[scarlet hull]

I can tell you it's quite useful for Crash but Coco? just based on her gameplay style alone i don't see any point using it with Coco.

[unique depot]

People use it to Slam and cancel the landing lag when they miss, as a 'lol u thought' moment

it's stupid

Literally committing and doubling down on using a bad move. Tropys do the same thing

GOTTA USE SLAM, HURDUR, BOUNCE CRATES

me: okay.

[scarlet hull]

If you time it right Crash can do some serious damage with combos and Slide Spin in the air.

[ashen veldt]

What’s hurdur

[unique depot]

just a sound effect

lmao

[ashen veldt]

Ahn

Ba dum tsst

Onomatopoeic

[ashen veldt]

Why i keep seeing crash players bouncing on crates to break em are they alright

ANYWAY I WAS MAKING A POINT BEFORE ALL THIS

no nerf case closed

Or cooldown but remap the button

I mean ok it’s an issue but climate change is too is anybody doing something about it

Bye

[ashen veldt]

Shut up N.Gin you’re the next getting nerfed

[last tartan]

Tf you mean, he's already the 2nd worst character in the game

[ashen veldt]

Won’t be happy till this game is a walking simulator

But like hikes, you smell flowers n sht

[ashen veldt]

I’m so aggressive i’m a menace to the society

[terse grotto]

The real pain when u saw catbat with fridge

💀

[ashen veldt]

• the burgerrrr??? Omg nerf them

[terse grotto]

Yea

#deletecatbat

[ashen veldt]

CANCEL IT

[unique depot]

@ashen veldt can you give me a tier list on the characters?

[ashen veldt]

The real question is, are u genuinely interested tho?

[terse grotto]

I did

Like

[unique depot]

yes sir

[unique depot]

LMAO THIS WAS NOT LIKE THIS 2 DAYS AGO

[ashen veldt]

I love this

[ashen veldt]

Same

[terse grotto]

Haha Xdd

[ashen veldt]

Absolutely on point no doubts

Ok no

I love it tho

[terse grotto]

bro you say the true thing

[ashen veldt]

Wait but how did u post that pic

I’m on mobile

[terse grotto]

10 level

[ashen veldt]

Ok

1v1 me

lol

That’s some lore u might miss i get it

[terse grotto]

To got level 10. Literally like

[ashen veldt]

It’s easier to write an email

I swear i’m gonna bring the picture to you printed by hands

I wanted to make a tier for real

[dull fossil]

So...we passed the skins topic. This is now the most commented topic on the Feedback channel.

I feel both pride and shame.

[ashen veldt]

Nerf the thread

[hasty beacon]

glad we can all agree wall is balanced

🤝

[terse grotto]

🤝

[ashen veldt]

🤝

[terse grotto]

Alright

[severe zephyr]

I'd love to play the same game as you guys 🙂

[ashen veldt]

No please this has to be the last message

[dull fossil]

Thumbs say otherwise, boyo

[terse grotto]

Now I will create a feedback channel. "delete catbat in rumble"

🤓

[hasty beacon]

ah I forgot to get my 10 alts to all downvote, let me get on that

[ashen veldt]

I think it’s genius i’m still laughin

[ashen veldt]

Please

[dull fossil]

"Huhuhuhu...you fool...I have 70 ALTERNATIVE ACCOUNTS!"

[ashen veldt]

Can we make a “delete catbat” thread for real

With all random chats by the 70 alt accounts

[terse grotto]

Please

Them are useless

It's impossible to give you a burger

You had one job bro

💀

[heavy mortar]

🍿

[ashen veldt]

Yes guys it’s been fun, all opinions are vaild and this has been very constructive thanks to anyone who helped figure out Coco is good as it is.

Don’t forget to read the bible

🤝

[hasty beacon]

🤝

[ashen veldt]

God i wish they could take it seriously

Anyway delete catbat

[terse grotto]

Catbat players mm who will give you burgers:

1. friends
2. Someone wants to get a trophy
3. Or he's a nice person.
   Otherwise it is impossible for him to give you a burger when you need it :(

[ashen veldt]

Catbat burgers stinks

That’s not something u would give a friend

[terse grotto]

Please tfb delete catbat 🙏🙏

[ashen veldt]

That’s true actually i only once got cured by a catbat

[terse grotto]

Same

[ashen veldt]

Ur allies ui is always displayed right?

The health bar

Yes so catbat so stingy and mean

[terse grotto]

What?

[terse grotto]

Facts

[ashen veldt]

I mean catbat can see if you’re basically dead

But chose to not give u a burgir

So it’s little to no empathy catbat is a antisocial psycopath

[dull fossil]

You will spell it correctly

Börgör

[terse grotto]

☝️☝️

Useless character in rumble

Borgor

[ashen veldt]

🍔💨💨💨 🐱🦇

What’s hurdur

[steady heron]

I’m surprised u didn’t put Tawna with CatBat.

[terse grotto]

tawna is bad

[ashen veldt]

Yes

Yes

[terse grotto]

No...

[ashen veldt]

Actually...

[unique depot]

🧢

[terse grotto]

Y'know what

Fix it

Tawna and catbat must delete

👍

[ashen veldt]

Did i delete it?

Help i don’t want to get catbatized

[round terrace]

ngl flamboyant sounds like a casual

[ashen veldt]

I am

[round terrace]

oh

well, honestly valid

[ashen veldt]

No for real there is no way i can close or delete the thread

3rd time closing it

[bright junco]

It'd be nice if my teammates would stop running from my burger to go fight the tawna (again)

[wary basin]

At this point I hope that Coco gets a nerf just because of this thread and to see several explosive meltdowns

[stable gust]

Totally agree like what the heck.

[stable gust]

Sounds like the player has recently been playing crash 4 lol

[unique depot]

I hope she does too and I can prove it's the players' faults, not Coco.

[scarlet hull]

Yeah because then you use up the Coco nerf card.

[unique depot]

You get it.

[wary basin]

What if it ends up being a deck of cards like it was for Tropy?!

[unique depot]

Because at that point, it's just moving the goal posts.

People keep saying Cocos are carried, that 'if they had more time to punish wall, they'd do it', etc etc, but it's very punishable now.

The thing is, even if she does get nerfed, you can still be good with the character. I've seen Tropys still be as annoying as S1. It's just that they're more manageable now.

If they feel they have to nerf Coco like that, then something is wrong, cause there's really nothing wrong with this character.

[ashen veldt]

There will be a time where all complaints and nerf requests will only be skill issues related since there’s nothing left to balance, Coco is one of them.

Yes, players will still be good with the character even after a nerf, but she would feel gutted and clunky, other than underpowered.

I think they have other gameplay/balancing issues to care about, aside the modes

[wary basin]

I've seen Tropys still be as annoying as S1. It's just that they're more manageable now.
Sorry for cherry-picking, but - I think that these two sentences should be the takeaway of this entire discussion.

Coco isn't busted as Tropy was, she's far from busted like Cortex was. But making her a bit more manageable (and Cortex falls into that pit as well) wouldn't hurt the character or break the game. A good player will still be a good player and make Coco annoying to play around and there's little that will change that. But, it'll be a bit more manageable.

[unique depot]

Coco IS manageable, that's the thing.

multiple cocos, however....

even i say that shit is aids.

[wary basin]

I know she is, I'm not saying that she isn't. But she's also a real nuisance if the player isn't mashing buttons. Especially in the heat of battle where she won't stand still, will move, and will have multiple players around her.

A wall on a gem allows her to easily work her way around them. If it staggers the other player, you get to capture the rest. If there's someone else from your team, that wall almost ensures the capture. She's also incredibly good at guarding relics and just running away from everyone until she's ready to deposit, where the wall comes into play even more.

And that's why I'm advocating a cooldown nerf. You'll still have to play around the wall, but you'll have a bit more time to get on her in between the frames - even more so if there are multiple players from a team around her.

[bright junco]

Multiple of any character is BS. Which is why some people (including me), would like to see some kind of limit to how many of a role you can have per team.

[wary basin]

I don't really care at this point if she gets a nerf or not, since a lot players have very strong feelings about it already, but personally, I think she needs a little tweak.

[bright junco]

Like, two scorers, a blocker, and booster would work pretty well, I'd say.

[unique depot]

the only thing we do with that is limiting the amount of roles per team to 2 each, and no copies of character.

[wary basin]

That wouldn't fare well for the general public. For ranked/comp play it makes sense.

[bright junco]

If TFB could make a Labs mode of it, that'd be great. Would be nice to actually test out a Ranked mode.

[bright junco]

After doing a 1v1 with Coco, i still kinda hate that the wall is just a big old "fuck you" to the other player.

I'm barely trying while they're doing everything in their power to get at me, and I still win most of the fights.

I switched off of Coco to make things a little less hectic, but the second match was just 2 tawnas bullying a Catbat, so I don't think that was much fairer lmao.

[dull fossil]

Literally all I have been asking for this entire time is just making Coco slightly more manageable by adding some time to the wall cooldown. You still have to learn to play around it, you just get a somewhat bigger window to punish.

You admit that you would be fine with a cooldown nerf, Kuro, so I don't really understand why you've been defending against one so hard. Yeah, a lot of players are going to struggle against the wall no matter what the cooldown is. That can really apply to anyone with a really good move.

[ashen veldt]

Again, if they have to set a longer cooldown to the quantum wall they have to remap the buttons because it’s unfair to “use” the wall while you traverse and don’t have it disponibile when you really need it as your only defense. If they really have to do it, it would be fair to make the wall a stand alone ability with a proper cooldown like with any other character.

[dull fossil]

Yeah, think I'll update the topic with that idea, and credit you. Whenever I have a moment.

[ashen veldt]

No no don’t put me in that, for me Coco is as good as it is.

Lmao

I mean, when i play Crash, Ripper, Dingo or Cortex the wall for me is as problematic as Catbat’s spammed air attack or Cortex combos but that would open other 2649287 “nerf this nerf that” threads

[stable gust]

I'm fine with the wall nerf but leave her mobility alone.

[stable gust]

If that's the case they should have you pick a character first then get put into a lobby where that character wasn't picked.

[bright junco]

I don't think anyone wanted to nerf her mobility.

[stable gust]

Actually that was the first complaint before people started Utilizing this become the new complaint.

[bright junco]

Huh, wack.

[stable gust]

Booster aren't meant to be catched instead of having offense they have mobility lol.

But when coco was one hit from hit from dieing they could escape

But if your one hit and try to escape well you know the answer to that 🤣🤣🤣

[bright junco]

I'm glad most of us can at least agree her speed isn't the main issue here.

[stable gust]

Yeah i happy about that

[unique depot]

The reason I'm adamant against it, is because instead of honing a skill or getting better to beat something (that is very beatable), you guys rather it just get nerfed.

But if you nerf it and then people can't beat it still, then what?

At a point, you have to just get better. You may as well skip the middle man and just do it.

[dull fossil]

Por que no los dos?

I've been working on it, when I can. Been playing Party Mode more than comp lately, but now that I got most of what I want out of it, gonna focus more on comp again.

Went against Subject's Coco in both blocking score scenario, and 1v1 scenario. Was playing Ripper Roo (naturally). Had a hard time blocking, but I did alright on the 1v1. Don't think I got a kill, but I definitely got close. Gonna have to keep working on that. Including with other characters.

We'll see if my stance changes as I get better at dealing with it, but I kinda doubt it. If I have to commit to this much dedicated practice, that makes me think the move is just a bit too strong.

[terse grotto]

Wall cooldown is not a good idea. I don't use the wall whenever I want. The wall will have no importance or benefit

Sometimes I want to use the wall during combat, but I cannot place a wall due to the constant dash

Man no one talk about nerf tawna

Why

[scarlet hull]

A lot of characters have the advantage over Coco when it comes to combat and many of the characters have combos that can put Coco at critical health.

You don't have to KO Coco to win.

If they run away after failing to stop you at bank or gem pad you effectively won and beaten Coco.

[wary basin]

People literally ask for Tawna nerfs in every fifth message lol. I don’t think most people want Tawna to stay as is.

[wary basin]

What will you do about it if she has 15 relics and just runs away whenever she wants? Wall also allows her to deposit said relics without an issue most of the time. I don’t think that anyone is saying that Coco thrives in combat. She’s just amazing at evading it, whenever she decides it’s time to dip.

[scarlet hull]

What you think we are not aware of that?

There are multiple strategies to force the Coco to constantly be on the run with low health.

[wary basin]

Yeah, she’ll be so stressed once she outruns you to the spawn and gets her health back, or continues outrunning over the map to get the health back. Unless your entire team decides it’s time to focus on that Coco to keep her low.

There are multiple strategies to handle every character. The point is that some of them are much easier to handle than others. Literally the thread.

[scarlet hull]

You be surprised what a well coordinated team can do to a Coco.

[wary basin]

A well coordinated team will do a lot to anyone. The other team will not just leave their Coco to die either, if they’re coordinated.

[ashen veldt]

@unique depot loved this, some people would rather reduce this game as a walking simulator rather than admit they’re bad at it.

[ashen veldt]

Also this, very on point

[bright junco]

The current issue, at least when it comes to Gem Pads, is that as long as Coco gets one converted, they will keep doing a hit and run tactic until you give up or they get bored.

It just becomes a huge waste of time unless you just so happen to have your team right there, which half the time, they won't be.

Idk how different it is in 4-stacks. When we queue, usually we just get the easy teams, but at least in Solo Queue, it's just kinda pointless and not even worth trying with a decent Coco player.

[quick kite]

26 people say nerf Coco while 15 say no. The outcome of this is becoming kinda clear

I'd like to see what happens if Coco gets nerfed

The reactions would probably range from good to bad

no matter what happens let's just try to remain civil.

[unique depot]

Wow, that's insane!

The Booster having the ability to cap gems! What a world we live in!

[bright junco]

Could you quit with the snarky attitude

I don't wanna listen to someone who's gonna act like an asshole every time someone says something

Anyways... I meant in general. Even the other boosters can't effectively cap gems with a good enemy Coco around.

Not entirely a bad thing, it's great that one of the boosters can do their job, but maybe it's too effective in the sense other boosters can easily be taken out of a fight compared to her.

[unique depot]

I dunno, stop saying things that are obvious? Like really now, we're complaining about a Booster doing their job well? What in hell.

[warm hazel]

26 players don't know how to play the game, 15 does.

[scarlet hull]

@unique depot If Nina gets added to the game just watch Nina mains wanting to nerf Coco to the ground.

[unique depot]

I mean, we're always gonna have people hate a character just to hate them. Are Nina fans and Coco fans really at odds like that? I don't even pay attention to that lmao

[scarlet hull]

Yes 😂

[bright junco]

Like I literally just said, the other boosters can't really do much.

I've been playing her, and while I'm not good, I feel like I'm outperforming everyone compared to when I use any other character, when I really do not deserve it.

But yknow what, it's whatever ig. I don't really want to continue this any further, seeing as we're just getting incredibly toxic towards each other.

I'm still down for a slight rework, for actual balance purposes rather than nerfing just to nerf, but otherwise, I've put my time into this conversation. I'm gonna unfollow it now.

[scarlet hull]

That's just not good enough for me 🤷‍♂️

[ashen veldt]

I don’t think this thread has 41 people playing Coco, some of those 26 probably never mastered her, or even played a match as her; the heroes are 10 so the possibility of those 26 having as main the other 9 characters and have encountered difficulties against a Coco is very high, you do the math.

[ashen veldt]

You got the point, “a good enemy Coco”.

Like a good Catbat, Cortex, Ripper etc etc player can be a pain for other players, so is Coco. Just... get skilled I guess? I managed to do 10 K.O. with this broken S2 Ripper against the most various characters, you should try to just get good at it.

Or join the dark side and master Coco evil laugh

[scarlet hull]

I just level up Coco to level 15 and do all of Coco's challenges.

I might not play these characters after getting them done but i do get experience and learn their strengths and weaknesses.

[bright junco]

Why am I following the topic again? I just unfollowed it-

[scarlet hull]

You can't unfortunately.

🤷‍♂️

[unique depot]

I don't think you're getting toxic to me. You think you disagreeing with me is getting toxic?

Me being sarcastic could be called toxic, but honestly, if that is a tipping point, then that is a you problem.

Back on topic: If you don't think Cortex does enough as a booster himself, then that's just an insane opinion. Coco isn't carrying you, a bad Coco will get clapped on Gems, regardless of Wall. I should know, I do it A LOT. The reason why I cap so many gems ALONE is because of Flytrap usage. Wall helps me take ONE gem. I can't put up multiple walls on gems and tell my opponent to fuck off. I cap ONE. ONE gem. In the time it takes me to go to the other Gem, it's JUST as likely that an enemy will take the gem I was just on.

It is NOT my fault that like 98% of this playerbase has absolutely ZERO patience and want 100% results right away, so they can't deal with waiting 3 damn seconds to punch a Coco in the face. It's literally absurd to me.

I've spent ENTIRE GAMES on one set of Gems because people don't know when to fold. That isn't my problem. If anything, if you're losing to Coco, you're losing in team efficiency and the ability to correctly judge situations in this game. You have to realize that Cocos don't care that they're wasting time on a single gem set if they're not threatened or dying if their team is scoring.

Ya'll be losing to yourselves, not the Coco.

Make better decisions.

For the record, Cortex AND Gin have the ability to put things past the wall. 1 single Gem is not winning the set. If Coco is sitting there on one gem behind wall, then you cap the other 3 and wait. The ONLY way you lose this is if you're not a Booster, because eventually the Coco gains power back by flipping gems.

YOU LOSE THIS INTERACTION BECAUSE SHE'S A BOOSTER.

#GO DO YOUR JOB!*

*(unless you are with someone COMPETENT you can jump the Coco with)

[scarlet hull]

You know what we should do?

Share clips here with Coco encounters.

So we can see and review it together.

Primarily how each players approach and try to deal with the Quantum Wall.

[bright junco]

i'm not saying disagreeing is toxic. i'm saying the overall attitude of this thread is toxic.

[unique depot]

Won't help, literally no one does anything in MM LMAO

[floral sonnet]

imma be real here

[ashen veldt]

imma be a troll

Delete Catbat

[floral sonnet]

I think what this entire thread boils down to is that cocos wall is a lot harder to deal with for the average player than other characters special moves, it is not immediately obvious from just playing the game casually what works and doesn't against the wall - the wall requires some game knowledge and also to some degree understanding dynamics of the game so you are even able to make the decision "do I now need to win this interaction or not"

cocos wall is a high floor low ceiling option, it is very effective against players without knowledge but is more tricky to use against more experienced players who know how to pressure coco because as jet said: a wall cannot protect 4 gem clusters at once, even for relic bank in there are things you can do to drive a coco away

the wall in itself does not need to be nerfed because it is not broken but for the average player it requires a signifcantly better understanding of how this move works to counter it, this is not at all true for all other special moves that characters have

making a change to the wall would effectively mean that we prioritize the game balance in favor of lower leveled players as opposed to high level players who know the game better and can deal with the move appropriately

[ashen veldt]

Diplomatically saying “skill issue”

[floral sonnet]

in a way, but I also think cocos wall is a design anomaly among the roster

I don't see a need to change anything about coco right now, but I would still say the wall follows a completely different design principle than the rest of the special moves of the cast

[ashen veldt]

Luckily i’d say, I wouldn’t play a game with all Tawna’s bare hands/ melee gamestyle

I’d go play MK or Tekken instead

[floral sonnet]

weird comparison, but okay

pretty sure you can't spike opponents in those games

[ashen veldt]

In Mortal Kombact you actually do worst lmao

[wary basin]

Because this is how you present arguments instead of insulting people and dropping the tired "skill issue".

[ashen veldt]

Anyway off topic, i just think that these are the abilities that make the game entertaining, doesn’t surprise me the fact everyone is raging over Ripper’s nerf, his playstyle is pretty anomal among the roaster too

[unique depot]

I mean, I've only been saying it that way the entire thread though....

[wary basin]

You had your snarky and sarcastic skill issue moments as well, but I'm not saying that you were the issue. There were a few that were just blatantly and unnecessarily hostile.

[unique depot]

Half the reason why I don't bring thesis(es) to the table is cause I know NO ONE is reading them and it's a waste of my time.

[floral sonnet]

yeah I mean I only wrote this because it's midnight and I'm so tired that I don't care anymore

usually these kind of posts don't have an impact because casuals will keep crying

this thread has 1.3k replies and nobody is gonna change their stance

there can be 100 people saying "oh yeah just do this and that" but then someone comes around and is like "I just wanna enjoy my game after work man and not have to deal with the wall"

the idea that you aren't entitled to having something nerfed because you are unable or unwilling to improve is something that's hard to understand and no matter how well you explain it will not reach people

[dull fossil]

Kinda tired of this "walking sim" characterization. I've literally only ever called for one nerf, and a modest one, imo, on one specific thing. Other than that, just in agreeance with most of the community on undoing the Tawna damage buff. Every other character is either good where they are, or needs some buffs/reworks. I very specifically have been saying I want Coco to still be fun to play, which is why I never touched her mobility with my suggestions.

I truly believe Coco would still be fun to play, and still be pretty strong, with the cooldown nerf I suggested, while giving mid-high levels players a bit more of a window for counterplay. I even walked back on the duration I suggested at first.

[ashen veldt]

The deliberate exaggeration of walking simulator expression is reated to:

1. Players not wanting to challenge themselves to learn gimmicks, strength and weak points of their opponents

2. The playerbase focus on the nerf down rather then the general mobility increase of the heroes.

[stable gust]

As a coco main i don't care if they nerf it,i'm more on the move if i see a downhill battle i leave or ping for assistance and just go and collect more relics and hold on to my fly spitters for emergencies,now the first complaint about her mobility had to be one of the most stupidest complaint post in the server.

[unique depot]

No high level player is complaining about wall.

[scarlet hull]

We figured it out long ago.

Dingodile during the beta was considered "Impossible" to beat by many and in few days we already got him figured out.

Meanwhile we were all concerned about Cortex while others thought Cortex was super weak.

[unique depot]

I literally never thought Dingo was impossible to beat LMAO.... I don't think I complained about anyone during the beta LOL

[scarlet hull]

It's crazy how trying gets you far.

I think a lot of players exaggerate.

[stable gust]

With dingo it's just timing people tend rush at him when he has a charged spin ready.

[unique depot]

Some do, but either way, even if they are, I'm not here to tell them anything bad.

I literally just want people to get better. I am literally asking people to hone skills that you can use for ANY character. It's not a bad thing to do.

[scarlet hull]

Beta a lot of Dingodile players just spammed the charged tailspin at bank.

It was such a common complaint in the beta.

[ashen veldt]

Yes, and in the beta of course there were some assets to balance as the event name suggests.

I remember when I noticed that Crash was a bit slower than in Crash 4 but keeping in mind what time trials teach took me very little to master him, and so with every other character, literally just get better.

They’re really close to end the character balancing so as i said the other day: there will be a time where all complaints and nerf requests will only be skill issues related since there’s nothing left to balance, and that’s why Coco has been untouched last patch. Trust the process, and TFB

[scarlet hull]

I got used to it really quickly even switch Crash Bandicoot 4: It's About Time to Crash Team Rumble.

Then again in my defence i have 400 hours for that game.

I was always gonna main and learn Crash.

[wary basin]

Trust the process, and TFB
I'll trust TFB when they fix the game. So, likely never as far as it looks.

[quick kite]

🤔

[ashen veldt]

Project too ambitious for such a small team, that’s the reason of all this happening.

[stable gust]

This argument is getting nowhere

[random leaf]

1383 messages bruh

[bright junco]

Guys... stop pinging me... I don't wanna be here anymore

[dull fossil]

It's actually pinging you? I don't get a ping unless someone direct replies to one of my messages.

[bright junco]

Idk why it's pinging me.

[dull fossil]

And you hit unfollow?

[bright junco]

Yes

[dull fossil]

I also have my notifs for the server set to "Only @ mentions". You have that one on?

[bright junco]

I'm just gonna try and unfollow again.

[terse grotto]

Bro just ignore the channel

💀

[stable gust]

Definitely ingore