Please for the love of god nerf coco's dash

[dry yacht]

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[broken ocean]

whatever it is, skill issues should not lead to suggestions

[twin hedge]

how about u play better instead?

[hazy brook]

You want to nerf a move that literally loses to next to fucking everything in the game.... INCLUDING ITSELF IN THE STRANGEST WAY....

Nah, get good. Sorry mate.

[opaque marlin]

Frankly, I complain about the character being so casual. I personally don't see any challenge in the character. Even Crash is a more challenging character than this one, even though he has similar mechanics. And prioritizing Coco's hits makes the character more casual. I find the hit priority extremely ridiculous. I kick or uppercut Coco, but I take damage from the guy who presses R2 even after me. This is nothing but nonsense. It's a nice character, but it seems like it was made so that "everyone can play it easily". It would have been better if she was a skill-based character.

[graceful mirage]

Dude cortex dash does the same.

[loud steppe]

???

[lapis needle]

Close or long range.It doesn't matter spiral still loses against everything due to it's linear and predictable attack pattern.

Literally everything in this game can counter and punish it.

Cortex can easily punish it.

[loud steppe]

Isnt work with catbat sadly

[opaque marlin]

Bro this Coco gamer seems like bot tier.

I thought this is bot

[lapis needle]

This is practice and showcase to show this overrated move is not invincible like many say.

[opaque marlin]

I mean you can't see situations like that every time. Generally Coco players plays better. This is just one scene. This does not apply to R2 Spammers.

[loud steppe]

Rule 1
Don't dash In front crash

☝️🤓

[lapis needle]

I can.

I always expect it and sometimes try to stand still because i know Coco players will try it.

@hazy brook Had a game in Tar Valley in which a Low Level Crash demonstrated perfectly the weakness of this move despite falling into the lava 😅

[hazy brook]

that technique is not pick up and go. i've tried it. lmao

that crash made me take a whole drink that night

[opaque marlin]

Seems like you provoke Coco players to do this agains to you. But it doesnt work everytime in every situtations. In crowd on the bank in chaos it doesnt work. And it doesn't work for all chars, other chars. You think just perspective of Crash players. Also any char player can choke or have a misfortune and fall into the void or lava.

[lapis needle]

It was Crash who fell into the lava.

[opaque marlin]

Then Seems like im right again at my argument. 🙄

[runic linden]

Nerf the dash? Nah, should nerf the Quantum Wall purely for the funnies

[lapis needle]

I don't understand how anyone can struggle this much against such a linear attack to the point they call it overpowered.

[opaque marlin]

This is more like lucky moment actually. Jet doesn't play like amateur in general. Players cannot always show the same performance at all times for various reasons. In times of poor performance, many seemingly impossible things can happen with a lucky move.

[lapis needle]

@opaque marlin

Again the point is this move is not even close to flawless,broken and impossible to dodge or counter.

[gilded tapir]

he wasnt playing like amateur. normally should be able to spiral knockback random crash players

[lapis needle]

🤷‍♂️

[hazy brook]

I dont know a single interaction in this game where Spiral wins lmao

If your move has knockback, Spiral loses lmao

[lapis needle]

A lot of players choose to panic and for some reason get overwhelmed by it and that's on them I'm sorry 🤷‍♂️

[hazy brook]

Including against other Spirals. Which I'm sure is just ping issues but

That crash made a dirty read on me by going for that slam, but the slam deadass nuked my spiral lmao

Thats what I'm saying, move is ass. If you're complaining about it, get better lmao

[lapis needle]

It's the players man.

[hazy brook]

Like that crash didn't get knocked back. No trade. He didn't take damage.

Straight won.

[lapis needle]

For some reason they are scared to death by the Spiral whenever they see it.

Especially when it's spammed.

[gilded tapir]

should be much more scared about dingos spins

[hazy brook]

Cocos only spam it cause its the only KB move they have lol

[hazy brook]

This

[lapis needle]

This

[thin carbon]

you didnt believe in your spin hard enough :/

just spin harder bro

[hazy brook]

You right

Spiral now beats everything in the game.....

When you play off your McDonald's wifi from down the street

[thin carbon]

true innovation

[midnight solstice]

I agree, hopefully they nerf her run speed and jump height too.

[tacit obsidian]

While can be true that the character isn’t difficult like some others to use, the difficulty of playing coco , like other boosters but coco mainly, is beeing at the right place at the right time always.
All boosters have this gameplay especially in a private 4v4 match, but coco more than all because is the fastest. and less concentrated to help the blocker in defense like cortex is. Great responsibility for coco players, much of the match and coordination is on their hands

Also to add to this, you ve to consider a example with 2 good cocos on both teams , in that situation using coco is not easy at all because you ve to outrun and out relic the other coco. And the gameplay coco has to have during a match is already hard , so if you add a “race” against the good enemy coco... is not easy at all

[dapper cave]

Spiral dash is fine. It's the wall I take issue with.

[ancient cipher]

this is an issue???

[ancient cipher]

yeah, her wall is more annoying

[loud steppe]

If the wall is the only thing that helps her, that doesn't mean she should be nerfed

[ancient cipher]

i'm not saying it should be nerfed.

she's fine where she is. she's just annoying to deal with is all

[opaque marlin]

Playing a team game and taking on a role in the team is one thing, but the character itself is another. The role played by everyone in the team could be difficult, not just the Coco players. Sometimes incredible loads fall on blockers, sometimes the importance of scorers increases. But I'm not talking about that. Additionally, each team's character selection is not synchronized with each other. A scenario such as having 2 Cocos on your side and 2 on the other side does not always occur. But of course, due to the prevalence of Coco players, there may be a lot of out-of-sync Coco matches.

[opaque marlin]

And I agree. This is why you dodge and attacked him. But you mentioned before that dash attacks can be easily eliminated. But the dash attacks in the examples you showed were always bad attacks. And I said, these moves are very simple, they are very wrong moves, this scene is a low tier gaming scene. Anyone can turn these into counter-attacks anyway. I'm talking about average and above players. So, the clip you shared do not show that this attack is over-exaggerated.

[lapis needle]

That player in the Jet clip wasn't me.

If i switched places with that Crash and landed that slam Jet would either be at critical hit or KOed depending on the position.

[opaque marlin]

Ik. But sometimes even the best gamers can make mistakes, and at some moments they may not be able to play well. That's what i meant.

[opaque marlin]

i see.

[ancient cipher]

I have only encountered maybe 3 really good Coco players. One of them being Jet.

Most Coco players are utter garbage or straight up bots.

[lapis needle]

Close or long range it doesn't matter to me.

It's the same linear attack and it's not hard to adapt to it especially when every other character can counter and punish it at close range with knockbacks.

[ancient cipher]

Ping?

[lapis needle]

It was me.

Discord being weird again.

[undone wedge]

the only problem I have with coco's spiral as roo is if they are in my face already and I'm trying to get on a bomb to fight back

once I get on a bomb tho I can smack them with repeated bombs if my flicks are good

just more annoying now since it takes longer to get bombs out but it's not impossible to deal with

just obnoxious in some scenarios

and I'm also cursed with knockback interactions

so I'm not even sure if kick beats it too or not but so far no luck

[opaque marlin]

Coco dash has priority of hit as always unless you are long-range-hit char. In a serious war, in a chaotic environment where it is not clear who is attacking whom, the dodges shown above are useless. When you fully attack, you will encounter a dash immediately and even though you attack beforehand, your attack fails and you suffer damage. I mean, such nonsense happens. Crash is not a blocker, those who are blocker users know this better.

[thin carbon]

@hazy brook "Coco dash has priority"

[opaque marlin]

Yes

[thin carbon]

Can't think of a single move that spiral has priority over

[opaque marlin]

Spiral too but Coco>Dingo about attack priority

[thin carbon]

????????

Literally not true

[gilded tapir]

idk i lose to bots spirals now too (as doing spiral myself)

literally impossible to beat coco bots

[opaque marlin]

Yeah

Coco bots > average coco players

[hazy brook]

.... i don't have the reaction pictures i need to combat this cap

i'mma need you to say less dumb shit while i'm at work, at least wait until i'm equipped to deal with it, my guy

[opaque marlin]

???

[hazy brook]

Coco Spiral having priority

is so much cap.

[opaque marlin]

Wdym, explain

[hazy brook]

you don't know how many times, that i've tried to spiral into a Dingodile's normal spin. and just lose

Spiral literally loses to everything

This move has non-existent priority

[hazy brook]

Spiral doesn't even have invul start up

it's AWFUL

Cocos only spam it because it's the only move with Knockback

The reason it's so good is because of the control you have with it

[graceful mirage]

For of all a coco shouldn't be aggressive now if u have like 2 fly traps or a team to back you up,u should be focused on gem and relics especially at the beginning of the match.

[lapis needle]

You are rarely gonna fight a Coco anyway unless you try to capture gem pads.

The only times i had to fight Coco in my own bank was because the Coco has no choice but to block because of the team.

It's a pattern i noticed a lot.

[graceful mirage]

Yeah coco can't really fight but she can cause a ruckus

[plush cape]

Spiral has priority over bowling bomb, or at least it always seems to when I play Ripper. I know it didn't have that before season 2

[lapis needle]

Even long range?

[plush cape]

When I'm rolling on the bomb, not when it's thrown

[lapis needle]

Ok.

[undone wedge]

yeah that's what I mean by spiral being annoying when the coco is in my face

I don't have time to get a bomb up and throw it at em before they knock me out of it

[hazy brook]

Cause the start up on bomb takes longer.

If you're on it, Spiral loses

[dry yacht]

I posted like a million good feedback posts and this is the one that gets responses

I'm don

[gilded tapir]

only bad feedback posts get responses like that one that was asking for cosmetics for characters

[graceful mirage]

Well this isn't a good feedback

[dry yacht]

I know

I didn't think people would see it

[graceful mirage]

Nerfing or buffing post are one of the highest post people will respond to.

[dry yacht]

here's a real feedback:

this is not good

that's literally the same item but a bit more blue

what is the point of that?

[graceful mirage]

Don't know lol,emblems haven't been really talked about in posts

[dry yacht]

I don't really care actually

it's just kinda crap

and lame

[uneven olive]

Coco's spiral is a confusing move to decide whenever it deserves a nerf since it's Coco's best option and it's her equivalent of Crash's slide where it's a universally great move but again the move is very annoying to deal with because it's a get off of me tool

Spiral is one of Coco's essential moves since it allows her to defend herself and be very useful (and also she's one of the 3 characters you get for free when you first start playing the game)

But if the spiral had to be nerfed I'd probably make it be less effective if the wall is on a cooldown or something but again it's like Crash's slide in some way: it's crucial for their moveset

[graceful mirage]

Well booster ability are meant for of running through the stage then attacking both her and cortex is good at that.

[undone wedge]

I mean if they keep nerfing other characters and buffing the ones they have/ not touch characters like coco, maybe something will happen to spiral eventually due to casuals complaining

[ancient cipher]

I need more pride flag banners ngl

[hazy brook]

Nerf Coco's Spiral.

Sure. lmao.

[loud steppe]

Nobody talking about hitbox tawna