Neo Zen | A theme with weird features

[raw plinth]

were there any errors when you were installing sine?

[spiral path]

no

other mods work

[raw plinth]

oh, so the issue is installing neo zen specifically, I misunderstood

try restarting zen, and if nothing changes after that, try uninstalling the undefined mod and reinstalling neo zen

[hidden gulch]

did it work? or is still like that, also i don't know if it's a sine issue or not, but if this keeps happening i'll have to remove the download using sine

[cobalt pilot]

I have another easy one for you @hidden gulch in the old arc 2.0 theme I was using I was able to have a simple copy/paste button appear on the url bar when in single/collapsed mode

this bar

now it only pops up on the bar when i click it

which isn't end of world, but obviously not as convenient

[sturdy oyster]

I put mine in the expandable area so I don't have to "activate" the URL bar to get a copy. It would be nice for it to be in there, but this was a compromise that worked for me.

The extension I am using for that is "ARC Like Copy Link" from the Firefox extension site.

[hidden gulch]

can you help me testing if neo zen can be downloaded using sine in a new profile please

[hidden gulch]

oh, it should show the buttons on hover i'll check it later also how did you got the coppy button it was a default on zen but i don't remember when it got removed

[sturdy oyster]

100% .. give me a minute.

[cloud quail]

how is it not at the right of bitwarden tho ?? 🤔

it's a mod or an extension ?

[sturdy oyster]

bitwarden and UBO are at the top right, the others are at the bottom left.

[cloud quail]

oooh ok that's why 😅

[sturdy oyster]

Pin them up top, them move them to lower left.

[cloud quail]

didn't know you could do that 😂

[sturdy oyster]

Game changer. 😉

[cloud quail]

Yes, clearly I find it ugly to have just 2 extensions at the top right...

[sturdy oyster]

I leave UBO and Bitwarden where they are because I use them the most. I put the others in the "hidden area".

[sturdy oyster]

ok. New profile, plugged in https://github.com/JustVibingWhileCoding/Neo-Zen as the repo and it DID install .. but, the "expanded area" looks off because it isn't "hidden".

[sturdy oyster]

to give a little more details:

the version installed is 1.9.5
there are NO options checked in the settings (in Sine)

[hidden gulch]

oh thank you, so the theme is not the problem, i don't know why some people can't download it, maybe a sine issue in 1.14b

[sturdy oyster]

I am on Twilight .. just FYi. The version that released last night.

[hidden gulch]

If someone is using 1.14b should update to 1.14.1, this fixes issues with sine

[hidden gulch]

thank you, makes sense that the issue could be for the version 1.14

[sturdy oyster]

Glad to help.

[cloud quail]

i can't update to 1.14.2

[obtuse sapphire]

The update checker is broken. Manually download the 1.14.2 installer from GitHub repository or Zens website

[obtuse sapphire]

https://github.com/zen-browser/desktop/releases

[viscid galleon]

hello, how can i disable the transparency and put the catppuccin color scheme?

[hidden gulch]

you can disable the theme without disabling features, and enable any other theme that overrides the tab colors, also i don't guarantee any compatibility that part should be adjusted by the user

The other option is that you can replace the color variables for the values from catppuccin

[there are some parts of the theme that you need to disable individually yet]

[cloud quail]

It's really a shame

On Mac I can force the update with Homebrew but on Windows I will have to install it manually.

[upbeat fossil]

@hidden gulch idk why but i am getting issues using your js code to fix that contrast slider of zen

it doesnt work for me even if i refactor it or wtv

[jovial quiver]

Use WingetUI

[cloud quail]

winget upgrade "Zen Browser" ?

i think...

[jovial quiver]

Use the application

Easier to update

[cloud quail]

ok 👍

[cloud quail]

https://wingetui.com/ this ?

[jovial quiver]

Yea

[jovial quiver]

Download from MS Store

Idk this looks kinda shady

Idk

Ok no ig that's safe

[cloud quail]

didn't find it in MS store

[jovial quiver]

Aha the name is a bit changed

But yea its this

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-sleepy-cat-eepy-eepy-cat-gif-8017019779793235428

what type of issues, also i don't know i tested in the debugger it works perfectly

[cloud quail]

do you have to reboot you computer for it to work?

[jovial quiver]

No

[cloud quail]

can't launch it 😑

I'll do it just in case

[jovial quiver]

Sed

[cloud quail]

nope, not working

idk why tho

it's not even on the windows menu wtf

how do you launch this app

[vapid whale]

give the code for sidebar transition pls

does it cause cause lagg issues?

[cloud quail]

nvm found the problem lol

it's working now 😉

[hidden gulch]

for this copy the entire "NeoSidebar" feature folder and just include it to your project/theme, it fixes alignment zen issues for all the modes

[vapid whale]

hmm sorry for disturbance but i just wanted code for transition in single toolbar mode can you provide

[upbeat fossil]

like it just doesnt work

lmao

[hidden gulch]

em, the problem is that for this specific part, to fix all the issues and change the transitions, you need to use the entire zen-compact code, i can't provide an specific code, because it uses multiple timings for different modes

[hidden gulch]

hmmm, i cant check it right now, i'm fighting against windows being windows

[hidden gulch]

also if you don't use the entire zen-compact code, you will have issues because it uses transitions in "visibility" so you need to adjust the timings of it too

[fluid violet]

yo what

[hidden gulch]

1.9.6 has been released please tell me if there is an issue with the media background yet - also tab groups label disappearing has been fixed

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-hi-there-cat-wave-cat-cat-hi-gif-18340632167687937789

[fluid violet]

i had to reinstall zen cuz sine shot zen in the foot

[hidden gulch]

did you updated to 1.14.1?

[sturdy oyster]

not getting it automatically via [co]sine. I did a manual check for updates, restarted the browser, and checked again .. nothing. Going to manually load it now.

(I don't think the sine upgrade is your problem, just letting you know)

[hidden gulch]

i'll check their discord or nebula to see if it's a sine issue

[sturdy oyster]

he had an update last night to sine, 2.1.3

[fluid violet]

i fixed the issue nvm

[sturdy oyster]

ok .. removed 1.9.5 and installed 1.9.6. Let the games begin 😉

[hidden gulch]

omg there are 500dms in sine discord and all are about issues, maybe reinstalling with the new sine installer could fix the updating issue

[hidden gulch]

nice

[sturdy oyster]

I have a question. Why is there such a BIG color difference in the Zen theme color between Neo Zen being turned on or off? The darker green is just turning off NeoZen and the lighter is with NeoZen on.

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-surprised-surprised-cat-stare-cat-stare-gif-112276495113776365

twilight right?

[sturdy oyster]

yeah

What I really want is a nice green color with transparency, but to get the green, I have to crank the contrast up (as you can see in the pic).

BTW .. this is NOT a killer issue, more just a question. Hell, may not even be a theme issue.

[hidden gulch]

hmmm, i'll check it, but, even if i find the problem, i can't promise that i will fix it, since the new theme color picker is broken, there are a ton of issues related to the colors that i can't do nothing

[sturdy oyster]

I wouldn't waste time looking for now. You are right, the color picker is broken, and until it's fixed, focus on the important features and bug fixes.

I have a green that I am fine with and even if I couldn't have a color, I would have my Neo Zen!

[hidden gulch]

did you selected one of this?

Nope, i can't do nothing

[sturdy oyster]

I've tried both of them. No worries, it will probably sort itself out when the color picker gets fixed. If I remember correctly (now), it changed (for the worse) a couple of Twilight upgrades ago.

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-sunakook-tired-exhausted-gif-24687868

[cloud quail]

i'll check

wtf sine disapeared ??

[cloud quail]

that's good i think

one thing tho

the margin is a bit off

[hidden gulch]

oh

check if the next one fixes this

https://github.com/JustVibingWhileCoding/Neo-Zen/releases/tag/1.9.7

also checkout the new toolbar in compact mode : D

[cloud quail]

nope

is there a flag to fix it?

other than those

[hidden gulch]

Hmmmm, i need to test for each state, the background should be there but aligned with the media controls, also you don't have any button in the bottom area, you want a button to hide it?

i could implement one

[vapid whale]

finally i made psuedo bg to stay while hoveing on popups

[vapid whale]

https://tenor.com/view/ascend-seal-animal-cute-go-up-gif-15979843582046468675

[hidden gulch]

that was already in 1.9.5 you could use it, or you did it with js?

[cloud quail]

the background is supposed to be dark like this?

[vapid whale]

i didnt knew it was released before just saw now

[vapid whale]

also about the side bar transition did you changed the zen default animated function? how u did that? like by just ease in and ease out?

[hidden gulch]

after 1.14.... the colors are a mystery for me, they removed the opacity variable so it will never show up the background colors or that's what i expect i'm not testing colors in 1.14

[cloud quail]

just disabled neo-external-nebula-animations-tabs-disabled

[hidden gulch]

no this is not true

wait

he is talking about the sidebar

[cloud quail]

idk then

[hidden gulch]

check the Neo-Sidebar, the file that says "Neo-Sidebar-Fix" it has all the changes to fix alignment and change transitions timings, is not only the variable there are more things to change

[hidden gulch]

a psychopath doesn't use the variable in all the transitions

[vapid whale]

ahh you see while activating compact mode sidebar filter appears

anyway to stop them showing?

while transition

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-standing-standing-cat-cats-cat-fun-gif-17560950

i have no idea

[vapid whale]

you use workspace color tint in compact side bar?

[hidden gulch]

workspace color tint is a variable? i use the variable --zen-primary-color

[vapid whale]

can you show how this transition looks for you

like toogling compact with short cut key

while not keeping the cursor on sidebar

[hidden gulch]

can you remember the shortcut?

[vapid whale]

you can see in settings

i have set custom shift +z

[hidden gulch]

[vapid whale]

bacuse they are adjacent and i can toogle with one hand

[hidden gulch]

I don't know

[vapid whale]

zamm i need to look for fix of mine

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-gif-14296633789298878614

[hidden gulch]

you had an option that says "glass tinted"

did you tested with it disabled?

[vapid whale]

i know i want that tint to not show during transition

[hidden gulch]

check the original code from zen-compact, there is an attribute called [animated] or something like that, or the Neo-Sidebar-Fix, they are the same with different values

[cloud quail]

https://zen-browser.app/release-notes/#1.14.3b

[hidden gulch]

also how you get this transition when switching modes?

[cloud quail]

there is an update idk if it works now

[hidden gulch]

the colors?

[cloud quail]

yup, doesn't work for me tho

when Cheff is on vacation you can see it lol

[hidden gulch]

the color picker at this moment is something like:

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-explode-slide-gif-7255121

[cloud quail]

the emergence of AI lol

https://tenor.com/view/idiots-idiot-no-intelligent-life-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-gif-12637964375483433713

[sturdy oyster]

mine did the same thing with the 2.1.3 upgrade. Just POOF .. gone. Had to reload it.

[cobalt pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-cat-sphynx-cat-cat-meme-gif-18518724

@hidden gulch

send help I'm tired of having to edit toolbar everytime I want to add a thing up there cuz it disappears

[hidden gulch]

send me a video to see what you mean

[hidden gulch]

bro

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-screaming-machin3girl-gif-22623519

decorative buttons i think

[cloud quail]

on the other hand the font color is black even though you set the theme to dark... that makes sense lol

[hidden gulch]

Not a bug it's a feature

[lucid scroll]

kek

[sturdy oyster]

That's interesting looking.

[hidden gulch]

i need to sleep

[sturdy oyster]

Been awake so long, you're seeing spots?

[vapid whale]

#navigator-toolbox:not([animate='true'])

finally found the fix for it

[hidden gulch]

not that long, but i started to play with the values after getting a little bit bored [there is another reason but anyways], i'll take a break after the search bar update

[hidden gulch]

nice

[cloud quail]

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-okay-great-meme-just-perfect-gif-13268829466700541863

[cloud quail]

just a little more effort and you'll fill the whole screen

[fluid violet]

i dont like to bodyshame but

jk

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/im-not-fat-fat-cat-thicc-chonky-chunky-gif-27317475

[cloud quail]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-fabulous-cat-gif-7402577

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-nuh-no-cat-shake-head-gif-17947965065247170515

[latent solstice]

how can i hide these? my search suggestions are turned off, as well as bookmarks and history

[hidden gulch]

you can't, if they are "topsites" you can't

[cloud quail]

are you afraid of 1.14 ? 😏

that's legit tho

[cloud quail]

check in settings > search... mine is this

idk if you can hide this

also check in your bookmarks... there is a folder for zen that you can safely delete ^^

[latent solstice]

tysm they were in my bookmarks haha

[cloud quail]

but if you want this look install the neo theme ^^

clean and minimal

[hidden gulch]

you will be able to change the window buttons order in the next one

[cloud quail]

wtf window buttons on the left ? 🤔

aah maybe its when you choose the sidebar one the left ?

[hidden gulch]

some one asked me if it was possible to switch where the buttons are, like when we enable the buttons to be in the left side i did changed the order to set theme on the left of the sidebar, but now you can choose if you want theme there or in the other side

[hidden gulch]

I would like to do that but zen has an option to move the buttons to the left side

also

https://github.com/JustVibingWhileCoding/Neo-Zen/releases/tag/1.9.8

check please if now the background is fixed

[cloud quail]

ooh zen finally updated to 1.14.4b... aaaand the media player is broken again lool

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/gritito-gif-17274376822241272426

xD

[cloud quail]

https://tenor.com/view/there-cheer-up-buttercup-it-gif-21613666

have fun

https://tenor.com/view/long-tears-gif-11087877242190144149

[hidden gulch]

can i delete the theme?

[cloud quail]

ask the AI to replace you to maintain this theme 😏

[hidden gulch]

hehehe maybe is a good idea

can you send me your settings again please?

[cloud quail]

https://discord.com/channels/1088172780480114748/1393378989002723448

made a post lol

this ?

[hidden gulch]

wait whut for me it's working

[cloud quail]

it's because i have : neo-bottom-at-bottom

to true

the area that wraps the workspace buttons you should not hide it but instead set to visibility: none

i think that could fix the bug

[hidden gulch]

They will tell you "remove neo zen", the opacity variable will never be back, if i want to fix it i should remove the variable and set the opacity to 1, but this will only works on 1.14, and i'm still using 1.13.2

[cloud quail]

neo-features-bottom-disabled i think i found the culprit ^^

[hidden gulch]

yeah i have it in true too, i have no buttons inside the bottom area, and the workspace is hidden

[cloud quail]

if i delete this flag everything is working to normal

[hidden gulch]

but i have the neo bottom disabled too D:

are you in 1.9.8?

[cloud quail]

yup

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-cat-gif-26041269

[cloud quail]

...

https://tenor.com/view/that-was-another-unique-feature-andrew-baena-another-special-feature-unique-specs-another-rare-design-gif-19089745

[hidden gulch]

god has abandoned us

[cloud quail]

why mine is shitty

and yours is fine as hell

am i missing something ?

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/luccabug-angry-cat-angry-cat-being-pet-cat-pet-cat-gif-16721872127246114794

i want to know too

[cloud quail]

a brain maybe 😂

[hidden gulch]

xD

try restarting the browser maybe

i think after an update sine needs to reload everything

well, i discovered a new one

[cloud quail]

there are 2 bugs :

• on the top you show the workspace button area even if its hidden
• at the bottom you have a margin below the media player

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-16757454

[hidden gulch]

full rewrite is comming

[cloud quail]

pov : full rewrite of the theme : it's now "hell zen" instead of "neo zen"

[hidden gulch]

not a bad idea, and now it will include js

or better

fork zen and revert the color picker

[cloud quail]

https://tenor.com/view/bleach-eyes-gif-13300017

[cloud quail]

NO : fork zen and DELETE this monstrosity

[hidden gulch]

can i delete the entire theme?

[cloud quail]

fork zen to rename it stress

[hidden gulch]

wait out of jokes, how would you implement the color picker?

[cloud quail]

make a randomizer button lol

and pray so you can pick the right color

[hidden gulch]

xD

[cloud quail]

• "so did you make good progress today?"
• "nope, i have'nt got the colors i want"

[hidden gulch]

ksakdsaksdks

;-; oh wait that's the actual state

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-sleepy-cat-morning-coffee-gif-for-mary-gif-20056562

if the media background is not fixed now, i'll fork nebula

https://github.com/JustVibingWhileCoding/Neo-Zen/releases/tag/1.9.9

[vapid whale]

i also fixed the media player finally

[hidden gulch]

for arcline or for nebula?

[vapid whale]

arcline

but had to use clip path

idk how much performance will be affected

[hidden gulch]

wait, but you just need one clip path

[vapid whale]

yeah just to keep playing art work inside the media player

[hidden gulch]

it display an image from whatever you are playing?

[vapid whale]

yeah

[hidden gulch]

that's cool, it uses js?

[vapid whale]

yes

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-stairs-gif-26161925

i cant i don't know js

[vapid whale]

vibe code

[hidden gulch]

i tried but my brain freezes when i try to do something with it i just want to remove the opacity limitation that zen has now, but i don't know jadp said that the code that i had doesnt work

i don't know the code works for me

[vapid whale]

lemme finish mine i will give u

[hidden gulch]

If "neo-bottom-at-bottom" setting doesn't work..... it's because im dumb and i forgot to change the name in sine to the new name srry the new name is "neo-features-bottom-at-bottom"

[vapid whale]

bruh so many choices i will add prefs

do you know how can i match the transition of my psuedo bg to the zen media player

[hidden gulch]

i use this values

[cloud quail]

imma test this rn

does neo-features-workspace-disabled supposed to do a thing?

• neo-features-bottom-disabled replaced neo-buttons-at-bottom

anyway it's working wonderfull ^^

can't you just use the one in nebula ?

only works if neo-features-bottom-disabled is set to false

that leaves only those 2:

[vapid whale]

liquid ass moment

[cloud quail]

is it from nebula?

or a custom one ?

[vapid whale]

arcline one custom u can say

[cloud quail]

still a little bit difficult to read tho

[vapid whale]

no i am currently working on it it was for mock up liquid glass

[hidden gulch]

Nah don't worry this one is ez to fix now, already fixed it but i'll wait to have the search bar code done to publish the fix

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-cat-kitty-sleepy-tired-gif-9176539601255345484

i don't want to update the settings wiki

[cloud quail]

neo-features-workspace-disabled and neo-buttons-at-bottom : there are useless now ?

did you delete those?

[hidden gulch]

The change for neo-buttons-at... is because it was part of the feature, but it never gets disabled when you disable the feature, now, if you want to change its location, you have to enable neo-bottom

For neo-features-workspace-disabled, it’s the same case, I'm not disabling the setting that hides the workspace button if you disable neo-workspace

I'm unsure whether I should force users to use neo-workspace or leave it as it is now

[cloud quail]

So why do you leave 2 flags to do the same thing? There should only be one to disable the workspace buttons, right?

[hidden gulch]

but this one disables the feature "neo-features-workspace-disabled" it doesn't hide the button, the feature for workspace button is the mode where you can switch between workspaces and the strip won't show more than 5 sub buttons, and if you disabled "halo mode" than you will have scroll behavior in collapsed mode

[cloud quail]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

so much complexity for this little thing 😂

[hidden gulch]

white background will be the default??????

._.

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/shh-cats-gif-14317670277085954258

it's to let you customize the theme with all the options

also halo mode is broken in 1.14

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-cat-kitty-sleepy-tired-gif-9176539601255345484

[potent frost]

currently on 1.9.6, if i switch to my 4th workspace, it hides the first one all the way on the left, but it doesn't do that if i'm on my first workspace. kinda weird. afaik, only started doing that on zen 1.14.4b

oh there's and update for neo zen, hold

ok it still does it

[cloud quail]

can you make them disappear? on mac i'm used to have the sidebar on the right ^^

and also i have a screen on the left so everytime i want to see something on my other monitor, the sidebar is triggered

it's not there in compact mode if you have set zen.view.experimental-no-window-controls to true

[hidden gulch]

it's a feature not a bug

you can disable it

also update to 1.9.9

[hidden gulch]

i don't understand, but zen has this option to hide them

[cloud quail]

nope not if the sidebar is on the right

on the left, no problemo

[hidden gulch]

hmmmmm, i think is not easy because the bar of the window will be expanding even if i hide theme, i don't know let me see

[cloud quail]

it's a bug on zen not your theme i think... difficult to hide them all the time idk

[hidden gulch]

i tried with css to hide them but the bar is still there

i think it's used for the bookmarks too

[cloud quail]

even with zen.view.experimental-no-window-controls?

[cloud quail]

it's stupid to make this animation if there are no bookmarks in it

[hidden gulch]

maybe a mac issue

[cloud quail]

lol nope !

mac AND windows

[hidden gulch]

;-; it's working for me

[cloud quail]

https://tenor.com/view/why-persian-room-cat-guardian-but-why-trendizisst-anyaboz-gif-2156104475561014590

[hidden gulch]

i don't know since zen wants to be arc nothing make sense in this thing

at this point zen is zen just if you don't care about, performance, customization, compatibility, community, extensions, privacy, security

[potent frost]

i just did. and how do you disable it? which section is it under?

[hidden gulch]

Neo Workspace, halo mode

[cloud quail]

wtf is this

i can't hide them

[hidden gulch]

wtf

[cloud quail]

ok f*ck it... i'll stick with your version

much less space

[hidden gulch]

in the about:config search for "left" and the option to change theme to the left

in windows

that's how it works for me but you need to restart the browser

[cloud quail]

zen.view.experimental-force-window-controls-left this?

[hidden gulch]

yes

[cloud quail]

omg it works ty

[potent frost]

sick, thanks

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-tiktok-dancing-gif-26030493

[cloud quail]

-1 on the TODO list lol

https://tenor.com/view/list-to-do-long-first-list-of-things-gif-4577829

[hidden gulch]

my todo list ends today, i'll release v2 with the search and nothing else i'm so done with zen

[cloud quail]

can i contribute to the project later ? that's fine ?

[hidden gulch]

oh and i will fix the opacity, i updated to 1.14.4 so i'll check it

[cloud quail]

i don't wan't this theme to die

[hidden gulch]

yeah i'll be accepting prs but i won't continue putting the same effort

[cloud quail]

just fixes you mean ?

[hidden gulch]

maybe fixes, but as zen becomes more

yeah

but as zen becomes more and more restrictive it will be hard for me, also maybe the looking of the theme will die

[cloud quail]

yeah 😢

if that's the case i really hope they will be reactive on PRs

and make the browser as flexible as possible

[hidden gulch]

after my impolite discussion with cheff, i think this will be not the case

[cloud quail]

GREAT ! great idea to reproduce all the errors done by arc

[hidden gulch]

;-; true

but maybe future users don't care about beta version on how it was, i joined to late to css

[cloud quail]

if you can give users the choice they will stay but if you make harsh decisions some people will leave that's sad

[fluid violet]

I read arcane and I was so happy for a second like omg arcane theme in zen

[hidden gulch]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fluid violet]

Color picker

???

Ph ok

[hidden gulch]

._.

well

Hmm, this is the last update from me. Thank you all for the support and for the bug reports, even in those moments when the stress almost made me want to set my PC on fire.

Zen is becoming more and more restrictive, and some theme modules are breaking with each new update. It’s possible that some Neo Zen features might still work behind the scenes, but without its appearance, it’s just not the same.

Customization was the only reason I kept using the browser. Now, with the recent changes, I’ve decided to step away.

😄 thank you guys

https://github.com/JustVibingWhileCoding/Neo-Zen/releases/tag/2.0.0

Any bug report... not with me anymore

[obtuse sapphire]

noooooooo 😭😭

[obtuse sapphire]

Understandable, when your not in control and working around the decisions of cheff. Is cheff completely disallowing customization via css or something? What are the recent changes?

This theme is superior in every way and was the main reason I use Zen. I appreciate the hard work you put into making this theme 🚀 @hidden gulch

[fluid violet]

We lost another one

[cloud quail]

wdym step away ? are you using another browser ?

[cloud quail]

I will try to maintain this theme via PRs since I use it I admit that it also annoys me to see it die

[obtuse sapphire]

Sounds like hes changing browser yeah 👍

[obtuse sapphire]

You could fork the repository / copy the code and make a new GitHub repository? Then it could be updated easier via sine

[cloud quail]

is there a chromium browser that has the sidebar like arc and zen ? 🤔

I can't stand Chrome anymore with their tabs at the top... and also good security and privacy level, it's not really that good.

[lucid scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-kitty-crying-kitty-crying-sobbing-crying-cat-gif-14392979951653211058

[obtuse sapphire]

Not really. Maybe a random chromium fork on GitHub somewhere. I don’t like chromium, it feels heavy and I like using betterfox user.js to improve security and privacy

You could try pissandshitium browser. I hear it’s pretty good 👍 https://pissandshittium.org/

[hidden gulch]

i can give you permissions and everything you need if you want

[hidden gulch]

There are so much reasons, but i'll limit my self just to leave the project

[hidden gulch]

I've never stoped using brave or firefox i was looking on how replicate the workflow in firefox, and ..... uh surpise sideberry does the same......

no reason to continue with this for me

[sturdy oyster]

https://flow-browser.com/

I'm not endorsing it, just posting it.

[sturdy oyster]

I am VERY sad to see you and this theme go. Leave knowing you had one of (if not) THE best themes out there!!!!!

[potent frost]

unfortunate

man this is what i really wanted to NOT happen

sadly no other browser lets me customize to this extent

but hey if i can get like 95% of it in like, floorp, and i can still keep most of my stuff set the way i have it

i just want this project to succeed, and this ain't the way to it

[hidden gulch]

zen or neo zen or both, i didn't understand

[hidden gulch]

thank you

[hidden gulch]

I think firefox is good enough, the only problem are the new "TOS", sideberry does the same than zen browser and is just an extension, and all the themes for zen could work in firefox, you can customize the sideberry panel with css too, also you can hide the sidebar of firefox and at the end is the same

[potent frost]

Zen

[potent frost]

I've used sidebery before, with zen, a while ago, but it still never quite was as nice as the built in sidebar

At least to me

I'm pretty sure green is working on natsumi for regular Firefox/floorp, so if you also make something like neo zen for them, I'll consider moving

[hidden gulch]

yeah in appearance, but in performance.... that's why i say that for me doesn't make sense to continue with zen the only good thing was customization :/

[potent frost]

Until then, I'll see where zen goes

[hidden gulch]

yeah i'm leaving zen but i'll keep watching if he keeps this "new direction"... like i still don't understand everything he said but... okay it's his project, i don't know if it's related with the integration of DIA with ARC, or if it's another thing

[potent frost]

DIA?

Oh

Huh

Yeah that tracks with where arc was going

[hidden gulch]

dia browser + arc browser, but i don't know if it's true or if it's a fake news

[potent frost]

From what i can see, arc is just like

Gone

And dia in its place

I've gotten way too used to the looks of arc and zen that i don't think i can switch to anything else plain like Firefox or floorp without custom css and stuff

[hidden gulch]

this things are why im leaving the project too, everything change abruptly, like something works than it get's reverted, and after it get's reimplemented, instead of keep an standard, i tested neo zen in twilight today, now there is a code that overrides everything you do because zen now calculates the spacing between workspace sub buttons, so the feature "halo mode" that let's you have just 5 workspaces visible and displace with it, in the next version the buttons will not have the normal looking they get smaller because it is calculating it's width depending on the number and your sidebar width, and i don't know if it calculates it with css or js, simple things like that..... will be a nightmare for me to fix in the future

[potent frost]

To be fair

It is still in beta, and things are always subject to change

Making big custom themes like neo zen for in dev software was always going to be an uphill battle

[jade ice]

I suggest you resume NeoZen's support after Zen stable releases.

•

[potent frost]

I imagine a proper "final" release is quite a ways away

[hidden gulch]

if it becomes more restrictive than no :/

[potent frost]

That flow browser someone sent earlier looks interesting

But since it's chromium based, i wonder if it shares the adblock breaking Google rolled out at some point

[jade ice]

Eh, I don't understand what components got restrcited? Rn I only see workspace button is affected in 1.14.4b.

[potent frost]

Cheff's entire philosophy on Zen has shifted over time, and now things are just getting changed to fit what he wants, so yeah some things are getting restrictive

First it was the color gradients

Who knows what's next

But I'll be here to see it

So

[jade ice]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/scl/fi/13f7pk191vzgr44fw9xb4/zen_Mc2sTadChA.mp4?rlkey=i6503dfk30z0p7kt8vxg1tr1u&dl=0
This is the workspace button thing I'm talking about.

[hidden gulch]

Install neo zen in twilight and try to select a color, than if you like transparency you can't now, floating colors are not able anymore, you can't choose your mode between dark and light the color picker is forcing you to choose a color, this or use the default colors from zen, and before the color picker, he started with removing the hability to remove topsites, also after this change firefox doesn't show the floating url bar if you disable all sugestions so it's okay now nothing to do, AAAAAAAAAAAAANDDDDDDDDDDDD

i should shut up at this point

[potent frost]

Perhaps I'll look into that flow browser, maybe check out vivaldi again, so i have backups in case zen really goes down at some point

I'm committed to zen atp and i really really want to see it succeed

Hopefully things pivot back at some point

[jade ice]

•

[hidden gulch]

I think zen will become more popular, and maybe this is what he fears, so that's why more and more things will be limited, as there are a ton of mods, the compatibility is not his fault, is the mods developer right?, and things could get broken if the support of the mods don't continue, so who is the person that the people will blame if something looks like neo zen in twilight , there are users that instead of reporting the issues to jadp, they go directly with cheff, imagine if zen takes 10% of the browsers users...... like

[obtuse sapphire]

Unpopular opinion but In all honesty zen is just a slightly modified Firefox. I’ll modify my own Firefox happily if zen goes down or becomes too self centred

[hidden gulch]

.... now i just need to enable the userchrome to adapt... neo zen i think

[obtuse sapphire]

Good luck, that would be cool if you put the Firefox adapted version of neo-zen on GitHub? Neo-Fox - Theme for Firefox or something like that

[hidden gulch]

is a good idea, but i don't know yet

[obtuse sapphire]

Yeah I meant one day if you have it looking good and want to share the setup. And I meant to say neo-fox but yeahhh all good

[cloud quail]

I found Vivaldi good but there are still a lot of features that are either poorly done or missing.

[jade ice]

Yes, I got my sidebar disappear after I customized the shortcuts to my liking and installed VivalArc. 😭

[brazen dome]

I'm sorry you are leaving, your project is great!

As a side note, i was wondring, what about performance of Zen you dont like? Is there any better FF fork that does better in terms of performance?

[cobalt pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-nuh-no-cat-shake-head-gif-17947965065247170515

I cant live without neo

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-gif-19730757

[latent solstice]

@hidden gulch will neo come to firefox?

[sturdy oyster]

now THAT I could get behind!

[tough sleet]

Someone know the fix for this new change ?

[cloud quail]

too young to swicth, not many people to maintain the project...but looks great and i hope they will grow stronger and not die in 3 month ^^

rn I think Zen is the most featured based browser, and the most flexible (atm, if it keeps restricting the browser i'll be forced to leave)

[potent frost]

i'm already looking into floorp, but dammit i WILL go down with this ship

[cloud quail]

interesting...

[potent frost]

Green is also making natsumi v4 for floorp, so there's that too

[cloud quail]

wtf

that's a lot of commits 😅

created in 2021 👀

[cloud quail]

they also have AI chatbot in the sidebar... which was previously remove from zen because of security issues... is it also the case in floorp ?

[potent frost]

Regular Firefox has that now??

[sturdy oyster]

yeah, the changes keep alienating the creators and such. That
is a bad sign. I love it, but a BIG part of that love is the themes and mods.

[hidden gulch]

[cobalt pilot]

I will follow neo anywhere, king.

[hidden gulch]

xDDDDDDD

i don't know what to do

[cobalt pilot]

why be a firefox if you can be a waterfox

[cloud quail]

After each update I have the impression the idea is to break as many themes as possible

https://tenor.com/view/no-oh-gif-22411951

[hidden gulch]

I got this impression too, but to be more precise..... looks like this changes affects more drastically neo zen, the main feature was the bottom and workspace button area i liked the idea on having more than 20 workspaces as a psycopath and the buttons would never overflow or get smaller

[frigid radish]

Specifically themes that ruin performance.

[mellow wharf]

That's expected since Zen is still in beta phase.

[cobalt pilot]

another day with no neo updates. I am going to cry @hidden gulch

[sturdy oyster]

fairly certain there won't be any more updates.

[cloud quail]

right now i'm a little buzy but i'll look into it later can you share your problems ?

[hidden gulch]

another day with the opacity limited and forced to use light mode with "light colors", no functional light/dark buttons and workspace sub buttons width controlled directly by the browser, is the end guys

[cloud quail]

bro calm down... in 2 weeks i'll be a lot more free to look into it

[hidden gulch]

I was joking, also take your time, until zen gets more updates, and if zen gets better, and for better means less restrictive, i could continue

[brazen dome]

Hey, i have read above you said zen isn't good in terms of performance, is there any good FF fork that performs better?

[hidden gulch]

Also i need to add something to this, neo zen is a heavy theme, so i tested without it, and i got the same result, sometimes switching work-spaces seems to be laggy, some one could say "open less tabs bruh duh u are using too much ram".... em, i have 64gb and this doesn't happen if i use sidebery in Firefox which is just an extension an does the same, loading pages is slower than Firefox, i don't know why but compared to chromium browsers like brave, performance is not a good point in Firefox based browsers, and for privacy brave>zen>firefox>chrome

I think firefox is pretty well, the only issue are their new TOS but you can disable things the same way zen does using policies and that's it, did i pass the major or i have to repeat the year teacher?

[brazen dome]

i personally don't experience any internal performance issues since i have high end pc for games however you are right about FF being significantly slower than any Chromium-based browser especially on page loading

I guess upcoming update 141 will improve it since it introduces WebGPU

[hidden gulch]

Oh that would be nice, i watched a video about the engine not being updated in 7 years..... i don't know if that is true or not

[brazen dome]

Not sure about engine but FF team for sure wasn't doing enough especially since they are not working for free and doing full time job

google pays $80m a year for being default search engine in FF, wtf do they even spend that money on if they don't work on browser performance, lmao

[hidden gulch]

HeHEHEHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, did you see a video that explains where their money go, the CEOs salary is like the 80% of their earnings

i just said a number but i dont remember

[brazen dome]

bro must be swimming in money like Scrooge McDuck

[hidden gulch]

Not 80% but bruh she wins for doing nothing

https://youtu.be/-8bTquKjzos?t=1040

[cloud quail]

It's really these people who disgust me the most. It's like Arc who is just there to make money and that's it...

[light silo]

Will this Them have gapless and pinned extensions mods?

[cloud quail]

what do you mean ? Can you show us a screenshot with the area circled?

[light silo]

This Features From Nebula Theme

[cloud quail]

bro show us a screen 😂

[light silo]

I am sorry I was having issue with sine to install nebula after fresh install so I could not have the screenshot

[cloud quail]

there's probably a way to add it yeah

[feral horizon]

is there a way to hide the sidebar scrollbar in compact mode?

[cloud quail]

idk i'll look into it later (this week)

[hidden gulch]

is it not hidden by default?

[feral horizon]

looks like its a problem with super pins but not sure what to do about it

[jade ice]

@frigid radish Have a look at this.

[frigid radish]

go in the superpins settings and change the workspace indicator position to default.

[feral horizon]

that worked as did changing the essentials back to default

[tidal comet]

are there any guide to show to install it?

[cloud quail]

go to the github and check the readme... you will see a guide there

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/uuh-cat-funny-cats-uhh-gif-5575392758585270122

there is no guide

[hidden gulch]

you can use sine or, download the source code from the releases, and copy it into your chrome folder

also is not being updated, so i do not recommend you to use it as a default theme after the version 1.14.3

Edit: I'm using Brave and Firefox now also i uninstalled zen, srry guys but i see the same complaints in redit so i assume that nothing is fixed
- If some one wants to maintain it with prs or even fork it, feel free to do it, if not.... the classic one, go Nubulu

[ocean panther]

when do you update neo zen

[jade ice]

When Zen stable releases.

[cloud quail]

I will be a little more available next week if you ever encounter any problems.

[ocean panther]

now, neo zen has any bugs?

[hidden gulch]

I don't know, I don't have zen installed anymore

[brazen dome]

what do u use instead?

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/gatito-negro-gato-gatos-gif-22280872

Firefox

[jade ice]

NeoZen works on Firefox?

[cloud quail]

he uses firefox with an extension to have vertical tabs

[cobalt pilot]

neo floorp when? @hidden gulch

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-gif-25974981

I don't know

[hidden gulch]

I don't know too

[cloud quail]

i don't think so

[hidden gulch]

I'll try to adapt it to firefox since this area exist by default now, but it will be another repository, the advantage of the areas is that they don't have a limit and we can resize them but i don't know how the area hide the icons, if the icons are being hidden with js than i won't try to adapt the bottom area

Also.... ignoring sidebery for the moment.... Is there something that i can take from neo zen to firefox?, maybe the urlbar, window buttons and.... the appearance but there is nothing else i think, i could try to fix the expand on hover of the sidebar in firefox

And maybe if i can make the sidebar of sidebery transparent than try to detect if sidebery is installed and if it is, than it will hide the firefox sidebar automatically

I don't like js injection due to security concern, so the theme will be always css no matter the browser

Also tab groups in firefox are horrible sidebery is so much better but it uses like a custom css in the panel and it's confusing for me

[cloud quail]

It's a real shame that Firefox doesn't have

• split screen
• glance
• floating urlbar

i can't live without them 😭

[stuck rock]

You have vivaldi as the best firefox alternative at customization.

I use edge as my main bc I don't need something customizable, I just need to live with ai lol.

[cloud quail]

meeh i don't like it The keyboard shortcuts are very poorly managed... and the split view is hell, it doesn't work automatically.

[brazen dome]

vivaldi is chrome thus it will drop support of manifest v2 which is not acceptable

[limpid lantern]

how do i add this theme?

[hidden gulch]

go to the releases and download the sourcecode and than copy it to the chrome folder

[limpid lantern]

ty

[hidden gulch]

the floating bar is pure css, natsumi from green already has the floating urlbar for firefox

[worn hawk]

How do I remove the loading blur

It's causing issues with sites that use basic auth

[hidden gulch]

it uses the same rules as nebula, cause this part is from nebula

if you want to disable all the nebula animations you can go to the wiki and look for the rule to do it

[potent frost]

well it seems neo zen finally broke after an update

to the point where i probably should downgrade

the better bottom part totally broke after 1.14.10b

[cloud quail]

which part is broken ?

[potent frost]

Neo bottom

totally borked

workspace indicators are off, and it totally shifted the locations of the toolbar buttons i set

[cloud quail]

aah yeah I deactivated them that's why I didn't pay attention

i'll look into it next week (i'm at a birthday party this weekend)

also : folders are around the corner so it will be much stable (i hope)

[potent frost]

truthfully, don't rush. a certain somebody is releasing the new version of a certain theme for floorp tomorrow, and i been considering switching to that recently, given everything that's happened with zen over the last while. so it's no rush.

i disabled it as well, so

no big deal

[cloud quail]

ok 😅

[cloud quail]

what is it called ? 😂

I'll see if it's worth switching or not.

[potent frost]

It's natsumi lmao

For floorp

[cloud quail]

aah 😂

https://tenor.com/view/captain-obvious-thank-you-superhero-super-hero-gif-9900289

[sturdy oyster]

OR Firefox. I have it loaded in Firefox nightly and really .. it's sweet!

[true hazel]

Where is the installation documentation??

[true hazel]

nevermind

[cloud quail]

FOLDERS ARE HERE 😏

i'll try to find some bugs now that the folders are there

[cobalt pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/wolverine-gif-26323206

@hidden gulch

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/spook-spooky-frightening-approach-cat-gif-3742264940980284615

[cloud quail]

a lot of stuff is broken in the theme haha

[hidden gulch]

Just think about how in the four months since the theme hasn't been updated, they still haven't fixed the color issue, that says a lot

[cloud quail]

What color issues?

[ocean panther]

waiting for neozen's return

[cloud quail]

If I fork the project and iterate on it, will you guys make some issues for me to fix?

I don't remember any of the problems I encountered, so I think I'll have to go exclusively through GitHub issues, otherwise I won't be able to remember everything.

Is anyone up for iterating on this project or am I going to have to do it alone? 😅

[jade ice]

I'll do it bro!

I'll test everything throughly...

[cloud quail]

ok nice 👍

you know how to code or you just want to test

[jade ice]

I know very basic CSS and currently maintain the Arc2.0 theme.

[cloud quail]

I'm going to do like him and make a production version and a test version.

Don't worry, I'm a developer, I'll be able to help you.

I'm going to set up the project on Friday, I think it's tight timing-wise before the end of the week.

From next week I will have much more time

I will add you as a maintainer of the project

You'll have to give me your contact details so I can add you to the project though 😅

[jade ice]

GitDevEnv is my username

If you're inviting me, then I'll accept it few hours later we I'm going to sleep rn

[cloud quail]

it's sent

for the rest I will see that Friday or the beginning of next week if I am too short in terms of timing

[unreal mulch]

@hidden gulch @lucid scroll

Hi

How to download?

Im new

In themes

@cloud quail

[cloud quail]

it's not ready yet i'm gonna clean the project : the folders arrived and it changed the theme quite a bit.

but if you want you can still try : https://github.com/mathiasdotdev/Neo-Zen

this week and next week I will do a pass to fix the bugs that I see

@jade ice we can't create issues on forked projects... rip 😑

instead of starting from a forked project, I will clone the project and start from there

@unreal mulch wait a little bit. i'm gonna work on this project and i'll make an announcement when this is ready to use

[unreal mulch]

......

🤡

A content creator has already taught me how I can put the themes, right now I'm using Neo Zen, I think

@cloud quail

[cloud quail]

This theme has not been maintained since July. I'm taking over the project because its creator can no longer maintain it. It's possible to use this theme, but you'll potentially have bugs.

@unreal mulch I'm using it at the moment but I removed a lot of code that was buggy, especially the split tabs... with Sine it's difficult because you don't control the theme as easily as if you installed it manually.

I'm going to sleep, if you have any questions I'll clone the project tomorrow so you can make issues for me on the github project

[jade ice]

Ok

[quiet flower]

Lacuna 😭

[ocean panther]

if you develop neozen i will use it and report bugs if any

[cloud quail]

@jade ice I have created https://github.com/mathiasdotdev/Neo-Zen...

All of you if you encounter a bug please submit an issue here : https://github.com/mathiasdotdev/Neo-Zen/issues

At first I will correct the functionality "Neo Split Groups" which is bugged because the groups are no longer supported (for the benefit of the Folders)

[jade ice]

Groups can be supported now with ATG...

[feral horizon]

atg doesnt work for me, wont let me create new groups, is that a known issue?

[jade ice]

Reinstall

[feral horizon]

sine?

[jade ice]

ATG.

[feral horizon]

didnt work

[cloud quail]

you mean : https://discord.com/channels/1088172780480114748/1415437425844551785 ?

[jade ice]

Yes

[cloud quail]

ok so you want me to add this to the project like the option for nebula ? or simply redirect to the other project ?

i'm not a fan of adding a lot of projects... i prefer to add each project with sine

[jade ice]

Don't integrate it like Nubulu. Instead, just mention it in Readme.md
Then in preferences.json, that tab group styling pref can be kept off by default and in bracket it can be mentioned as can be used with ATG working...

Just need to figure out how to override ATG styling of Tab Groups to that of NeoZen.

[cloud quail]

ok yeah

i'll try to work on this first

[jade ice]

If overriding won't work, might have to get ATG JS code into NeoZen.

[cloud quail]

we'll see... 😂

[potent frost]

seems like neo zen finally broke with 1.16

totally borked lmfao

the super bright blinding one is 1.16

[cloud quail]

can you make an issue here please : https://github.com/mathiasdotdev/Neo-Zen/issues

so i can track them down to fix them asap

[potent frost]

Later tomorrow. Attempting to sleep rn lmao.

But it may be connected to this.
https://discord.com/channels/1088172780480114748/1419768646305054904

[cloud quail]

It is frustrating with Zen: in each update, nothing works we are forced to have to redo everything from scratch for the themes to work

although it's true we are in beta so everything changes very quickly

[potent frost]

i was about to post the issue bc i forgot yesterday but i realized i don't think it's caused by neo zen. i think zen itself just broke something, bc transparency in zen itself no longer works on the latest version, which i'm pretty sure is what causes it to look fucked up. it looks the same with or without neo zen on.

[feral horizon]

if youre talking about 1.16, transparency still works, at least it is for me

[potent frost]

yeah i am. 1.16 my shit looks like the image on the right

with or without neo zen

looks just fine on 1.15.5 or whatever the version before was

[jade ice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wiggle-shaking-dancing-gif-11762357525050887212

[feral horizon]

i havent used neo zen in a couple updates but im using a mixture of wireframe and zen zero and everything works besides some problems with the url bar when focusing

[potent frost]

idk i noticed colors, possibly transparency, was busted the instant i opened zen lmfao

[feral horizon]

which mr equinox here just pointed out to me ngl

[feral horizon]

i did notice compact sidebar is that firefox purple rn when i set transparency off

[potent frost]

yeah no transparency just doesn't work anymore on 1.16

like with neo zen, the settings menu is supposed to have transparency

it no longer does on 1.16

oh and the URL bar is all fucked, actually

[feral horizon]

yeah the url was a major point of interest in this update

[potent frost]

yeah looks like nebula has the same issue with the transparency

just no worky lmfao

[cloud quail]

which broke everything 😅

[feral horizon]

lmao but isnt that expected at this point with it being in beta and all

[cloud quail]

yeah 😂

It's just that I'm taking over the project and there are too many buggy things that it frustrates me.

[feral horizon]

more work for the hard workin peeps

[cloud quail]

https://tenor.com/view/long-tears-gif-11087877242190144149

[potent frost]

RIP

[feral horizon]

just copy nebulu /j

[potent frost]

if you can't fix it, i guess it'll force me to move on to floorp

finally

but i'll stay on 1.15.5 for a bit longer

[potent frost]

nebulu has this same issue right now anyway lmfao

[feral horizon]

[potent frost]

at least for me

does transparency work for you??

if so, do you have a gradient set or do you just rock default no color?

[feral horizon]

i rock default no color but my accent is white

transparency works either way tho

[potent frost]

weird

it just straight does not work anymore for me

transparent browser is on, it works fine on 1.15.5

[feral horizon]

after installing 1.16 it was working right off the bat

all ive done after is install zen zero through sine for some tweaks

[potent frost]

simply no worky lmfao

[feral horizon]

have you tried running through your mods to see if one is conflicting?

[potent frost]

wouldn't make sense for any of them to be

none of them affect it

[feral horizon]

or using zen transparency mod setting to test if that works

[potent frost]

except neo zen and nebula

[feral horizon]

ahh okay so its only like that when youre using neo or nebula, yeah i assume then that its just the themes conflicting with the new update and itll get worked out sooner or later.

[potent frost]

but why does it work fine for you then lmfao

that's what i'm saying

[feral horizon]

cause im using wireframe and zen zero i assume

[potent frost]

this also does not work

lmfao

[feral horizon]

well damn

[potent frost]

works just fine on 1.15.5

all of it

is zen zero on sine or no

i can try that one

wireframe is on sine

seems to be the same story there tho

[feral horizon]

its sameerasw's github, i installed it manually through sine

also i just checked and my sidebar is still transparent when using neo lol

[potent frost]

yeah it just no worky lmfao

[feral horizon]

must be something in your userchrome idk lol

have you tried a fresh install and a new profile?

[potent frost]

fresh profile with nothing, just enabling transparent browser and transparency for linux, it works

[feral horizon]

huh

its something lol

[potent frost]

lemme try installing sine and neo on that

[feral horizon]

someone in #zeneral just posted the same prob lol

[potent frost]

wait actually i'm stupid

i did not update again

hold

[feral horizon]

[potent frost]

yeah ok it did not work even on a fresh profile lmao

it simply

no worky

correction, it works on a blank profile without any kind of css

but neo and everything still do not have transparency

so something must've changed on the CSS end?

idk man

[next echo]

so I guess this theme is a lost cause now eh

[jade ice]

https://tenor.com/view/sick-cat-awu-cat-gif-15108566974228447707

[cloud quail]

I tried to use https://docs.zen-browser.app/guides/live-editing but nothing worked... 😑

also i don't understand why Zen is lagging, I can't use it more than 1 hour and after that the ram is exponentially increasing

my personnal record : 61 Go

don't ask me how... even me I don't understand how it can allocate 61 Go on my 32 Go of Ram...

and also right now i'm on 2 side projects so i don't have a lot of extra time for this 😭

[silent star]

Hey guys

Anybody here wanted Neo zen to come alive?

[sturdy oyster]

yes ... Miss it.

[cloud quail]

I tried to restore the theme but I can't apply the style (force it to HMR)... I'm getting tired of having to restart the browser 50 times.

I'm now using Arc 2.0 as a replacement 😑

[silent star]

Oh

[silent star]

I will try my best fixing this

[cloud quail]

If you can show me how to apply CSS styles automatically without having to close and reopen the browser each time, I could help and contribute...

[silent star]

I will it is pretty easy just turn off and on the mod that is it

[silent star]

I forked it and named neozen 2.0

[cloud quail]

can you add me (mathiasdotdev)

And how do you select the interface elements? Because I know how to interact with the page, but I don't know how to do it with the browser.

[lunar copper]

This would be amazing, good luck

[jade ice]

@cloud quail Hey, what you doing these days?

[cloud quail]

I work quite a bit on the side, so I don't have any time for myself, and since I couldn't edit it live with the browser, I gave up.

[jade ice]

Oh, well I also got exams here. When you get free, it can be done properly. I'll do the same...

[cloud quail]

I had also forked the project at: https://github.com/mathiasdotdev/Neo-Zen

😂

I haven't made a single commit to it, though.

[lunar copper]

Understandable, this mod was one of my favorites due to how it handed colors and animations as well (mainly before the 1.14 update).
Good luck with the project.

[silent star]

I started commiting so work on mine I will give you contribution access

[silent star]

I fixed some

[silent star]

Hey guys

If you guys tell us what are the issues you guys are facing?

[lunar copper]

The older release had issues with transparency and elements placing. Most probably due to zen browser UI changes:

Bottom section is the findbar positioning, center is the url bar.

[silent star]

Great , I will fix it

[cloud quail]

when you split tabs, each tabs should stack on top of eachother when you hover over them, and return to horizontal split when you move your mouse

idk if i have the animation i'll try to retreive it

This is the last message I've seen mentioning it 😅

The animation is bugged; the tabs should be side by side.

Also, when you press ctrl + t, the style is no longer there since the search bar has been redesigned.

I will create issues for that

so we can track them all

[silent star]

Ya let's do that btw I am sending you the contribution check your emails

[silent star]

Ok great 👍😃

[cloud quail]

I've only listed the ones I remember... there are surely others 😅

[silent star]

I know that we will dive deep when we find it

We got this man

[cloud quail]

done 👍

[silent star]

Check the dm

[cloud quail]

btw do you also want to contibute to the project? When I forked the project, you wanted to participate...

[silent star]

He will but he wants to work on the arc2.0

And I am too

I will be multitasking

[cloud quail]

ooh nice

[cloud quail]

I knew I'd seen that username before 😂

[silent star]

Lol

[next echo]

@hidden gulch May I ask what are u using for this top bar?

[hidden gulch]

on windows, yasb bar

[next echo]

Thank you

[hidden gulch]

forgot to mention, is yasb bar + komorebi

[next echo]

Much appreciated!

[silent star]

We are working on the neozen 2.0 and it is starting to look good guys

[next echo]

can't wait tbh

[next echo]

Any news on when we can use the theme?

[silent star]

Oh ya I think before the end of November

[lunar copper]

Ohh, can we use it now?
I can't wait to try it out!

[silent star]

Oh we didnt work on it because we were busy and I will send the link of the neozen repo and it is still in development

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/battle-cat-air-cat-pilot-cat-cat-war-cat-gif-9888863539466296855

[jade ice]

wdym?

I thought bro was back...

[hidden gulch]

can you tell me all the issues, i mean i see is horrible and transparency is caped to 0.35 so

[hidden gulch]

I mean

i'm back

[jade ice]

About this, you can easily bypass this cap with DWM.

[hidden gulch]

Hmm i don't know how, can you tell me, also i'll add this anyways for other platforms like linux

[jade ice]

Can you join VC?

voice chat

[hidden gulch]

i speak spanish and have a garbage english srry man

[jade ice]

No need for speaking lol, join now.

[jade ice]

Idk why, feels like e.e used every Firefox and its forks, and realized Zen is the best (as it got folders and perfect sidebar).

[silent star]

Lol

[jade ice]

As it was the same for me.

Bro is lurking.

[silent star]

Same for me too since I was using others browser and I missed zen a lot and now I am not going to leave it

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-nuh-no-cat-shake-head-gif-17947965065247170515

i use firefox with sidebery

[jade ice]

Zen Sidebar > Sideberry.

Because Zen Sidebar has blur.

😁

[cloud quail]

check https://github.com/mathiasdotdev/Neo-Zen-2.0

we didn't fix every issues tho

[cloud quail]

what do you want to do on neo zen ? Should you start over with your own project or use the Neo Zen 2.0 GitHub project?

@hidden gulch ?

[cloud quail]

I find Sideberry really lacking in features

[hidden gulch]

A rewrite

[hidden gulch]

I think is usable now

[silent star]

Lets gooo man

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wiggle-shaking-dancing-gif-11762357525050887212

I'll upload everything tomorrow

[silent star]

Great

[jade ice]

Man, did you miss to fix that workspace buttons issue? Or is it unfixable?

Like everything else if perfect, just that is the only thing left.

[hidden gulch]

what issue?

[jade ice]

Workspace button, didn't the further workspace you clicked, the number of workspace butttons reduced?

[hidden gulch]

not a bug is a feature

you will see always 5 workspaces

Zen's autoscroll isn't implemented well, because it doesn't let you change the button size without breaking the system, that's why you'll always see 5 to avoid the autoscroll

[jade ice]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/scl/fi/hjk1ijo7lqycr1i82667v/msedge_crkzX2gbMs.mp4?rlkey=6beoiskr4lgp664g0mknmps4r&dl=0

You see, the moment you click the last workspace button, it number of workspace button visible reduces from 5 to 3.

That's what I am talking about.

[hidden gulch]

oh is not a bug, if there is nothing after the workspace you are, than it won't show more

[jade ice]

Well I mean I am on 5th workspace. Now how do I click on 1st workspace?

[hidden gulch]

disabling this, if you just have 5 workspaces you don't need this mode

[jade ice]

This can only be done if I click on every workspace, i.e., 4th, 3rd, 2nd to end up to the 1st workspace as per the video, right? Like what do you mean by disabling mode?

[hidden gulch]

neo-features-workspace-halo-mode-disabled

with the rule you can disable it

[jade ice]

Btw what TWM you using?

[hidden gulch]

YASB+ komorebic

that's the issue maybe i could add something to disable it with less than 6 workspaces

[hidden gulch]

and to remove the taskbar i use windhawk

[jade ice]

Have you used GlazeWM? Which is better, YASB+ komorebic or GlazeWM?

[hidden gulch]

komorebic developer was working on something similar to niri in windows, so i think will be better komorebic, but ive never used glazewm, people said komorebic is more stable so that's why i decided to install it

[jade ice]

Oh, how to set it up then? @silent star said Komorebic installation is complex, so on laptop I installed GlazeWM like he has.

Now I am looking to try Komorebic on my desktop.

[hidden gulch]

Do this in terminal

winget install LGUG2Z.whkd
komorebic quickstart

To enable autostart

komorebic enable-autostart --whkd

And that's it

if you have yasb bar

no need to do anything else

maybe you will need to exclude brave picture in picture if you use it in the applications.json

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1yECfF7Qyg

[jade ice]

@silent star Bro are you afk?

[silent star]

Hey

what is happening

[jade ice]

Read from here - #1376435879152717874 message

[silent star]

Hmm

So you are about to install komorebi

[jade ice]

Yes, I already have GlazeWM on laptop.

So, I can try Komorebi on desktop.

[silent star]

Great

Try it and lmk

since I didn't even tried that

[ocean panther]

how to remove taskbar, i also use windhawk

[jade ice]

Why remove? Just hide it until you hover. Sometimes, taskbar can be necessary configuring accessiblity options.

[hidden gulch]

you can put everything on yasb

[hidden gulch]

you have taskbar styler?

[jade ice]

Damn, it seems better than GlazeWM functionality. But can one edit shortcuts for tiling apps as per preference?

[hidden gulch]

maybe, i don't know if this file is to set different shortcuts

but i think this is a yasb configuration not a komorebic

[jade ice]

Hmm it seems it can be done! Also one last thing, does it run like a program which has to be set to auto start every boot, or does it do that automatically?

[hidden gulch]

in the try icon you can set to auto start yasb, and with the commands you set the autostart for komorebi

#1376435879152717874 message

[hidden gulch]

Okay now it will be disabled if you don't have more than 6 workspaces

[ocean panther]

i have it

[next echo]

@hidden gulch it is nice seeing you commit again!

Also is it possible to share the style and config file of yasb if you have done any customization on it?

[hidden gulch]

: D thank you i'll be updating it each month after fixing it

[hidden gulch]

I'm using a theme from yasb themes, i customized one but it was laggy

[hidden gulch]

You need tasbar styler, and taskbar height and icon size

[hidden gulch]

Use this in the taskbar styler

{"theme":"","controlStyles[0].target":"Taskbar.TaskbarFrame > Grid#RootGrid > Taskbar.TaskbarBackground > Grid > Rectangle#BackgroundFill","controlStyles[0].styles[0]":"Visibility=Collapsed","styleConstants[0]":"","resourceVariables[0].variableKey":"","resourceVariables[0].value":"","controlStyles[1].target":"Rectangle#BackgroundStroke","controlStyles[1].styles[0]":"Visibility=Collapsed","controlStyles[2].target":"Taskbar.TaskListButton","controlStyles[2].styles[0]":"Visibility=Collapsed","controlStyles[3].target":"SystemTray.OmniButton#NotificationCenterButton","controlStyles[3].styles[0]":"Visibility=Collapsed","controlStyles[4].target":"SystemTray.Stack#ShowDesktopStack","controlStyles[4].styles[0]":"Visibility=Collapsed","controlStyles[5].target":"Grid#SystemTrayFrameGrid","controlStyles[5].styles[0]":"Visibility=Collapsed","controlStyles[6].target":"Taskbar.ExperienceToggleButton#LaunchListButton[AutomationProperties.AutomationId=StartButton]","controlStyles[6].styles[0]":"Visibility=Collapsed"}

And this in the taskbar height

{"TaskbarHeight":2,"IconSize":32,"TaskbarButtonWidth":44,"IconSizeSmall":16,"TaskbarButtonWidthSmall":32}

And, about neo zen, now it will show always 5 workspaces : D, tested with 30 workspaces after 18 it becomes laggy.... hopefully none uses 18 workspaces right..

[next echo]

Barely 3 mate haha

[hidden gulch]

xD

https://github.com/JustVibingWhileCoding/Neo-Zen/releases/tag/V2.1.0

be happy

maybe it has some bugs

[next echo]

Thank you for the time and efforts

[next echo]

looking nice man

[hidden gulch]

you can set a color with the theme picker, the colors should addapt to the mode you select

[next echo]

yeah I played around with it a bit, it is really awesome

[hidden gulch]

Next month maybe I'll release the rewrite, i'll try to use less code

[next echo]

Much appreciated man

[hidden gulch]

[ocean panther]

and can you share your config yasb

[cloud quail]

I've openned an issue : https://github.com/JustVibingWhileCoding/Neo-Zen/issues/19

idk if it's still open

[hidden gulch]

Is a theme from yasb right clic in the system try and clic on get themes, im not on my pc , i cant send the yasb files

[hidden gulch]

I removed the split tabs feature

In the v3 ill include it again

[jade ice]

@hidden gulch Do you want free two weeks nitro trial?

[ocean panther]

yeah

[hidden gulch]

lol yeah why not

[jade ice]

Ok

[frigid echo]

Will Neo zen someday support pinned extensions?

[jade ice]

You can install it separately.

[hidden gulch]

Nope, neo zen uses the footer area as your extensions area also you can keep it expanded like the pinned extensions

[jade ice]

@hidden gulch Bro sidebar isn't becoming blurred.

Like it's clear.

In some cases.

[hidden gulch]

what version?

[jade ice]

latest

@hidden gulch https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/scl/fi/5rcnqwlr3vt79ogdq849g/explorer_Ghs9wy6XSy.mp4?rlkey=0xqa6q5jzlycx7rtf3okaruhv&dl=0

In earlier version before it broke, transparency worked on transparent website bg as well with pseudo bg.
Like it is with URL Bar

[hidden gulch]

boff bro his "auto theme" """""feature""""" is awful

[hidden gulch]

ok only sidebar is the problem?

[jade ice]

Yup, well you can check if there is anything else. I had problems with DWMGlassBlur so I thought it was my issue. But even after fixing that it persists.

[hidden gulch]

It is a neo zen's issue, happens to me after updating

[jade ice]

Mauro is still working on setting automatic contrast on certain complex overlay elements.

[hidden gulch]

better if he doesn't

[jade ice]

Tell that to him in #zeneral and he'll consider it!

[hidden gulch]

Nah we know what will happen if there is something i don't like again ill stop again

[frigid echo]

How?

[jade ice]

By separately, I meant it can't be used with Neo Zen due to reasons e.e stated.

[frigid echo]

Yeah, but what mod or css is? Mm

[jade ice]

If you really wanna use it so much with a theme, install Sine and get Arc2.0.

Though NeoZen looks better.

[frigid echo]

It looks like this with arc theme xd

Nevermind, I found the issue

[frigid echo]

Btw, how can I do this? I change the color, but it change the whole sidebar, no the neon lines

[hidden gulch]

set the opacity to the lowest value

[frigid echo]

Nope, maybe is another thing?

[jade ice]

Damn, you merged two themes!

[frigid echo]

Isn't that bad, is better with Nebula instead of Arc

[jade ice]

Ooh, nice!

The CSS conflicts there are going to be though.

Will cause performance issues fs.

[frigid echo]

Maybe, I would stick with Neo, but I like the pin extension features

[jade ice]

Just add it where you hover on workspace name!

[frigid echo]

Can you explain?

[jade ice]

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/scl/fi/etd4bleqrnrc0xzpzijs1/explorer_rxZ1CiBV4b.mp4?rlkey=wiyo8jrr4ovf4drzmblfdfpro&dl=0

[frigid echo]

Oh I see

Looks cool, but I like them in the top

Still not too much perfomance issue, btw

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-cat-kitty-sleepy-tired-gif-9176539601255345484

why is it laggy now.... nothing changed just the moz-prefs

Before:

@media (-moz-pref("zen.view.compact.hide-toolbar")) {

}

After:

@media -moz-pref('zen.view.compact.hide-tabbar') or -moz-pref('zen.view.use-single-toolbar') {
}

[jade ice]

Also check URL Bar.

[hidden gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/alre-cat-sad-mirror-in-at-the-corner-white-alre-cat-sad-sad-cat-kucing-sedih-kucing-nangis-gif-11129703725568140779

[jade ice]

Damn alright, no need to check URL Bar.

[hidden gulch]

already checked it i know is broken too T_T

also collapsed mode is broken again

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scream-cat-rage-gif-8639900204413677493

[silent star]

Dammn now neozen is great

[frigid echo]

Mind you, what is that bar in the top? Is from the page?

[cloud quail]

what is this square (the big one) at the top ?

the search bar?

[jade ice]

If it's too much to maintain this mode, don't prioritize it. I've also left it to be fixed on arc2.0 after my exam ends.

[hidden gulch]

the bar with the windows button?

[hidden gulch]

I think is the indicator

it is in the wrong place

[hidden gulch]

The waste of time with themes on zen browser is actually the sidebar animations and blur, zen changes how blur works on each update and now it has its own "acrylic" mode which could be used and override, but now the pseudo background causes some lag, also i tried to remake the part of the footer area..... the new code now doesn't works anymore..... but the old one does.....

I'll update it in the next major update, waste of time if he brings back again other things and all the new css stop working

If some one knows how to fix it and wants to help could be great

Also i know that the main issue with neo zen to maintain is the repetitive code with no comments, that's why i was trying to update Neo-Features first but the new code doesn't works now.... :c

Maybe the solution could be split neo zen into mods

[frigid echo]

Yup

[hidden gulch]

it's yasb reborn, it's a bar for windows that imitates the waybar from linux/hyprland

[frigid echo]

Oh cool, gonna check it out

[hidden gulch]

if you want to get the same tiling behavior than hyprland install komorebi too

[dusty oar]

Why is there a margin when sidebar is on the right side?

[hidden gulch]

because i forgot to set the navigator toolbox size