iron ocean
OK I am just going to assume these are bugs since I did not get a response on my suggestion post here https://discord.com/channels/1087728082087051376/1491167765514551606
Bug: Animal attacks completely ignore armor.
Bug: Hunters often do not switch to melee weapons when attacked by Boar.
Bug: Hunters when switching to melee weapons sometime just attack the air above the boar and do not hit it.
Please let me know if you want me to gather more information or testing. I am happy to help.
mighty sable
Thanks ill look into
iron ocean
I'm doing some more testing with different weapons. I'm not sure how many I have the patience to test, but I will post the results here.
Testing is being done with An Ash Bow and Sturdy Arrows, using my new hunter with 4 Strength, 6 Agil, 5 one-handed, and 7 archery.
iron ocean
So I have Identified a pattern. There is three options the Boar AI will choose:
Rare: The boar does not charge the hunter. It instead walks towards it's target. This allows the hunter to kill it with two bow shots.
Common: The boar charges after getting shot. It will melee attack 1 to 3 times before "running around in a circle". It will repeat this every time it lands 1 to 3 hits OR if the hunter manages to hit it once with melee. This gives the hunter 50/50 odds of winning.
Common: The boar charges after getting shot. It melee attacks and doesn't stop until the hunter is dead. As soon as I notice that the boar is doing this, the hunter has yet to win. It just stun locks the hunter, even with the fastest weapon.
Here is an example of when the Boar does Option #3. The hunter has no chance if it picks this option.
Here are my results. I can't do anymore.
I just don't understand how more people aren't upset about this? Does nobody use hunters?
rigid stratus
Oh hunters do get injured quite a lot. I think I even lost some settlers due to that.
Gets less of an issue when every hunter has ranged at least 7 or mostly 8 and use at least yew bow with sturdy arrows.
Still it's a huge pain point, as boar hunting is quite important: it's the only good source for fur... Not sure though: perhaps it's even intentional: you could try to optimize hunting by going for foxes only in the beginning, make sure you are in an area with not too many boars and switch to boars once you get better archers?
Recently the injuries due to mostly boars where really crazy. Also seemed to like it was a preview branch thing... But I feel for me it's hard to really pin point the cause... Is it intentional? Are there other ways to get fur?
But also: you can never really avoid boars, they will be encountered even when hunting other animals...
iron ocean
Oh hunters do get injured quite a lot. I think I even lost some settlers due to ...
I said above (It's a bit of a mess);
Testing is being done with An Ash Bow and Sturdy Arrows, using my new hunter with 4 Strength, 6 Agil, 5 one-handed, and 7 archery.
So that should be able to handle any boar you would think no? But it seems to have the same odds as when I had a 3 agil/5 archery hunter with an elm bow and simple arrows.
It simply comes down to those three scenarios I listed. The villager's stats and gear are almost a moot point.
rigid stratus
Oh wow, right considering that it definitely stops making sense... Bc: there seems to be basically no way to do it right.
You are so super limited when it comes to hunting: no melee weapons, no crossbows, can't give hunters separately combat-food or medicine to heal themselves...
iron ocean
It just seems so odd to me, if you look online, everyone has advice for what to do... But literally NONE of it works on public or preview branch. It's just insanity.
rigid stratus
I guess you are right. I also just noticed A LOT of injuries recently but hadn't the time to test in depth like you did
So the biggest issue simply seems to be the boar attack pattern. If you want to pinpoint a bug here
...even using a sneaky dagger (which is quite the dedication just for hunting) is not giving you a 100% chance. But choosing this most optimal setup for a hunter should do that
rigid stratus
Oh but what I also find associated with injured hunters is just this setup: a group of boars together. My hunter in this case was surrounded by 4 boars this time. Still: it seems like these cases are rare and a lower part of hunter deaths, but oc: if a hunter runs into this a death is 100% unavoidable...
assigning NPCs as hunters means one thing: you should not expect to use them for your army
iron ocean
Oh but what I also find associated with injured hunters is just this setup: a gr...
yeah there is a spot early game by Padstow that can spawn two boar together at the same time. That spot alone has been the single spot responsible for the most injuries to hunters and caravans in my playthroughs because of how broken boars are.
(also probably responsible for most of my deaths as a new player. Very frustrating deaths)
rigid stratus
yeah so I really wonder on how hunting is supposed to work..
iron ocean
I am 100% confident that boars are broken and need to have their attack speed turned down.
It should be a very very easy fix. It is just a variable. One number. (if it is not then that would be crazy)
The animation doesn't need to change, the damage doesn't need to change. Just the time between attacking.
rigid stratus
or just so that they never continue more than max 3 repeats of their quick attack
iron ocean
BUT... I would be better if they just made them do more charging and running around. That would be a higher quality fix.
iron ocean
or just so that they never continue more than max 3 repeats of their quick attac...
exactly
Also, (it's a little bit off-subject); Why do games always make hunting reward more damage for head shots? Anyone that knows even a tiny bit about hunting knows that you aim for the heart.
Infact, you almost never go for headshots because even with bullets, most animals have very thick skulls.
ESPECIALLY with arrow hunting.
rigid stratus
Just watched a 1 person caravan: he was running into 5 wolves and a boar. He was "oh my some vermin". He put his cart aside and stuck them down easily one by one... That just feels super strange when compared to hunter's with basically identical self self protect gear 😅
iron ocean
Just watched a 1 person caravan: he was running into 5 wolves and a boar. He was...
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