I'm trying to hook my drums up through USB. I add player and hit each pad to assign them. when I go into a song I can hit each pad once and it registers but if I hit them after that one time nothing registers. I was using the adapter for RB4 but had some issues with a few pads so that's why I'm trying straight USB hookup.
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fallow pebble
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can you post a screenshot of what a MIDI monitor such as https://www.midimonitor.com/ shows whenever you hit a pad?
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When I click on the link my kit shows up but when I hit a pad nothing happens.
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make sure to close YARG beforehand if you're on Windows
Windows only allows one program to access a MIDI device at a time
fallow pebble
My kit is showing up as output not input.
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I figured it out. one minute.
I hit each pad
Do I need to go into the drum module and set each pad to a different number?
rain roost
note off events dont seem to be sent at all by the drum module
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yeah, what the heck lol
rain roost
@bronze pendant i'm just eyeballing/guessing, but the game probably doesnt accept overlapping notes (it waits for the note off before reading the same note again)
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yeah it's waiting for the note off
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the MIDI backend doesn't account for this
quiet harness
I don"t know about any of this lol.
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man, how do you cheap out this badly on a MIDI device
rain roost
man, how do you cheap out *this* badly on a MIDI device
lol its a strike, its not a cheap one at all
i know you mean alesis cheaping out and not the consumer
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i'm quite sure this'll break other software too
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DAWs absolutely would, without the note off then notes would last forever until the next one of the same number came in
rain roost
alesis despite their fame, theyre not a small brand and the strike is their flagship kit, i strongly doubt they'd release it with such a glaring issue if it was one (though its not impossible lol)
rain roost
DAWs absolutely would, without the note off then notes would last forever until ...
ah i meant for drums only
saying only "VSTs" would've been more accurate
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ah i meant for drums only
even then, MIDI doesn't provide any way of identifying what type of device something is afaik, this would require a setting that the user has to enable manually
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i'm just baffled lol, it's not that hard to just send the note off
there's no reason not to
rain roost
even if it does, its not immune to problems
rain roost
https://discord.com/channels/1086048856678084609/1120812058775142451
hence this
this is also "overlapping notes" issue
rain roost
that dude's drum is a yamaha (albeit an entry level kit)
of course, it's not impossible that they'd make a mistake
but given that they expect their stuff to be used with VSTs
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that's the problem
rain roost
i'm fairly certain they'd test that kind of stuff
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MIDI is a universal standard
it's supposed to work with everything that supports it
but these are just blatantly breaking the protocol
and it irks me lol
rain roost
fair enough
i can see them cutting some corners to ensure lower latency to the player though
not saying it's the right decision though
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sending another message adds mere microseconds of latency at the absolute worst
it's just lazy
rain roost
nonetheless, as per the other dude's report, his drums work on CH
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CH also tailors its MIDI support for drums only, so they probably already only check for note ons
fallow pebble
They work on phase shift also
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but our support is much more generic
rain roost
i see, being meant to work with pro keys eventually
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and working around this will be pretty hacky as a result
rain roost
would accepting overlapping notes possibly break pro keys?
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Is it maybe something wrong I did on my end?
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Is it maybe something wrong I did on my end?
unless there's a setting in the kit that affects this, no
it's just a firmware flaw
rain roost
that both CH and PS support lol
YARG is probably going to have to go that route as well at some point
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would accepting overlapping notes possibly break pro keys?
no, keyboards should be immune to this problem by design
fallow pebble
Could I update my Module?
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no, keyboards should be immune to this problem by design
their note ons and offs are directly controlled by the key presses/releases
rain roost
yeah but i'm assuming some note off being lost in some fucked up midi jitter or something
some weird edge case scenario like that
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Could I update my Module?
depends, you can check the manufacturer website and see if they have anything
if not, then you'll just have to wait
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some weird edge case scenario like that
as long as all input events are processed in order (which they currently are), it should be fine
fallow pebble
ok might have to do that. Not sure if I have the time today though.
lone drum
I'd send an email to Alesis Support and ask about this
fallow pebble
Thanks. I'm updating my module right now. It might not fix anything but is worth a try.
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Unfortunately module Firmware update didn't fix anything. I have no idea what Id even ask Alesis Support. I'm not to knowledgeable about ekits and midi.
Not sure how relevant this is but when I'm on the morningstar midi monitor it says channel 1. it says channel 0 in game.
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that's not important, the MIDI monitor starts counting them from 1 while YARG starts from 0
fallow pebble
ok guess I'll keep using my RB4 drum adapter for now. Hopfully this can get worked out eventually.