It is a very important topic in the field to think about & discuss, and the current lack of such a place to do it herein means that every other channel in this server d/evolves into such... This disperses the ethics discussion content and makes every other channel less useful, which obviously / understandably increases contention server-wide. Thanks for considering it!
#ai-ethics channel, please 🙏
boreal terrace
torn garnet
I fear that will lead to ethics getting misperceived as something separate, & remove it from the other discussions, leaving people to feel like they can pretend to discuss Bard without having to consider any of the ethical issues inherent in it & all the LLMs
boreal terrace
I hear what you're saying, and am sympathetic to your argument, but I don't think that fostering discussion of a particular topic is worth the headaches it's causing
I mean... ethics is a separate thing from the other discussions, at least meeting the threshold of the separateness of the other channels here. If everything is flattened for the sake of provoking discourse, then we should really only have just one big channel, and that's not viable
And, in any case, if people want to avoid that discussion, they'll find a way, no matter what kind of contrivances might be used to force them to eat their vegetables.. 😅 At the end of the day, hella nerds just have no appetite for such subjects, and I have not seen evidence that foisting it on them nonetheless improves their appetite 🤷♂️
... in any case, it's not up to either of us; we'll see what happens
torn garnet
People with "no appetite" for ethics are precisely the people who need to see the discourse
boreal terrace
🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ you can't force people to be sensitive to things they're insensitive to, ime
no matter how beneficial / preferable it might be, from certain perspectives
torn garnet
They can pretend to be insensitive if they like but hiding the discourse from them definitely doesn't help. I've spent a lot of time working in tech & the people who "have no appetite for ethics" are usually people who perfectly well understand ethics, they just don't like to be reminded of unethical behavior
But this project desperately needs to keep ethics in the forefront, & letting the main channels become places without any discussion of ethics would be a gross mistake
boreal terrace
So, in the meantime, the rest of us have to suffer so that you can spam the intransigents whose secret minds you magically know with your re-education program?
I'm all for being a gadfly, but I think you've confused yourself with a Bard program lead or server mod..
Do you support any / everybody on here hijacking all channels to promote their personal hobbyhorse, or is it only you & yours where the ends justify the means? A perfect example of good intentions leading to bad outcomes 🙄
torn garnet
What "suffering" is happening, sorry?
torn garnet
Do you support any / everybody on here hijacking all channels to promote their p...
We did have a rather lengthy discussion about your hobby a few days ago, if you will recall...
boreal terrace
Lol, that was one time in one channel and my #🤪┊off-topic content was channel appropriate...
also, the only reason it went on so long is because you wanted to antagonistically interrogate me about it
boreal terrace
What "suffering" is happening, sorry?
you must not be aware of the impact of your activities on here...
copper zinc
you must not be aware of the impact of your activities on here...
I believe Quacky was asking for a clarification on and specification of the nature of such suffering
boreal terrace
I believe Quacky was asking for a clarification on and specification of the natu...
Cool!
worldly panther
ai-ethics opt in only channel 👍🏻
worldly panther
Preventing that from becoming a degenerate battle ground with 0 productivity is probably why it wont happen.
midnight cloud
Ethics is a tremendously important subject covering virtually every aspect of AI development, such as proper uses of the chatbot and what information the chatbot may, or may not provide. It goes way beyond staments like "speak niocely" and Asimov's Laws. We probably should jave a separate discussion dealing exclusively with ethics so that it can be in depth and consider all the areas where ehtical behavior applies. Once there has been a general agreement (if that's possible) the subject might be allowed to spread throughout the group. Yes, it could become a degenerate battle - ground. but if enough people with genuine concerns join the discussion it might produce something useful and even (dare I say it?) far reaching. After all, the current entertainment industry strikes are largely over the ethics of compensation and use of images.
midnight cloud
I'd like to add to what I've already written. Traditrional ethics were simply a set of rules which might be as simple as the Ten Commandments or the Code of Hammurabi. However, the current belief is that Situational ethics, where each issue must be judged on its own merits. This, of course, provides more work for professional ethicists, and it also calls for a large number of quick decisions. Implementing this type of ethical behavior will be a challenge for the programmers sd well as the trainers. At the very least there should be a discussion, by interested parties, about what types of situations might require this level of judement, after the questions are asked it would be reasonable to disband the dedicated discussion and open it up to everyone to figure how the decision making process can and should be implemented.