We often crave for more planets (wocfmp)

[unkempt oriole]

Wocfme

[unkempt oriole]

well I did make a "Intersellar" class Engine already but Fuel for that is gonna suck.

[quasi warren]

oh yeah is it possible at all to make different fuel types

[unkempt oriole]

YEAH

else i wouldnt be making RPE ngl

[quasi warren]

banana fuel

[unkempt oriole]

and Fuel switch is also real and is going to be invluded in Redux SDK from what I know

[quasi warren]

hope so tbf

well i know what i'm doing during school

[quasi warren]

KSP2 AS ONE OF MY CODING CLASSES

LMAOOOOOOOOOO

[native gate]

Damn these are gonna be hard to answer then

[quasi warren]

"what ideas do you have to improve it" i wonder

[quasi warren]

i got the weird skybox bug again, but an opportunity to see what planets look like without a skybox

so anyway, i decided i want to release the corsi system relatively early
i just watched the celestial bodies dev blog video for ksp2 and decided I may want to work on the textures more to make them more ksp2ish less than too realistic
so that being said I'm planning on releasing wocfmp 0.2.0a

[quasi warren]

now to wait for spacedock to have it uploaded

[quasi warren]

spacedock doesn't like 1.2Gb files so it's gonna be put up on github instead

note this is 0.2.0 [alpha] and I'm releasing it for proper feedback on future systems and the proper release of 0.2

it'll be up sometime today when I work out how to upload stuff to github

[cloud imp]

[cloud imp]

May we havethe github link?

[quasi warren]

haven't made it public quite yet

[cloud imp]

oh :(

[cloud imp]

is it 2.0a time yet?

[quasi warren]

lowkey just got home, so soonish

[cloud imp]

I NEED ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[quasi warren]

Im setting git up now

https://github.com/cadenfrog/we-often-crave-for-more-planets?tab=readme-ov-file

i dont know if you can access it

unfinished page i will note

[cloud imp]

I cant

[quasi warren]

ok yeah ik why now

its public now

[cloud imp]

um

Where did it go? Did it go the way of Dres

[quasi warren]

i did say

unfinished

[cloud imp]

(I might be WAY TO EXICTED)

[quasi warren]

#1348167683643936838 message

[quasi warren]

I would like to have some feedback if possible for this release just to know what the community wants

it will help tons with the beta release of 0.2 and then the actual release

also the beta release is intended to be testing some cooler things I'm planning

ahem engines

[cloud imp]

uh Utal got a line on it

oh panns got 4Gs of gravity IM STILL GONNA LAND ON IT

[quasi warren]

thank you for pointing that out

[cloud imp]

I DID IT

i did use cheats tho for infintie fuel

[dense crest]

@quasi warren what bodies are in it so far?

[cloud imp]

You can download it now

[unkempt oriole]

0.2 is out rn isn't it ?

[dense crest]

i can't run KSP2 bc my setup is in storage

[cloud imp]

Sab :(

[dense crest]

as in the SAAB Draken, Swedish fighter-interceptor capable of flying nearly 1,200 knots per hour, and the first aircraft to complete the famous cobra maneuver?

[cloud imp]

Damn that thing slow i can easily make a jet go 1300m/s in ksp

[dense crest]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[cloud imp]

Could we have a gas giant with oxygen?

[quasi warren]

when atmospheres exist then yes

• i will note that a breathable gas giant has been planned for a bit

[cloud imp]

Is there a gas giant with genoxy

[quasi warren]

what on earth is genoxy

[cloud imp]

off brand oxygen

[quasi warren]

no

[cloud imp]

[dense crest]

damn it

now if i stole that idea i would look unoriginal

[quasi warren]

I mean you can still use that idea lmao

the license on wocfmp doesnt say anything about oxygenated gas giants

[quasi warren]

horray

[dense crest]

i would still look unoriginal

[native gate]

shaw

[cloud imp]

Then use Genoxy

[dense crest]

tf is that

[cloud imp]

Off brand oxygen

[dense crest]

https://tenor.com/view/wish-dot-com-website-gif-22784278

[quasi warren]

sherma my favourite

https://tenor.com/view/sherma-hollow-knight-hollow-knight-silksong-my-beloved-my-beloved-meme-gif-25724064

[quasi warren]

engine tomfoolery

this is planned to release with 0.2 i will note

just to make it easier to get to other star systems from kerbol

@unkempt oriole, does thou have time to texture engine

[unkempt oriole]

If thee can send the .blend or .fbx ?

[quasi warren]

i haveth sent the files to your dms

[viscid wave]

Why art thou talking in the tongue of old?

[quasi warren]

this isnt a wocfmp teaser but im doing some testing for planetary creation through unity

i understand stellated's pain of atmospheres

they're not easy

[dense crest]

oh no

not unity

i've had bad experiences with them

0/10 would not reccomend

but do what you have to do

i like to stay out of unity as long as possible

i dread the day i have to re-download it

[quasi warren]

alot

[cloud imp]

Panns spotted

[quasi warren]

I have a job interview tomorrow (employment arc begins), no clue how this will affect progress of wocfmp if i manage to succeed

worst bit is its a group interview 😭

[native gate]

fitting

[dense crest]

ooooh where you working?

[quasi warren]

an australian dollar store equivalent

[dense crest]

as an american

that sounds hype

of course

it wouldn't be the same for you

[quasi warren]

nope

[dense crest]

but i would love to work there

[quasi warren]

its just a store but everything is cheaper

[dense crest]

so whats the rates? ten vegemite bottles per hour?

[quasi warren]

but im doing it as a seasonal position so from hallowen-christmas

[quasi warren]

depends
likely $18-23 AUD per hour

dont know what that is in USD

but i differs as i only turned 16 not too long ago

so idk the pay rate

[dense crest]

woah thats actually really good

even at 18

[quasi warren]

this is if i get the job

[dense crest]

dollar stores here are probably more like 8-10 an hour

[dense crest]

you could buy a wallabee

[quasi warren]

id probably save for something more to benefit my future lmao

[dense crest]

like a ute?

[quasi warren]

this is very australian

[dense crest]

life supply of shrimp for your barbie?

[quasi warren]

no more uni fees

[dense crest]

you guys pay for your unicorns????

[quasi warren]

university you gob

[dense crest]

wow

never been called a gob before

new experience

btw

you wouldn't happen to live in sydney, would you?

[quasi warren]

no

[dense crest]

https://tenor.com/view/petty-parker-smoke-snoop-dogg-homer-simpson-disappear-gif-17093677

[quasi warren]

• its too humid

[dense crest]

oh so you dont have lung cancer

[dense crest]

so i'm assuming you have never been to the deep south mid summer?

its so humid you could swim

[quasi warren]

how hot did it get

not in freedom units pls

i dont know how to read that

[dense crest]

idk this year but usually up to 107

[dense crest]

dammit

gimme a sec

[quasi warren]

107 degrees Celsius is wild

[quasi warren]

lmao

[dense crest]

with up to 100% humidity

[quasi warren]

bro hasnt experienced australian weather

trust me, its worse down here in summer

nearly 50 degree weather and also high humidity levels

depending on the time of day

[dense crest]

i'm not trying to claim that title, just saying the weather sucks here too

least you guys have better animals (albeit they all want to watch the world burn)

[quasi warren]

drop bears exist

koalas but they drop on your head from gum trees

you dont wanna mess with those

[dense crest]

oooohhh

i know

when i was little my dad used to tell me about them

scared the shit outta me

[quasi warren]

this hasnt been fun to do

I tell you this, the things you need to do for making the planets have collision and whatnot

its just not fun

so KSP2's proper biome maps

god damn

i've discovered how you can make discoverables

[quasi warren]

the monolith

[unkempt oriole]

Yoooo let's go

Good sir if you want I can try my sculpting skills for some detail ?

[quasi warren]

no its okay, doing this for test purposes

the kluetholith

[quasi warren]

casually looking for LUT's with atmospheres

[quasi warren]

so i now know why Eeloo has that shiny effect from scaled space

its because theres a seperate texture called a Packed Texture which utilises Height, Biome and Specular mixed together as an RGBA image

A is used for Ocean masks

@atomic birch, could this at all be implemented as a planety thing??

[dense crest]

HHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllll yeahhh

[dense crest]

could you give a breakdown?

[quasi warren]

Pqs things within the planet has an option for discoverables

I haven't fully got the planet working quite yet though, only making small progress

[dense crest]

cool

[quasi warren]

i got something, though tons of errors

so not as much properly working quite yet

[quasi warren]

my employment arc begins

i have a job

[dense crest]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-8593213374087197675

[dense crest]

aussie dollar store?

[quasi warren]

yees

[dense crest]

good job man

do you have plans for a real carrer or are you just gonna work your way up to manager at the dollar store?

[quasi warren]

yes i have actual career plans

[dense crest]

https://tenor.com/view/based-gigachad-chad-gif-23901955

[quasi warren]

back to school soonish, though i've started implementing a bit of wocfmp development into one of my school assignments (primarily the atmospheres)

progress will be posted soonish

[quasi warren]

small update - progress on atmosphere LUT's are still going strong, doing a shit ton of research into everything i can find about Precomputed Atmospheric Scattering
few unity projects ive pulled of github were looked into but im still working out wtf im exactly trying to find to extract the LUT's

[dense crest]

so you are doing the atmosphere scattering outside of planety?

[quasi warren]

if I can create wocfmp through unity yes

[quasi warren]

afaik this github link is very similar to ksp2's LUTManager potenetially
https://github.com/yangrc1234/AtmosphereScatter

i'm yet to properly look at it but it uses the LutManager for DontDestroyOnLoad and whatnot as well attaches it to camera properties or smthing like that, not sure how i can extract the LUT assets so far though

My main goal is to find something I can use or create to create LUT's from certain atmospheric properties whether a planets colour is red or green or blue or purple (really depends).

If anyone is willing to help contribute that would be splendid, that is if they have knowledge on c# or c++

[quasi warren]

note that 0.2.0 is still aimed to release this year, if not then January 2026

[quasi warren]

ah splendid, 5 votes on it being a mod

noting i may need to work out how the hell i turn this into a mod
on top of working out orbital characteristics and whatnot

this would probably be developed better on a redux sdk

[quasi warren]

perhaps something??

• yet to test

ok ok i might've found it

im not 100% sure yet

[quasi warren]

I have a main idea of working out how to create Gas Giants first - then rocky worlds and then stars

so far gas giants are probably the easist bc of the lack of collision

[quasi warren]

mmm back to the drawing board

[quasi warren]

Created corsi through unity, now to just work out how to add it ingame

probably gonna be an absolute hell hole to do

[quasi warren]

General update what i did today -
now know how the hell you can add addressables to ksp2 from unity
textures on scala have been put into proper formatting

though running the planet into worldvis through PqsVisSetup - still shits itself and the game in general doesnt like it either

clearly something pqs related ive done wrong

[viscid wave]

I am back from the void

[quasi warren]

To help with planetary development through unity (once i've worked out how to make everything)
I will be creating a full fletched guide + templates to use with both worldvis and reduxsdk

[quasi warren]

welcome back

[quasi warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1323174758497517680/1428674819825733692/our_brains_are_shrinking_by_oriolesfan1949_dk614ll-pre.gif

[crimson egret]

[dense crest]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[quasi warren]

Currently what I need to work out is pqs issues with rocky worlds
at the moment I'm doing gas giant experimentation so that does mean atmospheres may have an appearance soon

[viscid wave]

Finally, atmospheres.

[quasi warren]

blessed image

[quasi warren]

no way an actual image of what a 3d texture of scattering looks like

Kerbin one

eve one

Duna one

[quasi warren]

AHA IM NEARLY THERE

[cloud imp]

Keep cooking

[quasi warren]

once all generated i need to convert these files into certain image files
theres a bit in the git repo i used (https://ebruneton.github.io/precomputed_atmospheric_scattering/) for changing the thickenss and allthat for atmosphere models

so i can say we are closer than ever hopefully to a proper atmosphere

well fuck

nearly had it

Windows subsystem linux didnt handle it

i may need to do an impractical method to atmosphere creation by creating a shit ton of multiple atmosphere LUT presets for people to use

• drop me a list of atmospheres to make
  example;
  Dark blue atmosphere, relatively thick and foggy

[quasi warren]

switched over to linux to see if this helps

[crimson egret]

greenish blue? thicc i think something like ovin

[quasi warren]

just give me a list of atmospheres to give for cyfte

[crimson egret]

foggy blu

dark blu

and blu thats a bit purpur too

debdeb is just all shades of blue

[quasi warren]

can do

[quasi warren]

turns out it was already generated lmao

just trying to show me the look of it through a gui which completely broke

im ashamed of using chatgpt to turn this into .exr's but i had no other choice otherwise

i ended up using tifs instead
the .dat's have wayy to high of a resolution

[quasi warren]

both 2d images do NOT look correct

lmaoo

i'll see if i get the atmosphere visible or smthing

i mean heres both transmittance and irradiance with default settings

so earth set measurements

[quasi warren]

I keep forgetting to document this on my google docs since i turned this into an assignment, but my teacher wants it to be put on a website people can play through python

which isnt possible to do with both c++ and c# programs

I'd need to work out wtf to do for turning a silly precomputed atmosphere and all that into a small program for a silly assignment

this is going to be hell

[undone spear]

finding ways to fit ksp2 modding into school is true dedication

i may or may not submit my drafts for wocfmp music in my music theory class

[quasi warren]

genius

i ended up breaking worldvis on accident

[quasi warren]

found this public static readonly string OUTER_ATMOSPHERE_PATH = "Assets/Packages/Space Graphics Toolkit/Features/Shared/Media/Geosphere40.dae";

they did use SGT for atmospheres

[quasi warren]

gonna keep tweaking with the atmosphere LUT's for now but I'm hoping I can get something not absolutely broken

might try converting to png instead of tiff with the exact dimensions I need for each

after I fix worldvis lmao

[quasi warren]

more info to take in

[quasi warren]

apparently the textures for atmospheres generate themselves...
im speculative on this but this is intriguing information

[quasi warren]

made a discord server - server icon

server isnt ready yet though, maybe more near future?
dunno yet

[crimson egret]

nice

[dense crest]

https://tenor.com/view/muahaha-evil-laugh-evil-laugh-futurama-gif-4133163

@quasi warren why did your pfp

https://tenor.com/view/thousand-yard-stare-gif-10746928938784565944

[crimson egret]

peak pfp

[unkempt oriole]

Isn't it the same thing just a different angle ?

Or am I tweaking

[dense crest]

thats the joke

[unkempt oriole]

peak omg

[quasi warren]

lmaooo

exactly what it did

Sooo noting atmospheres, they may take much longer to finish than I anticipated.

I am gonna go through the painful route of turning the files I have into something unity can read and then suffer to turn a bunch of 2d textures into a 3d texture

[quasi warren]

adding onto this I believe some kind of faster method to get out atmospheres can be a bit of contributions open, who would be willing to help out with atmospheres; I'll help out with any unity problems or stuff like that.

(you will need WorldVis Dev Branch and Ebruneton-Atmospheric-Scattering both on github)

[cloud imp]

can we also see Laythe's?

[quasi warren]

pausing atmosphere stuff for a bit, I gotta lock in for a bit on school before I go back to wocfmp development

so estimated mid november is when I'll pick up where I left off

[quasi warren]

this is a small wocfmp update - I'm planning on pushing back 0.2 for now bc I'd like to fully work out how the hell I port everything to unity first
I think the plan is when ReduxSDK releases I can externally port planety towards the project and add the fully furnished things from that

HOWEVER from testing I can see that creating stars in unity aren't actually as painful as you'd think and the main goal will be to add all current stars planned to be added (they will have different sunflares luckily); and then build off from there

the plan roughly

8 star systems (excluding Nese because its more of a planned star for a future updatre)

[dense crest]

borgel is a great name

[quasi warren]

Hey everyone another small update from me in terms of how development this year will go with wocfmp..
During November i'll likely be looking into more unity stuff and creating planetary templates to publish eventually along with a guide for people to follow
during the last half of November I may look into finally porting many wocfmp planets over If I manage to get this far; whilst atmospheres may be subjected to be a final bit towards the release of 0.2 (estimated early 2026)

Adding onto this I will be revamping the look of most planets to a more ksp2 like style to fit in with the feel of the game.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated - but I'm also looking for some people who'd like to help out on the wocfmp project

right now this years road map has been
#- October (Now)
mostly star development and a bit of tomfooler within unity
#- November
somewhat further planetary stuff and whatnot
#- December-Feb
hopefully ReduxSDK releases by this period but essentially this might end up speeding up the progress of wocfmp

[hollow fox]

Nitra is a town i live pretty close to

[quasi warren]

wocfmp development is a bit slowish recently mainly bc of trying to balance work and school life

so yes this will likely go at a much slower rate however it doesn't mean I'm considering giving up on it

[quasi warren]

btw im on the redux team which is also why

[undone spear]

Is this part of redux now?

[unkempt oriole]

Atmospheres yep

[undone spear]

I should probably lock in on the soundtrack then

[unkempt oriole]

And I on parts

[undone spear]

The faster we do that, the quicker redux happens

I also finally got my drum kit back

[quasi warren]

ehhh not a project affiliated with redux, just made through redux now

[quasi warren]

yes this is real by the way lmaoo

[cloud imp]

[quasi warren]

small reminder, still active

[quasi warren]

again this project will be active, though I will end up postponing development to when Redux is in a more stable state for planetary development

interstellar is still yet very unstable and it isnt easy to create planets very easily

[random flax]

We're still hard at work on WOCFMP. We'll talk more when we can.

[quasi warren]

I promise I'll get back to this project

[analog ice]

So, when you teleport to Corsi, teleporting to the lower distance will make ships dies

however, teleporting just few increment higher, and it's already teleporting us REALLY FAR from Corsi

(and teleporting even higher put the ships outside of Corsi's SOI and dismantle the ship)

[quasi warren]

not a wocfmp issue

[analog ice]

like, that's the lowest i was able to teleport without teleporting in heating distance of Corsi

And also, what happens is that, i lowered my PE, but i can't warp to PE (the option doesn't show), but the PE is at 13 000 years aways XD

[quasi warren]

change the second digits

not the very last ones

[analog ice]

good to know^^

now, i'll try to land on one of the planet

any planet wanna me to try first (an interesting planet, or whateve^^)

[quasi warren]

I would reccomend the moons of Panns

[analog ice]

ok^^

Also, don't know if the color is "normal"? looks like super metallic

[quasi warren]

yes nominal texture, everything was made through blender

so the textures will look a bit unrealistic compared to the proper ksp2 ones

[analog ice]

ok^^

Panns looks cool to be honest

Gas giant i assume?

[quasi warren]

yes

[analog ice]

I don't know why, but i can't at all warp to AP/PE?

[quasi warren]

make sure its a smaller value

if that doesnt work then restart your game

[analog ice]

And even when i'm on a trajectory leaving or entering an SOI, can't warp to "SOI Change"

(i'll quickly stabilise my orbit and try to restart game)

[quasi warren]

you can turn on infinite fuel y'know

[analog ice]

it's turned on

Even after a restart, can't warp to AP/PE (on a stable orbit)

[quasi warren]

yeah no clue why that is

i would manually timewarp

[analog ice]

that's what i do^^

The same issue is happening in Kerbol system (on low kerbin orbit)

Landed, looks cool!

Also, i like a lot Meloda's look (and same for Korka)

Does Korka has a super high gravity?

i'm at 2512 m/s orbiting it at lower than 10 km altitude XD

[quasi warren]

it doesnt have an atmosphere

planety never had implemented atmospheres so your gonna find that at lower altitudes your velcoity is alot faster

[analog ice]

ok^^ didn't noticed it on Mun/minmus, but it's true that those are little moons and not planet

[cloud imp]

I wonder who named that

[quasi warren]

wocfmp will never use Artificial Intelligence or any form of clankers
^ fuck you kss2

[crimson egret]

did they really use ai for loading screens?

i heard so but no one elaborated

[quasi warren]

yup

[crimson egret]

bruh

[quasi warren]

i was a moderator in the server, made a channel called anti-ai

and then left

[crimson egret]

LMAO

[quasi warren]

SC dm'd me and said im banned until they decide what to do next

[cloud imp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1078822073910169790/1081652162234437652/buh.gif

[quasi warren]

little do they know im not even joining back anytime soon

[crimson egret]

thats a bummer

for such a big mod

and with some talented people too

from what i seen at leaast

[quasi warren]

a real bummer i couldnt do anything more damaging

but yeah kinda sad

pretty sure promised worlds is already doing that

[crimson egret]

were at 40k downloads so ig not exactly yet

[quasi warren]

better than wocfmp

maybe because i havent fully released it yet

[crimson egret]

then lock in

when atmospheres

[quasi warren]

i have redux to work on 😭

[crimson egret]

im craving ksp2 modding

[quasi warren]

technically now

[crimson egret]

what

[quasi warren]

lmao

[crimson egret]

WHAT

any sneaks

[quasi warren]

no

[crimson egret]

:(

[quasi warren]

not yet

[crimson egret]

oke oke

[quasi warren]

but it somewhat works

not properly yet

[crimson egret]

what about generating luts

still hard or

any ways to go around

or whatever that was

[quasi warren]

yeah somewhat, we know the source for generating these LUTs and that ksp2 uses them too

just its the license that affects it

for what we've used for generating them on the spot with small modified code

i will thank @stiff flower for that

[crimson egret]

PEAK

cant wait

[quasi warren]

when i actually end up being productive with what ive been trying to do for the past 2 months

[unkempt oriole]

That's the Image they used for their latest release.

(clearly made with AI)

[cloud imp]

stand react this

[native gate]

using CLANKERS

oh this guy🤦‍♂️
I'm pretty sure this is a reference to him stealing textures and clankerizing them ||what I mean is AI "enhancing" the textures ||

[quasi warren]

i will note this is what this man said to me

fym its an issue i need to work on for hating ai

[crimson egret]

💀

maybe a good time to point out that Promised Worlds never used and never will use AI, generative AI in any form

such a shame
and theres some people on reddit protecting them bruh

[quasi warren]

well its reddit

of course they are

[undone spear]

“Agreement not required”, I don’t think they expected the backlash that they got

[random flax]

The fuck are they trying to even say with that phrase lol

[analog ice]

Maybe that it's AI, so no licence or agreement to use it?

[undone spear]

I read it as a subtle pro-ai statement

We’re using ai even though people will disagree with us type of thing

[native gate]

This is my take on it

[undone spear]

Such a waste of talent

[narrow mango]

Oh come ON

kss2 was like

THE interstellar mod

I guess promised worlds wins by ethicalness

Unless THAT team did something that leaves such a bad taste

[crimson egret]

epic victory

[narrow mango]

Filthy automaton

[mild night]

Is there a way or place to download this?

[quasi warren]

https://discord.com/channels/1078696971088433153/1348167683643936838

this will not work with redux

[mild night]

Can I install it on the steam KSP2 without redux?

[quasi warren]

yes

[random flax]

yeah, you can just use CKAN to install Planety and all the dependencies

[mild night]

Planety?

Is that what was used to make this

[random flax]

the library for adding planets

[quasi warren]

the mod that adds planets

[mild night]

like kopernicus

[quasi warren]

yes

[mild night]

nice

Do I install through planety or do I need to download this from somewhere else? or is this called planety itself?

[quasi warren]

wocfmp Is found here

https://discord.com/channels/1078696971088433153/1348167683643936838

[viscid wave]

My trip to the void has concluded

This is your bi-monthly message from me (I was lying)

Ok bye

[mild night]

hi

[viscid wave]

Cant wait for full release of the main mod and WOCFMP

Ok by fr this time

[dense crest]

@quasi warren sorry to bother you, but your probably the best person to ask, what all do i need to start putting MOP into the game, i've been out of the loop for quite a while, is planety still usable?

[quasi warren]

yes but no

you'll need to use unity for proper planet mods

[dense crest]

so what all do i need

[quasi warren]

wocfmp is so back

after interstellar ofc

[quasi warren]

No but wocfmp will return - right after colonies
I have big plans

[cloud imp]

wocfmp in redux?

[dense crest]

your adding a planet made of raw unfiltered dookie?

[quasi warren]

what