Kerbal Life-Support System (KLSS) | KSP2 Redux | Page 2

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 7:33 PM

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Let's go the LightObjectNames was supposed to be set to the name of the 3d model gameObject, not the root part object

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Ok, now to do some light rebalancing and also some part localization

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And then, it's pre-release time!

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 7:36 PM

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Hell yeah!

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I'll make sure to get it on CKAN as quickly as possible

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 7:39 PM

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(well also the greenhouse mesh is a bit fucked because some mistakes I made with mirror modifiers but I'll fix that later down the line)

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 8:30 PM

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Ah I need to find a logo too

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 9:02 PM

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Here y'all go, should be decent-enough for a pre-release so people can start to try this out and find bugs!

Known issues:

GRN-100 Greenhouse model & emissive are wonky
In the VAB, the resource estimations do not take into account recyclers if they're not set to the default formula

Requires:
Space Warp >=1.5.2
Patch Manager >=0.3.0
Community Resources >=0.1.0

📎 KerbalLifeSupportSystem-0.1.0-pre.zip

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 9:05 PM

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not putting it on spacedock yett?

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 9:06 PM

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I think I'll iron out the obvious bugs first, then do a full release

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To avoid bug reports about stuff I already know about

vague mortar Oct 28, 2023, 9:06 PM

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Awesome! I'm installing right now

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 9:10 PM

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sudden oriole not putting it on spacedock yett?

Eh, you know what, I can push it to SpaceDock you're right, I'll just put a big pre-release disclaimer somewhere

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 9:11 PM

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then you can linkin ig as well

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and can f yu wish

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 9:21 PM

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It's published, I suppose there's some CKAN wrangling that needs to happen next

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 9:21 PM

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do you want a mod tester ping for this?

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 9:21 PM

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Ah yeah that'd be nice

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 9:21 PM

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<@&1079082721281851422>

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first ever KSP2 life support mod now released!

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https://spacedock.info/mod/3485/Kerbal Life-Support System

SpaceDock

Kerbal Life-Support System by Safarte

0.1.0-pre for KSP2 0.1.5.0 | Download: 23.44 MiB | Released on: 2023-10-28
Because your Kerbals need Snacks.

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 9:22 PM

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surreal bridge It's published, I suppose there's some CKAN wrangling that needs to happen next

ill do it soon

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 9:22 PM

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requires Patch Manager and Community Resources mods (might want to add that to the SpaceDock description)

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 9:24 PM

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sudden oriole ill do it soon

unless a <@&1127598160605368381> wants to beat me to it

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 9:24 PM

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who calls me

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 9:24 PM

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silver jungle who calls me

https://github.com/KSP-CKAN/KSP2-NetKAN/commit/3d4d5e621cac249a892208088addca4d23661aad

GitHub

Add Kerbal Life-Support System from SpaceDock · KSP-CKAN/KSP2-NetKA...

This is an automated commit on behalf of Safarte

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i cant in vr

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 9:25 PM

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now that would be some intense wrangling

woven badger Oct 28, 2023, 9:26 PM

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I'm on the ntkan pull looking at the checks and I see this

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surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 9:27 PM

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That's not the only issue I think, SpaceDock for one doesn't add deps and stuff like that

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 9:27 PM

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woven badger I'm on the ntkan pull looking at the checks and I see this

it needs proper install paths set up for that I think

woven badger Oct 28, 2023, 9:29 PM

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What do I need to do here besides this?

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spec_version: v1.18
identifier: KerbalLifeSupportSystem
$kref: '#/ckan/spacedock/3485'
$vref: '#/ckan/space-warp'
license: MIT
tags:

plugin
depends:
name: SpaceWarp, PatchManger, CommunityResources
install:
find: ''
install_to: BepInEx/plugins
x_via: Automated SpaceDock CKAN submission

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 9:30 PM

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I'm on it!

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already did 1 commit

woven badger Oct 28, 2023, 9:30 PM

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Or Munix...

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Well, anyway we've got you covered Safarte!

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 9:38 PM

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@surreal bridge a slight issue

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you need to re-zip it

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it has backwards slashes

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 9:38 PM

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Ah shit, on it

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 9:38 PM

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(ideally with 7zip)

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 9:39 PM

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Yep yep I just forgor to change it to 7z for this mod

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 9:40 PM

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running this:

Install-Module Microsoft.PowerShell.Archive -MinimumVersion 1.2.3.0 -Repository PSGallery -Force
Import-Module Microsoft.PowerShell.Archive

in powershell should potentially fix the automatic zipping from the template

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(not sure if that's how you got the zip)

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 9:44 PM

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Pushing an updated zip

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 9:45 PM

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that did it, thanks!

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done, it's on CKAN now

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looking amazing

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oh wait, for some reason I don't see the LS entry in the app bar?

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surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 9:57 PM

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Huh

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Something in the logs?

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 9:57 PM

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just checked, nothing

vague mortar Oct 28, 2023, 10:00 PM

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There's no life support system inside the command pods?

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:00 PM

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Do you have Patch Manager & Community Resources installed?

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hmmm

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:01 PM

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did you by chance change the version in swinfo and not in the plugin?

vague mortar Oct 28, 2023, 10:01 PM

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Yep

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:01 PM

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How do I change the version in the plugin?

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:02 PM

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not it

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for me it's fine

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:02 PM

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[Error :Space Warp] Missing dependency for mod: Kerbal Life-Support System, this mod will not be loaded

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:02 PM

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it would say "(mismatch)" next to version

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:02 PM

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Ah I might not have the correct PM version locally oops

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:02 PM

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surreal bridge `[Error :Space Warp] Missing dependency for mod: Kerbal Life-Support System, th...

loo on the mod in sw

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:03 PM

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surreal bridge Ah I might not have the correct PM version locally oops

ah that would explain

vague mortar Oct 28, 2023, 10:04 PM

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I have a warning in the log

[Warning: BepInEx] Skipping type [KerbalLifeSupportSystem.KerbalLifeSupportSystemPlugin] because its version is invalid.

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:04 PM

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ohhh

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hhhhh

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:04 PM

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oh

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your version can't have non-numbers in it

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:05 PM

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Okayyy pushing an update

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:05 PM

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it has to be x[.x[.x[.x]]] I believe, where x is a number

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BepInEx uses the stupid .NET version format

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:06 PM

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Can we modify the template to auto remove extraneous shit

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:06 PM

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so that it automatically removes it from swinfo before build?

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that might be a bit invasive

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:07 PM

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Nonono

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:07 PM

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Update sent to SpaceDock

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:07 PM

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So that it automatically removes it from the version field when setting to the csproj

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:07 PM

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but BIE version has to be same as swinfo version

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:07 PM

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It ignores prerelease versions when I do that

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:07 PM

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ohhh

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ok, then it might be doable

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:08 PM

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Otherwise when I had spacewarp as a prerelease it would break

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:08 PM

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but I'm not sure how much magic I can do with MSBuild to do that

vague mortar Oct 28, 2023, 10:10 PM

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10 dowloads in 20 min: the smell of success

solar yarrow Oct 28, 2023, 10:13 PM

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parts are black with the newest update

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:13 PM

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Huh, not on my computer nooooooooo

solar yarrow Oct 28, 2023, 10:13 PM

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I'll try reinstalling

vague mortar Oct 28, 2023, 10:14 PM

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Now I have access to the life support window

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So it's expected not to have a life-support system on command pods?

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:14 PM

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it isn't

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I had it on all of them

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in all versions

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well I for one can say that now with 0.1.2, I have LS on all pods, I have the LS window, and the parts are not black

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vague mortar Oct 28, 2023, 10:16 PM

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Hmmm why doesn't it work for me

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:17 PM

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vague mortar Now I have access to the life support window

Huuuh could you delete the BepInEx/plugins/PatchManager/cache folder and restart the game?

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:17 PM

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I hope that isn't the issue tbh

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because it worked fine for me without clearing cache manually 🥲

woven badger Oct 28, 2023, 10:18 PM

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PM is kind weird about cache. I'd definitely try that.

solar yarrow Oct 28, 2023, 10:18 PM

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so, parts are black when you load a game with an already launched vehicle.

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if it's new, colors are ok

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:18 PM

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solar yarrow so, parts are black when you load a game with an already launched vehicle.

Uhhh

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:18 PM

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wtf

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:18 PM

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bruh

vague mortar Oct 28, 2023, 10:19 PM

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Game is tied in an infinite loop when trying to launch from the VAB with this error copied a thousand time in the log
[ERR 00:17:04.962] [Simulation] A part with Guid 6b169d44-3a70-4ac1-8dc8-8904ef4128c6 already exists.
[ERR 00:17:04.963] [General] Object reference not set to an instance of an object
at KSP.Sim.ResourceSystem.FlowInstructionCompilationExtensions.CompileToInstructionConfigs (KSP.Sim.ResourceSystem.ResourceFlowRequestConfig resourceFlowRequestConfig, KSP.Sim.ResourceSystem.ResourceDefinitionDatabase database, System.Double basePriority, KSP.Sim.ResourceSystem.IFlowNode target) [0x00078] in <483cd9805b7642b5be13e081b9a5d1b4>:0

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:19 PM

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Uhjhhhh

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:19 PM

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this will be a fun mod to debug, combining custom modules, patches, and UITK

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lifesupport

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the unholy trinity of modding

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meanwhile, I have all the above seemingly working

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but I have the recycler and greenhouse off

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:21 PM

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vague mortar Game is tied in an infinite loop when trying to launch from the VAB with this er...

The first one is weird, why is it trying to instantiate the same part twice

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:21 PM

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and it's not ticking down

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these values are not updating whatsoever

vague mortar Oct 28, 2023, 10:22 PM

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surreal bridge The first one is weird, why is it trying to instantiate the same part twice

Could be a collision with another mod?

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:22 PM

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vague mortar Could be a collision with another mod?

That's unbelievably unlikely no?

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:22 PM

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yeah pretty sure that can't be the case

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there isn't anything even remotely close to this

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in fact it's the only mod to use community resources and patch manager at this point

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:23 PM

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Yeah we're treading new ground here

vague mortar Oct 28, 2023, 10:23 PM

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[ERR 00:22:11.108] [Simulation] [ResourceContainer > CreateFillDataFromDefinition(...)]: invalid resource name 'Food' in container definition - no resource registered with that name in KSP.Sim.ResourceSystem.ResourceDefinitionDatabase
[ERR 00:22:11.110] [Simulation] [ResourceContainer > CreateFillDataFromDefinition(...)]: invalid resource name 'Waste' in container definition - no resource registered with that name in KSP.Sim.ResourceSystem.ResourceDefinitionDatabase
[ERR 00:22:11.147] [Simulation] [ResourceContainer > CreateFillDataFromDefinition(...)]: invalid resource name 'Food' in container definition - no resource registered with that name in KSP.Sim.ResourceSystem.ResourceDefinitionDatabase
[ERR 00:22:11.147] [Simulation] [ResourceContainer > CreateFillDataFromDefinition(...)]: invalid resource name 'Water' in container definition - no resource registered with that name in KSP.Sim.ResourceSystem.ResourceDefinitionDatabase
[ERR 00:22:11.148] [Simulation] [ResourceContainer > CreateFillDataFromDefinition(...)]: invalid resource name 'Oxygen' in container definition - no resource registered with that name in KSP.Sim.ResourceSystem.ResourceDefinitionDatabase
[ERR 00:22:11.148] [Simulation] [ResourceContainer > CreateFillDataFromDefinition(...)]: invalid resource name 'WasteWater' in container definition - no resource registered with that name in KSP.Sim.ResourceSystem.ResourceDefinitionDatabase
[ERR 00:22:11.148] [Simulation] [ResourceContainer > CreateFillDataFromDefinition(...)]: invalid resource name 'CarbonDioxide' in container definition - no resource registered with that name in KSP.Sim.ResourceSystem.ResourceDefinitionDatabase
[ERR 00:22:11.149] [Simulation] [ResourceContainer > CreateFillDataFromDefinition(...)]: invalid resource name 'Waste' in container definition - no resource registered with that name in KSP.Sim.ResourceSystem.ResourceDefinitionDatabase

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:24 PM

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surreal bridge Yeah we're treading new ground here

you're definitely a pioneer in this

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:24 PM

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vague mortar [ERR 00:22:11.108] [Simulation] [ResourceContainer > CreateFillDataFromDefinitio...

CommunityResources error?

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:24 PM

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yeah, that looks like CR isn't loading

vague mortar Oct 28, 2023, 10:25 PM

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I don't have the infinite loop anymore. I have an empty State entry in the part manager

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:25 PM

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vague mortar [ERR 00:22:11.108] [Simulation] [ResourceContainer > CreateFillDataFromDefinitio...

Could you send your whole LogOutput.Log file? (after sanitization for like real name and stuff like that)

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:25 PM

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vague mortar I don't have the infinite loop anymore. I have an empty State entry in the part ...

that's stock dw

vague mortar Oct 28, 2023, 10:26 PM

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📎 Ksp2.log

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:26 PM

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Collision

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:26 PM

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how would that affect this

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:27 PM

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sudden oriole Collision

how

vague mortar Oct 28, 2023, 10:27 PM

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📎 LogOutput.log

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:27 PM

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silver jungle *how would that affect this*

oh I get it, nevermind

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but yeah that should have been fixed

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:28 PM

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It's from PM's side then?

void fiber Oct 28, 2023, 10:28 PM

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sudden oriole Collision

how is that even installed?

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:28 PM

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surreal bridge It's from PM's side then?

It's from SpaceWarps side

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Because thats where the ReflectionTypeLoadException shit is even meant to be patched

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:29 PM

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void fiber how is that even installed?

They probably never uninstalled it I guess?

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:30 PM

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@vague mortar uninstall BetterPartsManager

vague mortar Oct 28, 2023, 10:30 PM

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Ok

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:32 PM

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ok so I can confirm that the resources now completely stopped ticking for me in this version

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it worked just yesterday

solar yarrow Oct 28, 2023, 10:32 PM

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they don't tick for me either

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:33 PM

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did you try to listen carefully?

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munley

solar yarrow Oct 28, 2023, 10:33 PM

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wait, I head something

vague mortar Oct 28, 2023, 10:34 PM

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There it is!

solar yarrow Oct 28, 2023, 10:34 PM

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nevermind, that's my wall clock

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:34 PM

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silver jungle ok so I can confirm that the resources now completely stopped ticking for me in ...

But everything else works?

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:34 PM

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yep

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:34 PM

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That's very weird

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:34 PM

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rates are set correctly in cache

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just checked that

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📎 message.txt

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:35 PM

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I think its an issue on Safartes side

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:35 PM

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silver jungle

That's the recycler not the consumer

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:36 PM

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sudden oriole I think its an issue on Safartes side

Yeah

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:36 PM

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sorry, dumbass

vague mortar Oct 28, 2023, 10:36 PM

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It's ticking for me

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:36 PM

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nooooooooo

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:36 PM

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ok I don't seem to have a consumer on any crew pods at all

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:36 PM

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Huh

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:37 PM

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huh

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:37 PM

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📎 message.txt

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let me try the good old "delete cache" trick

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that fixed it

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Cheese something tells me the cache invalidation doesn't work like it's supposed to

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it really does seem more and more like a PM 4am-er after all

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:41 PM

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We ... don't add the swinfo into the hashes

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:/

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:42 PM

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oh...

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:42 PM

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We really should add a if modlistchanged

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:42 PM

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yeah

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:42 PM

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I thought we did

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did we remove it?

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:42 PM

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I have no recollection of either

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lifesupport

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:42 PM

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Does it check for mod version changes too?

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:42 PM

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it should but it doesn't

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:42 PM

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Should be as simple a fix as this

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:42 PM

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that was the problem

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:43 PM

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(that second one uses a hash of the swinfo files for reference

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:43 PM

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oh yeah true, SW does already have that

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:44 PM

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Okay, at least this issue should not affect non-modders for my mod, at least we caught that early x)

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:44 PM

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well, technically it does

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since the last version was broken, incorrect cache was generated

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and updating the mod doesn't regenerate it

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:44 PM

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Ah true

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:45 PM

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but that's about to not be an issue very soon

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:45 PM

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@silver jungle can you review my PR

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Okay, PM issue solved

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:48 PM

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one of them, anyway

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the type load error is more worrying

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:48 PM

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I'm still confused by Falki's black part issue

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:49 PM

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That's just reflection being reflection with broken DLLs (BetterPartManager)

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:49 PM

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surreal bridge I'm still confused by Falki's black part issue

ah true let me test with a save file

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:49 PM

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I'm gonna grab some food

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:51 PM

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and nothing relevant in logs

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[Info : Unity Log] [Physics] Couldn't find override drag cube or drag module data to calculate bounds for buoyant part 'KLSS_life_support_tank_1v_1x1'. Make sure Part has a drag module and/or an override cube if desired this is the only thing about KLSS

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but I don't think that's related

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since that's only about one of the 3 broken parts

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:52 PM

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Ah yeah I don't know how to do drag cubes

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And I might have forgot drag on the first part

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:52 PM

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as we did for the engine in the workshop, btw, I'm pretty sure @woven badger

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lmao

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:52 PM

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silver jungle

This looks like AO is doing some fucky wucky?

woven badger Oct 28, 2023, 10:53 PM

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silver jungle as we did for the engine in the workshop, btw, I'm pretty sure <@402620630585049...

No that was OK. The stock engines don't have that. We need that on other parts though.

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:53 PM

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though actually the automatic drag cubes might not be possible currently without importing the game's project settings

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since we need to assign a transform to an imported layer from the game

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and that I think is part of the project settings import

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:54 PM

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silver jungle

You just added a new craft to a save with already flying vessels?

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:54 PM

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silver jungle and that I think is part of the project settings import

Can we try importing layers only

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:55 PM

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surreal bridge You just added a new craft to a save with already flying vessels?

saved this vessel on the launchpad and then reloaded the save with it after restart

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not sure if the restart is needed

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:57 PM

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Ah yeah can reproduce

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And wtf

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:58 PM

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Is it a PM issue?
Couldnt be otherwise all parts would be black?

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:58 PM

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yeah, I don't think so

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 10:58 PM

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Nah that's an issue with my Unity part setup I guess

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 10:59 PM

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who would have guessed we would manage to find this many bugs in such an amount of time (since patch 5 release)

sudden oriole Oct 28, 2023, 10:59 PM

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We should get paid for this

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 11:00 PM

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https://i.imgflip.com/8469tc.gif

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also

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mymachine

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these have been long overdue

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 11:04 PM

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@woven badger didn't you also have issues with your engines turning black at some point?

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Well anyways, I'm going to sleep asap, I'll try to fix the most egregious bugs tmrw

woven badger Oct 28, 2023, 11:16 PM

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surreal bridge <@402620630585049088> didn't you also have issues with your engines turning blac...

Nope, there's a bug in LFO I think - or an incompatibility that came in around 0.1.4.1, where it turns all the plumes red. Mine should generally be bluish white, and the look fine in Unity Editor, but not in the game.

silver jungle Oct 28, 2023, 11:21 PM

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oh by the way

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seems like your forgot to update the subtitle

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on the forums

surreal bridge Oct 28, 2023, 11:25 PM

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Oops

vague mortar Oct 29, 2023, 8:06 AM

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There's a minor bug when the oxygen level is near zero, it get stuck at 21s left

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Steps to reproduce :

don't activate the recycler and deplete all ressources
when everything is at zero, activate the recycler -> the oxygen and water level rise
when there's no more electric charge, the levels drop
the oxygen level stops at 21s

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I reloaded and retried, I was able to reproduce

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With timewarp, I noticed that the Kerbal lives for several hours still before the oxygen level gets brutally to zero

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And then he dies

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Also a very minor display bug: it uses metric tons instead of liters for the water in the VAB

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 8:56 AM

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vague mortar There's a minor bug when the oxygen level is near zero, it get stuck at 21s left

Noted, thank you

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 8:57 AM

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vague mortar Also a very minor display bug: it uses metric tons instead of liters for the wat...

Noted too, this might be an issue with PM

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 10:25 AM

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I'm trying to wrap my head around the "parts appear black after restarting the game" issue and I have no idea where to start looking

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Afaik my materials are set up properly (see attached)

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My maps look okay too I think

vague mortar Oct 29, 2023, 10:30 AM

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Can you reproduce?

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 10:31 AM

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Yeah, launch a craft with my parts, save and exit the game, restart and reload save

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I have an intuition as to what might cause it, brb

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I think this is clearly an issue with ambient occlusion

vague mortar Oct 29, 2023, 10:44 AM

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But you don't have an ao map

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Maybe you need to set its strenght to 0?

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 10:47 AM

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iirc the shader computes AO from metallic, and every other mod I've seen sets the strength to 1

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What's weird is that it only happens after a game restart, like how does that make any sense

vague mortar Oct 29, 2023, 10:58 AM

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It may be failing to load one of the texture map

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 11:32 AM

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Ok I think I found the issue, I put some noise in pmDirt and that causes everything to turn black, I need to check how this channel is used

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 12:22 PM

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I managed to get the greenhouse to not be blac at one point but now I can't replicate nooooooooo

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@woven badger for parts mat, all maps except normal should be set to Alpha Is Transparency right?

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 12:43 PM

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surreal bridge <@402620630585049088> for parts mat, all maps except normal should be set to Alp...

Correct!

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 12:43 PM

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surreal bridge My maps look okay too I think

And do these look correct to you?

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 12:43 PM

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surreal bridge Afaik my materials are set up properly (see attached)

And this?

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 12:43 PM

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The Normal needs to be "fixed", but not set to alpha is transparency.

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Is the mostly black one an AO map?

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 12:45 PM

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Emissive

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 12:45 PM

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Ahh, Ok. Then these look fine.

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I don't see anything wrong with the way you've got your material set up. Looks fine to me.

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 12:48 PM

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Argh why the f is this bug happening

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Why only on save load too

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Just to be sure @woven badger , you never had any issues with your engines turning black on save game load?

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 12:49 PM

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This is an odd one. I just tripple checked all your materials settings against one of mine and they do look fine.

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I've never see this happen with any part, engine or tank - those are all I've made so far

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 12:50 PM

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Are your adressable group settings the same as that?

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And addressables settings

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 12:52 PM

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looking now

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The first one is fine.

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Where do you ge tthe second one?

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 12:54 PM

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Window > Asset Management > Addressables > Settings

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 12:56 PM

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Minor diff here:

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Also here:

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And here:

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I don't know any of those would matter.

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 12:59 PM

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Yeah that didn't fix it

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 1:00 PM

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Man this is a weird one.

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I do kind of think it might be occlusion related.

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I think if that gets messed up it would do this

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 1:07 PM

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woven badger I do kind of think it might be occlusion related.

Do you set an occlusion map in your materials or do you leave it empty?

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 1:08 PM

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I leave it empty.

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Like you said, I think the shader does it for you.

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Do you have the Lux Shader somewhere in your project?

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 1:11 PM

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I can replicate in Unity what I get in game if I set occlusion strength to 0

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 1:12 PM

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woven badger Do you have the Lux Shader somewhere in your project?

yes

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So yeah this seems ao related

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 1:13 PM

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surreal bridge yes

I use the one from KSP2UT

silver jungle Oct 29, 2023, 1:14 PM

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it should be the same one

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 1:14 PM

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Are they? I did not know that! I may have it duplicated then.

silver jungle Oct 29, 2023, 1:15 PM

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not 100% sure

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but I think the one in KSP2UT is from Lux

sudden oriole Oct 29, 2023, 1:15 PM

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It was given to me by lux

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 1:15 PM

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So from what I gathered it seems _occlusionStrength gets set to 0 for my parts on save load after a restart

sudden oriole Oct 29, 2023, 1:18 PM

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Odd

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 1:18 PM

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surreal bridge So from what I gathered it seems _occlusionStrength gets set to 0 for my parts o...

(how is that possible tho)

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 2:04 PM

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surreal bridge So from what I gathered it seems _occlusionStrength gets set to 0 for my parts o...

Could this be that my Unity project is just fucked up?

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I'll try recreating a new one

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 2:30 PM

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surreal bridge I'll try recreating a new one

That may be the thing. I had (completely unrelated) issues that led me to finally re-do my SPARK mod with a fresh clean package. I jsut did an asset export for everyting (including dependencies) that I wanted to save from the old project and pulled them into the new one. I needed to set up addressables and the Build/Load path, but mostly it's not that bad. Tedious, but not really bad.

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I have a hunch that best practices may be to go this route when migrating from one unity ver to another.

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 4:05 PM

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surreal bridge I'll try recreating a new one

That didn't fix it nooooooooo

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 4:08 PM

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surreal bridge That didn't fix it <:nooooooooo:1084232259105718282>

Rats... I still think it's occlusion related. I'll test my parts rn to see if with 0.1.5. I may be getting a similar effect.

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 4:10 PM

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@arctic panther I seem to be having an issue with the Paintable shader in Unity, for AO I do not set any map and I just set Occlusion Strength to 1. But here is what happens: when reloading a save with the part on a launched vessel after restarting the game the part appears very black, just like when Occlusion Strength is set to 0. Any idea what could cause this?

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When first launching a vessel and in the OAB the parts appear correctly

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 4:36 PM

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(I am going crazy over this issue)

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 4:37 PM

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woven badger Rats... I still think it's occlusion related. I'll test my parts rn to see if wi...

@woven badger any news on that front?

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 4:37 PM

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Sorry, got distracted with an LFO thing. I'll test that rn in the game.

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So save with a part on the pad, get out and then back in and load?

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 4:38 PM

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With restarting the game in the middle yeah

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 4:38 PM

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OK, saved on the pad, closed the game, launching again now

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https://tenor.com/view/it-works-neil-degrasse-tyson-startalk-it-works-fine-its-working-gif-21921704

Tenor

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surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 4:41 PM

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Ah!

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 4:41 PM

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Yay! Perfect! not...

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 4:41 PM

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The update must have broken smth in the shader

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 4:41 PM

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It's blacker than Neal's shirt...

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No, dude - I'm getting the same issue you've got.

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Those are supposed to be shiny!

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 4:42 PM

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Yep, that's what I'm saying, the shader we both use must have had smth broken

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 4:42 PM

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Oh, yeah. I get you now. The update broke something

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We'll have to sort this out...

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 4:43 PM

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Yep definitely, is Lux also the only one who knows how that works? (tbh the shader is pretty short we might be able to sort this out ouselves)

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@arctic panther could the Unity 2022 upgrade have broken something with the Paintable shader? Especially regarding occlusion

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 4:54 PM

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I think this is something we should handle. Lux is taking a look at LFO rn. Maybe you and I can sort this one out so we're not overloading him?

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 4:55 PM

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Yep, I'm trying a dirty fix rn

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 4:55 PM

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Ooo! I like that. I'm going to open up that shader and have a look see.

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 4:56 PM

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Ok dirty fix didn't work

arctic panther Oct 29, 2023, 5:01 PM

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surreal bridge <@135118540377161728> could the Unity 2022 upgrade have broken something with th...

shouldnt

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can you show me

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how your inpsector looks?

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 5:02 PM

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surreal bridge Afaik my materials are set up properly (see attached)

here

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On first vessel launch the part appears correctly but then after restarting the game and reloading the save the part appears like occlusion strength was set to 0

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 5:06 PM

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So force it to be 1? Weird. In Isa's icon generator I don't apply the _ao, and I set the strngth to 0, and that give me a good icon - but that's blender.

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Is your dirty trick then to change this line?

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o.Occlusion = o.Occlusion * _OcclusionStrength;

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 5:07 PM

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It was to remove it yeah

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 5:07 PM

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to be = 1

arctic panther Oct 29, 2023, 5:08 PM

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surreal bridge On first vessel launch the part appears correctly but then after restarting the ...

thats pretty wierd

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 5:08 PM

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arctic panther how your inpsector looks?

Yeah, my inspectors look the same and I'm getting this on my parts too

arctic panther Oct 29, 2023, 5:08 PM

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could be the implementation, but then it would happen to every thing

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oh

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its this something that only happens on 0.1.5?

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 5:09 PM

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Yep

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0.1.4.1 was fine. This is new in 0.1.5

arctic panther Oct 29, 2023, 5:09 PM

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fair, probably something on the patch in spacewarp

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if you load a save, the same happens right?

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cuz the pipeline of VAB>Flight is diffrent from Save>Flight

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 5:09 PM

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IF you quit/reopen/then load you get this.

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Seems this is related to that different pipeline then

arctic panther Oct 29, 2023, 5:18 PM

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woven badger IF you quit/reopen/then load you get this.

i thigh u were gonna send a screenshot lmao

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yeah, @sudden oriole what was the fix for PM to apply also on saveload?

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 5:18 PM

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#1145349899777478759 message

arctic panther Oct 29, 2023, 5:19 PM

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its probably gonna be needed here too... wierd that it broke on 0.1.5

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 5:19 PM

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I meant you get this effect.

arctic panther Oct 29, 2023, 5:20 PM

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my guess is that they changed the shader internally

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since it still works correctly in Unity, but not in game

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 5:20 PM

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Also, I just tested without PM and CR and the before looks fine like this:

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with after like this

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arctic panther Oct 29, 2023, 5:20 PM

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oh wait, so w/o those 2 it looks fine?

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 5:21 PM

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Nope without those two we still get the bad occlusion effect. I think I've ruled out PM and/or CR as a source

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I can start dropping mods to see if there's any way to get it better narrowed down, but I know those have both seen a lot of work recently

silver jungle Oct 29, 2023, 5:22 PM

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you could try disabling/deleting everything except SpaceWarp, UITK and TNO

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 5:22 PM

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So the before was when I saved, and the after was after quit/restart/load

silver jungle Oct 29, 2023, 5:22 PM

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(disabling doesn't work with PM, since it has a preload patcher, but should work for all other mods)

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 5:22 PM

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Oh disabling PM doesn't necessarily work?

silver jungle Oct 29, 2023, 5:23 PM

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it doesn't disable the preload patcher

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and that can cause exceptions

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and it does change some of the game code

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 5:23 PM

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I could temporarily yank it - that will work

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I'll test that rn

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PM yanked, but other things still present (CR disabled)

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silver jungle Oct 29, 2023, 5:27 PM

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yeah, then you can probably rule out mods

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it might be an issue in SpaceWarp's code

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 5:28 PM

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Still bad...

silver jungle Oct 29, 2023, 5:28 PM

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silver jungle it might be an issue in SpaceWarp's code

I'd say that's the most likely place

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 5:28 PM

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The ColorsPatch probably?

silver jungle Oct 29, 2023, 5:28 PM

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since SpaceWarp is where the shader properties actually get set

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yeah

woven badger Oct 29, 2023, 5:29 PM

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This is good to know. We've narrowed it down then.

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It's also good in that we should be able to fix it in just one place.

silver jungle Oct 29, 2023, 5:30 PM

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Possibly

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Not sure if the KSP2UT-provided shader might also need a change

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Which would require a rebuild of part mods

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But that's only if the game's own shader's properties changed

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If not, then it's just SW that needs fixing most likely

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 5:32 PM

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Hmm is there no Deploy&Run build config for SW?

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(trying some stuff)

silver jungle Oct 29, 2023, 5:32 PM

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No, SW is an absolute monster

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You need python installed to build it

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And then you run build.bat in its root

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I'm planning on completely reworking the whole build system to match the one used by my template

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For 2.0.0

sudden oriole Oct 29, 2023, 5:34 PM

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Space Warps build system was from before we had better practices

silver jungle Oct 29, 2023, 5:35 PM

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Before I traveled deep into the mountains of MSDN to learn the ancient dark arts of MSBuild

surreal bridge Oct 29, 2023, 5:38 PM

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I'll try to look into the ColorsPatch but it looks complicated

arctic panther Oct 29, 2023, 5:41 PM

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surreal bridge The ColorsPatch probably?

this is what i was saying

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the patch in colors patch

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where it applies to the in flight crafts

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vague mortar Oct 30, 2023, 12:28 PM

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Testing KLSS on a space station

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So far I have encountered some glitches, such as:

after a while, it's not possible to save a build in the VAB
when launching, it's not possible to revert to launch or to revert to VAB
But it's hard to know if they are related to KLSS or not. I have another install where KLSS is not and I do not encounter them, but that's not the only difference in terms of mod.

surreal bridge Oct 30, 2023, 1:05 PM

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Can you reproduce those errors consistently? For the first one, after how long does it happen roughly? And also, do you have save & log files available? (And do you have other mods installed?)

vague mortar Oct 30, 2023, 7:55 PM

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Yes it happened several times. I just removed all unnecessary mods, I will tell you if it happens again

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I have found something else. It's not really a bug but it's an inconvinence. When I add a pod in the VAB, it does not get added to the life support window. Even if I save the build it does not. I have to load the build to be able to see the stats.

vague mortar Oct 31, 2023, 8:36 AM

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Another thing to be improved upon: pressing Esc closes the KLSS window (in flight and in the VAB), so I have to re-open it everything I save the game.

surreal bridge Oct 31, 2023, 10:43 AM

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vague mortar I have found something else. It's not really a bug but it's an inconvinence. Whe...

That's definitley a bug, thanks for the report

vague mortar Oct 31, 2023, 11:27 AM

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The greenhouse description says it outputs 0 T of food whatever the setting.

vague mortar Oct 31, 2023, 11:57 AM

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Do the Kerbals generate waste?

woven badger Oct 31, 2023, 12:40 PM

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vague mortar Do the Kerbals generate waste?

The primary output of any machine shop is waste. As a bi-product of waste production you get a few parts. I think Kerbals are the same. They mainly generate waste, but also may do some work and serve a decorative purpose when planting flags.

surreal bridge Oct 31, 2023, 2:24 PM

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vague mortar Do the Kerbals generate waste?

Yes, at the same rate they consume Food

vague mortar Oct 31, 2023, 2:25 PM

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Where can I see the amount of waste generated? And what happens once we reach the limit that the vessel can sustain?

surreal bridge Oct 31, 2023, 2:29 PM

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Ah yeah there is no way currently to see the Kerbals' consumption and production in-game oops
They produce / consume per day:

1kg Food/Waste
1kg O2/CO2
3L Water/WasteWater
And nothing happens when the waste products containers are filled, it is assumed the Kerbals just dump it outside

silver jungle Oct 31, 2023, 2:31 PM

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for a future update, may I suggest that for example once your space station's waste containers get filled up, you'd have to send a resupply craft to fill up the food/O2/water containers and take away all the waste?

vague mortar Oct 31, 2023, 2:31 PM

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lol ok

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Maybe "dumping" should be a manual action, so that we can dump the waste water but keep the waste for fertilizer

surreal bridge Oct 31, 2023, 3:21 PM

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vague mortar Maybe "dumping" should be a manual action, so that we can dump the waste water b...

Not all the container is "dumped", only stuff that'd "overfill" the container

surreal bridge Oct 31, 2023, 3:25 PM

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silver jungle for a future update, may I suggest that for example once your space station's wa...

Hmm I feel this could become quite tedious, an option to just dump waste materials in space seems realistic and beneficial gameplay-wise imo

silver jungle Oct 31, 2023, 3:28 PM

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I guess, it really just depends on the intended level of realism, for example if resupply missions were a necessity, then taking out the waste with them would also make sense

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But if it's possible to recycle 100% of everything using EC, then it's definitely not needed

surreal bridge Oct 31, 2023, 5:02 PM

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Yeah I do not aim for this mod to be this realistic

woven badger Oct 31, 2023, 9:37 PM

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Perhaps there could be optional recyclers with some %efficiency and requiring EC?

surreal bridge Oct 31, 2023, 9:38 PM

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Right now all recyclers require EC and have a <1 efficiency

silver jungle Oct 31, 2023, 9:39 PM

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do they? when I was testing with solar panels, there seemed to be 0 loss

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or maybe that was a bit earlier in the development? now I'm not sure anymore

surreal bridge Oct 31, 2023, 9:40 PM

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Ah yeah by <1 efficiency I mean that they cannot cover the needs of a fully crewed capsule

silver jungle Oct 31, 2023, 9:40 PM

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ahh

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you're right, I think I had 3 kerbals out of 5 in the biggest crew pod

surreal bridge Oct 31, 2023, 9:40 PM

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"True" innefficient recyclers would pretty much make self sustaining stations/bases impossible which I do not want

silver jungle Oct 31, 2023, 9:41 PM

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I like this solution, it basically forces you to not "overcrowd" your crew modules

surreal bridge Oct 31, 2023, 9:42 PM

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Yeah, and while the solution for O2/H2O self sufficiency is "just" adding more crew modules, it provides a gameplay reason for larger stations / bases which is cool imo

surreal bridge Nov 1, 2023, 1:31 PM

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vague mortar I have found something else. It's not really a bug but it's an inconvinence. Whe...

Was able to reproduce and fix it, ty!

sudden oriole Nov 1, 2023, 3:57 PM

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I really need to add per campaign settings to space warp

surreal bridge Nov 1, 2023, 4:00 PM

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That'd be awesome indeed 🤩

surreal bridge Nov 1, 2023, 4:06 PM

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vague mortar I have found something else. It's not really a bug but it's an inconvinence. Whe...

This, as well as a few other things should be fixed in the version that just released! (Please let me know if you encounter other annoyances)

surreal bridge Nov 1, 2023, 4:07 PM

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vague mortar So far I have encountered some glitches, such as: - after a while, it's not poss...

Did this happen again? What were the circustances?

vague mortar Nov 1, 2023, 4:28 PM

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Not being able to save a build in the VAB never happened again after I deleted the other mods, but not being able to revert launch or revert to VAB is systematic

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But there is a workaround:
Recover vessel > Revert to launch
Recover vessel > KSC > VAB > load vessel

surreal bridge Nov 1, 2023, 4:29 PM

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Huh, I'll look into that

surreal bridge Nov 1, 2023, 4:31 PM

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vague mortar Not being able to save a build in the VAB never happened again after I deleted t...

Also: what do you mean precisely by "not being able to revert launch / to VAB"? Are the buttons greyed out? Does it crash when reverting?

vague mortar Nov 1, 2023, 4:31 PM

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The buttons are greyed out

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I'm launching the game to take a capture

surreal bridge Nov 1, 2023, 4:38 PM

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Are those buttons greyed out only after restarting the game or directly after launching a craft?

vague mortar Nov 1, 2023, 4:39 PM

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Directly after launching a craft

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But I just tried with a clean campaign and I could not reproduce

surreal bridge Nov 1, 2023, 4:40 PM

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I think there's some weird stuff happening here that might be caused by the game itself

vague mortar Nov 1, 2023, 4:40 PM

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It seems it only occurs with my current campaign created before I deleted a bunch of mods, so maybe I'm not sure it's worth that you investigate after all

silver jungle Nov 1, 2023, 4:40 PM

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I also encountered a very weird bug where I had a vessel in VAB I could not launch, getting an error log saying something like that the vessel is still in the process of being saved, and was not able to launch it even when closing/opening the VAB etc., had to restart the game

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I did have the mod installed, but I think it has to do with either the game itself, or PM

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more likely the game, if I had to guess

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and I'd say the same for these other bugs as well

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though it's pretty difficult to pinpoint

surreal bridge Nov 1, 2023, 4:43 PM

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vague mortar It seems it only occurs with my current campaign created before I deleted a bunc...

Your campaign might sadly be in some sort of "corrupted" state where something somewhere broke at some point :/
I'll see if I can find some consistency for those kind of bugs in my testing but without reproducibility I can't provide any guarantee 🙇

vague mortar Nov 1, 2023, 6:24 PM

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@surreal bridge I've noticed a few more issues

the time expectancies do not get updated in the VAB when modifying the resource sliders, except when one of the ressource is 0 or when modifying the conversion rate
the window sticks when going back to the main menu

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I have checked that these issues are present on a clean campaign

surreal bridge Nov 1, 2023, 6:25 PM

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vague mortar <@192177564800909312> I've noticed a few more issues - the time expectancies do ...

Noted, thanks for the report, I'll get to those soon 🫡

vague mortar Nov 1, 2023, 6:25 PM

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Thank you, your mod is very fun to play with

surreal bridge Nov 1, 2023, 6:26 PM

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vague mortar Thank you, your mod is very fun to play with

Glad to hear that!

vague mortar Nov 1, 2023, 6:28 PM

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Also what do you think of adding the Waste in the resources window in the upper right corner? So that the player would know if he has enough waste to utilize the greenhouse in fertilized mode

surreal bridge Nov 1, 2023, 6:29 PM

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Hmm I don't know, I want to keep the number of resources in the top right window to the strict minimum, other mods will probably want to add stuff there too and it could quickly get out of hands

vague mortar Nov 1, 2023, 6:30 PM

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Alright, but I feel we should have a way to check for the amount of waste in the vessel

surreal bridge Nov 1, 2023, 6:31 PM

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You always have the Resource Manager, but it's very clunky

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This part of the game's UI needs a lot of work imo

vague mortar Nov 1, 2023, 6:31 PM

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Ah yes, it didn't occur to me to check the Resource Manager

silver jungle Nov 1, 2023, 6:32 PM

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one thing I miss from KSP1 is an overview of all of the vessel's resources in the VAB

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(though that is added by Kerbal Engineering Redux, not in stock)

vague mortar Nov 1, 2023, 6:32 PM

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We need a mod for that 👀

sudden oriole Nov 1, 2023, 6:32 PM

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vague mortar <@192177564800909312> I've noticed a few more issues - the time expectancies do ...

Alright, maybe liters should be a capital L, 63l looks so close to a plain 631

silver jungle Nov 1, 2023, 6:34 PM

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i guess that would warrant changing it, yeah

sudden oriole Nov 1, 2023, 6:34 PM

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The difference between l and 1 in that font is one pixel it seems

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silver jungle Nov 1, 2023, 6:35 PM

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bruh

surreal bridge Nov 1, 2023, 6:35 PM

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Ah yeah let's go for "L" x)

white cliff Nov 6, 2023, 5:43 PM

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hey m8

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how is this mod going?

surreal bridge Nov 6, 2023, 5:44 PM

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Going along, haven't worked on it in the past few days as I was taking a lil break

white cliff Nov 6, 2023, 5:44 PM

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ah nice

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did you have any problems with 0.1.5 in the end?

surreal bridge Nov 6, 2023, 5:45 PM

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white cliff did you have any problems with 0.1.5 in the end?

I had some issues but they were not directly related to my mod

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(stuff broken in dependencies)

white cliff Nov 6, 2023, 5:45 PM

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surreal bridge I had some issues but they were not directly related to my mod

good to hear

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really looking forward for this to release

surreal bridge Nov 6, 2023, 5:46 PM

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It's already released 👀 https://spacedock.info/mod/3485/Kerbal Life-Support System

SpaceDock

Kerbal Life-Support System by Safarte

0.2.0 for KSP2 0.1.5.0 | Download: 23.37 MiB | Released on: 2023-11-01
Because your Kerbals need Snacks.

white cliff Nov 6, 2023, 5:47 PM

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ah didnt know

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installing this right away!

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btw if kerbals run out of resources

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for now what happens

surreal bridge Nov 6, 2023, 5:47 PM

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white cliff btw if kerbals run out of resources

For now they die

white cliff Nov 6, 2023, 5:47 PM

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ah nice

surreal bridge Nov 6, 2023, 5:47 PM

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Other difficulty options for that will come later

white cliff Nov 6, 2023, 5:48 PM

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yeah sounds good

surreal bridge Nov 6, 2023, 5:48 PM

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white cliff installing this right away!

It's on CKAN btw if you want (easier to install)

white cliff Nov 6, 2023, 5:48 PM

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this is what i like anyways

white cliff Nov 6, 2023, 5:49 PM

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white cliff this is what i like anyways

i never liked the kerbal turns into tourist when they run out of stuff way

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(maybe has to do with the fact that i've been using kerbalism with rp1 for the past 3 years)

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btw any bug i find i'll be sure to document it here

surreal bridge Nov 6, 2023, 5:51 PM

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white cliff btw any bug i find i'll be sure to document it here

Thanks 🫡 (a few are already known: adjusting resource amounts in the VAB does not update the life-support UI correctly and there are some issues with the parts textures)

white cliff Nov 6, 2023, 5:52 PM

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alr

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good to know

sudden oriole Nov 9, 2023, 11:30 PM

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the part calc changes are happening in0.2.0

surreal bridge Nov 10, 2023, 7:38 AM

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Yep saw that, I asked Dakota for some details if it was possible, we'll see

surreal bridge Nov 11, 2023, 8:21 PM

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New release: #1169303383346262127 message !

surreal bridge Nov 18, 2023, 4:58 PM

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working on a Cygnus-esque food container

surreal bridge Nov 19, 2023, 12:05 PM

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Added a water tank, oxygen next

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Then some small radial tanks for rovers

surreal bridge Nov 19, 2023, 2:18 PM

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all 3

surreal bridge Nov 19, 2023, 6:01 PM

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mmmh snacks

silver jungle Nov 19, 2023, 6:03 PM

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love it 😆

surreal bridge Nov 19, 2023, 8:27 PM

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water tank!

sudden oriole Nov 19, 2023, 8:28 PM

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Awesome

surreal bridge Nov 19, 2023, 9:12 PM

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Let's try to quickly do the ox tank before going to sleep

surreal bridge Nov 19, 2023, 9:42 PM

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this is starting to get out of hand nooooooooo

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all the new parts made this weekend

silver jungle Nov 19, 2023, 9:49 PM

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bro is speedrunning part modding

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munley

surreal bridge Nov 19, 2023, 9:49 PM

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I think I've gotten it down to ~3h/part now

silver jungle Nov 19, 2023, 9:49 PM

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damn that's crazy

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and they all look amazing

sudden oriole Nov 19, 2023, 9:52 PM

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Do you use the newest ksp2unitytools? @surreal bridge

surreal bridge Nov 19, 2023, 9:53 PM

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sudden oriole Do you use the newest ksp2unitytools? <@192177564800909312>

Hmmm I don't think so

sudden oriole Nov 19, 2023, 9:54 PM

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Fair enough

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I was just thinking it might bring your iteration time down, but youd have to make a new project and copy everything over

surreal bridge Nov 19, 2023, 9:55 PM

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Yeaaaah I'm gonna stick to my already set up project for this mod, I'll definitely use the new tools for any future part mod tho

silver jungle Nov 19, 2023, 9:56 PM

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for a code mod the only part that it would speed up would just be the automatic copying of the addressables to the mod folder

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so probably not worth the effort

sudden oriole Nov 19, 2023, 9:57 PM

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I mean it also just allows you to launch ksp2 to test all within unity but yeah

surreal bridge Nov 20, 2023, 7:10 PM

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Working on some triangular radial M-size containers

boreal perch Nov 20, 2023, 7:41 PM

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surreal bridge Working on some triangular radial M-size containers

Yeeees! Cant wait to see these in the game!

surreal bridge Nov 20, 2023, 10:23 PM

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hehe

merry mauve Nov 20, 2023, 11:14 PM

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surreal bridge hehe

that looks sick!

white cliff Nov 21, 2023, 5:10 PM

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this mod is taking some good shape

surreal bridge Nov 21, 2023, 8:54 PM

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surreal bridge Nov 22, 2023, 6:28 PM

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Balls

boreal perch Nov 22, 2023, 6:40 PM

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Great balls klueless

surreal bridge Nov 23, 2023, 12:30 PM

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Had an idea:
Right now the greenhouse has two modes: "fertilized" and "unfertilized", the difference is that in fertilized mode the greenhouse uses Waste and produces twice as much food as the unfertilized mode.
This means that currently there is no reason to not use the fertilized mode, to remedy that I have a new proposal:
The fertilized greenhouse will use a new "Fertilizer" resource instead of "Waste". "Fertilizer" is made from "Waste" using a new part that also consumes electric charge. This adds constraints to using the fertilized mode which are still fair and interesting imo

surreal bridge Nov 23, 2023, 9:45 PM

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All the new container parts, I think I'll release those before the fertilizer rework

surreal bridge Nov 23, 2023, 10:07 PM

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Oops I had to enable git lfs, this mod is going to start getting large in terms of file size

silver jungle Nov 23, 2023, 10:08 PM

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damn, what kind of files do you have that are that big?

surreal bridge Nov 23, 2023, 10:08 PM

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the bundle

silver jungle Nov 23, 2023, 10:09 PM

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oh

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I just wouldn't put that into the repo at all tbh

surreal bridge Nov 23, 2023, 10:09 PM

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Oh fair

silver jungle Nov 23, 2023, 10:09 PM

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if you have the source Unity project in it, it's kinda redundant

surreal bridge Nov 23, 2023, 10:24 PM

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The SpaceDock upload is gonna take a while klueless

boreal perch Nov 23, 2023, 10:38 PM

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surreal bridge All the new container parts, I think I'll release those before the fertilizer re...

Those all look amazing, well done!

surreal bridge Nov 23, 2023, 10:38 PM

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boreal perch Those all look amazing, well done!

Thanks a lot!

surreal bridge Nov 29, 2023, 8:50 PM

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surreal bridge Had an idea: Right now the greenhouse has two modes: "fertilized" and "unfertil...

M-size composter

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boreal perch Nov 29, 2023, 11:16 PM

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surreal bridge

Will composters become an exclusive seperate part or will they also still be integrated into the bio hab? Looks great btw!

surreal bridge Nov 29, 2023, 11:18 PM

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Separate part I think, this way it'll add a "cost" to using the "Fertilized" mode for greenhouses (also it'll make for more visually interesting stations and bases ahah)

boreal perch Nov 30, 2023, 1:52 AM

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sounds like a fun mechanic!

surreal bridge Nov 30, 2023, 6:04 PM

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surreal bridge

I wanted to work on the textures for this right now but I forgor I didn't do the UV unwrap nooooooooo

surreal bridge Nov 30, 2023, 8:16 PM

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surreal bridge I wanted to work on the textures for this right now but I forgor I didn't do the...

lgtm

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But now I can't texture cause I have TTRPG night

sudden oriole Nov 30, 2023, 8:51 PM

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surreal bridge But now I can't texture cause I have TTRPG night

What game?

surreal bridge Nov 30, 2023, 8:51 PM

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INS/MV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Nomine_Satanis/Magna_Veritas)

In Nomine Satanis/Magna Veritas

In Nomine Satanis/Magna Veritas is a French role-playing game, created by Croc. In Nomine Satanis ("In Satan's Name") was the Demonic player's guide and Magna Veritas ("The Great Truth") was the Angelic player's guide.
In Nomine Satanis/Magna Veritas (often abbreviated as INS/MV) was first designed by the French company Siroz, as of 2003 availab...

sudden oriole Nov 30, 2023, 8:51 PM

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Interesting, never heard of it till now

surreal bridge Nov 30, 2023, 8:52 PM

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I'm not even sure there are English translations of it ahah

sudden oriole Nov 30, 2023, 8:53 PM

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Darn french people getting the cool rpgs

surreal bridge Nov 30, 2023, 8:54 PM

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surreal bridge I'm not even sure there are English translations of it ahah

Ah apparently there is, but knowing the age of the game it's probably a bit hard to find

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https://arianedartagnan.wordpress.com/rpg-tales/in-nomine-satanis-magna-veritas-english-translation/

Ariane d'Artagnan

arianedartagnan

In Nomine Satanis/Magna Veritas (English Translation)

This is my fan translation of In Nomine Satanis/Magna Veritas, also known as INS/MV, a satirical French tabletop RPG about the battle between the forces of Good and Evil. In INS, you play as a dem…

sudden oriole Nov 30, 2023, 8:55 PM

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Tomorrow is ttrpg night for me, and we are playing plain old 5e

surreal bridge Nov 30, 2023, 8:55 PM

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Nice! I need to get back into some DnD at some point

sudden oriole Nov 30, 2023, 8:55 PM

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Well, somewhat modified 5e in some regards but yeah

silver jungle Nov 30, 2023, 8:56 PM

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surreal bridge INS/MV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Nomine_Satanis/Magna_Veritas)

that sounds really fun from the description

sudden oriole Nov 30, 2023, 8:57 PM

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We should have a ksp2ms ttrpg night ~~save me~~

silver jungle Nov 30, 2023, 8:57 PM

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I wish I got into TTRPGs, I've never had a friend group that would be interested in it

sudden oriole Nov 30, 2023, 8:58 PM

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sudden oriole We should have a ksp2ms ttrpg night ~~save me~~

Though a one shot or something with some of the people here would be cool

surreal bridge Dec 2, 2023, 5:01 PM

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surreal bridge lgtm

composter

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The new balancing I had in mind for M inline long greenhouse:

Unfertilized: produces enough Food for 2 Kerbals
Fertilized: Produces Food for 4 Kerbals, consumes the amount of Fertilizer produced by 0.5 M inline Composter (so with 1 composter and 2 greenhouses you can cover the needs of 8 Kerbals)

surreal bridge Dec 8, 2023, 8:24 AM

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Alright I need to get back into the motivation to work on my mods, so here are my plans for KLSS before 0.2.0 drops:

Release the composter update
Add correct transfer of resources to and from EVA
Add Kerbal "strike" mechanic that'll replace death in normal mode
Go over the balance of the currently released stuff

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For the strike mechanic, when Kerbals run out of a resource for long enough they will no longer be able to pilot a vessel (I'll do that by increasing the minimum command crew of the command pod they're in)
They'll however still be able to go into EVA otherwise it'd be nearly impossible to rescue Kerbals stranded in EVA (and it makes the feature much easier to implement ahah)

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Later on, Kerbals on strike will not be able to perform experiments either

surreal bridge Dec 10, 2023, 6:19 PM

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Urgh the resource flow request system is a pain

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Doing singular resource requests is annoying, I have to go quite low-level

surreal bridge Dec 10, 2023, 6:23 PM

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surreal bridge Doing singular resource requests is annoying, I have to go quite low-level

ResourceContainerGroup.AddResourceUnits and RemoveResourceUnits to the rescue

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yeah!

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(the pod started with 7d of supplies, the transfer was successful)

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now to test all the many possible edge cases 🥹

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Lgtm, I'm gonna release an update with this + the composter

maiden mesa Dec 20, 2023, 5:51 AM

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so excited for this to come to 0.2!

surreal bridge Dec 20, 2023, 8:06 AM

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I'll try to publish an update with the parts tech tree node placement tonight. I'll also work on the known issue of no LS resource consumption for background craft asap

maiden mesa Dec 20, 2023, 8:14 AM

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:0 awesome :)

sudden oriole Dec 20, 2023, 3:59 PM

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Btw once you add the parts tech tree node placement stuff, I might make a pull request for Where's My Crew Capsule support once I finish that mod

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It'll be using the new config system :p

surreal bridge Dec 20, 2023, 4:01 PM

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I'll try to use configs directly then to make it easier!

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One thing I'm realizing is that the tech tree is already quite packed, we'll need ways to zoom out and / or pan tabs for heavily modded installs

sudden oriole Dec 20, 2023, 4:02 PM

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Yeah, @void fiber is working on that IIRC

void fiber Dec 20, 2023, 4:10 PM

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yep #1186780327054684320

surreal bridge Dec 20, 2023, 4:23 PM

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surreal bridge I'll try to use configs directly then to make it easier!

I'll probably have 3 configs (for now then) I imagine:

WMCC found: WMCC placement
Community Tech Tree Found: placement in potential new nodes in CTT
default: placed in stock nodes
(If I understood how configs work correctly)

surreal bridge Dec 20, 2023, 8:54 PM

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@sudden oriole sorry to bother you, but how should I go about doing my tech tree patches to make it as easy as possible to add integrations with other tech tree mods?

sudden oriole Dec 20, 2023, 8:54 PM

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surreal bridge <@299685147220115457> sorry to bother you, but how should I go about doing my te...

Just add them to the nodes, WMCC is going to be unreasonable and clear out every node that it has configs for

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but in most cases where you aren't doing a tech tree overhaul like that, you can just add them to the node normally

surreal bridge Dec 20, 2023, 8:57 PM

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So to add KLSS parts to WMCC you'd do whole new patches just in a stage later than the base mod's ones?

sudden oriole Dec 20, 2023, 8:57 PM

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surreal bridge So to add KLSS parts to WMCC you'd do whole new patches just in a stage later th...

I'll have KLSS define/update configs for WMCC

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but, you can also just do it like you said

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I could set that up for you

surreal bridge Dec 20, 2023, 8:58 PM

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sudden oriole I could set that up for you

I'd love some simple example code, I still need to fully wrap my head around configs

sudden oriole Dec 20, 2023, 8:59 PM

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surreal bridge I'd love some simple example code, I still need to fully wrap my head around con...

I'll make a PR to add your parts to WMCCs configs after I finish it, as I need to define the structure for WMCC still

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That way, I get to test my ideas, and you get example code

surreal bridge Dec 20, 2023, 9:00 PM

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Okok, I'll do "naive" patches for stock tech tree in the meantime then

sudden oriole Dec 20, 2023, 9:00 PM

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aight

pastel plover Dec 21, 2023, 6:28 PM

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Doing some double-checking with trying to narrow down when he dissapears

surreal bridge Dec 21, 2023, 6:30 PM

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Oh I might have an idea as to why this happens

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Lemme check something real quick

pastel plover Dec 21, 2023, 6:30 PM

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Well that's good news, cause since I'm switching craft now he won't dissapear 😂

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📎 SoilRocketScientist_wRev_Load.zip

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I have some mods installed (obviously) but they shouldn't be needed for this I would assume. Can give full list if you think it'd help

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They both are still there now after way more warping then I did before the times they disappeared and still have supplies

surreal bridge Dec 21, 2023, 6:35 PM

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surreal bridge Oh I might have an idea as to why this happens

Ok my idea led to nothing

pastel plover Dec 21, 2023, 6:35 PM

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F

surreal bridge Dec 21, 2023, 6:35 PM

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Let me know if you encounter the issue again in the future

pastel plover Dec 21, 2023, 6:36 PM

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I can try and recreate it but not sure what info I can give you from it

surreal bridge Dec 21, 2023, 6:36 PM

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Reproduction steps would be great (what are the vessels like, in what order were they laucnhed, how did the missions go, etc...)

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In the meantime I'll play around with the mod on my own time to try and find similar issues

pastel plover Dec 21, 2023, 6:37 PM

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Well, I can give the rundown (you can also see the current state in the save if you'd like)

surreal bridge Dec 21, 2023, 6:38 PM

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pastel plover Well, I can give the rundown (you can also see the current state in the save if ...

Is there a specific save in the save file which is right before the issue?

pastel plover Dec 21, 2023, 6:38 PM

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1: Launch together from Kerbin (both kerbals in lander cans)
2: Go to Mun
3: One lander can went down to Mun surface for a mission
4: Lander can back to orbit
5: Trying to randevouze without Flight Plan and getting frustrated ( 😂 )
6: Manage randevouze only to realize Jeb is gone from the rocket in orbit but still have about half of food/water/o2

pastel plover Dec 21, 2023, 6:39 PM

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surreal bridge Is there a specific save in the save file which is right before the issue?

Should be the newest quick save I'd say. If that doesn't show I can hit a propper save right after the quick load and then send you that instead

surreal bridge Dec 21, 2023, 6:39 PM

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I'll look into what I have first, but thanks for all the info!

pastel plover Dec 21, 2023, 6:40 PM

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It's a great mod so if I can do some simple typing of English to give you an idea of what might cause an issue, I'll take it!

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I can't do more then enjoy and break mods 😂

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I managed to reproduce it

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Just sat in the ship called "default name-8" utill about MET: 3d 6h

surreal bridge Dec 21, 2023, 6:45 PM

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Yep I reproduced it too, I suspect it is linked to the known "no supplies consumption in the background" issue

pastel plover Dec 21, 2023, 6:45 PM

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Did you reproduce it without any other mods installed? If not I can do that just to make sure there's not some weird conflict happening somewhere

surreal bridge Dec 21, 2023, 6:47 PM

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pastel plover Did you reproduce it without any other mods installed? If not I can do that just...

I highly doubt this is related to mod conflict, if it is what I think it just requires a small update (which depends on the next version of Space Warp)

pastel plover Dec 21, 2023, 6:48 PM

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I doubt it as well but I was just offering so you didn't have to tbh

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Shame it has a dependencie for a fix, hopefully it doesn't become too prevalent

pastel plover Dec 21, 2023, 9:01 PM

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It kept happening for me in new situations, I disabled it for now, I had the panel up and watched them dissapear in realtime

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Hopefully the SW updated comes soon ™️

surreal bridge Dec 21, 2023, 9:03 PM

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It should be coming very soon

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Hopefully new version in the next few hours

pastel plover Dec 21, 2023, 9:04 PM

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Very nice, it seemed really well made so definitely looking forward to it!

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Just gotta pretend that I have it installed untill tomorrow for me then 🙂 (EUer)

radiant jay Dec 21, 2023, 10:00 PM

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where are the snacks and everything in the tech tree l

surreal bridge Dec 21, 2023, 10:01 PM

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radiant jay where are the snacks and everything in the tech tree l

The first storage part is in the first "Survivability" node, the other parts are sprinkled all over

radiant jay Dec 21, 2023, 10:01 PM

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maybe i'm blind , i'll check again tomorrow

surreal bridge Dec 21, 2023, 10:02 PM

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Did you install the latest version of the mod?

radiant jay Dec 21, 2023, 10:03 PM

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idk

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i used ckan

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maybe not

upper parcel Dec 22, 2023, 9:31 AM

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Looking forward to having this installed with For Science! Will be getting close to a proper Kerbal experience. 💪

radiant jay Dec 22, 2023, 11:40 AM

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@surreal bridge what version is your mod currently in ?

silver jungle Dec 22, 2023, 11:43 AM

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https://discord.com/channels/1078696971088433153/1169303383346262127

radiant jay Dec 22, 2023, 5:18 PM

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Today i did my first docking since for science and it was wth a life support ressources module for bill that is alone in the first module of my kss

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(bill need food caus is just installed the mod and he was in space before food was invented)

surreal bridge Dec 22, 2023, 5:19 PM

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radiant jay Today i did my first docking since for science and it was wth a life support res...

Nice! Kerbals do be hungry ahah

radiant jay Dec 22, 2023, 5:20 PM

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oh cool now background craft consumes ressources

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so i did not do that for nothing

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Moarrr than 100 food supplies for bill

surreal bridge Dec 22, 2023, 5:21 PM

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radiant jay oh cool now background craft consumes ressources

Yes, I really wanted to get that fix out before going home (without access to a windows PC). Cheese, munix and Falki really carried me for this update with all the work done in Space Warp

radiant jay Dec 22, 2023, 5:21 PM

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radiant jay Moarrr than 100 food supplies for bill

(lets hope food wont naturaly go bad after a time)

surreal bridge Dec 22, 2023, 5:21 PM

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radiant jay (lets hope food wont naturaly go bad after a time)

It doesn't ahah, that would be very annoying

radiant jay Dec 22, 2023, 5:22 PM

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surreal bridge Yes, I really wanted to get that fix out before going home (without access to a ...

how did you even do that without a pc ?

surreal bridge Dec 22, 2023, 5:22 PM

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radiant jay how did you even do that without a pc ?

Ah no I go home tomorrow, right now I'm on my Windows desktop but after tomorrow and for a week I'll only have my Manjaro Linux laptop with me

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And I definitely did not want to try and find out how to setup a mod development environment on linux

radiant jay Dec 22, 2023, 5:23 PM

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oh i missunderstand

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yea that makes more sense

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i thought you didnt have acces to any pc

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Actually not bill , bob

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bill died a long time ago

sudden oriole Dec 22, 2023, 5:29 PM

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@surreal bridge when a kerbal dies, it should convert into LS resources for the other kerbals

surreal bridge Dec 22, 2023, 5:29 PM

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radiant jay Actually not bill , bob

Ah I spot some UI style issues, I'll fix those next year

sudden oriole Dec 22, 2023, 5:29 PM

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so every time life support runs out, a single kerbal dies, and then the other kerbals consume the dead kerbal for food water and oxygen

radiant jay Dec 22, 2023, 5:29 PM

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surreal bridge Ah I spot some UI style issues, I'll fix those next year

which ones?

radiant jay Dec 22, 2023, 5:30 PM

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sudden oriole so every time life support runs out, a single kerbal dies, and then the other ke...

how do you make oxygen fron kerbal

sudden oriole Dec 22, 2023, 5:30 PM

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Kerbal electrolysis

radiant jay Dec 22, 2023, 5:30 PM

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Water i can still understand but oxygen ?

surreal bridge Dec 22, 2023, 5:30 PM

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sudden oriole <@192177564800909312> when a kerbal dies, it should convert into LS resources fo...

Cheeeeese, no soylent green in KLSS 😠
Feel free to mod my mod if you want to add this however klueless

surreal bridge Dec 22, 2023, 5:30 PM

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radiant jay which ones?

The name of the second craft is too wide and overlaps with the Food column

sudden oriole Dec 22, 2023, 5:31 PM

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surreal bridge Cheeeeese, no soylent green in KLSS 😠 Feel free to mod my mod if you want to a...

but its tastyyyyyyyyy

radiant jay Dec 22, 2023, 5:31 PM

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will there be a way to hide some modules (like uncrewed ones?)

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caus i dont realy care about how long can the none existing kerbals will live

surreal bridge Dec 22, 2023, 5:31 PM

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radiant jay will there be a way to hide some modules (like uncrewed ones?)

I didn't think of this, I'll add that to my backlog 👍

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I'll probably want to do a big revamp of this UI at some point, to add the ability to sort & filter vessels for example

radiant jay Dec 22, 2023, 5:35 PM

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wait is there a difficluy setting in your mod ?

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like choosing if kerbals dies or just deep sleep

surreal bridge Dec 22, 2023, 5:36 PM

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radiant jay like choosing if kerbals dies or just deep sleep

Not yet, it's one of the items with the highest priority for future features

radiant jay Dec 22, 2023, 5:36 PM

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so what happends now ?

surreal bridge Dec 22, 2023, 5:36 PM

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radiant jay so what happends now ?

They die

radiant jay Dec 22, 2023, 5:36 PM

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just food = alive , not food = no alive

surreal bridge Dec 22, 2023, 5:36 PM

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radiant jay just food = alive , not food = no alive

After a short delay, yes

radiant jay Dec 22, 2023, 5:36 PM

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ok

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so they do not sleep ?

surreal bridge Dec 22, 2023, 5:37 PM

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No

radiant jay Dec 22, 2023, 5:37 PM

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or become useless

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ok

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i thought i saw that somewhere, so that might be in future version todo or something like that

surreal bridge Dec 22, 2023, 5:37 PM

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surreal bridge After a short delay, yes

(they survive 30 days without food, 3 days without water or 2h without oxygen)

surreal bridge Dec 22, 2023, 5:37 PM

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radiant jay i thought i saw that somewhere, so that might be in future version todo or somet...

Yeah probably in the Planned Features

sudden oriole Dec 22, 2023, 5:38 PM

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damn, they can breath for a long time

surreal bridge Dec 22, 2023, 5:38 PM

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sudden oriole damn, they can breath for a long time

Kerbals are all pro freedivers klueless

radiant jay Dec 22, 2023, 5:39 PM

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do they consume in eva?

sudden oriole Dec 22, 2023, 5:39 PM

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Yes

radiant jay Dec 22, 2023, 5:39 PM

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do they consume oxygene on kerbin eva?

surreal bridge Dec 22, 2023, 5:40 PM

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radiant jay do they consume oxygene on kerbin eva?

Yes, also something I want to address at some point

pastel plover Dec 22, 2023, 6:31 PM

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Super hyped about the issues I ran into yesterday is already fixed, that went faster then I expected! Looking forward to enable it again for this evenings space session! Thanks for all the work you and you guys did over in the Space Warp chat yesterday.

solar yarrow Dec 23, 2023, 2:53 PM

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Idea: kerbonaut logging/history, so you can more easily track what happened to your 'nauts. You can click somewhere and see something like "[UT] Kerbal 'name surname' in 'vessel name' died because oxygen ran out.

surreal bridge Dec 23, 2023, 2:54 PM

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solar yarrow Idea: kerbonaut logging/history, so you can more easily track what happened to y...

Good idea, I'll write that down

radiant jay Dec 23, 2023, 2:56 PM

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And also every other kerbal that died , like crashed in the first mun mission with his friends.

sudden oriole Dec 24, 2023, 2:31 AM

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@surreal bridge so I'm going to write WMCC patches for KLSS, but it'll basically be the same as the naive stock patches except it runs after WMCC

nimble mango Dec 24, 2023, 2:51 AM

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what does the conversion rate slider do

nimble mango Dec 24, 2023, 5:22 AM

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hmm, my pilot is seemingly randomly dying when the life support screen says I have plenty of time. do I need to transfer resources from the storage into the pod?

surreal bridge Dec 24, 2023, 6:43 AM

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nimble mango what does the conversion rate slider do

It's like the level of power given to the recycler, how much recycling it does

surreal bridge Dec 24, 2023, 6:43 AM

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nimble mango hmm, my pilot is seemingly randomly dying when the life support screen says I ha...

At zero time warp? Do you have the latest version of the mod?

nimble mango Dec 24, 2023, 6:44 AM

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ah, not at zero

surreal bridge Dec 24, 2023, 6:44 AM

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Was it happening at high time warp?

nimble mango Dec 24, 2023, 6:46 AM

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not super high, I was warping to my capture burn at minmus

surreal bridge Dec 24, 2023, 6:47 AM

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There seem to be some issues with time warping (probably due to some precision errors in the calculations)
I'll look into it after the holidays

maiden mesa Dec 24, 2023, 7:13 AM

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would you say that the mod is at a state where is a viable for a full exploration playthrough?

surreal bridge Dec 24, 2023, 7:25 AM

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I haven't tested it personally (especially the position of the parts within the tech tree) but it should be pretty stable
And in any case you can turn the supplies consumption all the way to zero at any point if you feel the difficulty is too high

maiden mesa Dec 24, 2023, 7:29 AM

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cool, thanks

surreal bridge Dec 24, 2023, 7:30 AM

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But be aware there seem to be issues at high time warp, I don't know the details yet but as always, frequent quicksaves save the day

maiden mesa Dec 24, 2023, 7:37 AM

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I'll keep an eye out, thanks

radiant jay Dec 24, 2023, 9:07 PM

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radiant jay And also every other kerbal that died , like crashed in the first mun mission wi...

ok i know this may be getting out of the ''Life Support System'' mod , but missions report history and like recap would be also cool

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But its going to be much more complicated if any docking is involved

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.
Maybe Something like this:
KSS Mission

Dawn Module Launched to LKO
Unit Module was lunched , Tim and Bill flu in this mission ...
-- Unit and Dawn docked
-- Bill died in the [Combined-1] ..
-- .....
-- Tim returned to kerbin , he experienced a maximum of 3G , he travelled a lot of km ..... ..... He's mission span is 3months ...
Another module was launched .....

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I should have posted this in mod idear tho

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Oh and more related to your mod , your custom parts icon in VAB looks a bit bigger than others.

maiden mesa Dec 26, 2023, 6:53 AM

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The mod is working out very well on my playthrough; however, I think that the placement on the tech tree might be slightly off

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or atleast intended for a lot more probes to be launched

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A trip to duna, which is a relatively early game thing, takes 2.6 years in total, meaning that I need to be about halfway in the tier 2 tech tree for crewed duna missions to become viable

surreal bridge Dec 26, 2023, 9:12 AM

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Thanks for the feedback! I'll try to shuffle things around (and also play exploration with my mod myself at some point) to make it better balanced

radiant jay Dec 26, 2023, 9:50 AM

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For me (never played ksp1 and havnt got very far before for science) it's good enoth so far , i'm half way down the 2nd page of the tech tree and i'm still exploring mun and minmus , and for those explorations i just snap a buch of basic Live Suport module and it's good enoth .

sudden oriole Dec 29, 2023, 12:47 PM

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@surreal bridge

surreal bridge Dec 29, 2023, 12:51 PM

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Ohhhh, how are those chosen to be featured?

sudden oriole Dec 29, 2023, 12:51 PM

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surreal bridge Ohhhh, how are those chosen to be featured?

By me :3

surreal bridge Dec 29, 2023, 12:52 PM

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Well thanks for the feature then!

sudden oriole Dec 29, 2023, 12:52 PM

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You are welcome!

surreal bridge Dec 30, 2023, 2:46 PM

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Note for update: #🔴mod-dev message

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 12:29 PM

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Back home & well rested after the new year, time to go through the long backlog of bug reports lol

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 1:40 PM

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@silver jungle I don't have the correct layers in Unity for drag cubes and stuff like that, do you know what could be causing that?

silver jungle Jan 3, 2024, 1:41 PM

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you may have imported KSP2 with the options set to Nothing

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you'll need Everything

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 1:41 PM

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Ahh yeah probably done that when TK was broken

silver jungle Jan 3, 2024, 1:41 PM

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it's fixed in this version of ThunderKit: #1167427437685117000 message

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 1:48 PM

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silver jungle you'll need Everything

Hmm I have set it to Everything and reimported the game a few times, still no dice

silver jungle Jan 3, 2024, 1:49 PM

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did you try just completely removing the package and importing?

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 1:49 PM

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silver jungle did you try just completely removing the package and importing?

The game's package?

silver jungle Jan 3, 2024, 1:49 PM

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yeah

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 1:49 PM

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lemme try

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 1:56 PM

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silver jungle did you try just completely removing the package and importing?

Still nothing, I don't want to recreate another new Unity project from scratch nooooooooo

silver jungle Jan 3, 2024, 1:56 PM

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ok no that doesn't seem to work

silver jungle Jan 3, 2024, 1:56 PM

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surreal bridge Still nothing, I don't want to recreate another new Unity project from scratch <...

I don't think that will help tbh

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 1:56 PM

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Could I just create the layer #29 with the correct name?

silver jungle Jan 3, 2024, 1:57 PM

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you could try

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but at this point I'm not even sure if this version of KSP2 uses it anymore

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 1:58 PM

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Like, the absence of 20+ layers would be intended?

silver jungle Jan 3, 2024, 1:59 PM

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yeah no it still uses it

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but it seems like ThunderKit just doesn't want to import them

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 1:59 PM

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Well in the meantime I'll just add the layer 29 manually

silver jungle Jan 3, 2024, 2:00 PM

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you should be fine just setting them to 29, the name probably doesn't even matter

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 2:01 PM

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Alright, next step, figuring out reentry meshes and stuff

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 7:45 PM

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hmm

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Ok this is definitely caused by the drag thingy and not the reentry thingy

silver jungle Jan 3, 2024, 7:53 PM

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that's actually just a stock bug

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I'm pretty sure it means the little cube that you use to change view

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 7:54 PM

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Ah okay unrelated then

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@half minnow sorry for the repeated questions, how did you setup Drag for your parts mod?

half minnow Jan 3, 2024, 7:55 PM

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still working on it

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it wasnt working right

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 7:55 PM

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Were your parts disappearing also?

sudden oriole Jan 3, 2024, 7:55 PM

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Next up I want to look at adding the KLSS parts into WMCC

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but I'll do that possibly another day

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It'd basically be the same as adding to the stock tech tree for you though

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 7:56 PM

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surreal bridge Ok this is definitely caused by the drag thingy and not the reentry thingy

I might just not add drag to the parts until we figure it out in a stable way, I doubt it will have that much of an impact anyways

sudden oriole Jan 3, 2024, 7:56 PM

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just change whatever nodes you use to (,wmcc_...)

errant sandal Jan 3, 2024, 7:57 PM

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Safarte any error in log ?

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 7:57 PM

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errant sandal Safarte any error in log ?

Nothing that looks related to rendering

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How did you do the Drag setup for the KESA parts?

errant sandal Jan 3, 2024, 7:58 PM

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Drag cube ?

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 7:58 PM

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errant sandal Drag cube ?

yeah

errant sandal Jan 3, 2024, 7:58 PM

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Manual

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 7:59 PM

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Ah! Do you have a script or something that did the computations?

errant sandal Jan 3, 2024, 7:59 PM

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No

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I didn't test actualy

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 8:08 PM

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better, no drag but at least it's not invisible lol

errant sandal Jan 3, 2024, 8:10 PM

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what solves the problem ?

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 8:10 PM

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Not putting the meshes in render layer 29

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(the one supposed to be for auto drag cube render)

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but my reentry doesn't work nooooooooo

errant sandal Jan 3, 2024, 8:15 PM

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You made meshes for lod ?

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 8:15 PM

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errant sandal You made meshes for lod ?

Yes

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errant sandal Jan 3, 2024, 8:17 PM

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Only lod_reentry id not active ?

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 8:17 PM

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errant sandal Only lod_reentry id not active ?

yep

errant sandal Jan 3, 2024, 8:17 PM

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Damned

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You made a material with reentry shader and thé texture i sent ?

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 8:18 PM

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errant sandal You made a material with reentry shader and thé texture i sent ?

yes

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if I activate I see the mesh in Unity

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it has the shader

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shader

errant sandal Jan 3, 2024, 8:18 PM

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Everything seem ok

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Scale 110 is normal ?

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 8:26 PM

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errant sandal Scale 110 is normal ?

Hmmm I might have goofed up something, lemme check

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 8:32 PM

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errant sandal Scale 110 is normal ?

Linked to how I export stuff from Blender I think, I have that for part meshes too and it leads to no issue

errant sandal Jan 3, 2024, 8:33 PM

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ok

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i don't understand, everything is ok

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in each lod gameobject, material is affected ? i don't see it on your screeeshot

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sorry

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it's ok

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 8:38 PM

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errant sandal in each lod gameobject, material is affected ? i don't see it on your screeeshot

Yep, just to make sure, the lod_reentry object can go anywhere in the hierarchy or does it need to be under model?

errant sandal Jan 3, 2024, 8:39 PM

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i put it under model

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i'm verifying

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no rules, sometime yes, sometime no

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did you put Reentry Mesh (script) component on lod_reentry ?

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2024-01-03_21_41_55-Kesa_Mod_-_SampleScene_-_Windows_Mac_Linux_-_Unity_2022.3.5f1___DX11_.png

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2024-01-03_21_43_48-Kesa_Mod_-_SampleScene_-_Windows_Mac_Linux_-_Unity_2022.3.5f1___DX11_.png

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 8:53 PM

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errant sandal

No I didn't ><

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That would explain why it doesn't work loool

errant sandal Jan 3, 2024, 9:00 PM

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hope so 😉

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 9:14 PM

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bit flaky but it works!

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I'll set up a wiki page explaining how to set up reentry meshes if I have the time tonight

errant sandal Jan 3, 2024, 9:16 PM

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Cool. Congrat !

half minnow Jan 3, 2024, 9:19 PM

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surreal bridge bit flaky but it works!

make sure the mesh is shaded smooth

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the effect probably relies heavily on the normals of the mesh ]

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 9:20 PM

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half minnow make sure the mesh is shaded smooth

Ohhh I'll try that

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 9:20 PM

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half minnow the effect probably relies heavily on the normals of the mesh ]

Makes sense

half minnow Jan 3, 2024, 9:20 PM

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also the reentry effect might need more geometry

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the stock meshes are very dense

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 9:21 PM

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I tried to go for LODs with 5k, 1k and 500 tris, should I go much higher?

half minnow Jan 3, 2024, 9:21 PM

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this is the geometry density for a stock part

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blender says it has 9340 tris

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 9:21 PM

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Ah yeah that's a lot

half minnow Jan 3, 2024, 9:21 PM

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(this is lod 0 i think)

surreal bridge Jan 3, 2024, 10:03 PM

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ah yeah that's better

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What no drag does to a part lol

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too late for the write-up tonight, will do tmrw

sudden oriole Jan 3, 2024, 11:19 PM

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@surreal bridge https://github.com/Safarte/KerbalLifeSupportSystem/pull/27

GitHub

Add support for WMCC by cheese3660 · Pull Request #27 · Safarte/Ker...

Add support for wmcc in stock_tech_tree.patch, though you can split this into another patch file if you wish

west gate Jan 4, 2024, 1:06 AM

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When I try to use resource manager to transfer food or waste it transfers a little but stops before it is done. Repeating has diminishing returns and it seems impossible to fully top off a docked craft from the mothership. Any ideas why? EC seems to transfer fully before stopping.

surreal bridge Jan 4, 2024, 1:35 PM

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sudden oriole <@192177564800909312> https://github.com/Safarte/KerbalLifeSupportSystem/pull/27

Commented

surreal bridge Jan 4, 2024, 1:35 PM

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west gate When I try to use resource manager to transfer food or waste it transfers a litt...

Hmm let me look into it

sudden oriole Jan 4, 2024, 1:35 PM

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surreal bridge Commented

Is github being weird for me?

surreal bridge Jan 4, 2024, 1:36 PM

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sudden oriole Is github being weird for me?

it seems so

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(unless I don't really understand how reviews work)

sudden oriole Jan 4, 2024, 1:36 PM

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surreal bridge it seems so

(pending)

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Anyways I did it

surreal bridge Jan 4, 2024, 1:38 PM

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sudden oriole (pending)

Ohhh I had to click Send Review or smthing, GH is not very clear here, anyways lgtm I'll merge that

surreal bridge Jan 4, 2024, 6:45 PM

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Hmmm what a glorious Reentry Test Vehicle

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yep, toasty

silver jungle Jan 4, 2024, 6:52 PM

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Oh god that looks cursed

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Lmao

surreal bridge Jan 4, 2024, 6:59 PM

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uh

solar yarrow Jan 4, 2024, 7:42 PM

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did... did that melt?!

sudden oriole Jan 4, 2024, 8:21 PM

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surreal bridge yep, toasty

I think the mesh generation needs some tuning, those LODs are quite noticeable

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otherwise pretty cool

surreal bridge Jan 4, 2024, 8:22 PM

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Some meshes are not perfect yeah

silver jungle Jan 4, 2024, 8:22 PM

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are they even supposed to be visible at all?

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I was assuming they would just be fully transparent

surreal bridge Jan 4, 2024, 8:22 PM

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Nah the issue is that on the part on the left the reentry mesh is too small so the base part sticks through it

silver jungle Jan 4, 2024, 8:23 PM

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I mean

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they all look like they're wrapped in white plastic

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I didn't notice that with Isa's engine for example

surreal bridge Jan 4, 2024, 8:23 PM

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silver jungle they all look like they're wrapped in white plastic

Isn't that just how the stock reentry looks?

silver jungle Jan 4, 2024, 8:24 PM

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something looks really off here

silver jungle Jan 4, 2024, 8:24 PM

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surreal bridge Isn't that just how the stock reentry looks?

maybe I'm just really blind?

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but I've never noticed anything that

surreal bridge Jan 4, 2024, 8:24 PM

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silver jungle something looks really off here

tbh this was going really really fast at a really low altitude (no drag)

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I'll try to compare it to other stuff

silver jungle Jan 4, 2024, 8:37 PM

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the stock effects always look transparent

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you can see the colors almost at all times

surreal bridge Jan 4, 2024, 8:37 PM

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At night too?

silver jungle Jan 4, 2024, 8:47 PM

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it only really gets white when the vessel is like completely burning up, and even then you can actually see the colors through it slightly

surreal bridge Jan 4, 2024, 8:50 PM

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Hmm I'll do some more tests with my parts inline with stock parts to see if I spot the issues

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Tomorrow

silver jungle Jan 4, 2024, 8:52 PM

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basically what it looks like to me is that the reentry mesh itself is becoming visible, when it should only be the flames

zinc tree Jan 4, 2024, 10:59 PM

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Just to throw this little thought in; I saw your initial resource flowchart included intake air making O2. Have you considered intake air on planets other than Kerbin making other gasses? Hydrogen scooping the Jool upper atmosphere? CO2 on Duna? Trace gas on nominally airless worlds?

surreal bridge Jan 5, 2024, 3:22 PM

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zinc tree Just to throw this little thought in; I saw your initial resource flowchart incl...

Hmm that would go outside of the scope of this mod for resources that are not life-support supplies imo

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let's do some reentry testing with Reentryinator-5000

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ok I have a feeling the issue might have more to do with the shader / how my material is set up rather than the meshes

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The trails are correct but my parts aren't getting lit up correctly

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@half minnow @errant sandal sorry for the pings, did you encounter similar issues?

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other example

errant sandal Jan 5, 2024, 3:34 PM

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Hy Safarte. No problem with the ping 🙂
I will make tests tomorow to see if this problem appears.

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i'm focus on my mods and not playing so much

surreal bridge Jan 5, 2024, 3:36 PM

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errant sandal i'm focus on my mods and not playing so much

Same, haven't even started playing the new Exploration mode yet

west gate Jan 6, 2024, 4:10 PM

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Hi! @surreal bridge just a head's up that there may be some issues with version 0.5.3. The science lab seems to work on existing vessels, but loading a ship with a science lab in the VAB hangs on the lab. It also hangs if you start from scratch when you try to add the science lab to a ship.

I also had issues downgrading... going from 0.5.3 to 0.5.2, it hangs when loading the save on one of the radial KLSS parts. To recover, I had to downgrade to 0.5.2 and then load a save from before the upgrade.

I'm good personally now (on v 0.5.2)

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 4:11 PM

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Ah yeah I see where this could be coming from

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urgh

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 4:21 PM

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west gate Hi! <@192177564800909312> just a head's up that there may be some issues with v...

A hotfix is being pushed rn, let me know if it fixes it when it's available

sudden oriole Jan 6, 2024, 4:21 PM

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What was the issue?

west gate Jan 6, 2024, 4:22 PM

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That was really quick! Love the mod, BTW!

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 4:22 PM

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sudden oriole What was the issue?

I forgor to properly remove the Module_ResourceCapacities, it was one problem at least

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 4:26 PM

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west gate Hi! <@192177564800909312> just a head's up that there may be some issues with v...

https://spacedock.info/mod/3485/Kerbal Life-Support System it's up now, could you try it?

west gate Jan 6, 2024, 4:29 PM

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I've been trying, but I'm only getting a 37MB file and it is corrupted.

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 4:29 PM

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west gate I've been trying, but I'm only getting a 37MB file and it is corrupted.

huh

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There was an issue where it was only a 26kB file, but now it should be the full 157MB file

west gate Jan 6, 2024, 4:30 PM

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When I downloaded it the first time, it said 37MB on the site, but now that has updated, it might be a caching thing

silver jungle Jan 6, 2024, 4:30 PM

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same problem

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SpaceDock says 157 MB, but it downloads instantly and is corrupted

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what the hell

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 4:31 PM

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I've broken SpaceDock nooooooooo

west gate Jan 6, 2024, 4:31 PM

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yep that is what it is for me too

sudden oriole Jan 6, 2024, 4:31 PM

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It downloads 36 megs for me

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 4:31 PM

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where does it get 36MB from nooooooooo

silver jungle Jan 6, 2024, 4:31 PM

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yeah that is what Windows says

sudden oriole Jan 6, 2024, 4:31 PM

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And android

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 4:32 PM

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Let me try to re-upload the file

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Reuploaded but it still tells me it's 36MB nooooooooo

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wtf

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I'll do a clean new release

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Why didn't the gh action take my bundles into account when uploading to SD nooooooooo

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I added them as LFS files

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(also when I try to delete the buggy release on SpaceDock I get a 500 error @sudden oriole )

silver jungle Jan 6, 2024, 4:41 PM

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I don't think I've ever seen SpaceDock deleting of releases work

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it's been broken as long as I remember

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 4:42 PM

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Ok latest release should be unbroken

silver jungle Jan 6, 2024, 4:42 PM

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I always just end up editing it to contain like an empty readme file saying that the release is broken, and changing the description

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it sucks

sudden oriole Jan 6, 2024, 4:42 PM

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surreal bridge Why didn't the gh action take my bundles into account when uploading to SD <:noo...

It uploads the same zip that it uploads to githib lifesupport

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 4:43 PM

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sudden oriole It uploads the same zip that it uploads to githib <:lifesupport:1144775591233589...

Yeah I know, but why didn't the .zip making process take my .bundle files into account?

silver jungle Jan 6, 2024, 4:43 PM

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sudden oriole It uploads the same zip that it uploads to githib <:lifesupport:1144775591233589...

which works fine

silver jungle Jan 6, 2024, 4:43 PM

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surreal bridge Yeah I know, but why didn't the .zip making process take my .bundle files into a...

it did, they are there in the 0.5.4 release on GitHub

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 4:44 PM

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silver jungle it did, they are there in the 0.5.4 release on GitHub

I added this by hand

silver jungle Jan 6, 2024, 4:44 PM

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ah

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and 0.5.3 as well I'm assuming then

sudden oriole Jan 6, 2024, 4:44 PM

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Then your msbuild actions arent copying them?

silver jungle Jan 6, 2024, 4:44 PM

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sounds more like git clone isn't downloading them

sudden oriole Jan 6, 2024, 4:44 PM

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lifesupport

silver jungle Jan 6, 2024, 4:45 PM

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or rather the checkout action

sudden oriole Jan 6, 2024, 4:45 PM

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Honestly what happens if you change that to a git clone and cd into that directory?

silver jungle Jan 6, 2024, 4:45 PM

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uh

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apparently you need to set a flag

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 4:46 PM

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yerah I need a with:lfs:true

silver jungle Jan 6, 2024, 4:46 PM

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I guess I should also add that to the template

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 4:46 PM

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@west gate could you check the latest release?

west gate Jan 6, 2024, 4:47 PM

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yep

sudden oriole Jan 6, 2024, 4:48 PM

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Anyways, back to attempting to make shoes

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I mean planets :p

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 4:49 PM

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Anyways, going out to eat, will be back in a few

silver jungle Jan 6, 2024, 4:50 PM

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Anyways, going back to play KSP

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munleyix

west gate Jan 6, 2024, 4:51 PM

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surreal bridge <@710886466519040020> could you check the latest release?

It works great! Thanks so much!!!

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 4:52 PM

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Great! I'm relieved it works cause otherwise I wouldn't have been able to fix it for a few hours ahah

west gate Jan 6, 2024, 4:52 PM

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Thanks for such a great mod too, I love KLSS!

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 5:17 PM

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Idea for later: look into how the u-dunk-it checks for underwater situation for potential water pump part

sudden oriole Jan 6, 2024, 6:19 PM

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@surreal bridge

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 8:04 PM

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Wut

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What's the 1:0.5.5

sudden oriole Jan 6, 2024, 8:08 PM

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Could be spacedock and github

surreal bridge Jan 6, 2024, 8:16 PM

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sudden oriole <@192177564800909312>

Also what are the implications of this? Is it something I need to look at asap or just having a clean new update later (not today) will be okay?

surreal bridge Jan 14, 2024, 3:31 PM

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Working on 0.5.6: adding drag for parts & fixing WMCC integration

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Next I think I'll work on 0.6.0 with a big UI refactor + adding in-game notifications

sudden oriole Jan 14, 2024, 10:21 PM

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surreal bridge Working on 0.5.6: adding drag for parts & fixing WMCC integration

WMCC integration was fixed with PM 0.9.2

surreal bridge Jan 17, 2024, 6:39 PM

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6 minutes long SpaceDock upload, I do not envy the folks who'll be uploading gigabyte sized planet packs

silver jungle Jan 17, 2024, 6:40 PM

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oh god

surreal bridge Jan 17, 2024, 6:40 PM

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surreal bridge 6 minutes long SpaceDock upload, I do not envy the folks who'll be uploading gig...

for a 160MB mod

silver jungle Jan 17, 2024, 6:40 PM

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no wonder that KSRSS is only available on its GitLab, for example

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but then, uploading to SpaceDock is not exactly necessary

surreal bridge Jan 17, 2024, 6:41 PM

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True true

silver jungle Jan 17, 2024, 6:41 PM

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since you can just use your GitHub repo for CKAN

surreal bridge Jan 17, 2024, 6:41 PM

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It's nice for visibility I guess, but it definitely isn't practical for big mods

silver jungle Jan 17, 2024, 6:42 PM

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yeaah

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and probably not very practical for Vitas either

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lifesupport

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considering the monthly Patreon "budget" for SpaceDock is like 40€

surreal bridge Jan 17, 2024, 7:50 PM

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Huh GitHub's limit for LFS for personal users is 1GB???

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Rip upload action for me

sudden oriole Jan 17, 2024, 8:18 PM

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@silver jungle how expensive would our own gitlab server be with a few terabytes of storage (/j)

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But yeah, thats way too small

surreal bridge Jan 17, 2024, 8:24 PM

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Especially since it's also a 1GB limit on bandwidth so a few pushes and SD uploads and it's over

sudden oriole Jan 17, 2024, 8:24 PM

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The docs say 2 GB for LFS

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I dont know if hammering spacedock with multiple gigabyte downloads is a great idea

surreal bridge Jan 17, 2024, 8:24 PM

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sudden oriole The docs say 2 GB for LFS

welp

sudden oriole Jan 17, 2024, 8:25 PM

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What the fuck is this bullshit

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1 GB bandwith limit

surreal bridge Jan 17, 2024, 8:25 PM

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sudden oriole I dont know if hammering spacedock with multiple gigabyte downloads is a great i...

My mod is still less than 200 megs, but yeah SD isn't made for multi-gigs mods definitely

sudden oriole Jan 17, 2024, 8:27 PM

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$5 per 50 gib a month

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Actually not horrible but sheesh

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Could at least give us 10 gib

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https://docs.github.com/en/billing/managing-billing-for-git-large-file-storage/about-billing-for-git-large-file-storage

GitHub Docs

About billing for Git Large File Storage - GitHub Docs

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Forking and pulling a repository counts against the parent repository's bandwidth limit.

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Excuse me ... what

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You are telling me we can dos someones repository by constantly pulling it?

silver jungle Jan 17, 2024, 10:06 PM

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husK

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what the hell

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suddenly GitLab doesn't seem so bad

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