Stellar Plasma-Assisted Rocket Kinetics (SPARK) | KSP2 Redux | Page 6

narrow gate Sep 5, 2023, 1:20 AM

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In theory I can do a Build > New Build > Default Build Script now and no harm would be done - I would not be baking the plumes into the addressables

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Even thought the plumes are all just X3 clones I want to see them working in the game so I can know that each engine really can produce thrust, is throttleable, and has some sort of plume in the correct postion (even if it's the wrong one for now).

chilly minnow Sep 5, 2023, 1:23 AM

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narrow gate In theory I can do a Build > New Build > Default Build Script now and no harm wo...

yup!

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also dont worry, evne if you apply the prefab, your parts will still load fine

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and everything will work fine

narrow gate Sep 5, 2023, 1:27 AM

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LOL, I applied the overrides, then kicked off a build, and now it's frozen.

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Back to it's old tricks!

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I can't even get it to let me take a ss

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I need to hit the sack. I'll work on this some more tomorrow.

narrow gate Sep 5, 2023, 10:55 AM

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Man! that was so frozen I had to power off then back on again! I let it go overnight just incase it was actually building, but when I checked it this morning the machien was in such a state I couldn't even bring up the task manager much less close any window, so I power cycled and have it the machine running. I did put a prior build into KSP2, so I'm able to at least fool around with these engines in flight for emissivity and plume. Here's the SPT-100

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That's at low throttle.

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The plume needs tweaking, but apparently this craft also needs bigger batteries or a nuke! When it went into Kerbin's shadow it died pretty quickly.

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Oh, my poor X2! Look at the tiny plume!

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Plume is now oddly offset from X3, but is otherwise scaled OK

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The plume on the X4 is also bizarrely scaled small

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The other odd thing I'm seeing here is that in the VAB I can't get the extended part info when I press shift. It pops up momentarily, then vanishes.

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This looks OK
[Info :Addressables Loader] Loading addressables for Stellar Plasma-Assisted Rocket Kinetics [Info :Addressables Loader] Found addressables for Stellar Plasma-Assisted Rocket Kinetics [Info :Space Warp] Attempting to load C:\Kerbal Space Program 2 Debug\BepInEx\plugins\SPARK\addressables\catalog.json [Info :Space Warp] Loaded addressables catalog C:\Kerbal Space Program 2 Debug\BepInEx\plugins\SPARK\addressables\catalog.json [Info :Space Warp] C:\Kerbal Space Program 2 Debug\BepInEx\plugins\SPARK\addressables\catalog.json ----- C:\Kerbal Space Program 2 Debug\BepInEx\plugins\SPARK\addressables\catalog.json [Info :Space Warp] Attempting to load localizations from C:\Kerbal Space Program 2 Debug\BepInEx\plugins\SPARK\localizations [Info :Space Warp] Loaded localizations from C:\Kerbal Space Program 2 Debug\BepInEx\plugins\SPARK\localizations [Info :com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_spt100.json] registering path "com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_spt100.json" [Info :com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_x2.json] registering path "com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_x2.json" [Info :com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_x3.json] registering path "com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_x3.json" [Info :com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_x4.json] registering path "com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_x4.json"

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📎 spark_x2.json 📎 spark_x3.json 📎 spark_x4.json 📎 spark_spt100.json

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My plume JSONs were all hand jamed a few days ago based on the X3 JSON. I expect this is the sorce of the weird placement and scaling, though I wasn't expecting weird placement for the X3 since it was working fine before.

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I'll compare these to what I made last night with the button in Unity...

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Yep, plenty of differences, in particular in position and scale - but also some huge differences in the Float Params where there was much more in the ones I posted above. Adopting the position, rotation, and scale from the new ones gave this for the X4

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So that one is OK other than needing a new 4-channel template.

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Likewise for the X3 - it's back to being just fine on plume

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The X2 is like the X4, just needs a new plue profile

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Same for SPT-100!

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Did I mention that I LOVE the fact that I can configure the plume like this without needing to rebuild?

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Whatever weirdness was causing the parts picker to not keep the extended info up is now gone.

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Could my build malfunction have have been related to "extra" file in the LFO configs folder? Would two configs claiming the same part cause it to mess up?

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narrow gate Sep 5, 2023, 1:09 PM

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Nope... That wasn't it. The last time this happened it was becuase one of my parts was borked after I'd fiddled with it (I was attempting to change the part name of the spark_spt100). The thing that got me unstuck was initially toggling that part off, and then ultimately rebuilding it - so I believe that Unity is just very finicky about some things and will hang if you get them wrong. This might be a completely different dumb thing than the last time, but it's probably something like it.

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My first guess would be to try to brank off the prefab variants into their own scene, but that's just a guess. I'll take a whack at that later. Need to go to work now.

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Well nuts... Now I can't even open the project.

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Try Again is no help, and Force Quit is also no help

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A few "cancels" later... And I'm back in

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I seem to have two Plumes in each prefab...

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I don't know what I'm doing here, so I'll stop now and go to work.

chilly minnow Sep 5, 2023, 2:44 PM

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narrow gate

you probably overrided the variant onto the prefab

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 12:32 AM

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chilly minnow you probably overrided the variant onto the prefab

What do I need to do to fix that?

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 12:33 AM

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chilly minnow you probably overrided the variant onto the prefab

Or, more precisely, what can I do to get back to a project where I can build?

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 12:50 AM

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Hey Isa, I'm trying to work out how you got the plume images from the ionthruster blend. Looking at this image above I think I see a yellow frame that is a camera perhaps, and then the cube is squished a lot in the axis the camera is oriented on, and then maybe you've pulled a face away from the cube???

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Am I understanding your process correctly?

serene abyss Sep 6, 2023, 12:51 AM

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the extra face on the side is to keep it from collapsing the plume into the smaller cube

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so that i can get a cross section

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 12:54 AM

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So for me starting from ionthruster.blend I need to add a camera oriented directly at a face of the cube, squish the cube along that axis, then then place a face off to the side? I'm not clear on why that face works the way you've described, but I understand I need it.

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Is this a start?

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Or maybe this?

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serene abyss Sep 6, 2023, 12:58 AM

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render in 256x512

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and make sure edge of cube lines up with edge of camera

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also make sure camera is orthographic to eliminate perspective distortion

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 12:59 AM

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I only see one dimension for render, so I set it to 256

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How do I "make sure edge of cube lines up with edge of camera"?

serene abyss Sep 6, 2023, 1:00 AM

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nop thats samples

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go to camera tab at the bottom of the panel

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uou can adjust resolution there

serene abyss Sep 6, 2023, 1:01 AM

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narrow gate How do I "make sure edge of cube lines up with edge of camera"?

press 0 on num pad

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and uou can see edge of camera

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make sure to set it as orthographic

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:02 AM

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serene abyss Sep 6, 2023, 1:02 AM

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wait nvm i was wrong resolution isnt there

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go to the button just under render settings

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the one with the picture being printed

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:03 AM

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Looks like I'm rotated

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This is rotated off by 90 isn't it?

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How do I get the dang camera rotated? When I change it's rotation all I seem to do is change the direction it's pointed, but not the actual rotation?

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:15 AM

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change the pivot

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to median point maybe

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narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:41 AM

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chilly minnow

OK, I got the camera orientation sorted, and I've set it so that the sides of the cube line up with the camera view

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Presumably I need the top to line up with the top of the cube?

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And don't I need it to be showing me just half of the pattern?

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:43 AM

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it should be only half of it

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so you can scale it by 2 on all axis

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and like it up

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and yeah, preferably the top part lines up

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:45 AM

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OK, this is ortho scale 4

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And this is orto scale 2

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And this is panning the camera over by 0.5 m!

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chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:47 AM

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looks great!

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:47 AM

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Maybe not as great as wehn Isa did it, but I think I'm closing in on it

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When I can get as good an image as he was getting then I'll be ready to play with the BSplines for the otehr engines

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Really not that bad!

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:51 AM

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narrow gate Maybe not as great as wehn Isa did it, but I think I'm closing in on it

looks just as good

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:10 PM

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chilly minnow looks just as good

OK, this is working pretty well! At least for the SPT-100 and the X2. I've also tweaked the X3 a bit. These look like this

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:11 PM

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narrow gate OK, this is working pretty well! At least for the SPT-100 and the X2. I've also ...

the pure white on the 1st one might cause you problems

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:11 PM

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That said, I seem to be struggling with getting 4 concentric rings

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:11 PM

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also, they should be on a black background!

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but im guessing thats a blender ss right?

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:12 PM

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narrow gate That said, I seem to be struggling with getting 4 concentric rings

how so?

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:12 PM

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I wonder what I've done to f-up the black bkgrnd? Anyway, here's what I get playing with the X4

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but first.. Here's the lovely SPT-100

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I've got the model just outside of the camera's view so I can line up the ring plumes

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Here's X4

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chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:15 PM

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narrow gate

it seems right, no?

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:15 PM

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The B-Splines look like I'd get 4 spikes, but look at the view with the model!

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:15 PM

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also dw, you need to render those views so thy have a black background

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:16 PM

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It's more like 3 spikes, not placed wuite right, and a giifed up cathode - though I've not messed with it at all

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:16 PM

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just make it blacker on the middle of the splines that make those 2 rings

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or better

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:16 PM

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The pngs posted above were direct from renders.

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:16 PM

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maybe make the cube slimer

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:16 PM

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narrow gate The pngs posted above were direct from renders.

hmm wierd, then we'll need Isa's help

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wait

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are you pressing F12?

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or just switching to rendered view?

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:17 PM

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chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:17 PM

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yeah make it a bit slimmer like half that

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:17 PM

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I was using approximately the same aspect as Isa had, X=20%, Y=100, Z=100

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I have the same aspect on the others which look OK, but of course it's trivial to change. I'll do that rn

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Here it is with X=10%

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chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:20 PM

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ideally you'd use the slimest profile possible

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since it will be rotated 360º

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imagine like this

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if you pick a infinitessimaly thin profile

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you'll get the best fidelity to whats on blender

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w/o much noise

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:20 PM

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The render projects it to a plane anyway, right?

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I mean the png is only 2D

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:20 PM

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yeah, but the volume gets calculated

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so if you have 20% it will still calculate 20% of the volume

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so, when transfered to the shader, it does its own volume + the 20% you are giving it from the render

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:21 PM

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How would it know? The input is just a 2D png

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:22 PM

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but the blender render is a volume projected into 2D

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you can test it by seeing how much the render changes when you alter the width of the cube

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if you put as 100% it will be much diffrent

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and if you rotate that 100% volume projected into a plane, the result will be much brighter with way less fidelity

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let me try to show u what i mean a sec

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:24 PM

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Oh, I think I found one issue

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:25 PM

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how do you set the width btw?

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:26 PM

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I was rendering with Eevee.. Switching to cycles gives this for the X4 (with a 20% X plume cube)

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:26 PM

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chilly minnow how do you set the width btw?

Do you mean the scale across the engine?

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:26 PM

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no, to make it thiner or not

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:27 PM

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narrow gate I was rendering with Eevee.. Switching to cycles gives this for the X4 (with a 2...

you should render in Eevee i think, it gives better results

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:28 PM

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In Layout (or in 3D viewport) select the plume cube, press s to scale, press x to constrain to x axis, give it a number that's a factor of it's current value.

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So, to take a 20% X cube and make it ten I give it an X scale of 0.5

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:28 PM

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heh just that works? ok

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:28 PM

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Sure

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Seems to

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:29 PM

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chilly minnow you should render in Eevee i think, it gives better results

Are you sure about that? I mean everythign I've read is cycles gives better results than Eevee. It takes longer to render, but not like a lot for something this simple

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Render time for X4 plume with cycles is 2.27s

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with Eevee it's 0.06s

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No clue how to make it give a black background though. Also I was not sure what you meant above about the pure white

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Did I crank up my plume's value to high? They're about the same as Isa had but slightly stonger

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:32 PM

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i see a problem with the "scale cube" method

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its not actually slicing just squishing

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inst atoo big of a deal but

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:33 PM

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narrow gate Are you sure about that? I mean everythign I've read is cycles gives better resu...

cycles* srry AsukaDead

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:35 PM

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chilly minnow i see a problem with the "scale cube" method

Ahh nuts. How do you slice then?

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:36 PM

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idk in blender, i'll have to pose this problem to Isa

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found it!

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Shading>change this to world

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and change the color to black

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:38 PM

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OK, changing to world is a snap. Where is the color that I need to change to black?

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:40 PM

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the bakcground

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:41 PM

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Ahhh! I was blind!

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(it was hiding bellow the bottom of the window, too - had to pan down a bit to see that)

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New X3 plume

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:42 PM

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seems like isa actually sliced the plumes

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narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:43 PM

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Hmmm... OK, I'm closing in on it but not there yet. Close!

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:45 PM

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here's the diffrence of the widths of the slices

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on the end is what i think is an actual slice

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 1:46 PM

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OK, so that's the effect of not having a slice on the LFO plume. Consider me motivated!

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 1:50 PM

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found a pretty hacky way xD

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so the idea here is to have anchor points

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this is a .02 slice

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this is isa's slice

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its not the same profile

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but you can see the diffrence in fidelity

pine slate Sep 6, 2023, 2:03 PM

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chilly minnow this is a .02 slice

I hope this mod lets you use different fuel types for different colors.

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 2:04 PM

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Thats something to add but yeah its planed!

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 2:21 PM

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pine slate I hope this mod lets you use different fuel types for different colors.

This may be possible, but there are really two components I think. One is the plume color, obviously. That might be something that could be parameterized in the plume JSON - @chilly minnow could say for sure. The other component is the emission from the anode and the inside walls of the discharge chamber. This is the bright ring you see right at the engine. For now I've modeled that with a white emission, which is not far off for Xenon. For some fuels I think the emission may need to be (a) toned down, and (b) colored appropriately like the plume is. That, I'm afraid, needs to go into the material used for the build of the addressable. I'm not sure how it could be parameterized.

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I think if we can parameterize the plume color in the JSON, then maybe just leaving the anode emission as white for all of them will get you close enough.

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 2:22 PM

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colors will be animateable soon enough

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 2:23 PM

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The only practical reason I've thought of for why you'd want to use a fuel other than Xenon would be once Colonies arrive and you have to deal with the local resources available. All other fuels will give you poorer performance, but you could use them, and a fuel you've got is better than one you don't have any of.

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This would also probably mean it's not a codeless mod anymore as engines would need to do some adjusting based on the fuel you want to feed them.

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 2:24 PM

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.01 slice

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.02

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 2:25 PM

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I can live with that

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 2:25 PM

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isa's

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 2:25 PM

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How did he do it? Magic?

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 2:25 PM

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the same way im doing on mine

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let me record it a sec

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 2:26 PM

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chilly minnow .01 slice

One thing I actually like about this one is how there's a whole general engine plume effect.

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 2:28 PM

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you mean the red below the rings??

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 2:28 PM

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chilly minnow you mean the red below the rings??

Yes

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Side views of real plumes show there's a whole combined plume component I think #1141807690264367135 message

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The plume rings diverge and mingle.

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 2:35 PM

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oh yeah, that should actually be controlled by th plume profile

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but im not sure the easiest way to do that in blender

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let me try a couple of things a sec

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i did shitty

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it was going so well

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i think i can fix it a sec

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 3:03 PM

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this is a horrible example but the profile should look smth like this

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for the xpansion to occur

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i'll spend some more time on this in a bit to properly show what i mean

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but as you can see the profile expands with how far from the nozzle it is

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 3:05 PM

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Interesting effect, but I don't think that's the look I'm going for. Is that what was happening here? #1141807690264367135 message

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 3:06 PM

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its looking lke this cuz i did it very poorly xD

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 3:07 PM

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pine slate I hope this mod lets you use different fuel types for different colors.

it should look exactly like this if done properly

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including the glow on the outside if you look from below

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i'll try it again in a bit

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also srry for the ping shadow AsukaDead

pine slate Sep 6, 2023, 3:07 PM

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I like pings. dw

pine slate Sep 6, 2023, 3:08 PM

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chilly minnow this is a horrible example but the profile should look smth like this

should go in not out?

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 3:08 PM

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the idea here is that you copy the exact shape of the plume, not just the rings

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 3:08 PM

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pine slate should go in not out?

goes bothways, but out is dimmer

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since its less dense (since it doesnt mix with the other rings)

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 3:09 PM

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This has me wondering if the volumetric plume for an engine like this shouldn't be in a larger cube to allow it to expand somehow, but how that would work with a slice and rotate based on B-Spline slice - I'm not sure.

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 3:11 PM

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B-Spline based i dont think i'd work

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im looking for a meshbased one

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as you can see here

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 3:11 PM

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So not volumetric? or it's a mesh that makes the slice which is rotated?

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 3:11 PM

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its volumetric

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but the volume is based on a mesh

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and not on a spline rotated 360º

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volume based on meshes are very expensive for the gpu thus i not using them on LFO but for blender its mostly ok

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specially if its a render

narrow gate Sep 6, 2023, 3:12 PM

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Interesting!

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So the cost is in blender, and then LFO can remain lighter on computation?

chilly minnow Sep 6, 2023, 3:14 PM

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yup!

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you can make a 1:1 recreation of the plume in blender if you want

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with fluid simulation and everything

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its the same profile as before, just dimmer

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you can see how it has a red glow on the outskirts of the rings

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again, its a matter of refining this meshbased volumetric

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 12:22 AM

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chilly minnow

Hey Lux, I'm stuck with my Unity project. That poor thing has gotten so borked that when I try to launch it from Unity Hub I need to hit Cancel multiple times on this just to open the project

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I tried making a new scene for the prefab variants, but that doesn't seem to have helped. What I've got in there now is this hot mess

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I'd like to keep the prefab variants, but not if they're going to make it impossible for me to build.

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 12:28 AM

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narrow gate

this

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go to the task amanager

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and kill all tasks related to unity

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that'll probably fix it

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 12:30 AM

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chilly minnow that'll probably fix it

OK, that solved that part. It does now launch OK. Shall I try to build and see if it hangs?

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Before I do that, I think I may have messed things up and I'd like to check them with you.

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I've created two new scenes: plume modeler and spark_mod. I think I used an empty scene for plume modeler and a default one for spark_mod

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I put the prefab variants in the plume modeler as you can see in the ss above

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I don't think I've done anything with spark_mod scene - I was frankly just fumbling around trying to separate these things in the hopes it would let me build

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 12:33 AM

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you want to know if u fucked up the original prefab?

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 12:33 AM

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I have no clue why the build was hangining, I only know that after I made the prefab variants my build would hang.

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 12:34 AM

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you can just open the prefab and check if the plumes are there

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 12:34 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 12:34 AM

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also, check if the Plume game object is totally empty, so no components

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 12:35 AM

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the prefab variants are all like this

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chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 12:35 AM

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and the original prefab?

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also

By default, Addressable Assets only logs warnings and errors. You can enable detailed logging by opening the Player settings window (Edit > Project Settings > Player), navigating to the Other Settings > Configuration section, and adding "ADDRESSABLES_LOG_ALL" to the Scripting Define Symbols field.

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 12:36 AM

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If I go to SampleScene I see this

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chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 12:36 AM

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thats still the variant

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delete those

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and drag the original prefabs

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the oens that have the addressable keys

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 12:38 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 12:39 AM

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does the Plume gameobject

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have any component?

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 12:40 AM

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narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 12:42 AM

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chilly minnow have any component?

Nope, none of the Plume game objects have components

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Before I build do I need to add some plume profiles to the Profiles folder in LFO?

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The one that's there is not tagged as an addressable, but I'm not sure how does LFO get that in the game?

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I guess I'm asking so that if/when I make new X2 and S4 plumes I know where to put them so that LFO will have them

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Do they go into a folder in my mod?

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Or do they just go here?

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@chilly minnow where should I put new plume profiles I want to try out? I think I need to refer to them in the part JSONs like this, right? "_Profile": "ion_thruster",

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Where do the files go?

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 12:52 AM

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narrow gate Before I build do I need to add some plume profiles to the Profiles folder in LF...

huh

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that comes after

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totally missed that part xD

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gotta think of a way for people to load their profiles

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 12:54 AM

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OK, for now my engines all have what looks like properly scaled X3 plumes, but I would like to be able to specify new plumes... I'm happy to work that however it works easiest for you. Would putting them in the parts's assets\plumes folder make sense?

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 12:56 AM

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chilly minnow huh

Good news! Test build worked. This is good! Now I can work on adding bolts and whatnot in SP and know that I'll be able to get that work into the game.

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I'll fool around with that for now. Please let me know when you've got a way to support loading new plume profiles.

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:04 AM

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can you send me the profiles?

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i'll make a quick assetbundle with them

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for you to test them

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:06 AM

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chilly minnow for you to test them

There they are.

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I know those are crappy, but I'd like to be able to play with them and see them in the game

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:10 AM

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you need to tone down the brightness by a LOT

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when testing on unity

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make sure to set the textures to non color

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this little fella

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it gives a much bigger range between black and white

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aka more definition

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:11 AM

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You mean something I need to do in blender when I generate these, or is this in unity?

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:11 AM

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on blender

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just make the emission strenght a lot lower

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i'd say 3/4 of what it is now

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:12 AM

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So here on the shader.

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:12 AM

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yup

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:12 AM

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narrow gate

tip

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instead of adding those notes

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you can label and recolor individual nodes

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:13 AM

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btw isa!

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good ur here

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:13 AM

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via N panel

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:13 AM

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chilly minnow btw isa!

yo

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:13 AM

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is it possible to make prifles that expand with the lenght?

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like this but good

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i tried to do it with a mesh and failed miserably

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basically just expand and dim with how far down the z they are

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i thnk that with splines and color ramps you cant right?

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:14 AM

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serene abyss tip

Thanks! BTW, since you're here, how do I get just a slice of the texture instead of compressing it as I have?

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:15 AM

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i dont think you can

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Oh yes nvm you can

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:16 AM

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chilly minnow basically just expand and dim with how far down the z they are

I boosted the outer rings a bit from what Isa had in his version. Maybe I boosted them too much?

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:16 AM

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plug in emission into surfave instead of volume

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u will have to play with mapping of it tho

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:16 AM

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hmm fair

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okok

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:17 AM

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serene abyss u will have to play with mapping of it tho

Yeah I guess so, When I did that just now it rendered to an all black image

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:17 AM

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serene abyss u will have to play with mapping of it tho

Where do I play with this mapping?

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:17 AM

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yehaah u have to play with mapping

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:17 AM

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narrow gate Where do I play with this mapping?

mapping node

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:17 AM

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📎 lfo-resources.bundle

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try this schlos

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:17 AM

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specifically location and scale

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:18 AM

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serene abyss specifically location and scale

On the color ramps?

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chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:18 AM

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nono

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:18 AM

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nope

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:18 AM

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tou add a new node

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:18 AM

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mapping node

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:18 AM

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theres one already, right at the start

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:18 AM

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chilly minnow tou add a new node

nope it should be there already

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connected to gradient

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just adjust values

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move location to 0 on one of the axis

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:18 AM

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Oh here!

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If my camera is looking down the X axis, then make X 0, right?

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:19 AM

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yeah

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just play with it

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u may need to set scale too

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:19 AM

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i might add expansion as part of the shader now that i think about it

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:19 AM

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but keep in mind

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:19 AM

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Yay!

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:19 AM

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scale affects position of@the gradient thing

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:20 AM

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serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:20 AM

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by default the gradient rotates around rhe corner of the cube

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so i have to offset by half the size of the cube

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:20 AM

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thats so dumb

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:21 AM

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all u need to do is multiply xy scale by -0.5

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and use rhat as xy location

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:21 AM

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Yeah, this has done a real number on what should be a five spike profile for the X4 engine (four rings plus cathode)

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chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:21 AM

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i count 5

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:22 AM

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chilly minnow i count 5

wdym?

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:22 AM

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5 rings on the print you just sent!

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\j btw xD

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:23 AM

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serene abyss all u need to do is multiply xy scale by -0.5

You mean change this scale on the mapping node?

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serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:23 AM

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yep

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what u can do is use a value node connected to a separate xyz node’s x and y values

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and plug that into scale

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and then also plug that into a vector math node set to multiply and set all xy values to -0.5

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:24 AM

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the more i see geometry node,s the more i realize they are just hlsl with visualizers

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:24 AM

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i haven’t done anything with geo nodes

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prolly should

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:25 AM

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well those nodes too

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its literally hlsl/glsl

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:25 AM

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all shaders r pretty much the same except theyre in a different dialect

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:25 AM

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you just dont have much room for optimization

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:26 AM

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well you can optimize

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:26 AM

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that applies to any software too xD

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:26 AM

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serene abyss and then also plug that into a vector math node set to multiply and set all xy v...

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:26 AM

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tho u cant optimize stock nodes easily

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:26 AM

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huh explain

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:26 AM

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Like that?

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:26 AM

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narrow gate

set scale to not 0

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also add the vec math plugged into location

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so it automatically calculates the offset

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:27 AM

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I am really confused here

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:27 AM

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chilly minnow huh explain

an example i can give: to make an atmosphere noiseless, you have to “rewrite” the volume scatter shader with ur own ray marching & light/shadow detection

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and plugged into emission into volume

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:28 AM

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narrow gate I am really confused here

oh wait

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i see

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you did something wrong

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the value nodr is the scale u want

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:28 AM

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that not surprising!

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:29 AM

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then the combine xyz is plugged into the scale AND a separate vector math node set to multiply

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thats where you multiply xy by -0.5

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then that is plugged into location

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:29 AM

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serene abyss and plugged into emission into volume

(i have done this btw)

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it makes it slower in viewport but renders decently fast but no noise at all

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blender volume scatter is super noisy

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:31 AM

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So... The Combine XYZ takes input from what?

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And it then need to go to a multiply

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:31 AM

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value

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:31 AM

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And it's raw output goes to scale and the multiplied output goes to location?

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:33 AM

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So value > combine xyz (only x and y inputs) > scale input of mapping node, and a vector math node (you can have a node output plugged into multiple nodes)

vector math (multiply, x and y set to -.5) > location input of mapping node

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:35 AM

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serene abyss So value > combine xyz (only x and y inputs) > scale input of mapping node, and ...

OK, so the value going into the combined xyz, that's not where the -0.5 goes? Instead there's another value node with -0.5 feeding into the multiply node?

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:36 AM

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nope

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vector math has its own inputs per axis

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you can change each

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x and y should be -0.5

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z should be 1

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or whatever you want it to be

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:37 AM

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OK, I'm confused at the multiply then

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:37 AM

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nope not math node

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vector math

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:37 AM

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I see two inputs, but the output from combined xyz is a vector. How to do I get x*y?

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:37 AM

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math and vector math are totally different

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vec math is purple

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:38 AM

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I'm not seeing a "math" node in vector. There's a transform

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:39 AM

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use search

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:40 AM

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OK, getting closer!

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narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:41 AM

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serene abyss use search

Like this?

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Oops, this

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serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:43 AM

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yep u got it

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except main value node set it to like 1.2

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:43 AM

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serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:44 AM

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yep thats cuz the -0.5 value node

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:44 AM

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1.2 made it go black

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:44 AM

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oh i lnow

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the vec math is set to 0.5 and not -0.5

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should be negative for x and y only

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:45 AM

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Not any more

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I've got vector math a -0.5, -0.5, 1.0

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:47 AM

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serene abyss oh i lnow

Is the problem in the color ramp positions now?

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:48 AM

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value node cant be negative

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:48 AM

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I've been poking all sorts of numbers into that value node, mostly positive ones, and getting results like this

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serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:49 AM

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value is quite low

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use value over like 1.0

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:50 AM

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Nothing I've tried works

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Stepping by 0.1 from below 1 to over 2 and back

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:52 AM

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wait is this a slice of it?

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if so then i know why

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:52 AM

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AFAIK it's a slice.

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:52 AM

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set one of the -0.5’s to 0

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the one that makes it look like a slice

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:53 AM

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Yay!

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I don't care what Lux says, you're a genius!

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(j/k Lux!)

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Seriously, though - how do you know this stuff so intuitively?

serene abyss Sep 7, 2023, 1:55 AM

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narrow gate I don't care what Lux says, you're a genius!

🫡

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 1:56 AM

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@chilly minnow , Here's a slice plume image for the X4 with the emission value set to 0.4

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I'll make some for the X2 and SPT100 next, but I'll have to replicate this awesome slice shader to those blends first

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 1:59 AM

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that seems way better

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 2:00 AM

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Let me know if it's still to bright and I should tone down emission more. I'll work on the others rn

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 2:10 AM

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chilly minnow that seems way better

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@chilly minnow I dropped the new LFO resources bundle into it's folder in LFO. Do I now just change my part JSON's to be like this? "_Profile": "spark_spt100",, etc.

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I'm guessing it's not that. I tried it and now there isn't a plume on that engine. The part otherwise works, but just not the plume.

chilly minnow Sep 7, 2023, 2:18 AM

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narrow gate <@135118540377161728> I dropped the new LFO resources bundle into it's folder in...

yup, change back

narrow gate Sep 7, 2023, 2:20 AM

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OK, it's changed back, but how would I select one? Or perhaps I should ask which one did you select? NVM, I'll just run it and the game will surprise me... 😉

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That is a lovely 3-channel plume on my SPT-100, which - btw, is kind a powerfull. Look at it drop the PE on this thing!

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narrow gate Sep 9, 2023, 12:18 AM

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chilly minnow yup, change back

Hey Lux, what do I need to do to be able to use the fancy new plumes I've modeled?

chilly minnow Sep 9, 2023, 10:28 AM

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Just use the bundle i sent u

narrow gate Sep 9, 2023, 10:35 AM

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chilly minnow Just use the bundle i sent u

I installed that but I don’t see how that lets me use the new plume templates I made. I must be doing it wrong. I tried setting the json to call for the plume by name and that didn’t work, so i set it back but that just gives me the X3 plume on all four engines

narrow gate Sep 9, 2023, 10:42 AM

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chilly minnow yup, change back

This is where I’m confused. I tried changing it, but must’ve done it the wrong way. You said to change it back so I did. But now I’m stuck at square one with only the X3 plume on all 4 engines. What’s the right way to do it?

chilly minnow Sep 9, 2023, 1:56 PM

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narrow gate This is where I’m confused. I tried changing it, but must’ve done it the wrong w...

Changing it on the json, the name must match

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Ill only be home monday so 🙃🙃

narrow gate Sep 9, 2023, 2:31 PM

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chilly minnow Changing it on the json, the name must match

Ahhh! I see. I'll give this a shot with the plume profile pngs in the same folder with the jsons. In the meantime... BEHOLD! A Dual Stage Four Grid Ion Thruster capable of nearly 20k Isp!

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It's sized for 0.625, and there are a few more bits to add, but it's mostly there. I need to attach the 3-turn RF antenna to something, basically a rod that will come out of the base and turn into it. I also need to add some power lines, and I'd like to take a shot at making the base adapter prettier like you did for the SPT100, but otherwise it's close.

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I plan to have the plasma chamber (the cylindrical part inside the RF coil) be white when off and glow yellow when on. Looking down inside the barrel of the thruster I need to make that surface look like its covered in a pattern of tiny holes (not going to make actual holes), then it will glow bluish white. There will be a single simple plume emitting from the barrel in bluish white light.

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It will look amazing I hope! I will need two different emission colors. I'm thinking maybe I can do that with fill layers under Emission where they have black masks to control what they apply to.

chilly minnow Sep 10, 2023, 7:49 PM

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narrow gate It will look amazing I hope! I will need two different emission colors. I'm thin...

Yup, just make the colors diffrent

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Ill be home tomorow by 4pm GMT and then i can help u with the plumes

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Or even make a loader for custom locations

narrow gate Sep 10, 2023, 8:38 PM

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I've got different colors - at least I think I do. The plasma chamber glows yellow and the neutralization grid (the last one in the stack - so the only one that's visible) glows blue-white, but it's a bit hard to tell on that one since it's got a lot of holes in it so the glow from the plasma chamber can be seen "through" it. I accomplished the dual colors by simply duplicating the Emissions layer and giving the new one a different color and different mask. The resulting expotred texture has two colors in it in the right places.

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Is there a way to really crank up the emission, though? What I'm getting in the game just seems kinda wimpy next to what the photo shows.

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That said, I'm not getting even a substitute plume to show up. My process is probably wrong. I created a prefab variant and added a second Plume object to it with a 3D cube as a child of that. For some reason the 3D cube came in really huge relative to the part, so I had to scale it way down to fit "properly"

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Also, for the other engines I'm getting this weird effect where the plume template seems to be applied in a flipped L-R sense so that the central spike is on the far outside edge (forming an annulus), and the other dischard chamber rings are not placed correctly.

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I found that my profiles were in fact flipped L-R from what they should be, but flipping them to match the orientation of the ion_thruster.png did not solve the problem. Regardless of flipping the PNG to be mirrored correctly, the plume acts like the template is incorrectly oriented.

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All of the new plumes I've made are coming out like this. It's crazy.

narrow gate Sep 11, 2023, 12:23 AM

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📎 spark_ds4g1.json

📎 spark_spt100.json

📎 spark_x2.json

📎 spark_x3.json

📎 spark_x4.json

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What am I doing wrong here?

chilly minnow Sep 11, 2023, 4:06 PM

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am home

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so i can see it better now

narrow gate Sep 11, 2023, 11:06 PM

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chilly minnow so i can see it better now

Any clues what I might be doing wrong? It's so weird. The new SPT-100 plume looks fine in preview in the Unity editor, but looks wrong in the game. All the other new ones look wrong both in Unity and in the game. I put the LFO assett bundle you sent into both the Unity project and my game's LFO plugin where I've been testing.

chilly minnow Sep 11, 2023, 11:07 PM

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can you send me the mod?

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so that i can debug it?

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that all should be right

narrow gate Sep 11, 2023, 11:41 PM

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📎 SPARK.zip

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 12:00 AM

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narrow gate

can you send me your log output?

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they should be packed with the asset bndle

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but for some reason are not registered on my end

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 1:03 AM

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📎 Ksp2.log 📎 LogOutput.log

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 1:03 AM

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chilly minnow they should be packed with the asset bndle

I'm confused by this. Maybe I've not sent the right logs? Are these the logs you're asking for?

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 1:17 AM

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Yup!

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Let me check!

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what im looking for is this

[Info   :lfo/lfo-resources/lfo/profiles/ion_thruster.png] registering path "lfo/lfo-resources/lfo/profiles/ion_thruster.png"
[Info   :lfo/lfo-resources/lfo/profiles/spark_spt100_plume.png] registering path "lfo/lfo-resources/lfo/profiles/spark_spt100_plume.png"
[Info   :lfo/lfo-resources/lfo/profiles/spark_x2_plume.png] registering path "lfo/lfo-resources/lfo/profiles/spark_x2_plume.png"
[Info   :lfo/lfo-resources/lfo/profiles/spark_x3_plume.png] registering path "lfo/lfo-resources/lfo/profiles/spark_x3_plume.png"
[Info   :lfo/lfo-resources/lfo/profiles/spark_x4_plume.png] registering path "lfo/lfo-resources/lfo/profiles/spark_x4_plume.png"

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so it turns out that you'rs are being registered

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but not loaded

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which they should

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basically, as of now, the _Profile value should be the last part of the registered path, without the extension

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so spark_x2_plume

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which is what you have

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let me test a couple more things

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 1:41 AM

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chilly minnow but not loaded

That's weird. I thought they were being loaded, but not displayed the way I would expect. For the SPT-100 plume I get this in Unity

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If I change the X rotation from 90 to 0 you can see the plume face on and it looks like this

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So that plume looks fine in Unity, and the plume material looks like this

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chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 1:43 AM

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thats all right

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 1:43 AM

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But that same plume (at least the same profile) gives me something that looks just wrong in the game.

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1 sec I'll show

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 1:44 AM

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but does it show that profile or the x3 profile?

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 1:44 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 1:45 AM

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its just miss scaled no?

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 1:45 AM

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See what I mean? No central spike at all. It's like the dang thing got reveresed

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 1:45 AM

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oh no

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i see

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well thats cuz

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AsukaDead

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i need to update the profiles

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btw

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do the other profiles work for you?

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or just that one?

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 1:46 AM

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Nope, they all do this.

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Well, they all do in the game

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But weirdly in Unity this one looks OK in the prefab variant

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The others are goofed up in both places. No clue why

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 1:48 AM

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thats my fault!

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you sent the inverted version

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and i packed that one

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im not sure if you sent the right version before or after i went out

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 1:49 AM

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Oh? I thought it would pull the plume from the folder?

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 1:49 AM

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nono!

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 1:50 AM

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I should have realized...

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 1:50 AM

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it pulls from the asset bundle

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tho i'll make it pull from the folder

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actually, it might be better do to it from an asset bundle, but i'll enable both ways

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 1:50 AM

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The correct plumes should be these I think: #1141807690264367135 message

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 1:50 AM

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but be aware that pulling straight from the folder is bad cuz u cant select your import settings, which are quite important in this case

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 1:50 AM

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But I'd much rather it pull from a folder so I could itterate easily with the plumes to get those right

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 1:51 AM

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try this!

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📎 lfo-resources.bundle

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 1:51 AM

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narrow gate But I'd much rather it pull from a folder so I could itterate easily with the pl...

well the asset bundle is quite literally just a "click of a button" away

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and you get to preview them on unity

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 1:53 AM

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I'll give those a try! These are probably too bright still, but I'm hoping they have the right shape.

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I'm confised though on the Unity part. I thought with that the process was 1. Make material using profile PNG, and then 2. assign plume materail to cube to see how it looks.

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Is that not the way that part works?

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 1:57 AM

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yes it is

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but i had the wrong profiles on there

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thus it looking diffrent

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and since i was not at home i couldnt check AsukaDead

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i noticed when i saw the profiles flipped on unity

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here

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they were the other way

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 2:00 AM

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For the resource bundle, I put that into the LFO plugin folder, but doesn't it also go into Unity somewhere?

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I thinght it did...

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 2:02 AM

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it goes into

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assets/bundles

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and no, doesnt go into unity!

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we could make an importer to unity tho

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 2:03 AM

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OK, that's where I put it - I must have just gotten confused. It happens

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Testing in the game now

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chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 2:09 AM

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great!

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 2:09 AM

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Yep!

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 2:10 AM

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its pretty late here already

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 2:10 AM

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I'll need to figure out a proper plume for the DS4G-1

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 2:10 AM

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tomorow i'll make it so you can reference an custom asset bundle

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oh i thought that was a dupe

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since it was the same as the spt-100

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 2:10 AM

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I was just subbing in the SPT-100 for that one

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It's a whole different kind of ion engine

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Not a hall effect thruster, so doesn't need an annular plume, more of a narrow expanding cone

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chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 2:12 AM

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thats easly done with the normal volumetric shader dw

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 2:12 AM

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All of these work great! Thanks!

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 2:13 AM

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yw :D im sorry it took so long

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either way, im off to zzzzs!

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cya!

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 2:13 AM

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chilly minnow thats easly done with the normal volumetric shader dw

Excellent! get some rest dude!

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 5:39 PM

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@narrow gate an addendum on the LOABE thing

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just fixed it for 1.4

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the abbreviation is not XXS, its 2XS, following the KSP2's standard

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you can see the right abbreviation under plugins/LuxsOABExtensions/Sizes/2XS.cfg

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{
  "ID": 12,
  "Diameter": 0.3125,
  "AbbreviatedName": "2XS",
  "FullName": "2XSMALL",
  "SortingOrder": 5,
  "TagColor": {
    "r": 255,
    "g": 0,
    "b": 255,
    "a": 255
  }
}

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the collor is ugly asf, gotta get a better lerp

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 10:14 PM

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chilly minnow ```json { "ID": 12, "Diameter": 0.3125, "AbbreviatedName": "2XS", "FullN...

Thanks! I'll fix that rn

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I'm ready to work on adding a normal volumetric cone plume to the DS4G. It's probably easy, but if you've got a minute and can walk me through my first one that would be great!

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 10:20 PM

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sure! in a bit tho, its 11pm and i havent had my dinner yet

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this is the earliest in the past 3 months that i'll have dinner xD

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 10:22 PM

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No worries! I'll poke around a bit and be ready when you are. Do not rush! Enjoy dinner!

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If you're in Portugal then I'd say "paint the town red", but I think you guys already did...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/09/12/1198913626/red-wine-flood-city-portugal

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 10:26 PM

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narrow gate No worries! I'll poke around a bit and be ready when you are. Do not rush! Enjoy...

sure thing! Look into the LFO/Volumetric shader, the main fields you should play around to get the cone is Radius and Linear Expansion

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 10:26 PM

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narrow gate https://www.npr.org/2023/09/12/1198913626/red-wine-flood-city-portugal

What? xD THAT WAS TODAY, i didnt know about that one, thats.... im somewhat not surprised that happened in portugal of all places

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 10:27 PM

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Yeah, it was on the news this evening as I drove home... So it's news in the US that Portugal has painted one of their towns red. Crazy, huh?

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Fooling around with this now!

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 11:30 PM

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One of these things is not like the others... One of these things does not belong...

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chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 11:33 PM

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its on the unity material probably

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 11:33 PM

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chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 11:36 PM

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i'd make the middle pipe copper maybe?

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 11:36 PM

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This is wierd. The DS4G-1 is only using KSP2 Steel, KSP_Gray_Steel, and a couple of simple fill layers: one for the white plasma chamber and one for the black port thingy for the RF coil antenna.

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So why is this damn thing showing up as brown?

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 11:37 PM

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Occlusion strength as 0 maybe?

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 11:38 PM

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Could be... I'll have to check Unity. I don't think Substance Painter looks wacky.

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The coil antenna should be a shiny silvery steel (to be true to the real thing). Well, truth be told it's a bit hard to see the color of it in this image

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And in this one they removed that part for some odd reason

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Unity shows occlusion strength as 1, but the AO map is basically black.

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chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 11:42 PM

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if SB doesnt look wierd then its deffinetly unity

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 11:42 PM

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narrow gate Unity shows occlusion strength as 1, but the AO map is basically black.

again my kind sir

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AO default map is white

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not black

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just remove the AO texture xD

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pretty much all texture's, the default is white

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 11:43 PM

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chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 11:43 PM

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Rule of Thumb - all textures' default are white
Noise - Grey
Alpha Cutouts - Black
Normal - Blue

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 11:43 PM

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chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 11:44 PM

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thats probably my bad, my shader probably has some bugs still

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 11:44 PM

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Yep! All of the other parts skipped the occlusion map.

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I bet you told me this b4 - but I somehow forgot. Mind like a goldfish here...

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Can you point me at an engine example that uses the LFO Volumetric shader? All the ones in Sorry are using additive.

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 11:47 PM

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none yet!

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volumetric shaders are pretty much beta as of now xD

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they aren't even out yet

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what you need help with?

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 11:49 PM

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Oh, I've got no plume at all in the unity prefab variant that should be showing me the plume. My poking around and guessing was not getting me anywhere so I thought I'd llok at an example to get on the board and then itterate from there

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I slapped on a Flames mesh when I couldn't see anything using the cube I had before, but that didn't help

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 11:50 PM

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can you show me the lower side of the material?

chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 11:50 PM

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narrow gate I slapped on a Flames mesh when I couldn't see anything using the cube I had bef...

on nono, you should use a cube (for now)

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 11:51 PM

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chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 11:51 PM

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upper threshold and upper clip set to the max pls

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are you not seeing anything?

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 11:52 PM

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Nada

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Back to a cube with a 1x2x1 aspect

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oriented the same as with the others

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It's still pointing at the DS4G-1 plume material, that may be wrong.

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It's basically a clone of the spark_x2_plume

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Yay! Good paint in the game!

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Look at that exit grid! That must be 30k polys right there...

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chilly minnow Sep 12, 2023, 11:58 PM

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narrow gate

2 things, do you have lightning enabled on the scene?
does the light on the scene have shadows?

narrow gate Sep 12, 2023, 11:59 PM

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I've tried lighting on and off, I'm not sure the answer on the shadows

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This is probably my bad...
[Info : Unity Log] [System] Property [isVisible] already found in context! [Error :Lux's Flames and Ornaments] Ion was not created! Exception: System.NullReferenceException: Couldn't find texture with path lfo/resources/texturesspark_ds4g1. Make sure the textures have the right name! at LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments.Settings.ShaderConfig.ToMaterial () [0x00205] in C:\Users\costa\Desktop\LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments\LuxsFlamesAndOrnamentsProject\Settings\ShaderConfig.cs:61 at LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments.Settings.PlumeConfig.GetMaterial () [0x00001] in C:\Users\costa\Desktop\LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments\LuxsFlamesAndOrnamentsProject\Settings\PlumeConfig.cs:38 at LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments.Settings.LFOConfig.InstantiatePlume (System.String partName, UnityEngine.GameObject& prefab) [0x001d7] in C:\Users\costa\Desktop\LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments\LuxsFlamesAndOrnamentsProject\Settings\LFOConfig.cs:80

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Different problem from the unity prefab plume preview, but something I need to fix nevertheless

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 12:02 AM

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lightning should be on

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 12:03 AM

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narrow gate This is probably my bad... ` [Info : Unity Log] [System] Property [isVisible] ...

no thats, right, but wrong (on my part), i need to find a good way to get the textures on unity

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since on the Game i have all the textures separated and named correctly

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on unity i dont have anything to go off AsukaDead

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 12:15 AM

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chilly minnow on unity i dont have anything to go off <:AsukaDead:880249910769897542>

I created a new material (DS4G Plume, was DS4G-1 Plume). The old material was a clone of the Spark X2 plume, so was based on a LFO/Volumetric (profiled). The new one is based on straight up LFO Volumetric

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This has not (yet) revealed the plume for me to play with, but I suspect it was a step in the right direction

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So: Cube Mesh with the right size and orientation, Mesh Rendered checked, with the new plume material selected. LFO Volume with Shader = LFO/Volumetric

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Upper Threshold and Upper Clip maxed out

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 12:20 AM

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i think i know

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can you try to set the size of the cube to like 2x2x2?

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just as test

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 12:21 AM

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Like this?

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Makes the engine look so tiny...

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 12:21 AM

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heh still nothing AsukaDead

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the biggest problem rn is that

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wait actually

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a sec

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im not sure how old that shader is

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i've been working on it non stop xD

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let me send you the latest technology

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 12:22 AM

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I figured as much.

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 12:22 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/the-matrix-reloaded-matrix-reloaded-neo-keanu-reeves-gif-4011236

Tenor

Neo re-materializing - The Matrix Reloaded

▶ Play video

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 12:22 AM

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Bleading edge!

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When offered a choice of blue pill or red, take both!

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 12:23 AM

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taking the purple pill i see, smart

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 12:52 AM

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narrow gate I figured as much.

📎 LFO-DevKit-0.2.0.unitypackage

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you can just Right Click>LFO> New Volumetric Plume

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and it should work off the go

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it creates a new GO with all of it setup

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 1:39 AM

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chilly minnow it creates a new GO with all of it setup

I think I screwed it up. I've got this now

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Should I just delete the whole old plume and create a brand new fresh 3d cube?

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OIC what it was doing, I think I did it three times and so had three "Plume" objects. I deleted all of those and made yet another one that I dragged onto the thrustTransform > Plume object

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So now I've got this

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 1:45 AM

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can you show me the console?

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what errors does it show?

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 1:45 AM

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It had a material of Default Material, so I assigned my new plume material and got to this

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 1:46 AM

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fair

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 1:46 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 1:46 AM

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can you send me a print of what you have under

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LFO/Shaders/

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 1:47 AM

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This?

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Or this?

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 1:48 AM

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narrow gate

this

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you're missing stuff for some reason

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 1:48 AM

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Naturally!

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 1:48 AM

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put this there

📎 Volumetric_Additive.shader

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i might have packed the unity package wrong

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 1:49 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 1:49 AM

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thats nothing critical

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try to add a new plume

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via LFO>New Volumetric Plume

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it should work from the go^2

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 1:51 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 1:51 AM

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there we go

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now

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since that shader is still in dev

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it only works well on big scales

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could you try to make the scale of it like 5,5,5?

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 1:52 AM

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It is that

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 1:52 AM

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design ur plume on that scale, i'll add rescaleability later

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oh, move it outside the prefab

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 1:53 AM

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OK, I pulled it out of the Prefab and that put the scale to 1,1,1 so I set it to 5,5,5

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 1:54 AM

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you probably see a pilar of clouds going down

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 1:54 AM

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With a bit of Y positioning I've got this

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 1:54 AM

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looks kinda right

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2 things

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does it have a noise texture

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?

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set the density multiplier to 2, or maybe 3

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 1:55 AM

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Nope, no noise

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Density mult set to 2

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 1:56 AM

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thats the problem

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add a 3d noise there

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they are under LFO/Noises

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 1:56 AM

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Yep, got one now

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Cranking down on the radius makes it much dimmer

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 1:58 AM

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yup, thats the volumetric effect

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if you think about it, the smaller the radius, the less "mass" it has to go through

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i have to do some smart people math to counter act that, i still dont know how to do that smart people math tho AsukaDead

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 1:58 AM

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So just crank the density mult up to compensate?

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 1:58 AM

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that works to a certain degree

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if youre radius is too low you'll enter some other problems

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that not even density mult fixes

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also, Outer Falloff and its position is not working on that version

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they basically make edges not so sharp

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:01 AM

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This is not horrible.

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:01 AM

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play with the colors a bit

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:01 AM

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I feel like I might be getting somewhere

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:01 AM

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its a 2 point interpolation

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:02 AM

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The color is a swatch from the other plume, but I can play with it for sure

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:02 AM

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yeah, its not the same color scheme as you can see

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that one has 3

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and you can change their positions

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i'll migrate that color scheme to the other one too once i mature it enough

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:02 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:03 AM

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you can reduce the size radially (x and z)

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(i think)

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try to make it just a tad bigger than the max radius of the plume

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:04 AM

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Might be a tad too bright...

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:04 AM

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also way too tall xD

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:04 AM

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That's a heck of an Ion plume... Don't stand behind it...

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:04 AM

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you can also reduce the y scale

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if an ion engine does that much plume.......

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thats not ion

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:05 AM

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I think I may have found a viable VSIMR plume...

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Still a bit too hot for this ion engine, but It's getting there!

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Is there a way to get it brighter near the top? Without blowing out the middle/bottom?

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:07 AM

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look at the Start Falloff and its position

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try to set both to 0

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Positions are 0-1, where 0 is closest to, and 1 is the furthest from

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so 0 on Start Position is closest to start

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and 0 on End Position is closes to start

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they're not that intuitive but its easier to work with them like that

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:10 AM

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Still starts out dim

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:12 AM

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well you gave me an idea to make that happen

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basically, negative values of the star falloff will make it go brighter

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but no, currently there isnt

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you can always up the density multiplier

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and mess with the end falloff

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:13 AM

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Yeah, it won't let me do that yet

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:13 AM

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chilly minnow you can always up the density multiplier

That's what I've been doing 🙂

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:13 AM

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or increase the Lower Clip

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as you can imagine, Lower Clip makes all values below x be x

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but it can remove noise at certain levels

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:14 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:14 AM

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put End at like 5

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and you can scale it further more on the y

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:15 AM

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Look! No Noise!

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:15 AM

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MisatoPray

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and also artifacts on the edges AsukaDead

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graphical engineering is a pain

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:17 AM

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I think I'm getting an interesting effect! Is there a way to export the config so I can see it in game? I know there is... Where is that?

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Oh, there it is! In the Plume child of thrustTransform!

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Should I not put the plume there?

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So I can export it?

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:20 AM

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same way as before

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BUT!

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thats not yet on the assetbundle

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since its quite literally the last think i worked on xD

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if you're liking the material

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i'd advise you to create an instance of that material

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:21 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:22 AM

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bucz the current material ur working on is in cache, and not in the disk

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:22 AM

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I like it well enough that I'd like to see it in the game

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:22 AM

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you cando that by creating a material preset

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can you send me the genereated config file pls?

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:23 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:23 AM

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thats something

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:24 AM

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I don't think it generated a config file, or at least if it did it either didn't use the name I'd expect or it put it somewhere I didn't expect

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:24 AM

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then it didnt generate

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hmm

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what you can do is

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create a new material

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Copy Material Properties

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and Paste the material properties on the new one

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:25 AM

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chilly minnow Copy Material Properties

How do you do this step?

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:25 AM

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chilly minnow you cando that by creating a material preset

same place as here 🙏

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:25 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:26 AM

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change the shader

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to LFO/Volumetric (Additive)

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:26 AM

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Ok done!

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:26 AM

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ur progress is saved

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ok so

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:27 AM

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Simply because I pasted the properties into the new material, that makes sure it's saved, huh?

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:27 AM

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how did you try to create the config?
fortunately i refactored LFO a couple months ago in a way that every shader works

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so i already have an asset bundle for you to test the shader in game

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:28 AM

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narrow gate Simply because I pasted the properties into the new material, that makes sure it...

well, a material, in simple terms, is defined by the values of the shader

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and youjust copied all the values of the shader onto another material's shader

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:28 AM

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OK, to make the config, what I did was a dragged the Plume up to be a child of thrustTransform > Plume

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Then I renamed it to DS4G-1 Plume

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Then I used the Save config button in Plume

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:29 AM

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ok

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do a test pls

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:29 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:29 AM

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on the lfo master group

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click Active?

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does the plume disappear?

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ha yeah

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:29 AM

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Nope

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:29 AM

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thats the problem

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you can also see

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that under active

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theres no children

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just click collect children

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and click save again

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:30 AM

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Well, now it does say there's 1 child

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:30 AM

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if you're not sure if everything is set as a children you can just togle Active?

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:30 AM

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Toggling makes it disappear

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:30 AM

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if everything disapears means that everything is a children, if anything is still showing means that it sint

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yup!

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now you can save it (probably)

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:31 AM

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I don't think soo...

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:31 AM

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i need to make a log message saying that it saved sucessfully

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why so?

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:32 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:32 AM

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isnt it the 1st one?

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:32 AM

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Cause there's no config by the name DS4G-1

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:32 AM

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the name of the file is the partName

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:32 AM

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Oh, do it get the part name!

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Doh!

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:32 AM

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xD

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:32 AM

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📎 spark_ds4g1.json

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:32 AM

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put that on your plumes folder on SPARK

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and put this on plugins/LFO/assets/bundles/

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📎 lfo-resources.bundle

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:34 AM

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Damn, that bundle is getting bigger maybe

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24.7 MB?

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Was it always that big and I just didn't notice?

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:34 AM

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3D noises are HEAVY

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here's all 3 uncompressed

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:35 AM

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OK done. Launch game?

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:35 AM

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well

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just make a simple opacity curve for your plumes

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iirc LFO discards plumes w/o Float Params

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a linear 0-1 with throttle should work

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:37 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:37 AM

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mark Use

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:37 AM

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OK, so save again, copy over, and then launch maybe?

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:38 AM

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i need to make the Inspector more clear on how those things work (i'll make both fields greyed out if Use is not enabled ie)

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then yeah, save, copy and launch

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btw, im not sure about if it works in game as i havent tested yet

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:39 AM

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We'll see!

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Nope, sadly

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:41 AM

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logs pls

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it should work

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im probably missing something

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:41 AM

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📎 Ksp2.log

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:41 AM

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and i think i know what it is already

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:41 AM

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📎 LogOutput.log

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:48 AM

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ok so try this

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just repace the dll

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📎 LFO.dll

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i need to replace my keyboard

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sometimes letters just dont get sent...

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:49 AM

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I've got a spiffy mechanical LED gamining keyboard you can have

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The wife made me replace mine with a crappy LED membrane keyboard as the gamining one was too loud

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:50 AM

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oh just buy a silent one!

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they still have the tactile feel

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i couldnt go back to a membrane ngl, they're way too mushy

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:52 AM

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Well, this one looks like a mechanical, and kinda sorta feels like one, but I think it's actually membrane. It is much quieter though

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But not as nice ans the aluminum framed mechanical one I had (still have, but don't use)

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:52 AM

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razer or other brand?

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razer's are a bit harder to change the switches

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:53 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:53 AM

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but if its other brands, you can probably but a kit of cherry MXs and swap them, its like 60 bucks for 100x

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OH!

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huh

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:53 AM

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The one I have is a Hyper X

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:53 AM

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then you can easly swap them!

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:53 AM

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narrow gate

ok for now... since idk how that happened

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on your swinfo

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change the dependency to Uppercase

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so LFO instead of lfo

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 2:55 AM

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Yeah, that's weird... I updated to 1.0.0 earlier today and it was working.

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I'll go check my swinfo

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Yay! It's happy again. (fixed the swinfo per your spec.)

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Loading game to test now

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same same, no plume 😦

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 2:59 AM

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:(

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Try to make a new craft and lazy orbig it to space

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 3:01 AM

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Nope. No plume

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📎 Ksp2.log 📎 LogOutput.log

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Is this a problem?

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[Info :com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_ds4g1.json] registering path "com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_ds4g1.json"
[Info :com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_spt100.json] registering path "com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_spt100.json"
[Info :com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_x2.json] registering path "com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_x2.json"
[Info :com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_x3.json] registering path "com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_x3.json"
[Info :com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_x4.json] registering path "com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/spark_x4.json"
[Info :com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/archive/spark_ds4g1.json] registering path "com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/archive/spark_ds4g1.json"
[Info :com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/archive/spark_spt100.json] registering path "com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/archive/spark_spt100.json"
[Info :com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/archive/spark_x2.json] registering path "com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/archive/spark_x2.json"
[Info :com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/archive/spark_x3.json] registering path "com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/archive/spark_x3.json"
[Info :com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/archive/spark_x4.json] registering path "com.github.schlosrat.spark/lfo/plumes/archive/spark_x4.json"

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I see I stuffed some old plume defs in an archive folder. It seems they're getting registered.

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This sure looks like a problem...

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[Error :Lux's Flames and Ornaments] Ion was not created! Exception:
System.Collections.Generic.KeyNotFoundException: The given key was not present in the dictionary.
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) [0x0001e] in <695d1cc93cca45069c528c15c9fdd749>:0 at LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments.LFO.GetShader (System.String name) [0x00005] in <85a6c179a2e74efbbadb0902c63eeeee>:0 at LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments.Settings.ShaderConfig.ToMaterial () [0x00001] in <85a6c179a2e74efbbadb0902c63eeeee>:0 at LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments.Settings.PlumeConfig.GetMaterial () [0x00001] in <85a6c179a2e74efbbadb0902c63eeeee>:0 at LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments.Settings.LFOConfig.InstantiatePlume (System.String partName, UnityEngine.GameObject& prefab) [0x0023f] in <85a6c179a2e74efbbadb0902c63eeeee>:0 [Error :Lux's Flames and Ornaments] Ion was not created! Exception: System.Collections.Generic.KeyNotFoundException: The given key was not present in the dictionary. at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) [0x0001e] in <695d1cc93cca45069c528c15c9fdd749>:0
at LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments.LFO.GetShader (System.String name) [0x00005] in <85a6c179a2e74efbbadb0902c63eeeee>:0
at LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments.Settings.ShaderConfig.ToMaterial () [0x00001] in <85a6c179a2e74efbbadb0902c63eeeee>:0
at LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments.Settings.PlumeConfig.GetMaterial () [0x00001] in <85a6c179a2e74efbbadb0902c63eeeee>:0
at LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments.Settings.LFOConfig.InstantiatePlume (System.String partName, UnityEngine.GameObject& prefab) [0x0023f] in <85a6c179a2e74efbbadb0902c63eeeee>:0

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I suspect the first instance was me loading the old save, and the second was when I launched the new craft

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Though I see that there are actually three instances of that in the BIE log. The very first one is this:

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[Info :Lux's OAB Extensions] SPARK applied LOABEConfigs to 5 parts
[Warning: TTR] No parts were declared before load.
[Info :ToolbarBackend] App bar creation event started: Flight
[Error :Lux's Flames and Ornaments] Ion was not created! Exception:
System.Collections.Generic.KeyNotFoundException: The given key was not present in the dictionary.
at System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) [0x0001e] in <695d1cc93cca45069c528c15c9fdd749>:0
at LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments.LFO.GetShader (System.String name) [0x00005] in <85a6c179a2e74efbbadb0902c63eeeee>:0
at LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments.Settings.ShaderConfig.ToMaterial () [0x00001] in <85a6c179a2e74efbbadb0902c63eeeee>:0
at LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments.Settings.PlumeConfig.GetMaterial () [0x00001] in <85a6c179a2e74efbbadb0902c63eeeee>:0
at LuxsFlamesAndOrnaments.Settings.LFOConfig.InstantiatePlume (System.String partName, UnityEngine.GameObject& prefab) [0x0023f] in <85a6c179a2e74efbbadb0902c63eeeee>:0
[Info :ToolbarBackend] Added appbar button: BTN-K2D2Button
[Info :ToolbarBackend] Added appbar button: BTN-FlightPlanFlight
[Info :ToolbarBackend] Added appbar button: BTN-LazyOrbitButton
[Info :ToolbarBackend] Added appbar button: BTN-ManeuverNodeControllerFlight

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 3:07 AM

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but thats for other plume, the ION plume

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which is not the name of yours

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testing in my game rn

narrow gate Sep 13, 2023, 3:09 AM

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Found it!

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It was the stupid archive folder!

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Check this out

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Needs all sorts of tweaking, but it's in the game and that's a plume!

chilly minnow Sep 13, 2023, 3:10 AM

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oh cool

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