Stellar Plasma-Assisted Rocket Kinetics (SPARK) | KSP2 Redux | Page 4

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 10:44 PM

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well current session will clear once you close substance

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project will import to your projec,t so other projects wont have acess

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 10:44 PM

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Does it matter much wehre I put the files in the long run?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 10:45 PM

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narrow gate Does it matter much wehre I put the files in the long run?

as in the substance painter project file?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 10:45 PM

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narrow gate Does it matter much wehre I put the files in the long run?

or the imported assets?

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 10:45 PM

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I was thinking of the files themselves

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 10:45 PM

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oh, yeah i mean

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you'll use them for every part

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so put them in the library

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so that you always have them

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 10:46 PM

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I mean the files on the disk, should I put them somewhere handy? Will I need them again? Does SP access them each time it starts up or anything like that?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 10:46 PM

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oh im sorry sobcatpop

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SP will create a copy of them in the right place

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this one tho, you'll need to place on the right place

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 10:47 PM

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That's nice of it

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 10:47 PM

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but you can download to anywhere and then just copy it

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or cut it

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 10:48 PM

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So the paintable one goes in that location, but the others can be anywhere?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 10:48 PM

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yup!

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and then you New>Import Resources those other 2

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 10:50 PM

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What if there isn't a templets folder already? Just creat it, or does SP want to creat it? I know LrC can get all crabby about files like that.

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 10:50 PM

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yup!

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create it!

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everything in lowercase btw

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after this, if you open substance, and create a new project

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you'll have a new template

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the Parts Paintable

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select that one, select your part

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and for your part you can get away with 2048 i think

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since it aint massive

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 10:51 PM

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One sec, I think I need to digest this info

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 10:53 PM

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narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 10:55 PM

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What about the other options like OpenGL and Use UV Tile workflow, etc. Are defaults OK for KSP2 parts

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 10:56 PM

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that doesnt matter much

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if you want to be 100% correct

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switch ti directx

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but the other options are irrelevant (most of the times)

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i can give you a quick rundown of them tho

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 10:56 PM

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Oh wait, I think the template is the key thing. One sec

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Hmmm, that's an intersting thing. I may have gotten more than I wanted.

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 10:59 PM

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Document resoulution - size of the texture
Normal Map Format - OpenGL or DirectX (each handle normal maps a bit diffrently, but any option works good on either engines)
UV Tile Sets (UDIMs)
Use UV Tile Flow - this alows you to paint outside the texture, which can be used for some other things, but for our case, its useless
Import Cameras - self explanatory, you can import if you want to do a pretty render, but not needed otherwise
Auto-Unwrap - Substance has an Unwrap feature, and oyu can later export your mesh to blender or unity, dont recomend it but the unwrap is pretty good ngl

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:00 PM

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What if I forgot and there was a cube in my blender project for the plume? Can I dlete that object from SP?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:00 PM

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no :D

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can you show me

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how ur SP looks?

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i wanna see smth, cuz im pretty sure its all messed up xD

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but its easy to fix!

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:00 PM

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Hypothetically, that I think

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:01 PM

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ok so

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the way that substance painter works

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is that, you see up there, on the right?

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each of those is a Texture set

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meaning that, each of those exports 1 texture

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here's what you should do

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and this is a good practice to keep

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im guessing that you'll do all of your textures on SP from now on

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so, put everything that is of your part with the same material

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and for conveniece sake, name the material the partName

serene abyss Aug 31, 2023, 11:02 PM

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in blender, instead of adding blender kit materials add just normal default materials and bake an id map with textools

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then you can make all the objects use one material then export

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and use the id map to control where something goes where

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:03 PM

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well it works yeah, but then he has to import the id map no?

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i was gonna teach him how to paint id maps

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:05 PM

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I'm looking at this hot mess and wondering if it wouldn't be smarter to go back to blender and save a new version then delete everything that I don't want to be in SP

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I'd still have the old version if I wanted to go back to that

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:05 PM

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no need

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just set all the materials on the part the same material

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the other things wont be exported dw!

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:07 PM

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Well, how would I do that?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:07 PM

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well

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a sec i'll show you!

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as simple as this!

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:10 PM

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OK, I see where I was confused! You meant set all the materials the same in Blender!

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:10 PM

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yeah xD im sorry

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:10 PM

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I thought you ment do them in SP?

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This is easy now. Give me a minute and they'll all be a default material, is that about right?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:11 PM

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yup! just name them something nice!

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:16 PM

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They seem to be disappearing as I go. Perhaps I've goofed up the material?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:17 PM

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wym by disapearing?

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can you record it?

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:17 PM

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Also, I deleted the objects that don't need to be there, but now my whole thing is invisible

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:18 PM

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OH!

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i see

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:18 PM

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It's there, but not viosible

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:18 PM

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you seem to be creating a diffrent type of material

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:19 PM

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Yes, I specified transparent aluminum, was that a poor choice?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:19 PM

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are you sure thats the defaults material?

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:19 PM

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No not at all

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:19 PM

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transparent

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:19 PM

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not at all sure

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:19 PM

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xD, the material can be whatever you want tho! it really doesnt matter

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tho it helps that you select a material where you can see xD

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:19 PM

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It's a star trek joke from Star Trek IV, you're probably to yougn to catch the reference

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sorry.

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:20 PM

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never watched any space movies

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other than

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interstellar

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xD

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im more of a horror movies and cult movies guy xD

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https://tenor.com/view/gsaf-go-suck-a-fuck-donnie-darko-gif-18688849

Tenor

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HOW DOES ONE SUCK A FUCK?

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god i love that movie

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:23 PM

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I'm having the weirdest lag

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chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:24 PM

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lag?

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:24 PM

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It takes like forever to post a 1mb image

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:24 PM

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well that already looks amazing!

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:24 PM

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Sometimes even my text text a while to show up

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:24 PM

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oh thats been happening to me all day too

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dw

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also

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just for good measure

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select the center of your part

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the anode on the center should work

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center the 3d cursor on it

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:25 PM

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chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:25 PM

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shift+s>cursor to selected

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:25 PM

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IT pretty much is. I believe I left the 3d cursor on the world origin

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:25 PM

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and shift+a>Empty>Single Arrow

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and point it upwards

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and rename it to thrustTransform

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:26 PM

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I have several empties there. I'm using them for rotational arrays

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OK you want a new one

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:26 PM

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the diffrence is that the arrow will leave Z- as the arrow direction

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which translates to unity

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which translates to KSP2 thrust transforms!

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:27 PM

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narrow gate OK you want a new one

the diffrence here is the name!

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:27 PM

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chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:27 PM

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im just showing you good practices xD

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perfecto

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:27 PM

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And it's a single arrow. 1mm I think

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So microscoptic

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:28 PM

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size doesnt matter 🙄

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xD

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now, position it upwards

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:28 PM

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That's not what she said

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:28 PM

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till its pretty close to the "nozzle"

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and that should be all for an export!

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select everything thats part of thje part, and the thrust transform arrow

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:29 PM

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narrow gate That's not what she said

shes not worth it then Sad_Chick

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:29 PM

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There she is! a 1mm single arrow precisely 325mm up from world origin on the Z axis

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:29 PM

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now, export it, check selected objects btw!

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Lmao its

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almost

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invisible

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:30 PM

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Don't tell her that!

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For selected, you want just the thrustTransform, or all the real parts?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:31 PM

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all real parts AND thrustTransform

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:31 PM

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Will any of the other emptys matter? I've kept them as they're still needed for the arrays and I didn't want to apply the arrays

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I applied all the booleans of course

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:32 PM

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not at all

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you can not select them

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you can have them unselected

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is a better way to say that

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i think xD

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:32 PM

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chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:33 PM

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now just export with selected objects on

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and create anew project on SP

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:33 PM

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chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:34 PM

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only 1

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hmm

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but your

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uv unwrap doesnt seem right

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do you still have 2 on blender?

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:35 PM

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Only one what? material?

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Is the UV unwrap what's showing in the middle?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:35 PM

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only 1 texture set!

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spart x3

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as you can see on the top right corner

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ok i should accostume you to the SP window

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:35 PM

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Well yeah, that's what you told me to do!

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Apply same texture to all things

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No?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:36 PM

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yeah, its right!

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the problem is

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on the right, you have your mode unwrap

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should look something like this

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check on blender, how your unwrap looks

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something's probably messed up there

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:37 PM

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Huh, looks like I need to re-unwrap

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Not a big deal

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It did this thing again!

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WTF, blender?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:38 PM

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i mean

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it looks ok

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:38 PM

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What is your freaking problem?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:38 PM

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oh

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i see

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the gigantic

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:38 PM

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No it doesn't

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:38 PM

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xD

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:39 PM

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chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:39 PM

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ah yes xD

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you can just unwrap everything and it will work probably

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:40 PM

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UV Smart Project > Pack Islands

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FTW!

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:41 PM

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thats what i also do!

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great

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now same deal

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export with thrust transform

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also

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you can reimport meshes in SP

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Edit>Reimport Mesh

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:41 PM

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Better?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:41 PM

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looks great!

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:42 PM

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I used 0.003 spacing

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:42 PM

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narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:42 PM

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Why are there different shades on the UV map?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:42 PM

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recorded this 45 min ago AsukaDead

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:42 PM

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narrow gate Why are there different shades on the UV map?

youll understand after this step!

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its hard to explain

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but think of it as if it was your part, unwraped on its current state

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so ie, the lower part is on the shade

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so it is darker there

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:44 PM

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So your video seems to be applying a material to the whole thing.

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Specifically the KPS2 part material?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:45 PM

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exactly!

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you can just drag and drop!

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:46 PM

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I don't see that material

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chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:47 PM

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its on the smart materials

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you can also search

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but those 8 icons on the top

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are the diffrent types of assets

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:47 PM

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Ahh got it

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It's shiney!

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:47 PM

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great

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i made that smart material

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it will help u a ton

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but first

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lets play a game

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https://tenor.com/view/im-here-jigsaw-saw7-saw3d-coming-gif-21902171

Tenor

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find

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the Bake button

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hint: Its food

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:48 PM

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Crisont?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:49 PM

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exactly!

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click on it

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click on common settings, an change the output size to 2048

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:49 PM

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chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:49 PM

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idk why they make it so small by default

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so, what this does, is that it bakes the important maps for you!

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:49 PM

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It's already 2048

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:50 PM

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and these maps are used by masks, smart materials and all that fun stuff

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you can bake everything except the opacity

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so just check the boxes next to them

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and click bake!

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:52 PM

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Well, once I found the gigantic blue bake button... Jesus christ that was fast!

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:53 PM

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xD

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:53 PM

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chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:53 PM

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after that you can go back to the painting tab!

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:54 PM

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Yep.

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:54 PM

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great, now you can start painting

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its pretty straight forward on here!

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im guessing oyu want to make everything metallic

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just diffrent colors right?

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:55 PM

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Sorta. There a lot that's just white ceramic, and generally a lot that's shiney metallic - but probably can should be painted by the player

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:55 PM

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hmm interesting

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SP might have ceramic by default

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:55 PM

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Then there are a few things that I'd like to control like the anodes and the feed lines, etc.

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:56 PM

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if not you can just download one

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:56 PM

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There's some copper visible in there too

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:56 PM

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its kinda like Blender MAterial Kit

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https://substance3d.adobe.com/community-assets?q=ceramic&u=ceramic

Substance 3D Community Assets Homepage on Substance 3D Community As...

Download and share assets created by the Substance 3D community.

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:56 PM

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Cool, I've used that and it was easy

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:57 PM

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https://substance3d.adobe.com/community-assets/assets/7d2479f022a1a0b22c6886590457a2beb42512c8
https://substance3d.adobe.com/community-assets/assets/f06a28556334c5fdd2faffff48ab6344c7d9ac26
https://substance3d.adobe.com/community-assets/assets/1813c0705618afbbdad30a774c7c688aeb10bde6

Porcelain Ceramic Substance Smart Material on Substance 3D Communit...

Ceramic Porcelain

ceramic grey glaze Substance Smart Material on Substance 3D Communi...

Smart material - grey ceramic glaze with reddish clay and speckled inside. It's based on generators so don't forget to bake your maps :) Might need some tweaking to get the position of the clay/glaze where you want it.

(I've edited the normal map slightly since the renders)

Enamel Ceramic Substance Smart Material on Substance 3D Community A...

Enamel Ceramic Material

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check these 3

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~2nd one seems pretty good i think

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:57 PM

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Is there a way to access that from inside SP, or is it a two step procedure - download from net, then slurp into SP?

chilly minnow Aug 31, 2023, 11:58 PM

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i think its a 2 step process only

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for now

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substance painter is pretty new

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i think only for the past year has been adobe business

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and its like 5 years old? maybe 8

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but you can imagine that a indie software company doesnt have that much resources to have a material page with integration working

narrow gate Aug 31, 2023, 11:59 PM

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My ceramic stuff will be pretty boring white stuff. It shouldn't have a cracked glaze or any fancy stuff. Think the most plain simple white dishes from Ikea only not as glossy

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Looks like White Paint is close enough

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Downloading it now

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:02 AM

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oh thats almost all customieable most of the times

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dw

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:03 AM

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I suppose I need to import thisinto the project, or should I import to library since I'd likey use in more than one project?

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:04 AM

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i mean up to you

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probably library is good

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since you dont have many custom assets

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:04 AM

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Got it. Done.

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How do I get that on just some specific parts and not the whole shebang?

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:05 AM

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well

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thats a bit funny

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just like photoshop

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this has masks

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:06 AM

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It imported my fbx, I'd think at some point it kinda knows my parts

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:06 AM

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it does

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also

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save your project!

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open the KSP Part

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:06 AM

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done

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:06 AM

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its a folder as you can see

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and search for the base material, should be on the bottom

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:07 AM

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This?

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:07 AM

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drag and drop your ceramic material into that subfolder (the base material)

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yes!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:08 AM

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I think I did it wrong...

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:08 AM

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why?

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you rpobably did it right dw

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:08 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:08 AM

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no its right dw

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ist a smar material

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smart materials are folders

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but thats no issue

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right click on it, Add black mask

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:09 AM

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ok

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:09 AM

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now if you click on the mask

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you will start painting in the mask

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theres a load of tools

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but if you go to this one

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you'll have the paint tris, quads, objects or texture regions

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tris and quads are straight forward

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:10 AM

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polygon fill

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selected

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:10 AM

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exactly!

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these 4 are the ones im talking about btw

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tris, quands objects and texture region

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Object, is everyting that is connected

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probably the option youre looking for

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if you click on the 3d option

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and click on one of the parts you want to paint

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you should see it change to ceramic

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:11 AM

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It changed but not to ceramic

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It looks like this

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:12 AM

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see the grunge layer?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:12 AM

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Its the outermost discharge chamger

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:12 AM

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click on the eye on that

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how does it look now?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:12 AM

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a little better

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:13 AM

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not quite right yet?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:13 AM

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not even close tbh

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:13 AM

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if you ctrl click the mask you hide it

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:13 AM

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Does that look like white paint to you?

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:13 AM

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not at all xD

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maybe its the material!

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hide the mask

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does the material look like what you want?

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it will apply to the whole part

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so you can have a better understanding of what the material is

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:14 AM

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I'm a little lost. Ctrl-click on the mask did nothing.

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:15 AM

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shift!

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srry

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been a little while since i played with SP

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:15 AM

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I tried just clicking on it and it looks different but not better. It's like everything is in shades of gray and still very grungy

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:15 AM

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shift click on it!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:16 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:16 AM

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also, let me download the same material

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which one was it? the middle one?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:16 AM

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nope

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the outermost deep channel

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:16 AM

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nono

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what material are you using?

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from the ones i sent you

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:16 AM

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chilly minnow https://substance3d.adobe.com/community-assets/assets/7d2479f022a1a0b22c68865904...

these

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:17 AM

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This one

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https://substance3d.adobe.com/community-assets/assets/01653aa21b78ca6c404fcaf8b00d24b7b2d6e5d1

White Paint Substance Smart Material on Substance 3D Community Assets

White paint with structures

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brb

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:19 AM

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this is how it looks by default btw

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let me make a ceramic material for you a sec

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:20 AM

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God that's awful!

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False advertising!

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I want my money back

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:21 AM

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xD

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:21 AM

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Heck, double my money for pain an suffering!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:23 AM

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ceramic

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📎 ceramic.spsm

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there!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:24 AM

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https://www.innovacera.com/product/boron-nitride-ceramics

INNOVACERA

Boron Nitride Ceramics | INNOVACERA

Hexagonal Boron Nitride has a microstructure similar to that of Graphite. In both materials this structure, made up of layers of tiny platelets, is responsible for excellent machinability and low-fric…

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there!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:24 AM

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chilly minnow drag and drop your ceramic material into that subfolder (the base material)

then go back to this step

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also, delete the old one!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:24 AM

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I'm telling you this is the most plain white featerless stuff you've ever encountered

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:24 AM

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OHHH!

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its not the reflective ceramic

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its the

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opaque ceramic

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i'll fix it a sec

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:25 AM

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Yeah, dull, not glossy, and like zero color

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:28 AM

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try this!

📎 ceramic_1.spsm

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not perfect

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but these details wont even be seen in game xD

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:31 AM

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Hmmm, I thought I imported it to the library

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But I can't find it

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:31 AM

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search for name

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:31 AM

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It's a smart material?

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:31 AM

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yup!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:32 AM

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I'll try re-importing it

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Still not seeing it.

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Even searching all types

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:33 AM

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can you show me

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how it looks?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:33 AM

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Nothing once I get to 5 letters into the name

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:34 AM

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a sec let me check something when importing

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i dont get it it should appear after importing

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ok easier

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on the Base Material folder

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right click

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create Fill Layer

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Add Fill

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sorry

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ugh

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wait

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this

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narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:36 AM

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Add Fill?

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:36 AM

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then!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:38 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:38 AM

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and there

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you have your ceramic

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then, just add a mask as we were doing

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polygon fill

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and select the places you want

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feel free to make it more or less rough

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and to change the color as you want

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:40 AM

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I'm sorry, I can't follow that. It's to fast and my contacts are getting fuzzy - they've been in too long

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:41 AM

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oh no problem

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ok

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so on that fill layer

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scroll all the way to the bottom on the Properties tab

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(the tab just below the layers)

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and leave select only Color, Metallic and Roughness

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click on the color, and change to white

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metallic should be at 0

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and roughness, i'd say .3 is a good value

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there, you created your first material on SP

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:43 AM

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Yeah, that was easy!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:43 AM

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great

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now, do the whole mask thingie

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:43 AM

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Looks pretty good, and this is definitely helping!

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Yep yep

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:43 AM

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also, you can toggle Grunge back on!

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(it will make it look a bit wierd, but i'll explain it in a bit)

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:44 AM

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It wanted to select a little much in one place. It must thing there's too little space between the cathode and it's boron nitride wall in the center

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other than that, it's good

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I get this for simple colors. It's easy!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:45 AM

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you can manipulate the color as you want btw!

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alt click to rotate

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:45 AM

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I'll still need a few materials, but hopefully the process is like beofre but with better results

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:45 AM

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alt middle click to pan

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:45 AM

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narrow gate I'll still need a few materials, but hopefully the process is like beofre but wi...

pretty much yeah

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i mean, its better to use premade materials as they look better

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specially for someone thats starting since you dont know how to create good looking materials

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but its ok, you can always revisit it

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:46 AM

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chilly minnow specially for someone thats starting since you dont know how to create good look...

For sure on the metals

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:46 AM

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you'll see that the process is pretty fast too

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whats next on the list?

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for paiting i mean

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:46 AM

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Well, how about a nice shiney stainless steel? There will be a lot of that

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:47 AM

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thats already on SP!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:47 AM

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Specifically the inside part of the cathode here

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:47 AM

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if you search for steel

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you'll find a pletherea

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i'd recommend the Steel

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you'll see its a bit dirty tho

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we'll fix that

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if you open the material folder

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you'll see a lot of stuff

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:49 AM

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It's kinda horrible, looks like this

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I mean that's not like steel at all unless it's fresh out of a fire

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:50 AM

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i feel like this will look nice

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try to make your Steel folder look like this

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i just deleted a couple of stuff!

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also, can you send me a screenshot of the whole SP window?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:51 AM

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Delete or just hide eye?

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:52 AM

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also delete finish brush

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the smaller line

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under base

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SP layers can have "effects" to them

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which are those smaller lines

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:53 AM

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narrow gate

both work honestly, up to you

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delete is permanent tho, but i dont think you'll want those details anyway

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also dont look at things that up close xD

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:53 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:53 AM

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look at it as if you're looking at game distance

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looks perfect!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:54 AM

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Looks black

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:54 AM

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if you look up that close, you'll end up wanting to have a 8k texture

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:54 AM

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Not even kinda shiny

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:54 AM

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hide the roughness details

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:55 AM

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Figurted it out. Wait for video

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:55 AM

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np!

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changed the roughness?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:55 AM

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Something to do with rotation of the view... lighting?

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:56 AM

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well

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yeah!

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so

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substance painter simulates and enviroment for you

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so that oyu can see al the details

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:56 AM

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:56 AM

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so basically, you were reflecting a black area

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so your material was black, since its metallic

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:56 AM

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I guess so

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:57 AM

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too noisy?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:57 AM

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I can zoom way in and it's sorta metalic

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:57 AM

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disable the grunge again!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:57 AM

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not like a polished or brushed stainless, but splotchy like it's galvanzied steel

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:58 AM

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the grunge, is a layer that i added, that adds details that the stock game textures have

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pretty much making your parts stock-a-like

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it adds a couple of noises and some other fun stuff

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:59 AM

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That view above was grunge off, this is grunge on

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:59 AM

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oh ok

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then

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do you still ahve roughness details

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on the steel folder?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 12:59 AM

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yep

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 12:59 AM

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you can delete these 2

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and then select base

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and edit its roughness to maybe .15

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or even .1

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see what you'll like the msot

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:01 AM

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I did that and it's much shinyer now, but you know what really looks like steel? It's the KSP2 Steel texture I think

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See the support arms?

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:02 AM

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do you have it?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:02 AM

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Those look like steel

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:02 AM

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that is something that i created

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but im not sure if you have it

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you can use that too if you want!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:02 AM

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I think I do.

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have it

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:02 AM

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i meant on the assets!

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you can also just copy paste that!

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or even add a mask to that layer!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:02 AM

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I think I may have applied it to the whole thing at one point

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:03 AM

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thats the default material of the smart material

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it comes with the KSP2 Part smart material

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that you applied at the start

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but im not sure if the KSP2 Steel material will also be imported

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if not

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here

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📎 KSP2_Steel.sppr 📎 KSP2_Tank.sppr 📎 KSP_Gray_Steel.sppr 📎 KSP2_DarkSteel.sppr

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4 materials that icreated with the KSP2 colors

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:04 AM

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Excellent! Thos will be very helpful

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I think I'm getting tyhe hang of it here, but I need a break. My eyes are killing me. I'd like to play around with this and check back in tomorrow with you.

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:05 AM

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i actually think they look quite bad thus me not sending but i gues snot xD

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:05 AM

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I'm sure I'll have a lot of questions!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:05 AM

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oh for sure!

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dont worry

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today was pretty confusing xD

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probably cuz im a bit tired too!

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either way! we''l continue tomorow then!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:06 AM

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Thanks man! This is awesome!

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I do like how it works. Kinda more intuiitive for me

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Like other Adobe products

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:07 AM

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and way more visual too

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youll also see how much easier is the bake process!

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its literally just 1 click and you bake all 6 textures that ksp wants

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:07 AM

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I'll like that for sure!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:19 PM

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:21 PM

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what did u try to do?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:21 PM

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Well...

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I'll tell you!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:21 PM

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also, check the console, thats where the issue is!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:21 PM

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I painted everything in SP

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I wasn't able to get the emission to only be on some faces, so I said screw it and made a few choice parts totally emissive - I think

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HEre are my maps that I baked

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:22 PM

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narrow gate I wasn't able to get the emission to only be on some faces, so I said screw it a...

change the polygon fill mode

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:22 PM

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📎 spark_x3_sp.fbx

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:22 PM

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from object, to quads (2nd option)

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:22 PM

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Oh I tried that.

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Should my emission map be red like that?

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:23 PM

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well for your case it shuld be white

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you can just change the color

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if you go to the emissive layer

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and scroll down

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the layer, not the mask!

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there you have the emission color

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also, enable the grunge!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:24 PM

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OK, done and done. Re-baking

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Exporting

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:24 PM

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you dont need to Bake the textures again btw

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you can just hit export textures

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you only need to bake the textures when you change the mesh

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:25 PM

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better?

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:25 PM

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ok

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:26 PM

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So... then one day in unity...

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I probably messed up

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:26 PM

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no dw

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:26 PM

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But I meant well, honest!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:26 PM

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thats easy to fix!

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also, did the quad mode not work for you?

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to paint just one side

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:28 PM

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We can go back to that, but I'd rather solve the Unity mess I've made and just see if I can get it into the game since the other problem will just be a matter of re-exporting (ha! I learned!) and then fixing the material in Unity

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:28 PM

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whats on the console?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:29 PM

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Would you like to know how I made this mess or can the good Dr. Lux diagnose the ailment from the console?

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:30 PM

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reimport the game

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better

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the ksp2 folder

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KSP2_64x

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:31 PM

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chilly minnow KSP2_64x

I think I know what re-import the game means, that's easy and I just forgot to do it. I need to each tiome I launch this beast. What does reimport the ksp2 folder mean?

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We may be talking the same thing.

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To me, re-import the game means right click here and pick reimport

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:32 PM

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yeah its exactly that

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did that not work?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:32 PM

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Also, I've found that I should always pick No Thanks at this step...

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:33 PM

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click i made a backup

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:33 PM

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If I pick the other, it restarts Unity and then I'm back to square one

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:33 PM

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are you selecting Reimport or ReImport all?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:33 PM

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Just reimport

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:33 PM

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heh

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:33 PM

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Never all

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Should it be all?

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:34 PM

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nono your doing it right

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can you clear the console

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and send me what s left?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:34 PM

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I'm doing it again so I can try the I Mad a BAckup path

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Huh, it didn't ask me that this time...

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There is a lot on the console... I probably should have cleared first...

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OK, cleared... Reimport again to see if trouble happens?

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:36 PM

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is there anything in the console left?

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or is it totally clear?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:36 PM

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Nope

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totally clear now

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Also looks like ass

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Not like in SP at all

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Everything I've painted is super dark

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:37 PM

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click fixnow

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on the normal texture

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:37 PM

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OK did

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looks the same to me

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:38 PM

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have youj applied the material to all?

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you have multiple meshes

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:38 PM

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Well if you move the view around it looks better in some places.. like this

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:39 PM

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disable lightning

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:39 PM

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Massively distorted, but better

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:39 PM

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to see if it looks better

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:39 PM

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Oooo!

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Not to shabby!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:41 PM

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export to the game and see how it looks

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:41 PM

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This is a little weird to me

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:41 PM

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probably too reflective?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:41 PM

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Not sure it's ready to be exported... Let's rewind to the chaos I've made!

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So...

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I had the old mesh in there, and the new one has a new UV unwrap, so I needed to get rid of it.

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I bring in the new FBX and textures...

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Edited the prefab...

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Moved the mesh object and col child out of the old fbx part (spark_x3) and into the new one spark_x3_sp

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I believe I unpacked that one too, as it was blue even while inside the prefab

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Now I've got this

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I suspect I'm not ready to buiild and need to do something to redo the prefab first

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:45 PM

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probably not

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maybe

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change the col to a mesh collider

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:45 PM

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Out of the prefab editor it's this now

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So at a minimum I bet I need to change the name - which I can now as I deleted the old spark_x3

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Yeah, and the collider seems wrong for sure now

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spark_x3_sp renamed to spark_x3 - so consistent with partName now

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 1:48 PM

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it looks great!

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try to export it!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 1:49 PM

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Moved the col, now it looks like this

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Maybe now it's ready, I'll build it.

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Launching KSP2 now

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Wait... There's this?

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Did I miss a step?

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I clicked Fix Now and am rebuilding...

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Maybe I did it wrong? It looks like this in game

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No emission from the emissive parts, and it really looks more like the old model than the new one.. I'd have to look at previous videos to be sure

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Yeah... not sure... Maybe it's different now. #1141807690264367135 message

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:02 PM

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chilly minnow it looks great!

What do you think? Is this what you'd expect given what we saw in Unity and SP?

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I was expecting moar texture like this

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In the game it looks flat, not textured

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:04 PM

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thats

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on the parts

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also

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metallic seems wrong

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can you show me the materials settings?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:04 PM

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:05 PM

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metallic/smoothness map to 1

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show me the MOdule_Engine emissive settings

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should be something like

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Emissive material

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:06 PM

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I think we found the issue! And by "we" I mean "you"...

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:06 PM

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xD

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:06 PM

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:06 PM

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the matallic smoothness map should always be one

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:06 PM

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Something missing? 🙂

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:07 PM

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on the Emissive Material Names

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add a new one

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and set as the same material name that you have for your!

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MisatoPray

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thats all!

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how does it look now btw?

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in unity

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:08 PM

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So that on metallic?

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It was 0

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:09 PM

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should be 1 yeah

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how does it look?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:10 PM

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Like this in Unity

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Plume seems off now

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:11 PM

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looks right

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off to the game then!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:11 PM

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This is not an issue?

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Hang on, there's something that's not been applied!

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OK, applied - plume still looks a little off but I'm building to get it into the game

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Looks very flat and gray in game...

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:16 PM

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metallic still not right

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can you show me the lower part of the materials ettings?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:17 PM

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You know what this is, don't you?

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Cause I think I do...

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IT'S THE FUCKING PAINT!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:19 PM

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probably not xD

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:19 PM

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I've got a working paint map now

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:19 PM

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OH

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WAIT

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yeah, the whole part is painted

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probably

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:19 PM

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and so the part gets painted

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:19 PM

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go to vab and try transparent paint

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:20 PM

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Though I did not apply paint to the copper and it does look flat and crappy

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Going to the VAB!

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Well, relaunching the game first...

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much better!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:23 PM

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seems right

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:24 PM

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I think I want to redo the paint map... Which parts do you think should get paint? Maybe not the parts of the thruster itself, but only the structure and base?

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I really like the look of the metal with the copper under it. I don't want that messed up with paint

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However, I think the emissivity was still wrong. I don't recall seeing any big glow from the parts that should be glowing with the engine on

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How do you unpaint a part in SP?

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Do I need to just reset the base layer in PaintMap or is there an easier way to unpaint some parts?

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:28 PM

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reset the masks

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if they're both full black

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none of the part will be painted

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:30 PM

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I didn't see a reset mask so I went with clear mask. I don't think that did it as there's still a red mask boundary on a lot of stuff

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:31 PM

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no thats right

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clear mask does it!

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you can try to export

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if the paintmap is all blue

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then its working

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you can also alt+click a mask to see only the mask

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:34 PM

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What about this?

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How do you undo the Alt-Click on the mask? That was very helpful, but I'd like to turn it off now

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nvm, figured it out. just clicked on another mask, then clicked back

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hmmm... why are some parts of paintmap gray?

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:39 PM

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narrow gate How do you undo the Alt-Click on the mask? That was very helpful, but I'd like t...

alt click it again!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:39 PM

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narrow gate

they shouldnt be

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clear the accent mask too

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:40 PM

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alt clicking again doesn't do it

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Accent mask cleared

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Should I have rebaked?

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Same. Rebaked and exported and still got the same thing as above.

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Of course, after clearing the accent mask I also set some thing in it. That was wrong maybe?

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Not much is in the accent map.

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I'll clear it again.

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:44 PM

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accent map adds red

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base adds green

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blue is everywhere

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so blue+green+red = white

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and since the texture is semi transparent, it looks grey for you

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:45 PM

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Oh

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:45 PM

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but yeah, thats whats causing the gray areas

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:45 PM

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OK those are fine then

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Rebuilding..

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Looks like this in the VAB

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:53 PM

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seems right

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does it seem right to you?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:54 PM

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And like this in flight (with gray on gray paint... 🙂 )

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Yes, seems right

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Players should be able to paint parts of it I suppose. Personally I like it better as metalic, but that's me

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Then the "working" parts look as they do.

coral orbit Sep 1, 2023, 2:55 PM

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Looks pretty cool

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:55 PM

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only missing emissive i think

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:55 PM

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I think the Dawn lets you paint it's base

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Yep!

coral orbit Sep 1, 2023, 2:55 PM

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Damn the quality of parts mods is increasing

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:56 PM

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MisatoPray

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gotta improve the volumetric shaders, maybe add distortion to them

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:56 PM

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The quality of parts mod tutorials and modding assistence is throught the roof!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:56 PM

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but havent had time on the past days AsukaDead

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tutorials wouldnt say so xD but assistance is top notch

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:56 PM

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chilly minnow but havent had time on the past days <:AsukaDead:880249910769897542>

My fault!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:56 PM

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pretty much 24/7

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no, its not your fault at all xD

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i've just not been home most of the time

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:57 PM

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lol, I'm not so sure...

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:57 PM

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oh dw, while i help u, when im at home, im also working on the plumes

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:57 PM

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Multitasking FTW!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:57 PM

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MisatoPray

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ok so for emissive

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 2:57 PM

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Yeah!

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Unity or SP?

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Probably unity...

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:58 PM

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you should look at these

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Use emissive true obviously

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set the material name

coral orbit Sep 1, 2023, 2:58 PM

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Should just make parts using poiyomi shaders for vrchat

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:58 PM

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and then, emissive temperature curve

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 2:59 PM

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coral orbit Should just make parts using poiyomi shaders for vrchat

i mean go ahead, i can easly integrate any shader into the game xD

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i do need to check on how to add other shaders to the reflection probe tho

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either way, the way that the Emissive Temperate Curve works is

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it goes from time 0-1

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and value wtv you want, but its better to keep it 0-1 too

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:00 PM

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:01 PM

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this would be good for your curve i think

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as of now, its always at 0

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:01 PM

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With this thing, the emission is not really temporal. The strength would be nice to scale with thrust, but I think it's either on or off otherwise

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:01 PM

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yeah

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thats cuz of your curve!

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you can just click on the curve and edit it

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:01 PM

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No, I mean maybe a flat curve

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:01 PM

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oh thats how you want it?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:02 PM

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Yeah, it's electric

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It fires up more or less instantly

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:02 PM

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hmm

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is Use emissive turned on?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:02 PM

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Think of it like a lightbulb on a dimmer switch.

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:03 PM

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well then

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make a linear curve

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from 0.0 to 1.1

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:03 PM

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If the light is off, it's off, but as you apply thrust, twist dimmer knob, it get's brighter right then

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:03 PM

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and then change the lerp rate up and down to something like 1 maybe

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the emissive is not controlled by throttle

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but by temperate

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:04 PM

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:05 PM

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so every second * throttle it will inscrease by Emissive Lerp Rate Up until it reaches max time

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and then when you turn it off it will decrease by Lerp rate down

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by second

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so if you have it at 1 shouldbe instant

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you can test it in game tho

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dont forget to save ur json

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and rexport

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:05 PM

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re export?

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I saved the json

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I did the apply all in overrides

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building...

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:08 PM

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you can test it like this btw

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changing the materials emissive color from black to white

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:09 PM

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The glow may be a bit much, and I apparently missed an anode in the emission map, but it works!

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I really ought to go back and re-do that emission map...

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There are probably too many faces emitting, and also the emission may be too strong.

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:11 PM

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well its white on white

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:11 PM

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I could just switch it to only anodes emitting... hmmm...

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:11 PM

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so it will be bright

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to get the full effect

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:11 PM

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The anodes are not white though and are down inside the channel.

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:11 PM

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put the engine n the shade

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well then its not right!

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oh no it is!

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actually that looks perfect

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apart from the missed one

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they seem to glow just right no?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:13 PM

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It's close, a few polys of the outer anode got painted, but not the whole thing

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In the dark it's quite nice!

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I could still do a better job on the emission map, but this is working!

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To SP!

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Is there a way in SP to select a bunch of connected faces?

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I'd like to get all of the inside vertical faces of the channels, but not their top surface or outsides

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:20 PM

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Texture mode should work

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The last option

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:20 PM

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UV Chunck Fill?

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:21 PM

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Yup

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:21 PM

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I was going at it face by freaking face...

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:21 PM

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This all comes down to how u unwrap and set seams

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If you do it correctly, you can paint everything with a single click

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But thats something that has to be done from the start of the modelling

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:22 PM

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It's not "single click", but it's way better!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:23 PM

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Oh no im actually talking about 1 actual click

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With id maps

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But just hmu when you start your next part and ill teach u

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:25 PM

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I think I got just the faces I wanted.

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Nope, missed a few...

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OK, that's good! Now just re-export, bring that one map in, and re-build!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:26 PM

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Also, click on the textures on unity

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And change the import of them!

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Check to import alpha as transparency

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And on all but paintmap, diffuse and emission turn off color texture

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So metallic, normal and ao should NOT be set as color

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:29 PM

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chilly minnow And change the import of them!

Not following that step (yet). What I've been doing is to delete the old one in unity, drag in a new on, and the material just picks it up since it's got the same name

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There's an easier way?

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Well, of course there is...

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:29 PM

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Just export the textures directly to the unity folder

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Unity auto updates

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And keeps improt settings

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:30 PM

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Oh! hadn't thought of that

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What about alpha? I thought the benjee10 profile took care of that.

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This?

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If so, it was checked for this material

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No it wasn't!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:31 PM

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narrow gate What about alpha? I thought the benjee10 profile took care of that.

It does

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But unity is not that smart

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:32 PM

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sRGB was... So I need to chech the Alpha is Transparency box?

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:32 PM

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Yup! For all except normal

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:33 PM

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It doesn't seem to even be an option on the normal map

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:34 PM

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Thats good!

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Then ur normal is set right

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:34 PM

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OK all are set but normal

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:34 PM

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Those options make ur textures smaller

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Sorry has like 12 parts and its 200mb even with that

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:34 PM

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Rebuilding...

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To KSP!

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Perfecto!

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:38 PM

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Probably too bright noo?

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:40 PM

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Maybe a bit, and the ramp up and down could be faster I think...

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:40 PM

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narrow gate

Set it to 2

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:41 PM

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Should be pretty dang bright in the dark

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 3:41 PM

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narrow gate Should be pretty dang bright in the dark

True, keep it then!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 3:43 PM

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Other than sound being missing, which is not really the end of the world for an ion engine, I think the x3 is about ready. I think I should probably tone down the thrust a bit, it's insanely high, but otherwise Ok

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I am thinking again about the mod name though... SPARK is a clever acronym name, but it's not like Nertea's "Near Future *" line where the name really told you what you'd be getting. I wonder if I should make SPARK the name of the manufacturer and have the mod name be something a bit more practical and descriptive like my other mods

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So the part name can be SPARK X3, but the mod name might be more descriptive... Advanced Electric Propulsion?

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I'm gonna think about that as I run some errands. I would like to release this soon, and I think I will be able to with an X2, X3, and X4 variant. The other two will go so much faster now that you've shown me how!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 10:00 PM

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@chilly minnow / @serene abyss When importing materials into SP, some of the things I've downloaded from the adobe community site (a lot actually) are coming in as undefined and so get discarded. What should I be setting those to so that I can use them?

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 10:01 PM

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just change to the right one

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 10:01 PM

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Basematerial?

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 10:01 PM

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either material or smart material

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i dont think it really matters

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cuz i think its only the folder where they get stored

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 10:01 PM

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 10:02 PM

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do base material yeah

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 10:03 PM

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Thanks!

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The X2 thruster is coming along...

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Sized for 0.625 parts

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Just two channels, so double that of the Dawn...

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Emission map is all set, but I'd like a bit better results on the lower structure. Still need to do the paint map

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And I'll need to do that plume!

narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 10:27 PM

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chilly minnow do base material yeah

Hey I just noticed that I've got two things named thrustTransform on the X3. There's one we created as an empty game object and then edited, and one that results from the single arrow we added in Blender.

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Is that a problem? Should I get rid of one?

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Also, when I've got multiple parts in a single Unity project, how do I hide the ones I'm not working on? This is getting confusing!

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chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 10:33 PM

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narrow gate

yup!

chilly minnow Sep 1, 2023, 10:33 PM

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narrow gate

you dont

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jk

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narrow gate Sep 1, 2023, 11:04 PM

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The eye didn't hing anything. I must have done it wrong. Looking at the "new" thrustTransform, Is see it's listed as "ThrustTransform", and has a rotation of -90 in X. This is maybe applied after the rotation of the part itself which is rotated 180 in Z.

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