Lux's Devlog | KSP2 Redux | Page 4

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 6:45 AM

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oh yeah it is

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dw

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 6:46 AM

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great! :D

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 6:46 AM

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sweeet

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 6:46 AM

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btw it can also be the middle steps like 1.875m etc

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 6:46 AM

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ohhhh alr

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 8:28 AM

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@tiny blaze kaboooom

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top part is nowhere near done though

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 9:35 AM

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took some inspiration from the colony parts

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 10:14 AM

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zarzip

median canopy May 7, 2023, 10:26 AM

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clever "Lux's Devlog" i like it

median canopy May 7, 2023, 10:26 AM

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rotund gyro

these are amazing!

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 1:28 PM

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rotund gyro

I love it tbh

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Good job!

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 4:55 PM

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Welp obivously the angle snap for LOABE is not a method argument

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but its inside the fucking method

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Transpiler it will be then......

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im guessing wireframe?

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and a boolean to make the triangle at the top

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 6:01 PM

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manually cutting all of them in

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 6:02 PM

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well now THATS dedication lmao

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 6:10 PM

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might make it look like this old model i made a while back

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@tiny blaze yo can you transfer crew between parts in ksp 2

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 6:22 PM

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tbh idek

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BUT i can make that possible if the game doesnt have it yet

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 6:23 PM

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ooh alr

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i was gonna make the airlock a seperate part

verbal olive May 7, 2023, 7:01 PM

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it does

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 7:06 PM

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booom

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@tiny blaze

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 7:07 PM

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Amazing!

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what diameter are they btw?

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 7:07 PM

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5m

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 7:07 PM

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good!

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 7:08 PM

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im nt gonna model the bottom tank since you can just use that

verbal olive May 7, 2023, 7:08 PM

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good good

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 7:08 PM

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they look so good too!

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btw if you want i can texture them for you!

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 7:08 PM

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nononononono i love texturing lol

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favorite part

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also i got substance painter

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soo

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 7:08 PM

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lmao i also love texturing thats why i said that xD

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btw, could you provide me w

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so, im testing this new tank frost shader right

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i just need a mask for where the tanks should show the frost

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any color

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its mostly just to test the actual shader

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 7:09 PM

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ooooh

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alr

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oh wait i gotta do the interior

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 7:10 PM

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DONT! xD

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dont worry about interiors for now

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cuz the game will most probably change how interiors work

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so its better to not do them now

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words from benjee10 himself btw (which i agree)

lofty jacinth May 7, 2023, 7:13 PM

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here's a nice picture showing the full frost levels on Starship and Super Heavy

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 7:17 PM

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tiny blaze dont worry about interiors for now

alr, ill get them done if/when they change how interiors work

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 7:20 PM

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oh it odnest get to the cone xD still u can put some on the cone just to test

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 7:39 PM

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@tiny blaze yo i might have to make a whole new part category lol, the uh

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xl part size

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sorry no uh

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xxl

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idk

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 7:40 PM

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Theres already that in the game xD but why)

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?

verbal olive May 7, 2023, 7:46 PM

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There's up to like 5XL you'll be fine

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 7:49 PM

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Theres no tanks for it tho

verbal olive May 7, 2023, 7:51 PM

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ZE BALL

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 7:52 PM

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tiny blaze Theres already that in the game xD but why)

since uh

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starships pretty small and the interior needs to be at least somewhat big compared to a kerbal

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maybe like 6.5m

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 7:53 PM

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We could try, tho idk how the engines will look on it

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Make it 5m, i can resize it on unity later

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Or u can make jt 6.5m and i scale it down

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 8:11 PM

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i might make a heatshield for the 5m tanks

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like a horizontal one

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for starshop

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ship

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 8:12 PM

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Hmm makes sense

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Wait the round one?

lofty jacinth May 7, 2023, 8:12 PM

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that would be pretty cool

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I'm assuming horizontal means like covering half of the tank in tiles

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 8:18 PM

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mhm

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 8:20 PM

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tiny blaze Wait the round one?

wdym?

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 8:32 PM

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these

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 8:50 PM

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oh nono like

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the uh

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 8:51 PM

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the belly?

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 8:51 PM

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a heatshield you put on the side of your tank'

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 8:51 PM

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tiny blaze the belly?

yea

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you know the texture size for the ksp parts?

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 8:51 PM

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were u thinking of making it a separate part?

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 8:51 PM

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yeah

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✨ modularity ✨

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 8:52 PM

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hmm i dont think you need to

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with #1094320887228006450 i'll add the option to cycle between parts

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as variants

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 8:52 PM

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ohh sick

lofty jacinth May 7, 2023, 8:52 PM

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I like the idea a lot, with this you could put heatshields on any rockets, not just specifically Starship

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 8:53 PM

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well the way i see it

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i mean i like the idea of ading them to the tanks

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but the nosecone, since its so unique, should have it integrated into the main part

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via variant

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it has no other use other than for the nosecone

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cuz the game's nosecone's dont follow the same shape

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 8:57 PM

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yeah good point

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the these parts can have the part be separate though

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part being uh

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heatshield

verbal olive May 7, 2023, 9:00 PM

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Question: are those supposed to be windows or Reinforcements

rotund gyro May 7, 2023, 9:01 PM

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those are windows

verbal olive May 7, 2023, 9:02 PM

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Alright

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 10:20 PM

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Angle snap is done

tiny blaze May 7, 2023, 11:26 PM

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Centering done

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OABSize config done

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PartSize config done

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next update its pretty much done already

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i want to do a prettier UI to it tho it looks awfull as of now

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@opaque citrus 😉

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obviously you'll be able to select the step amount for each thing

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idk if i should add an animation to the parts when they are moved

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me personally i wouldn't like it

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because if im using precision things most likely i want to do things fast

rotund gyro May 8, 2023, 12:36 AM

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@tiny blaze so i updated the model a bit

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what i plan the heatshield to look like

tiny blaze May 8, 2023, 12:38 AM

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ohh i like it

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the top of the nosecone makes it very kerbalesque

rotund gyro May 8, 2023, 12:39 AM

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thanks! noticed there was a verry severe lack of detail so i added some

tiny blaze May 8, 2023, 12:53 AM

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Example of a Size config file, ID must be unique

{
  "ID": 100,
  "Diameter": 2.5,
  "AbbreviatedName": "Mk2",
  "FullName": "MARK2",
  "SortingOrder": 31,
  "TagColor": {
    "r": 54,
    "g": 39,
    "b": 245,
    "a": 255
  }
}

rotund gyro May 8, 2023, 1:04 AM

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im gonna be honest lux im literally jumping into this with ZERO idea how to create ksp mod configs lmfao

tiny blaze May 8, 2023, 1:08 AM

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Example of Partsconfigs needs to be in modid/LOABE/

{
  "mod": "SORRY",
  "LOABEPartData": [
    {
      "LOABESizeID": "XS+",
      "partNames": [
        "Milrin-07"
      ]
    },
    {
      "LOABESizeID": "SM",
      "partNames": [
        "Reiptor-12"
      ]
    },
    {
      "LOABESizeID": "SM+",
      "partNames": [
        "BE-4",
        "GridfinHexS"
      ]
    },
    {
      "LOABESizeID": "MD+",
      "partNames": [
        "GridfinHexM"
      ]
    }
  ]
}```

tiny blaze May 8, 2023, 1:08 AM

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rotund gyro im gonna be honest lux im literally jumping into this with ZERO idea how to crea...

oh dw i'll do those for you xD

rotund gyro May 8, 2023, 1:09 AM

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alr thank you lmao

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sorry btw

tiny blaze May 8, 2023, 1:14 AM

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oh dw its ok! u're helping me im just giving back :D

tiny blaze May 8, 2023, 1:16 AM

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tiny blaze Example of Partsconfigs **needs to be in modid/LOABE/** ```json { "mod": "SORR...

about this, @lofty jacinth , is this ok? So plumes already stay under ModID/LFO/ (tbf idek if i should keep this convention), is it ok to make that also for LOABE?

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maybe change to ModID/LOABE.cfg? since its only 1 per mod?

lofty jacinth May 8, 2023, 1:17 AM

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yeah, that might make more sense

tiny blaze May 8, 2023, 1:17 AM

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tho the plumes idk

lofty jacinth May 8, 2023, 1:17 AM

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and I would honestly keep the extension .json, to make the format clear

tiny blaze May 8, 2023, 1:17 AM

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since its 1 per engine

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Hmm i thought that since its a configuration file

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it'd be more intuitive to have it as cfg. but tbh its indifferent

lofty jacinth May 8, 2023, 1:17 AM

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I mean my concern is that people might think it's the same format as KSP 1 .cfg files

tiny blaze May 8, 2023, 1:18 AM

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hmm yeah... idk im not oposed to changing it to json, i'll see

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thx!

opaque citrus May 8, 2023, 7:00 AM

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tiny blaze <@378898832559439876> 😉

nice!

tiny blaze May 8, 2023, 3:58 PM

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trying to match the game's style a bit more on my parts

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seems to be going ok

rotund gyro May 8, 2023, 6:07 PM

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what you using for the paint? looks great!

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like uh

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what smart material

tiny blaze May 8, 2023, 6:59 PM

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Its not smart lmao

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Well

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Let me get home first

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But its mostly me abalising the stocks textures and tryng to imitate it

tiny blaze May 8, 2023, 8:11 PM

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@rotund gyro its mostly steel rough as a base

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at different roughnesses

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outer shell its usually at 0.2 roughness

median canopy May 8, 2023, 11:04 PM

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How hard would it be to add frost effects?

tiny blaze May 8, 2023, 11:06 PM

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you mean for your parts

lofty jacinth May 8, 2023, 11:06 PM

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#🔴mod-dev message

tiny blaze May 8, 2023, 11:06 PM

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or the effect to the game?

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to the game is pratically already added, since its just a sahder it will work 99% of the time

tiny blaze May 9, 2023, 2:23 PM

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lol so i logged into trello

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i'll use it as a roadmap since i didnt find any better alternative

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and found this from an old project of mine lmao

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also.........

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i do remember this

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was suposed to be a rogue-like like isaac with more dynamic rooms (instead of squares joined by doors)

tiny blaze May 9, 2023, 2:47 PM

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@lofty jacinth since it was u who first asked for them to be disabled, should the spark toggle be inside the game's ui or in the BepInEx Configuration window?

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i feel like BepInEx is too hidden from normal players

lofty jacinth May 9, 2023, 2:49 PM

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Spark toggle?

tiny blaze May 9, 2023, 2:49 PM

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the sparks when you place apart

lofty jacinth May 9, 2023, 2:50 PM

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Ohh got it

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Well, to be fair, we have been thinking of making a custom configuration UI for the BIE Config API to replace Configuration Manager

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Something that would be integrated with the game's built-in Settings page

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Ideally

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But I guess for now you can keep it in your mod UI?

tiny blaze May 9, 2023, 3:18 PM

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yeah, will do!

tiny blaze May 9, 2023, 6:21 PM

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working on this, as soon as this is done i'll release the new version

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aka no limits

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keep in mind that the UI will change a fuckton once i get into UITK

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its just too much nonsense to work with the unity's default UI

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this will not be as easy as i though lmao

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im gonna leave this off the next update just cuz its not really a priority as of now

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priority rn is TUX to help other modders and #1094320887228006450 for the same reason

tiny blaze May 9, 2023, 6:41 PM

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tiny blaze this will not be as easy as i though lmao

to add to this, the game uses collider bounds to limit the camera and the parts, i tried messing with those bounds and the game went to shite...

rotund gyro May 10, 2023, 11:05 AM

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tiny blaze to add to this, the game uses collider bounds to limit the camera and the parts,...

yo lux im gonna work on the starship texturing today (finally lmao)

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 1:30 PM

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rotund gyro yo lux im gonna work on the starship texturing today (finally lmao)

🙏

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 1:55 PM

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@lofty jacinth 6 ways MK2 rcs module?

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it has this in every side

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also on the bottom side

lofty jacinth May 10, 2023, 1:56 PM

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Nice!

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 1:56 PM

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should i maybe add the sideways thrusters on that flat part?

lofty jacinth May 10, 2023, 1:57 PM

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Hm, not sure

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Since you might want to have wings mounted there

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This way they won't cover the RCS ports

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 1:58 PM

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exactly it would look goofy

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ok! onto the VTOl engines now

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 2:45 PM

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ok so for VTOL

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im making a Methalox VTOL (maybe i'll make it a 2 modes engine with only Methane)

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i need some opinions

lofty jacinth May 10, 2023, 2:46 PM

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yeah bi-modal sounds like the best option

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 2:46 PM

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about animating them

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so option 1, they fold inwards, into some doors that will open
Option 2, theres an aerodynamic cover, that covers most of the nozzle that retracts once the engines are activated
Option 3, The engines fold backwards (giving the possitibilty of these engines being used for forward thrust too), also with doos that will open to house them

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my idea is that these engines will have 3 modes
Off
Kill Horizontal (will automatically gimbal to kill horizontal velocty)
Normal (they will obey the player's commands)

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since they are Methalox i feel like it makes sense for them to be sticking outside the MK2 format (since metalox usually need a somwhat long nozzle)

verbal olive May 10, 2023, 2:55 PM

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kill horizontal is gonna be WIDELYYY popular

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 2:56 PM

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i never played much with VTOLS in KSP1 because it was always soooo anooying to kill horizontal velocity while in VTOL mode

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what problem u having? i can help :D

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you need this #🔴tools-and-resources message

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it helps a lot its very much recommended!

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 3:25 PM

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tiny blaze so option 1, they fold inwards, into some doors that will open Option 2, theres ...

btw @lofty jacinth @proper nebula you two recommended the VTOL part

lofty jacinth May 10, 2023, 3:26 PM

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oh definitely not me, I'm pretty sure I was just part of the RCS block discussion

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 3:26 PM

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i could add a flame divert to the engine so that when its backwards on option 3, you can still fire it and it will give the plumes like this

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oh lmao mb then

lofty jacinth May 10, 2023, 3:26 PM

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I don't really have an opinion on this, I don't use VTOL at all

proper nebula May 10, 2023, 3:26 PM

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my VTOL suggestion was a fan in the center

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 3:27 PM

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Oh yeah lmao dead

proper nebula May 10, 2023, 3:27 PM

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tho one big rocket would also work XD

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 3:27 PM

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i will also add atmospheric vtols tho

proper nebula May 10, 2023, 3:28 PM

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you should also come up with a shape for MK4 and capitalise on it.

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 3:29 PM

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yup i will! will be something like OPT https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/87956-130-opt-space-plane-v201-updated-29072017/

Kerbal Space Program Forums

[1.3.0] OPT Space Plane v2.0.1 - updated 29/07/2017

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proper nebula May 10, 2023, 3:29 PM

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I like the K shape

lofty jacinth May 10, 2023, 3:30 PM

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tbh I prefer the KSP 1 Mk4 parts

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https://imgur.com/a/bxLmn

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 3:30 PM

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K seems like a cargo, which would be very good for inter colony transfer of resources

proper nebula May 10, 2023, 3:30 PM

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lofty jacinth tbh I prefer the KSP 1 Mk4 parts

thats just a mod

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 3:30 PM

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download SpaceWarp

lofty jacinth May 10, 2023, 3:30 PM

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proper nebula thats just a mod

obviously

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I'm just saying I like the Mk4 mod better than OPT

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 3:31 PM

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it does look very stock-a-like

proper nebula May 10, 2023, 3:31 PM

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a mix of both would look cool

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 3:31 PM

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im still thinking on how the new format will be

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yeah

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tbf i want to do something like OPT and have 3/4 formats for different sizes

proper nebula May 10, 2023, 3:31 PM

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like a big part but in the shape of K

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 3:32 PM

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each being able to have 2.5, (the itermediate between) and 3.5m inside their cargo

verbal olive May 10, 2023, 3:39 PM

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verbal olive kill horizontal is gonna be WIDELYYY popular

not just with vtol's too

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 3:39 PM

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any lander

rotund gyro May 10, 2023, 4:13 PM

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yo we making an OPT2 mod?

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 4:22 PM

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well not OPT2 it will be its own mod

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but will have the same speciality as it

floral glacier May 10, 2023, 4:22 PM

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I want bigger tanks. Feel like I might have to start modding or learn how too.

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 4:22 PM

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bigger as in bigger than 5m?

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or taller?

floral glacier May 10, 2023, 4:23 PM

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@tiny blaze Any ideas why I got Sorry a new version of Sorry through CKAN yet I cant see it anywhere else?

Bigger than 5m. I like them girthy...

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 4:23 PM

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floral glacier <@135118540377161728> Any ideas why I got Sorry a new version of Sorry through C...

what version?

floral glacier May 10, 2023, 4:26 PM

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0.3.1?

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Changelog was something about a Close button and LOABE compatability if I remember correctly?

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 4:35 PM

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floral glacier Changelog was something about a Close button and LOABE compatability if I rememb...

yeah, thats the latest

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oh lmao forgot to add it to Github srry

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but its on SpaceDock!

floral glacier May 10, 2023, 4:36 PM

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Thought I was special for a minute hahaha

rotund gyro May 10, 2023, 4:43 PM

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floral glacier I want bigger tanks. Feel like I might have to start modding or learn how too.

i gotchu bbg

verbal olive May 10, 2023, 5:23 PM

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Did you watch the engine tutorial

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 5:25 PM

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sorry didnt see this

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ok so what do you have?

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do u have the addressables?

verbal olive May 10, 2023, 5:30 PM

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floral glacier I want bigger tanks. Feel like I might have to start modding or learn how too.

7.5 and 9 meter tanks?

floral glacier May 10, 2023, 5:54 PM

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That'd be nice. Make some nice SRB's for some 9m tanks 😉

verbal olive May 10, 2023, 5:56 PM

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I am not doing anything with engines until we get the vfx thing

rotund gyro May 10, 2023, 6:11 PM

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verbal olive 7.5 and 9 meter tanks?

you know.. i could do that

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if @tiny blaze is fine with it

verbal olive May 10, 2023, 6:12 PM

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I mean if y'all want an accurate 1:1 SpaceX and Starship thing, nobody's stopping you lol

rotund gyro May 10, 2023, 6:13 PM

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oh yeah the starship is gonna be modular so the uh

verbal olive May 10, 2023, 6:13 PM

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modular fuel tanks by chance?

rotund gyro May 10, 2023, 6:13 PM

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the bottom compartment doubles as a base part

rotund gyro May 10, 2023, 6:13 PM

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verbal olive modular fuel tanks by chance?

uhh

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wdym

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procedural tanks?

verbal olive May 10, 2023, 6:13 PM

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yeah

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 6:14 PM

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rotund gyro if <@135118540377161728> is fine with it

yeah lmao dw

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tho

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it doesnt fit SORRY

rotund gyro May 10, 2023, 6:14 PM

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itd probably have to be another mos

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mod

verbal olive May 10, 2023, 6:14 PM

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isn't SORRY spacex-esque?

rotund gyro May 10, 2023, 6:14 PM

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just reusability

verbal olive May 10, 2023, 6:15 PM

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ah

verbal olive May 10, 2023, 6:15 PM

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rotund gyro itd probably have to be another mos

funny thing I actually started modeling this when you initially gave the idea

rotund gyro May 10, 2023, 6:15 PM

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oh damn lmao

verbal olive May 10, 2023, 6:15 PM

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eh I could stop

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if you want ofc

rotund gyro May 10, 2023, 7:19 PM

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verbal olive if you want ofc

nonononononono

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dude if anyone asks you to stop making a mod keep making it (if you wanna)

verbal olive May 10, 2023, 7:21 PM

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no I meant if you wanted to make 7.5m and 9m tanks I'd do something else, but alright

rotund gyro May 10, 2023, 10:14 PM

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nah dw

rotund gyro May 10, 2023, 11:17 PM

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@tiny blaze you can use one material on multiple parts right?

tiny blaze May 10, 2023, 11:18 PM

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yeah

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if it is what im thinking ur asking

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so like you have a ocuple of meshes and all of them use the same material

rotund gyro May 10, 2023, 11:18 PM

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no like different parts

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like ksp parts

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oh yeah airlock updated

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kerbal space program

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sticks armory update

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(real)

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guilt

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what is bro waffling about

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FUCK

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SUBSTANCE PAINTER CRASHED

rotund gyro May 10, 2023, 11:55 PM

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it crashed and now its not opening back up 😍

tiny blaze May 11, 2023, 3:50 PM

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Got be-4 finally looking BE-4ish

tiny blaze May 12, 2023, 11:21 PM

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🤔

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no paint

ripe crow May 13, 2023, 1:20 AM

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How about fairings like neutrons?

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Idk what they are called tho

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https://tenor.com/view/screaming-monster-scary-demogorgon-netflix-gif-14538947

Tenor

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Like the demogorgon

tiny blaze May 13, 2023, 1:20 AM

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yeah sure

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but only for bigger sizes

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like 3.75m+

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it can look pretty cool once open

rotund gyro May 13, 2023, 2:37 AM

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@tiny blaze how do you do the painting maps?

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also uh

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benjees substance presets dont work for me

tiny blaze May 13, 2023, 2:37 AM

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Hmm

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Paint red wherever the accent should be

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Green where the base should be

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Blue everywhere

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And alpha is how smooth the painting is

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Paint the channel*

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In the end. Just mash them into 1 texture

rotund gyro May 13, 2023, 3:01 AM

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tiny blaze In the end. Just mash them into 1 texture

ty, im just gonna use "ior" whatever the fuck that is as the color map lmao

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oh thats uh

rotund gyro May 13, 2023, 3:26 AM

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rotund gyro May 13, 2023, 4:28 AM

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I AM COOKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ripe crow May 13, 2023, 3:44 PM

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Let him cook

verbal olive May 13, 2023, 4:56 PM

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Ikr

median canopy May 13, 2023, 5:25 PM

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ripe crow How about fairings like neutrons?

100%

median canopy May 13, 2023, 5:26 PM

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rotund gyro I AM COOKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is incredible

tiny blaze May 13, 2023, 7:18 PM

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wouldnt advise talking about that here tho :D

verbal olive May 13, 2023, 7:21 PM

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Ofc ofc

keen prawn May 13, 2023, 8:51 PM

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TOS.

verbal olive May 13, 2023, 8:57 PM

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Mb

rotund gyro May 16, 2023, 2:19 AM

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i am cooking ..

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it looks like shit but i am cooking

tiny blaze May 16, 2023, 2:21 AM

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make the cables blend more w the metal

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and desaturate the yellow handles

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and i think it will look better

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other than that looks pretty good!

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did u draw the details or are them generated?

rotund gyro May 16, 2023, 2:22 AM

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holy fucking shit youre right

rotund gyro May 16, 2023, 2:22 AM

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tiny blaze did u draw the details or are them generated?

i drew the details 😭

tiny blaze May 16, 2023, 2:23 AM

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make the cables darker

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the handles are good now!

rotund gyro May 16, 2023, 2:24 AM

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there we go

ripe crow May 16, 2023, 3:15 AM

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Interesting code...

rotund gyro May 16, 2023, 10:33 AM

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space home invaderd

verbal olive May 16, 2023, 10:46 AM

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Smh

lofty jacinth May 16, 2023, 4:02 PM

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@tiny blaze to continue from this discussion: #🟢space message
just in case any of this info is useful to you, these are some stats from the SEP mod I was talking about, the parts being 5.625 m diameter and the numbers I include for ship and booster are all with no payload, with 3 RC and 3 RVac engines for ship and 20 RB and 13 RC engines for booster, using liquid fuel (it would be slightly different when switched to the methane variants) and assuming all engines are running

Raptor Center
Mass: 1.5 t
SL ISP: 309
SL Thrust: 544 kN
Vac ISP: 318
Vac thrust: 560 kN

Raptor Boost
Mass: 1.5 t
SL ISP: 309
SL Thrust: 563 kN
Vac ISP: 318
Vac thrust: 580 kN

Raptor Vacuum
Mass: 2 t
SL ISP: 125
SL Thrust: 196 kN
Vac ISP: 357
Vac thrust: 560 kN

Starship
Dry mass: 38 t
Wet mass: 188.5 t
SL Thrust: 2300 kN
SL TWR: 1.24
Vac Thrust: 3480 kN
Vac TWR: 1.88
ΔV (vac): 5277 m/s
Burn time: 143 s

Super Heavy
Dry mass: 113.5 t
Wet mass: 817.5 t
SL Thrust: 18598 kN
SL TWR: 2.32
SL TWR with ship: 1.88
Vac Thrust: 19140 kN
Vac TWR: 2.38
Vac TWR with ship: 1.94
ΔV (vac): 6155 m/s
ΔV with ship (vac): 3752 m/s
Burn time: 115 s

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with this I can lift 100 t of cargo into a 150x150 km orbit in a 2.7x rescale universe with enough fuel for booster downrange landing (not enough for a boostback) and a ship landing

tiny blaze May 16, 2023, 4:05 PM

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damn 100t? isnt Starship for like 50tons per payload

lofty jacinth May 16, 2023, 4:05 PM

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well the real life Starship is supposed to lift 150 t in fully reusable mode (with boostback) and 250 t with expendable upper stage

tiny blaze May 16, 2023, 4:06 PM

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oh damn ok wtf thought it was way less

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since the F9 has only like what? 20tons of payload cap

lofty jacinth May 16, 2023, 4:06 PM

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but yeah even then SEP is kinda overtuned, since it shouldn't be able to get a whole 100 t into orbit with full reuse

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and I can't even imagine how much it could do in a stock sized universe lmao

tiny blaze May 16, 2023, 4:07 PM

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150*0.625 ig?

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93,75 tons ig

lofty jacinth May 16, 2023, 4:08 PM

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I mean that is for single-dimension lengths, wouldn't the energy required to lift certain mass be a square?

tiny blaze May 16, 2023, 4:09 PM

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well maybe let me check what values i put on my engines, cuz i think there was lika 1:0.6 ratio from RealLife engines and the KSP version thrust

lofty jacinth May 16, 2023, 4:11 PM

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to be fair I haven't really thought about it too hard or done any of the actual math, but just from E = mv^2 I would assume that with higher orbital velocity, the energy would have quadratic growth

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and with that the max payload mass would decrease accordingly

verbal olive May 16, 2023, 4:55 PM

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wow starship is l i g h t

lofty jacinth May 16, 2023, 5:03 PM

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I mean the real Starship is around 100 t

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and if you take 0.625^2 * 100 t, you get 39 t

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and the SEP Starship is 38 t, so close enough

verbal olive May 16, 2023, 5:15 PM

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I meant irl starship lol

lofty jacinth May 16, 2023, 5:17 PM

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I mean the whole SLS core which is much larger than Starship upper stage is 85 t

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Starship is pretty heavy as far as rockets go because it's made of steel

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and for example the full three cores, upper stage and fairings of Falcon Heavy combined weigh like 72 t

ripe crow May 16, 2023, 5:55 PM

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Thats dry

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Gotta remember rockets spend most of their time empty

lofty jacinth May 16, 2023, 6:00 PM

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wat?

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I mean you can't really compare wet masses of rockets using different fuels

tiny blaze May 17, 2023, 2:03 PM

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Its really not easy to keep a low footprint on the save file and at the same time have things working damn

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mostly because the game's code is unpredictable

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                  "DataObject": {
                    "$type": "Patchouli.PartsManager.Modules.Data_Variant, com.github.luxstice.patchouli.partmanager",
                    "subtypes": {
                      "ContextKey": "subtypes",
                      "storedValue": [
                        {
                          "subtypeName": "Tank",
                          "Selected": 4
                        }
                      ]
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this is the current footprint of the Variant module

lofty jacinth May 17, 2023, 2:05 PM

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looks good to me

tiny blaze May 17, 2023, 2:05 PM

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pretty much nothing compared to KSP2 codes

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it will be 1 pair for each subtype (so subtypeNAme and selected index per)

tiny blaze May 17, 2023, 6:59 PM

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I might add a Action on Patchouli.Core that you can subscribe to

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and in that action, it will give u the PartCore for that part just before it gets applied

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that way anyone who wants to edit parts just does
Action += Method:
and modified the part as they wish on Method

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obvioulsy calling Action on the right spot

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@lofty jacinth or should this be on SpaceWarp?

lofty jacinth May 17, 2023, 7:01 PM

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probably not, since it sounds like it'd only be useful if you have your mod installed?

tiny blaze May 17, 2023, 7:01 PM

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tbh this would be for any modder who wants to modify parts at runtime

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because any change you do will get overwritten either when you save/load the game or when you go to flight mode

lofty jacinth May 17, 2023, 7:03 PM

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btw that reminds me, today I've started working on a proof-of-concept very basic implementation of JsonManager

tiny blaze May 17, 2023, 7:03 PM

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oh great

lofty jacinth May 17, 2023, 7:03 PM

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we'll see how that goes lmao

tiny blaze May 17, 2023, 7:03 PM

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lmao, if u need help to know where to apply the jsons tell me

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i kinda already know this like it was my code, and thats not really a good thing 🙃

lofty jacinth May 17, 2023, 7:04 PM

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I think I know how this could work, but I'll definitely let you know if I need some help

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thanks!

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:04 AM

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modelToggling also here

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so for example now there can be the Straight and Offset variants that B9 has

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or compact-Collar-Boatail etc versions of engines

signal heath May 18, 2023, 12:50 AM

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yay I love the compact and collar versions

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and the single-nozzle poodle

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:54 AM

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yeah i also want to make a single nozzle poodle model for the game :)

rotund gyro May 18, 2023, 1:28 AM

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kaboom

rotund gyro May 18, 2023, 3:57 AM

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might be too much detail but it looks better

verbal olive May 18, 2023, 4:32 AM

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Now texture it kekw

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 10:14 AM

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if you're going for a stock-a-like version you should remove these
If youre going for a replica keep them tho

verbal olive May 18, 2023, 10:38 AM

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Those bars seem to just make the docking hole move through thing smaller

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 10:40 AM

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gotta remember that KSP2 is not a realistic version but a washed down cartoonish version

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the part is small

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each triangle has a chance to be rendered, the more you have in view the more lag it may cause

verbal olive May 18, 2023, 10:43 AM

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Well true but from what I see the current docking ports increase the size of the move through section and a bit more

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 10:51 AM

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tiny blaze if you're going for a stock-a-like version you should remove these If youre goin...

seems to be going for a similar aesthetic to HabTech: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/133501-112x-bg-habtech2-stockalike-iss-parts-100-the-final-update/

Kerbal Space Program Forums

[1.12.x] [BG] HabTech2 | Stockalike ISS Parts | 1.0.0 - The Final U...

HabTech2 | V1.0.0 | ISS Parts for KSP Featuring parts designed to replicate the US Orbital Section (USOS) of the International Space Station as of 2023, including: Pressurised modules & cupola Integrated Truss Structure & solar arrays, including iROSA External payloads & experiments O...

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 11:37 AM

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even that is a bit too realistic to be stock-a-like, i mean it has to be since its an ISS recreation

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MKS's airlocks is pretty much as sotck-a-like as u can get it https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/154587-112x-modular-kolonization-system-mks/

Kerbal Space Program Forums

[1.12.x] - Modular Kolonization System (MKS)

Introduction Interplanetary Colonization represents one of the largest technological and logistical challenges on the horizon for manned spaceflight. USI's Modular Kolonization System (MKS) provides a huge array of new gameplay systems and supporting parts to support the experience of designing, ...

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 11:55 AM

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tiny blaze MKS's airlocks is pretty much as sotck-a-like as u can get it https://forum.kerb...

I mean yeah, it looks much closer to the original KSP 1 stock parts, but since then ReStock has become the de-facto standard and I'd say it looks 1000% better

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don't really like the look of MKS parts, but I guess that's very subjective

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it's just that we've moved miles past the original KSP 1 art style in the past 12 years and it would be a shame not to take advantage of the much better graphical capabilities we have today

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I think adding more details doesn't necessarily subtract from still utilizing the KSP art style

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 11:59 AM

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Current ksp style is still a lot more like MkS than HabTech2

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The difference between ksp2 and 1 is the better use of textures

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Because the models are pretty much the same with only a few added details

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I mean im not against more detail (via meshes)

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But imo stockalike should have the same amount of detail, and applied in the same way, as the game’s stock parts

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Also a lot of geometry and different meshes ends up requiring a lot of colliders since they have to be convex

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:02 PM

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just use a single cylinder or cuboid munley

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:03 PM

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Well the problem is when u have concave geometry that u want to be unteracted

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Or details that should be interactable (which is not common)

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But yeah i mean to me the perfect stock-a-like qas fuel tanks plus

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From necrobones iirc

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It was an HD version of the stock style

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:04 PM

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everythingfine

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I guess this is very subjective indeed lmao

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I find them extremely ugly lmao

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it's so 2015 KSP

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:07 PM

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i mean yeah you aim more for realism ig

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like, realism but with ksp2 palette

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which is pretty much Benjee's and that planetary base mod's style

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:08 PM

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tiny blaze which is pretty much Benjee's and that planetary base mod's style

yeah basically that, I feel like it's the best HD-looking art style that KSP has

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still very far from realistic-looking, but also much better than stock KSP

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and tbh I feel like it's kinda become like the standard for new-ish KSP 1 mods

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:09 PM

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I mean I like the identity that KSP brings to their parts, they look unique, i feel like a game has to have an identity, if it mirrors reality its just boring

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:09 PM

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lofty jacinth and tbh I feel like it's kinda become like the standard for new-ish KSP 1 mods

it has indeed, but mostly beucase those take time to make and to master

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:12 PM

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tbh Tundra feels like the perfect middle ground to me

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:12 PM

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Carnasa's exposure really did numbers

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texture wise yeah

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but its pretty much a copy of the real counterparts model wise

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:12 PM

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it looks very clear and sharp, while still extremely simplified compared to real life

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:13 PM

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but yeah i'd say its a good way to do parts

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if you dont like stock-a-like but also dont want realism thats a good middle ground

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like ie, for ksp1 this is extra details

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again, for ksp1 standards

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ksp2 does have at least a couple of those details on its style

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:15 PM

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well to be fair I haven't seen the actual stock KSP parts in years

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only ReStock

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lmao

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:16 PM

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ReStock its pretty good tbh

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:16 PM

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I don't know anyone who plays KSP without it

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:16 PM

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actually that might be the best hd stock parts

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lmao yeah, tbf theres a lot of people who play stock with only mech jeb and things like that

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like notice the lack of extra meshes/Geometry

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the details you see its pretty much all normal maps

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only the door/airlock and the stars are extra geometry

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and the darker part on the wheels

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tho i admit that even the parts that i make are not that Stock-a-like (besides the MK2 RCS Block... im so proud of that lmao)

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and the RCS Block too

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:32 PM

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I guess it just depends on how one imagines stockalike, for example the Benjee shuttle to me looks pretty stockalike and stylized while the other one is just straight up realism

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more details from the 2nd mod

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:35 PM

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the texturing on that is pretty much stock yeah

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model too

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tho, textures are maybe a bit too detailed but that KSP's fault, since its an old game it had to use lower quality textures

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:36 PM

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yeah, KSP doesn't really have details like the white thermal protection tiles around the windows etc

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:41 PM

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might change lincensing for my mods to CC BY-NC-SA 4.0
Basically, allows for derivates if the licensing is the same os similar
Non comercial
Must give credit and indicate changes

mostly cuz my mods/code are not to be used comercially and i want derivatives to also not be used commercially, to avoid any smartass copying my code and creating a paid version of it

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https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/

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from what i know, MIT and GNU allows for derivatives to be used commercially

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this should also allow for, if a mod is abandoned, people to make remakes of it w/o asking (even tho i'd like them to ask but i might be MIA and not be able to answer)

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:47 PM

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I don't think it's a good idea, since even CC advises against it

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https://creativecommons.org/faq/#can-i-apply-a-creative-commons-license-to-software

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:47 PM

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tiny blaze this should also allow for, if a mod is abandoned, people to make remakes of it ...

same goes for any other free non-CC license

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:48 PM

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lofty jacinth same goes for any other free non-CC license

tho others usually allow for commercial use no?

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im talking MIT and GNU

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:49 PM

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well yeah, that's the difference between open-source and proprietary licenses

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open source doesn't prohibit any kind of use

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:50 PM

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heh i'll keep it as GNU for now then, i'll take a deeper look into lincensing later

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didnt evne see that in the CC license tbh

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:53 PM

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you probably want GNU GPLv3:

The (GNU) GPL (General Public License) is a copyleft free software license published by the Free Software Foundation. Users of a GPL-licensed program are granted the freedom to use it, read the source code, modify it and redistribute the changes they made, provided they redistribute the program (modified or unmodified) under the same license.
or the more permissive LGPL:
LGPL (GNU Lesser General Public License) is a free software license published by the Free Software Foundation. The LGPL provides a more permissive alternative for the strictly copyleft GPL. While any derivative work using a GPL-licensed program must be released under the same terms (free to use, share, study, and modify), the LGPL only requires the LGPL-licensed component of the derivative program to continue using the LGPL, not the whole program. LGPL is usually used to license shared components such as libraries (.dll, .so, .jar, etc.).

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:54 PM

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yeah its what i've been using till now, but it does allow for commercial use (tho i dont think that anyone will use my code for commercial its just a "in case")

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:56 PM

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well it is for commercial use in the sense that any business can take the code and use it, or modify it, but it has to stay free and with the source code available

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:56 PM

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oh ok so any derivative has to stay free?

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:56 PM

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and it has to keep the GPL license

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yes, it's very clear in that any derivative also has to be GPL licensed

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that's why I don't like it tbh

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:57 PM

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Tho GPL does not say it has to be free does it? only that i has to be open-source

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:57 PM

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I mean yeah, but that does kinda imply that, since anyone needs to be able to download the source code and build it themselves

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:58 PM

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i see, LPGL seems to be the better version then since it allows for other licenses

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:58 PM

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pretty much this

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:59 PM

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i see

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 12:59 PM

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tiny blaze i see, LPGL seems to be the better version then since it allows for other licens...

yeah, GPL makes it so that everyone who ever uses your library also has to make their whole software GPL

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LGPL is much better for our use case I imagine

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 12:59 PM

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so basically only direct income, so like if i made a game under GPL, but any derivative of that game would not owe me a share of their profit

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 1:00 PM

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well you can sell the game, but its source code has to be available and anyone can download it for free, which means anyone can also distribute the game for free

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which means that you most likely wouldn't make any money

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 1:02 PM

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oh ok thats almost perfect, the only flaw is that it doesn't legally disallow for the smartasses that copy and sell the "game"

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 1:02 PM

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but they have to keep the source code available as well, so the chance that someone would actually buy anything from them is very slim

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 1:02 PM

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but anyone with a few google searches would be able to find the source

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 1:02 PM

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yeah

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 1:02 PM

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exactly

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ok fair enough i'll use that then, LGPL for libraries and GPL for actual mods

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 1:03 PM

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also I don't think I've ever seen anyone try to sell a KSP mod in the 12 years that the game has existed 😆

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if you don't count something like early access on Patreon

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 1:03 PM

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there's been a lot of indie games focusing on space exploration

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and i've seen some KSP similar code on some of them :S

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 1:04 PM

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well then that's up to PD to file a lawsuit since the KSP code is definitely copyrighted

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 1:04 PM

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by ksp i meant ksp mods xD

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im sure that any actual KSP code has already been sued lmao

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 1:05 PM

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that's pretty interesting

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 1:08 PM

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tbf KSP modders are pretty smart so it doesnt surprise me

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remote tech's code ie, its so professional and well made

ripe crow May 18, 2023, 3:02 PM

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lofty jacinth I guess it just depends on how one imagines stockalike, for example the Benjee s...

Restockalike is my preferred ksp style

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Stock is too bland and cartoony for me

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 3:39 PM

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it kinda works

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you can drag it but nothing happens

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 3:41 PM

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does the slider go down as the fuel depletes?

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 3:43 PM

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yup, i just have to fix the ratios

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either i make it as a percentage, or i format the units to be only 2 decimal places

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 3:49 PM

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cool!

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by the way, to disable the dragging, you can get the slider's game object, and set interactable on the SliderExtended component to false

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tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 4:05 PM

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ohhh cool cool thx :D

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gotta find a way to get the right UI element tho

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but thats probably easy

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 4:06 PM

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yeah just look it up on a couple of different parts in the UE inspector and figure out the common parents etc

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 4:06 PM

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tottally forgot it could also inspect UI tbh

lofty jacinth May 18, 2023, 4:07 PM

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that's pretty much the only thing I use it for 😆

rotund gyro May 18, 2023, 4:17 PM

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yo @tiny blaze what if we made an orion drive mod for ksp 2 lmao

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ik itll be obsolete when the uh

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update comes around

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but itd be really funny

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 4:20 PM

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certainly not for sorry

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i wont do it tho ashusausha but i can help u make it if u want

rotund gyro May 18, 2023, 4:22 PM

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alr, i have like

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zero coding knowledhe

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knowledge

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BUT i know how to animate stuff so like

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yea

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 4:23 PM

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make the model and i'll see what i can do dw

rotund gyro May 18, 2023, 4:35 PM

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tiny blaze make the model and i'll see what i can do dw

aight

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 6:15 PM

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Cooking some collars

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1.875m

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with a curved variant

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and obviously the compact version as well 😉

rotund gyro May 18, 2023, 6:16 PM

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woah

rotund gyro May 18, 2023, 6:17 PM

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tiny blaze Cooking some collars

yo how do you get the uh

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the ksp 2 substance export template thing

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 6:22 PM

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File>Import Resources

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select that file

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Then New>Set template to KSP2 Standard Damaged

ripe crow May 18, 2023, 6:27 PM

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Merlin?

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 6:33 PM

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Its the Raptor vac :D

verbal olive May 18, 2023, 6:35 PM

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tiny blaze Then New>Set template to KSP2 Standard Damaged

do WHAT

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how is that not something I've ever seen...

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 6:36 PM

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New project

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and then on the field

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Template

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set it to Kerbal Space Program 2 Standar Damaged

verbal olive May 18, 2023, 6:37 PM

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ah

rotund gyro May 18, 2023, 7:04 PM

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yo lux

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should we make an aeon 1 engine thing

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 7:46 PM

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1.875m shrouds

verbal olive May 18, 2023, 7:58 PM

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cooool

tiny blaze May 18, 2023, 9:09 PM

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rotund gyro should we make an aeon 1 engine thing

up to you tbh, i dont plan on making one tho

rotund gyro May 19, 2023, 9:26 PM

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@tiny blaze im gonna try to get the starship parts finished by this weekedn

tiny blaze May 19, 2023, 9:46 PM

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Okidoki no need to rush then tho 🤞

keen prawn May 19, 2023, 11:32 PM

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@tiny blaze might want to look into undeployed drag levels?
https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/217256-mohopeful/&do=findComment&comment=4285065

Kerbal Space Program Forums

Mohopeful

tiny blaze May 20, 2023, 4:14 PM

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Its all bcuz of the PAM and ksps system tbh, cuz theres an OnValueChanged that the deployed and undeplyed drag uses, but sometimes it doesnt get called……

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Tho on 0.3 the undeployed drag is disables#d

lofty jacinth May 20, 2023, 4:15 PM

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well to be fair, I do see large difference when the fins are deployed and when stowed

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but in either state they make the rocket basically uncontrollable

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I only really tested it like yesterday and noticed that

tiny blaze May 20, 2023, 4:15 PM

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Would immensly help for the deva to release the Drag Cube Generstor script

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Either way yeah ive been trying for quite some time to tweak them tbh, which version difu. Use

lofty jacinth May 20, 2023, 4:18 PM

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any idea how KSP 1 mods handle this?

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because for the most part for example the Kerbal Reusability Expansion fins work pretty reliably

rotund gyro May 22, 2023, 11:06 AM

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hey @tiny blaze if we make the starship a seperate mod we need to call it SEx (Starship Expansion) PLEASE

tiny blaze May 22, 2023, 11:06 AM

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Obviously why not

rotund gyro May 22, 2023, 11:07 AM

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thank god

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SEx is now being added to ksp 2

verbal olive May 22, 2023, 11:07 AM

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lmao

tiny blaze May 22, 2023, 12:38 PM

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tiny blaze Would immensly help for the deva to release the Drag Cube Generstor script

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-gauntlet-ill-do-it-myself-marvel-villain-gif-16087834

Tenor

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fine, i'll release it myself

rotund gyro May 22, 2023, 4:54 PM

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guh

tiny blaze May 23, 2023, 1:03 AM

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btw code for the Mesh Togglin its pretty simple tbh

        variantManager.AddSpecificSubtype(SubtypeBuilder.Create("Collar", "Reiptor-12Vac")
            .CreateMeshToggle(SubtypeBuilder.MeshToggleOption.Clear, 
            new SubtypeBuilder.MeshToggleOption("Inset (SM+)" , "Collar Inset"),
            new SubtypeBuilder.MeshToggleOption("Curved (SM+)", "Collar Curved"),
            new SubtypeBuilder.MeshToggleOption("Inset (SM)", "1.25m Collar Inset"),
            new SubtypeBuilder.MeshToggleOption("Curved (SM)", "1.25m Collar Curved"))

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Create(Label Name, TargetPartName)
.CreateMeshToggle(DefaultMeshToggleOption,
params MeshToggleOption[]

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new MeshToggleOption(DropDown Item Name, params string[] Meshes to toggle)

tiny blaze May 23, 2023, 11:44 AM

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Reiptor's skirt Amei

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also difference of w/ and w/o the skirts

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looks much more like a "finished" rocket with them :D

tiny blaze May 23, 2023, 1:36 PM

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i had the most annoying bug yet but managed to fix it, it seems like you can't really edit a Data_ outside the actuall class or the module lmao

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they are working fine now :D

lofty jacinth May 23, 2023, 1:38 PM

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I absolutely love how these all look

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I had 1 small piece of feedback for SORRY

tiny blaze May 23, 2023, 1:39 PM

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please do share!

lofty jacinth May 23, 2023, 1:40 PM

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so when you look up into the engine nozzles, you can see straight into the upper part of the assembly

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it's not like many people often look at turned off engines from the bottom, but it did bother me a little bit

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there should be like a black plate at the start of the nozzle on the inside or something

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for example this is the vector

tiny blaze May 23, 2023, 1:42 PM

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yeah i gotta close the nozzles, this also creates a problem when the engine is lit

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if you look from the bottom, the engine is all white besides that hole

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thx for reminding me tho i had forgot about that lmao

lofty jacinth May 23, 2023, 1:44 PM

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I mean technically it's correct that you can see through the nozzle into the combustion chamber and all the way to the injector, I guess, but in the game it looks a bit weird

tiny blaze May 23, 2023, 1:45 PM

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yeah i think that the game puts a plate at the furthest point, i gotta analyze the game's model a bit more to check what they do

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swivel ie

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but then engines with those side exhaust usually u can look inside the exhaust

lofty jacinth May 23, 2023, 1:47 PM

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basically you can either close it at the red or the blue line

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the blue being how you'd see it irl

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(I think)

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since that's where the injector would be I imagine

tiny blaze May 23, 2023, 1:47 PM

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im thinking of closing it at the blue line

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the thing is

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this is mostly a problem with the game's shader

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because on shader you can set for the backside of the meshes to be rendered

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so this wouldnt be a problem, but that can bring some other problems so i understand why they didnt

lofty jacinth May 23, 2023, 1:49 PM

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yeah seems like the stock engines close "at the red line"

verbal olive May 23, 2023, 3:37 PM

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tiny blaze yeah i think that the game puts a plate at the furthest point, i gotta analyze t...

Yeah there's some plate on some of the engine models, though it's not on all of them

rotund gyro May 23, 2023, 4:20 PM

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holy fuck the ksp 2 models are amateur

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and thats coming from a shit modeller myself lmao

tiny blaze May 23, 2023, 4:21 PM

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they are not amateur they are optimized

rotund gyro May 23, 2023, 4:21 PM

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i mean like

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the texturing is my main problem

tiny blaze May 23, 2023, 4:21 PM

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a balance between performance and visuals

rotund gyro May 23, 2023, 4:21 PM

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ik

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but the textures are auuughhhhhj

tiny blaze May 23, 2023, 4:21 PM

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thats to lower the game size, if we had 4k textures the game would be like 80gb

rotund gyro May 23, 2023, 4:22 PM

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nonononono i mean the textures themselves

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like goddamn the heatshield for the mk3 cockpit is LITERALLY A DEFAULT SUBSTANCE PAINTER MATERIAL!!!

tiny blaze May 23, 2023, 4:23 PM

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oh didnt know that lmao

rotund gyro May 23, 2023, 4:24 PM

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tbf it was kinda rushed on release bc take two is ass

tiny blaze May 23, 2023, 4:24 PM

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the top one?

tiny blaze May 23, 2023, 10:21 PM

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and Merlin Vac has a propper shroud too as well

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still need to texture it tho

rotund gyro May 23, 2023, 10:50 PM

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THIS GOES SO FUCKING HARD

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@tiny blaze !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I AM FINISHED WITH THE STARSHIP ITSELF (aside from the caps of the thingies but those will be done)

tiny blaze May 23, 2023, 10:51 PM

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oh i love the detailing

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u drew the normals yourself?

rotund gyro May 23, 2023, 10:54 PM

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yep 😭

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not the tiles though

tiny blaze May 23, 2023, 10:56 PM

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smart material?

rotund gyro May 23, 2023, 11:44 PM

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yeah

tiny blaze May 23, 2023, 11:47 PM

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u gotta share that material with me 🙏

rotund gyro May 24, 2023, 1:02 AM

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tiny blaze u gotta share that material with me 🙏

i gotchu bbg

📎 HeatShield_1.spsm

tiny blaze May 24, 2023, 1:02 AM

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AsukaFlush

ripe crow May 24, 2023, 3:16 AM

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rotund gyro THIS GOES SO FUCKING HARD

This reminds me of that chinese fully reusable long march 9 concept

lofty jacinth May 24, 2023, 2:43 PM

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by the way, just noticed this in the GitHub repo

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I guess it's just from a copied over file where you didn't change the field name and the error log, it's not a bug but I just thought I'd mention it

tiny blaze May 24, 2023, 2:55 PM

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It was lmao AsukaDead

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thx for pointing it

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tho i tshould never enter that thats mostly a "just in case"

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actually i dont even use that, i think thats OLD

lofty jacinth May 24, 2023, 2:56 PM

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huh

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it's the current version on GitHub

tiny blaze May 24, 2023, 2:57 PM

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no i meant when i added that it was a long ago

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and never touched it again lmao, almost no modules use PArtComponentModule's methods, those are for In flight only actions

lofty jacinth May 24, 2023, 2:57 PM

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oh lmao

rotund gyro May 24, 2023, 4:30 PM

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@tiny blaze i got packmaster, expect the texture quality to look SO MUCH FUCKING BETTER

tiny blaze May 27, 2023, 2:48 AM

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organized Sorry's bundles, fixed all drag cubes, VTOL is ready

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New version is pretty much done

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just need to make the plumes for the VTOL prettier and make a plume for Milrin Vaccum

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this allows unity to only build what has actually been changed

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as you can see ie in sorry_utility it hasn't been changed since yesterday so it wasnt created

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lowering the time it takes to build these addressables

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actually let me redo them

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even better now

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also makes it easier to open the bundles if anyone wants to take a peek into the parts

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this is BE-4 ie

rotund gyro May 27, 2023, 5:55 AM

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oh yeah @tiny blaze guess whos textures got deleted 😍

verbal olive May 27, 2023, 9:53 AM

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Ooof

verbal olive May 27, 2023, 9:53 AM

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tiny blaze just need to make the plumes for the VTOL prettier and make a plume for Milrin V...

Merlin engines? Pogggggg

tiny blaze May 27, 2023, 1:33 PM

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rotund gyro oh yeah <@135118540377161728> guess whos textures got deleted 😍

😭😭 im sorry

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If u want help retexturing i can

rotund gyro May 27, 2023, 8:27 PM

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tiny blaze 😭😭 im sorry

nah dw

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it was only 2 compartments that got killed

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ill retexture them in a bit

lofty jacinth May 28, 2023, 8:42 PM

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having a weird bug @tiny blaze

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when I use 6 engines with the procedural cover, it correctly displays 6 nodes

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but when I place the engine, it's always in 5-times symmetry

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in general, I always end up getting one less engine than there are nodes

tiny blaze May 28, 2023, 8:43 PM

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THATS

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LOABE

lofty jacinth May 28, 2023, 8:43 PM

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oh

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lmao

tiny blaze May 28, 2023, 8:43 PM

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i think i fixed it on the newest update

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wanna try?

lofty jacinth May 28, 2023, 8:44 PM

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sure

tiny blaze May 28, 2023, 8:44 PM

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mirror symmetry probably isnt working too lmao

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it was giving endless exceptions idk how no one reported that

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also i might remove the automatic adition of engines when u change the number

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bucz its quite buggy lmao

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idk if its the game not being ready for such things or what it is

lofty jacinth May 28, 2023, 9:04 PM

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with the new build it just doesn't add the engines in symmetry at all

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just always one

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tiny blaze May 28, 2023, 9:08 PM

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welp

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thats the procedural engine cover being badly coded :D

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could you try deleting that part and making a new one?

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i probably messed on the OAB's SaveLoad thing

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that for some reason is different from the Flight SaveLoad that for some reason is different from the Campaign SaveLoad thing

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dont you love KSP2 modding?

lofty jacinth May 28, 2023, 9:11 PM

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tiny blaze could you try deleting that part and making a new one?

sure thing 😄

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yeah, works fine now

tiny blaze May 28, 2023, 9:13 PM

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i'll fix that before the new version of SORRY

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tho the symmetry works fine?

lofty jacinth May 28, 2023, 9:13 PM

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yes

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it does when I replace the saved part

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by the way, just a suggestion - how about making these be probe cores?

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it would make sense because the grid fins are usually on the interstage

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and it would mean I wouldn't have to use the ugly stock one above it

tiny blaze May 28, 2023, 9:15 PM

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Tbf i was thinking of making a probecore that fit more snugly on the tanks

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maybe with very compact solar panels

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and comms

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but turning those into probe cores is a possibility too

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that reminds me that i have to test the hex grid fins to know if they're working well with the fixed drag cubes

lofty jacinth May 28, 2023, 9:22 PM

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I mean I don't know for sure it's the fins

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but the rocket is struggling really hard to keep pointing up during ascent

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it flipped over multiple times in lower atmosphere

tiny blaze May 28, 2023, 9:23 PM

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lmao it can very possibly be

lofty jacinth May 28, 2023, 9:23 PM

#

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at like 15 km+ it's kinda stable

tiny blaze May 28, 2023, 9:23 PM

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on Patchouli.QoL

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i have so if you press F11 it shows the Aero GUI

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the actual arrows of thrust, drag and lift

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and a new one, purple, for control surfaces

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i really should start getting these projects to the public

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let me pack a new version of SORRY for testers

lofty jacinth May 28, 2023, 9:25 PM

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I'm also getting spammed with this after using time warp

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and it keeps happening after going back to 1x speed

tiny blaze May 28, 2023, 9:26 PM

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thats funny

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thats new

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let me check on the KSP2 code what throws that

lofty jacinth May 28, 2023, 9:27 PM

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lmao

tiny blaze May 28, 2023, 9:28 PM

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teran is trying to be starship so bad 😭

lofty jacinth May 28, 2023, 9:29 PM

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haha that's a good one

tiny blaze May 28, 2023, 9:29 PM

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and its true lmao

lofty jacinth May 28, 2023, 9:29 PM

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it stabilized a little bit at around 2km altitude

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then it was only circling the up direction within like 15 degrees

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instead of doing full on flips

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lmao

tiny blaze May 28, 2023, 9:30 PM

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oh thats so much better

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you can see the difference between the old icons and the new ones

lofty jacinth May 28, 2023, 9:30 PM

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oh wow

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yeah that really makes a difference

tiny blaze May 28, 2023, 9:30 PM

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the old icons were taken from inside the game lmao

lofty jacinth May 28, 2023, 9:30 PM

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looks so good

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it just needs a bit of a thicker outline and it'll be perfect

tiny blaze May 28, 2023, 9:31 PM

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it actually has no outline, i would either need to do it on photoshop or add it dynamically

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basically im doing all of this in unity, with a render texture

lofty jacinth May 28, 2023, 9:32 PM

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oh cool

tiny blaze May 28, 2023, 9:46 PM

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fixed that error

rotund gyro May 28, 2023, 11:16 PM

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ALRIGHT SO @tiny blaze IM FINALLY GONNA STOP SITTING ON MY ASS AND GET YOU THOSE MODELS BY UHH

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son

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soon

tiny blaze May 28, 2023, 11:18 PM

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can i at least get the landing legs 😭

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i mostly need it to test how to implement landing legs in the game

rotund gyro May 29, 2023, 12:39 AM

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aight lmao

tiny blaze May 29, 2023, 12:44 AM

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lol

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@lofty jacinth i fix the Deploy button

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but i broke the Brake button

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for the gridfins

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........

lofty jacinth May 29, 2023, 12:45 AM

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munley

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you win some you lose some

tiny blaze May 29, 2023, 12:45 AM

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actually i think that now the brake is working right?

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basically it doesnt toggle

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but the Brake "light" never turns on

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let me show

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either i make it that whenever u press the brake button it toggles the current state of the gridfins

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or i leave it like this

lofty jacinth May 29, 2023, 12:55 AM

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and this action cannot be added in the action group manager?

tiny blaze May 29, 2023, 12:56 AM

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it already is there

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its just set as default to be in the Breaks

lofty jacinth May 29, 2023, 1:56 AM

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Just wanted to let you know that I'm also getting this now

tiny blaze May 29, 2023, 1:59 AM

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lofty jacinth Just wanted to let you know that I'm also getting this now

did ui install LOABE through ckan?

lofty jacinth May 29, 2023, 1:59 AM

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no it's the debug build you sent me

tiny blaze May 29, 2023, 1:59 AM

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ohh yeah makes sense

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you're just missing the custom size config files

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tho i should probably supress that exception

lofty jacinth May 29, 2023, 2:00 AM

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😆

tiny blaze May 29, 2023, 2:00 AM

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you can copy them from the normal game or i can send u if you want

lofty jacinth May 29, 2023, 2:00 AM

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yeah np, I can get it from my normal (non-debug) install

tiny blaze May 29, 2023, 2:01 AM

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xD LOABE is not yet on the newest template

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with the new template i can just put everything on the same folder 🙏

lofty jacinth May 29, 2023, 2:01 AM

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if you wait a bit more (probably tomorrow or the day after), I'll have yet another new version out

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with much improved and easier setup

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and some other minor changes that just make it work better

tiny blaze May 29, 2023, 2:02 AM

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oh yea please cuz i have quite some projects to migrate

lofty jacinth May 29, 2023, 9:36 PM

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@tiny blaze look at that plume expansion ❤️

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on the 9-Merlin engine

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I'm pretty sure that's the main reason they have the 9 Merlins of the booster together as one engine, instead of only providing the skirt and the single engines separately (which they also do btw)

tiny blaze May 29, 2023, 9:39 PM

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yeah that looks spetacular

lofty jacinth May 29, 2023, 9:39 PM

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so that they can make that custom effect for it as one piece

tiny blaze May 29, 2023, 9:39 PM

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yup, it would not be easy to replicate those stripes with 9x different engines

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god those plumes are pretty

ripe crow May 29, 2023, 9:58 PM

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lofty jacinth <@135118540377161728> look at that plume expansion ❤️

What mods that falcon from?

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Ive never found onw with waterfall

tiny blaze May 29, 2023, 9:59 PM

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tundra

ripe crow May 29, 2023, 10:00 PM

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I didnt know it had ro support

lofty jacinth May 29, 2023, 10:11 PM

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it's RSS without RO

ripe crow May 29, 2023, 10:26 PM

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Ah

rotund gyro May 30, 2023, 5:42 AM

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@tiny blaze when summer comes around (probably by next week) im gonna start working on the SORRY landing legs and starship, schools been super stressful for me lately lmao

tiny blaze May 30, 2023, 11:46 AM

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rotund gyro <@135118540377161728> when summer comes around (probably by next week) im gonna ...

Oh didnt know, its ok dw school is more important

tiny blaze May 30, 2023, 2:39 PM

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i might make it so you can choose between stock plumes shader and LFO shader in LFO

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thi swill give me a FUCK ton of work

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but i dont want people to only have LFO's shader as an option

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If you want stock you can have stock 🙄

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also i'll try to add support for any other shader that you'd like (tho support wont be as good as LFO's shader because i can't predict all the shaders)

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tho it will still be pretty much the same, just a bit more work, i might make it configurable

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Basically either you enter the ShaderKeyword yourself or you create a config for your shader

rotund gyro May 30, 2023, 4:17 PM

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tiny blaze Oh didnt know, its ok dw school is more important

yknow what scratch what i said ill work on it a bit

tiny blaze May 30, 2023, 4:18 PM

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NO

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SCHOOL

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NOW!

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lmao

lofty jacinth May 30, 2023, 4:18 PM

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~~Don't do school, stay in drugs~~

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Wait it was the other way around

verbal olive May 30, 2023, 4:18 PM

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~~lmao~~

tiny blaze May 30, 2023, 4:18 PM

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lmao, if you say so shrug

tiny blaze May 30, 2023, 4:19 PM

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rotund gyro yknow what scratch what i said ill work on it *a bit*

tho i'd appreciate if you sent the landing legs, as i said, you dont need to finish them now, send me the current .fbx its only for testing!

rotund gyro May 30, 2023, 4:19 PM

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tiny blaze tho i'd appreciate if you sent the landing legs, as i said, you dont need to fin...

ighty

verbal olive May 30, 2023, 4:19 PM

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thanks for reminding me I also use .fbx

tiny blaze May 30, 2023, 4:20 PM

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idk if its asset studio but all KSP2 assets are in .obj

verbal olive May 30, 2023, 4:20 PM

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yeah but .fbx is needed for some texture stuff, no?

tiny blaze May 30, 2023, 4:20 PM

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and .obj is better for game assets, but its a bit of a pain

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you can do it with .obj too

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you just need to pack things correctly

verbal olive May 30, 2023, 4:21 PM

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I've done it with .obj all this time, and you know what, I switched the tanks with an .fbx....that might have caused the issue I had

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~~obj it is~~

tiny blaze May 30, 2023, 4:21 PM

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verbal olive I've done it with .obj all this time, and you know what, I switched the tanks wi...

i dont think so?

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but can be, maybe

verbal olive May 30, 2023, 4:22 PM

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well I did have issues with models loading, so it's probably even the thing that went wrong

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 10:55 PM

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LFO new system mostly done

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it will be just like Waterfall but with more control for the modder

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and now supports any game object (including the game's)

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{
  "partName": "sorry_m2_VtolBi",
  "PlumeConfigs": {
    "[vfx_exh] OverlayR": {
      "meshPath": "fbxthrusterflame",
      "targetGameObject": "[vfx_exh] OverlayR",
      "ShaderSettings": {
        "ShaderName": "LFOAdditive",
        "ShaderParams": {
          "_FalloffStart": 0.0,
          "_NoiseTex": "fx-katniss-noise-2",
          "_Speed": {
            "x": 0.0,
            "y": 2.0,
            "z": 0.0,
            "w": 0.0
          },
          "_Noise": 1.0,
          "_Falloff": 5.0,
          "_Brightness": 0.75,
          "_StartTint": {
            "r": 0.027999999,
            "g": 0.0209999979,
            "b": 0.0143684205,
            "a": 1.0
          },
          "_EndTint": {
            "r": 1.0,
            "g": 0.09163621,
            "b": 0.0,
            "a": 1.0
          },
          "_TintFalloff": 2.0,
          "_Fresnel": 5.0
        }
      },
      "Position": {
        "x": 0.0,
        "y": 0.0,
        "z": 0.0
      },
      "Scale": {
        "x": 1.0,
        "y": 1.0,
        "z": 1.0
      },
      "Rotation": {
        "x": 0.0,
        "y": 0.0,
        "z": 0.0
      },
      "FloatParams": [
        {
          "Value": 0.0,
          "ParamName": "_Opacity",
          "ParamHash": 700,
          "UseAtmoCurve": false,
          "AtmoCurveType": 0,
          "AtmoMultiplierCurve": {
            "keys": [],
            "length": 0,
            "preWrapMode": 4,
            "postWrapMode": 4
          },
          "UseThrottleCurve": true,
          "ThrottleCurveType": 0,
          "ThrottleMultiplierCurve": {
            "keys": [
              {
                "time": 0.0,
                "value": 0.0,
                "inTangent": 2.0,
                "outTangent": 2.0,
                "inWeight": 0.0,
                "outWeight": 0.0,
                "weightedMode": 0,
                "tangentMode": 0
              },
              {
                "time": 1.0,
                "value": 1.0,
                "inTangent": 0.0,
                "outTangent": 0.0,
                "inWeight": 0.0,
                "outWeight": 0.0,
                "weightedMode": 0,
                "tangentMode": 0
              }
            ],
            "length": 2,
            "preWrapMode": 8,
            "postWrapMode": 8
          },
          "isDirty": false
        }
      ]
    },
    //MORE CONFIGS BELOW
]

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 10:56 PM

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I cant wait to give kerbals plumes

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 10:57 PM

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basically this is the important part

      "meshPath": "fbxthrusterflame",
      "targetGameObject": "[vfx_exh] OverlayR",
      "ShaderSettings": {
        "ShaderName": "LFOAdditive",

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obivously there will be a ingame editor

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 10:57 PM

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ripe crow I cant wait to give kerbals plumes

lmao you can with this

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give them fart clouds

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 10:57 PM

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Actually

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Would it be possible to say, add a water plume to a rock on vall?

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 10:58 PM

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yeah

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 10:58 PM

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To make geysers like in breaking ground

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Ah thats sick

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 10:58 PM

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basically you just have to know what the prefab name is, which can be got via AssetStudio or any other game decompiler

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the in game editor will also allow you to select that

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 10:59 PM

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How would the plumes state be determined for an object with no throttle

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 11:00 PM

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you can just add the shader with no "FloatParams"

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and it will leave it on

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 11:01 PM

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Cool

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 11:03 PM

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also VTOL plumes @lofty jacinth thoughts?

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i might need to make them way longer

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 11:04 PM

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Are they jets or rockets

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 11:04 PM

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rocket

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they're suposed to be used to land/takeoff from your colony

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 11:04 PM

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I think they should kinda just look like a normal rocket plume then

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With machdiamonds and the like

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 11:04 PM

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hmm yeah makes sense

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 11:05 PM

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Also, for vtols its pretty nice to see your dry center of mass, do u know of any mids for that?

lofty jacinth Jun 1, 2023, 11:08 PM

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yeah I agree, I'm make them look more like the other plumes in atmosphere

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though this plume would work just fine for them in the vacuum

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 11:09 PM

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lofty jacinth though this plume would work just fine for them in the vacuum

yeah made it more with that in mind, tho totally forgot that they could also be used in atmosphere lmao

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 11:09 PM

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ripe crow Also, for vtols its pretty nice to see your dry center of mass, do u know of any...

could do that yeah

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not part of SORRY obviously but probably part of Quality of Kerbalife (a QoL mod that i have but not released)

lofty jacinth Jun 1, 2023, 11:09 PM

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I like Fill It Up in KSP 1

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just press "Empty" or "Full" at the bottom and look at the mass markers

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 11:10 PM

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Rcs build aid is very nice

lofty jacinth Jun 1, 2023, 11:10 PM

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though it would be even cooler to be able to see them both at once

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 11:10 PM

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i'll probably add another marker to the OAB with another color

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like a Orange marker to be your dry CoM

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 11:10 PM

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lofty jacinth though it would be even cooler to be able to see them both at once

Rcs build aid allows you to overlay them

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See both at once

lofty jacinth Jun 1, 2023, 11:11 PM

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how did I never know that that's what the red marker is for

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husK

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I've literally been using it for years

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https://tenor.com/view/dying-monkey-dying-gif-13123180

Tenor

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 11:11 PM

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Lmao

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 11:12 PM

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i never understood rcs aid

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so i nevr used it

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 11:12 PM

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It makes vtol building far easier

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 11:12 PM

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even tho i always have it installed

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 11:12 PM

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tiny blaze i never understood rcs aid

I only use it for the dry center of mass

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 11:12 PM

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afaik its red circle big = unstable craft right?

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 11:12 PM

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Yea

lofty jacinth Jun 1, 2023, 11:12 PM

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it's pretty much a requirement if you're building anything with asymetric thrust

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 11:12 PM

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Thats the direction itll spin in from torque

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 11:13 PM

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we need that in ksp2

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 11:13 PM

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lofty jacinth it's pretty much a requirement if you're building anything with asymetric thrust

I use kerbal engineer and just fiddle with things until the torque is 0

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Or near 0

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 11:14 PM

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yeah @opaque citrus 's micro engineer doesnt have thrust offset yet

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want me to add it as a issue on git falki?

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 11:14 PM

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Do you think airbags would fit this mod?

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Like what the khistler k1 was gonna use

lofty jacinth Jun 1, 2023, 11:15 PM

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ripe crow I use kerbal engineer and just fiddle with things until the torque is 0

I mean for example with the last thing I was building (this Saturn-Shuttle), I had to basically balance it to where the torque with the tank full was ~1500kN and with the tank empty ~1000kN in the other direction

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can't really rely on a 0 there to make it balanced

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 11:15 PM

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Why are the f1s hydrogen

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Lol

lofty jacinth Jun 1, 2023, 11:16 PM

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eh just used the game's Rhinos and for some reason that's what the plume looked like

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 11:16 PM

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Ah

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The rhinos in restock are based off the m1 i think

lofty jacinth Jun 1, 2023, 11:16 PM

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oh ok

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 11:16 PM

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Which is like the f1 equivalent of hydrolox (albeit never built)

lofty jacinth Jun 1, 2023, 11:17 PM

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yeah makes sense

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gotta love an S-IC flyback booster lmao

ripe crow Jun 1, 2023, 11:21 PM

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I could never get flyback boosters right

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I did make a ares 1 like rocket with a flyback srb that would land on the island airfield

opaque citrus Jun 1, 2023, 11:22 PM

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tiny blaze i never understood rcs aid

Oh it's invaluable when building probes, especially in RSS/RO. Red arrow indicates total torque. Bigger arrow, bigger torque.

opaque citrus Jun 1, 2023, 11:23 PM

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tiny blaze yeah <@378898832559439876> 's micro engineer doesnt have thrust offset _yet_

It does have torque in OAB as an experimental feature. You can toggle it in settings (OAB window -> gear icon)

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 11:23 PM

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oh damn amazing ok

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any plans on also adding to the flight view?

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even tho i think that the flight view doesnt have a simple way to get CoT

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to then calculate the offset

lofty jacinth Jun 1, 2023, 11:24 PM

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to be honest I've never really needed to use that in flight anyway

opaque citrus Jun 1, 2023, 11:24 PM

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Exactly, that's why I didn't bother with it yet

tiny blaze Jun 1, 2023, 11:24 PM

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heh for vtols so you can just adjust the thrust on the front/back engine

opaque citrus Jun 1, 2023, 11:24 PM

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And yes, it's more important in VAB

rotund gyro Jun 2, 2023, 1:35 AM

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@tiny blaze im gonna get done with the starshop model soon i swear lmfao

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and the legs

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im gonna send it soon

tiny blaze Jun 2, 2023, 1:35 AM

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lmao dw

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school is more important

rotund gyro Jun 2, 2023, 1:35 AM

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oh my final exams are tomorrow lmfao

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im finished studying

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ive*

tiny blaze Jun 2, 2023, 2:35 AM

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not exactly what i wanted but ok....

lofty jacinth Jun 2, 2023, 2:35 AM

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uh

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I think something is leaking

tiny blaze Jun 2, 2023, 2:36 AM

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its actually an extra nozzle to keep it down

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the vtol engines are too powerfull alone

ripe crow Jun 2, 2023, 2:36 AM

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Reminds me of crew dragon during abort test

tiny blaze Jun 2, 2023, 2:37 AM

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i just had forgotten to set the position, scale and rotation lmao

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                        plume.transform.localPosition = kvp.Value.Position;
                        plume.transform.localRotation = Quaternion.Euler(kvp.Value.Rotation);
                        plume.transform.localScale = kvp.Value.Scale;

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fixed

ripe crow Jun 2, 2023, 2:37 AM

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Ksp came out over 3 months ago

tiny blaze Jun 2, 2023, 2:38 AM

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yeah and?

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oh btw

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i already have

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tank fule switching for all tanks

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just didnt release the mod cuz i want more content for it

ripe crow Jun 2, 2023, 2:38 AM

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tiny blaze yeah and?

I feel like it was a few weeks ago

tiny blaze Jun 2, 2023, 2:38 AM

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lmao i dont cuz i've spent way too much time on this

ripe crow Jun 2, 2023, 2:39 AM

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tiny blaze tank fule switching for all tanks

Bruh your are literally making all of the most used ksp1 mods and i dont know how you do it

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Hella impressive

tiny blaze Jun 2, 2023, 2:39 AM

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too many hours that i should be sleeping i've been programming

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thats how lmao

ripe crow Jun 2, 2023, 2:40 AM

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Lol

tiny blaze Jun 2, 2023, 3:14 AM

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great now it will be possible to switch between plumes w/o reloading

ripe crow Jun 2, 2023, 3:41 AM

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Awesome

tiny blaze Jun 2, 2023, 5:18 AM

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only missing the lfo editor window now, everything else is in place

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imma do it tomorow

rotund gyro Jun 2, 2023, 12:56 PM

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tiny blaze only missing the lfo editor window now, everything else is in place

you should add plume configs to the stock engines lmao

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yours look so much better

tiny blaze Jun 2, 2023, 12:56 PM

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Its doable now

rotund gyro Jun 2, 2023, 12:56 PM

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W

tiny blaze Jun 2, 2023, 12:56 PM

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I wont do it tho cuz that would be a fuck ton of work but anyone who wants to do it can

rotund gyro Jun 2, 2023, 12:57 PM

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yea

rotund gyro Jun 4, 2023, 2:40 AM

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@tiny blaze i am gooking .

tiny blaze Jun 4, 2023, 2:41 AM

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thats very pretty

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what is it?

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my guess is command pod?

ripe crow Jun 4, 2023, 10:01 PM

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Warhead

tiny blaze Jun 4, 2023, 10:03 PM

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husK

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youre adding a warhead to ksp?

median canopy Jun 4, 2023, 10:06 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/nae-nae-jollibee-ntc-dance-gif-13226131

Tenor

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Did someone say WIP?

tiny blaze Jun 4, 2023, 10:08 PM

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lmao

rotund gyro Jun 5, 2023, 11:12 AM

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tiny blaze my guess is command pod?

tiny blaze Jun 5, 2023, 11:12 AM

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oh i love it!

rotund gyro Jun 5, 2023, 11:13 AM

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yeah, i think the cloth sim insulation absolutely fucks

tiny blaze Jun 5, 2023, 11:23 AM

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you used it on the whole thing or just that lower portion?

tiny blaze Jun 7, 2023, 2:32 AM

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this is basically what the editor will be

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The top most dropdown is to select what gameobject you're looking at

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the scroldown just bellow it are all the layers, clicking on the label selects a layer, clicking on the button enables/disables it

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LayerName, is self explanatory

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you have controls for throttle and atm so that you dont have to use the game's shift and ctrl. Acces to position, rotation and scale, control of the curves in a easy way

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