Lux's Devlog

[frozen moss]

cant use cahtgpt rn D:

[tiny blaze]

yeah it has a limit of like 10 messages

or smth like that

now WHY TF IS MY RCSNOSECONE MODEL NOT IMPORTING IN GAME

[lofty jacinth]

it's way more

but it isn't based on message count

[tiny blaze]

for me it showed 10

[lofty jacinth]

it has a credit system depending on how long your inputs and its outputs are

afaik

I had the paid version and there was a limit for it even then, just a much bigger one

[frozen moss]

Mildly Interesting Lengthy Flying objects, some including Rcs Engine Exhaust M.I.L.F.R.E.E

@tiny blaze ^^

[tiny blaze]

its good

the problem is

!!!

lmao

i really love the idea

of Milfree inventing everything tho

[frozen moss]

MILFREE IS LOVE MILFREE IS LIFE MILFREE IS WAFFLE

[tiny blaze]

i can put something like SORRY (Milfree's junkyard)

[frozen moss]

[frozen moss]

could work

[tiny blaze]

and add it to the mod history

[obsidian hound]

Where does the name Milfree come from? The Kerbal Manager?

[frozen moss]

yeah

well

[tiny blaze]

i think it is a kerbal yeah

[obsidian hound]

Ah alright

So he's also canon lol

[frozen moss]

it was milfry or milfrie but i kept mispronouncing it as milfree

[obsidian hound]

Oh lol

[tiny blaze]

should the F9 landing leg have anything else?

lights probably right?

what else?

i like to make parts with various functionalities to reduce the part count

[frozen moss]

WAIT

NO DONT DO THAT

TRUST

ME

IT WILL TURN TO SHIT

JSUT LOOK AT THAT ONE KSP MOD

[tiny blaze]

tne nosecone has Methalox and Monoprop

which one? lmao

[frozen moss]

WTF WAS THAT MOD

UHH MMMMMMM

[tiny blaze]

what did the part do?

i might know it

[frozen moss]

it was like for rss ro and all of its parts where like procedural parts but for way to many things

like procedural capsules and lander cans

but it was like it took it way too far

[tiny blaze]

oh no i wont do all that

like, i was asking maybe add RCS on the landing leg

on the part that stays attatched to the craft

or smth like that

[frozen moss]

ah yeah thats ok

[tiny blaze]

Lights what more?

[frozen moss]

one of the annoying things from it was you could make a rocket in like 3 parts

which was actually sht

like whoever made that I WILL COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND GIVE YOU A MILDLY ANNOYING LECTURE ON WHY YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT

[tiny blaze]

i never liked procedural parts

only B9 wings

always thought that they were overpowered

also never used TweakScale

[frozen moss]

i liked them but i didn't like how you could kind of abuse then

i either play with no mods or all the mods

[tiny blaze]

like, with tweakScale you could go to duna on your first launch

not your first but like

pretty soon

[frozen moss]

i mainly played sandbox so meh

[tiny blaze]

oh for real?

[frozen moss]

yeah

i liked making shit

[tiny blaze]

i love the progression on carrer mode

[frozen moss]

neat

[tiny blaze]

i cant wait for multiplayer tbh

lets make Milfree's yard interstellar

[frozen moss]

im really into "HOLY SHIT I DID A DEEP WIKIPEDIA DIVE INTO ATLAS II AND NOW I WANT TO MAKE ONE IN KERBAL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-"

[lofty jacinth]

do you mean SSTU?

[frozen moss]

THAT FUCKING MOD ISTG

[lofty jacinth]

I think the main intention was to provide a low-part count solution

for people with weak computers

[frozen moss]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-kill-it-with-fire-gif-5874326

[frozen moss]

fair

[tiny blaze]

get better computer like?

\j if it wasnt obvious sahusahusa

[frozen moss]

https://tenor.com/view/itbetterbe-gif-24769492

/j

[tiny blaze]

i kinda hate those markers...

but it helps some people so 🤷

it should be obvious the intent of a message 😭

[frozen moss]

i used to hate them but then i kind of needed them because im shit at telling if someone's joking or not

lmao

thats why i use lmao and lol a shitton

[tiny blaze]

makes sense lmao

i was suposed ot be designing the landing legs

but im stuck with unitys shitty engine

😭

oh yeah, now if you want to modify descriptions just go here https://github.com/LuxStice/SORRY/blob/main/loc/english.csv

[frozen moss]

oh i got a place to put them also

[tiny blaze]

and edit it, and create a pull request, i'll accept it

[frozen moss]

lemme grab ms painmt

blue = lights

would be godly for landing

[tiny blaze]

maybe not on the actual legs

but yeah!

also i might ad that white background on them, and make it configurable as a color

[frozen moss]

i mean if its on the tips you could see the surface so well

[frozen moss]

yeah but diameter tho

and flat surfaces

[tiny blaze]

i mean you have 4 legs for the 4 diameters

it should work

you'd be fucked if you're using it on a flat rocket part tho, and mk2/mk3 probably wouldnt work

but i dont see people using them for those

[frozen moss]

fair yeah do that

[frozen moss]

BIG ASS WEIRD LEM

[tiny blaze]

im so counfused

WHY??

why is the texture tiling

[frozen moss]

milfree wants his share of the pay lmao

[frozen moss]

changed it to " Milfree's office-made parts"

[tiny blaze]

@proper nebula this is what you wante dright?

[proper nebula]

yes

now just need 9m parts

[tiny blaze]

tbh i might just make a fixed variant of the gridfins

instead of allowing players to "lock" the deployable gridfins

it would make more sense

and they would have a model to fit the locked stage

cuz it would look sily to have the fins locked with the current mechanism

[lofty jacinth]

wait by "locked" do you mean the tilt?

or just the fact that they're folded out

[tiny blaze]

folded out

they arent suposed to be like that

the red part is suposed to be paralel to the craft

[tiny blaze]

🙏

medium and large seem way too big tho

also, why tf is the noise map not working on the nosecones.... it is on the fins

[keen prawn]

Cuz unity is pain

[lofty jacinth]

amen to that

[obsidian hound]

Is this the fixed variant?

[obsidian hound]

Wtf hahahah

[tiny blaze]

nop, im still thinkin if i will make it a variant or an option on the original

[obsidian hound]

Ah, alright

[hoary aspen]

👏 yes, the scale is way off

[frozen moss]

mood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-byV8k9HhUc&list=RDMM&start_radio=1&rv=FK0q0ynIMcw

[tiny blaze]

FOUND IT FINALLY

the top part is the nose cone WITH THE SMOOTHNESS DOWN

[lofty jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/oscar-tacerta-pointing-clapping-applause-gif-16401364

[tiny blaze]

this is at 0,8593918, it seems pretty fucking close ngl

yeah i think i'll use this

[lofty jacinth]

yeah, looks close enough

[frozen moss]

hey @tiny blaze

[tiny blaze]

Yo!

[frozen moss]

you figured out the slider for color and such right?

like silver to painted etc

[tiny blaze]

nop, thats easy, its blue color

its the slider for how metalic parts look

before, parts where fully reflective, as fi it was the metal that had that color

now it looks like it has paint over it

[frozen moss]

so what if you made another slider

for material

an example could be for foam

[tiny blaze]

oh i dont control that 😭 i would have to alter their shader

but im sure thats nto hard to mimic other materials with what we have

[frozen moss]

hm

alrighty

[candid lagoon]

Looking good!

I like that you can paint the grid fins

[wispy steeple]

@tiny blaze Congrats on the release

Did you manage to get the landing gear in or is it just the cones and the grid-fins?

[wispy steeple]

nice

[tiny blaze]

just cones and fins for now,

[tiny blaze]

Hmm wtf

for me it downloads only 1

[wispy steeple]

One thing I'll mention is that on the mod's menu its way too long.

Instead of the full name, maybe just S.O.R.R.Y

[proper nebula]

its a meme, good mod

[tiny blaze]

that will be fixed on the next update of Space Warp

[tiny blaze]

oh lmao just realized, thought i had attached 1000 zips on spacedock 😭

thx :D

[wispy steeple]

Ah, you can't deploy inside of the VAB

[tiny blaze]

yeah, the ksp2 animation system isnt really compatible with the parts unfortunately

they would still rotate even when retracted with the ksp animation system

[tiny blaze]

if u want to keep them extended, just set an action group for them, click it once and leave it

[proper nebula]

...

wrong ping

[lofty jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-ping-hello-there-obi-wan-kenobi-obi-wan-kenobi-gif-22867127

[proper nebula]

oh wait your talking about BPM im fucking dumb

[wispy steeple]

@tiny blaze Are they supposed to open up?

Noticing alot of issues with Lift to Drag ratio changing a ton, and the debug isn't actually saying they're deployed.

[tiny blaze]

Brakes deploy them!

[wispy steeple]

Oh okay, 1 sec

[tiny blaze]

Also ignore the lift to drag, the game doesnt seem to use it for this type of surfaces

[proper nebula]

this is going to be so fun to integrate into #1082724691724214393. any useful values you can tell me about?

[tiny blaze]

hmmm, honestly i can't really give you exact numbers, they do seem to slow you down by about 40-60m/s

i measured this by dropping them from 5km up tho, might be more/less effective on actual use

maybe account for -40m/s on your delta-v caulculations

[lofty jacinth]

I imagine that would change a lot based on vessel mass

[proper nebula]

ok so I cant actually get data from them that will help?

[tiny blaze]

other than that i still can't predict how the drag affect

Oh yeah you can

i just dont know how you'd put them on your calcs

[wispy steeple]

Is there a metal version of your grid-fins @tiny blaze?

[tiny blaze]

havent got metal to work yet unfortunately

im still researching how to make it work

[wispy steeple]

Okay,

[tiny blaze]

its a miracle that the color work as of now lmao

[wispy steeple]

Something really fucky is going on.

Placing your parts onto a craft

[tiny blaze]

what? 😭

[wispy steeple]

and then adding or removing parts

causes massive lag spikes

[tiny blaze]

i guess MIGHT be colors

havent had that on my pc

it will deffinetly get better on next version once i optimize colors

do you get lag on flight?

[wispy steeple]

one second, I can't even build a craft to test them just yet

Where can I output logs?

Yeah this is unplayable.

I might try a new save

[proper nebula]

SORRY using #1087131707918012559 logging wen

[wispy steeple]

Is Shadow Utility built into the mod?

[tiny blaze]

so wierd wtf

i tested it on my version

😭

anyone else cant use it?

[proper nebula]

lol I wish, the utility is not even out yet. but gotta shamelessly advertise as much as I can.

[lofty jacinth]

I guess all that can be said is... SORRY

[tiny blaze]

Developers luck, works well on my pc but on others

[wispy steeple]

I can't tell if the RCS head is working or not, but the grid-fins are

[wispy steeple]

[tiny blaze]

either way, logs on KSP root folder, KSP2.log

[lofty jacinth]

we definitely need that emoji

[wispy steeple]

That's a certified H3VR Emote

[tiny blaze]

the lag spikes surely are colors

[frozen moss]

i should change my name to milfree lmao

MILFREE MASTERRACE

also ello everyone

[wispy steeple]

New save, no lag-spikes

I have no fucking clue.

Okay

So

[tiny blaze]

oh might be because of SAS

did u have other crafts in space on that save?

[wispy steeple]

Yeah I do

SAS really Hates your Grid-fins

and nose-cone

it wants to spin out like craaazy

[tiny blaze]

invert the controls

[tiny blaze]

maybe i can fix that real quick let me try something

YOOOOOOOOO

GRASSHOPPER 2.0

[proper nebula]

starhopper Jr

[wispy steeple]

its as soon as it uh

Yeah

no

[tiny blaze]

yeah thats the name

[wispy steeple]

Don't use them when accending lmao

[tiny blaze]

do people do that? 😭

[proper nebula]

Gridfins not included™️

[lofty jacinth]

well, Super Heavy will

so I imagine for some recreations of it, people will

[wispy steeple]

God.

PID sucks dick, I see it gimballing for no reason.

[lofty jacinth]

SAS sucks in general in KSP 2

[wispy steeple]

@tiny blaze RCS plumes are way too small on the cones, No clue if that's a KSP 2 thing or your end, I'm in atmo.

Oh.

There's a tiny lag-spike now.

But its still there for your parts.

When I attach your parts, then attach something else, it causes a lag-spike

[tiny blaze]

its ksp2 kinda, on atmo they are smaaaal

[frozen moss]

just deployed all the descriptions unto the fourms

[tiny blaze]

maybe i'll turn them up a bit

[proper nebula]

im sure im just being dumb, but where the hell are my gridfins.

[tiny blaze]

control surfaces

[wispy steeple]

Oh and it affects all parts.

wtf

Why is it lagging when I attach your bit

then remove it from the VAB still

[proper nebula]

wtf

[tiny blaze]

😭

[wispy steeple]

Lag-spike is getting worse.

[tiny blaze]

u got what spacewarp version?

can you send me your KSP2.log wolfie?

[proper nebula]

v1

[wispy steeple]

Where is it?

[tiny blaze]

root folder of ksp

[wispy steeple]

KSP2 log is out of date

[tiny blaze]

i need to find where the game stores the prefabs asap, else those lag spikes will be worse in the future

[wispy steeple]

incoming 28mb file

[tiny blaze]

its normal, mine usually says 0kb

🙏

[wispy steeple]

as in

its not updated in 10 minutes

For all I know it could be another mod @tiny blaze

just playing up with yours.

[tiny blaze]

no i dont think so, i have almost all mods that KSP2 has of now installed and nothing on my end :(

[wispy steeple]

Current set of mods

[tiny blaze]

idk if its my mod actually
u have a bunch of these
[EXC 14:15:10.107] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
InterplanetaryCalc.InterplanetaryCalcMod.Update () (at <ead61254ffbb45f58beecf222a113824>:0)

let me analyze it more tho

[wispy steeple]

Transferwindow breaking?

[proper nebula]

[EXC 14:15:10.107] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
InterplanetaryCalc.InterplanetaryCalcMod.Update () (at <ead61254ffbb45f58beecf222a113824>:0)

on startup is normal

[tiny blaze]

it seems to be StageInfo

look at the amount of messages

[wispy steeple]

oh fuck it could be, since it updates per part

I'll remove it real-quick and check.

[proper nebula]

thats before init right. all mods that dont check for initialisation do that. (mine too)

[tiny blaze]

but

[EXC 14:22:00.047] FileNotFoundException
System.Reflection.Assembly.LoadFrom (System.String assemblyFile, System.Security.Policy.Evidence securityEvidence) (at <695d1cc93cca45069c528c15c9fdd749>:0)
System.Reflection.Assembly.LoadFile (System.String path, System.Security.Policy.Evidence securityEvidence) (at <695d1cc93cca45069c528c15c9fdd749>:0)
(wrapper dynamic-method) BepInEx.Preloader.RuntimeFixes.HarmonyInteropFix.DMD<BepInEx.Preloader.RuntimeFixes.HarmonyInteropFix::LoadFile>(string)
BepInEx.Preloader.RuntimeFixes.HarmonyInteropFix.OnAssemblyLoad (System.Reflection.Assembly& __result, System.String __0) (at <fc9d7fbc6dcb44cf87be11d8d92ae161>:0)
(wrapper dynamic-method) System.Reflection.Assembly.DMDSystem.Reflection.Assembly::LoadFrom(string)
StageInfoMod.StageInfo.TryInitialize () (at <e62c59ada2d444ddbf9d35f9618b33a5>:0)
StageInfoMod.StageInfo.Update () (at <e62c59ada2d444ddbf9d35f9618b33a5>:0)

StageInfoMod.StageInfo.Update () (at <e62c59ada2d444ddbf9d35f9618b33a5>:0)

shes using a monobehaviour it seems

[proper nebula]

what are they reflecting.

[tiny blaze]

probably trying to initialize BepInEx patches

[wispy steeple]

I did see 0.9.1 of StageLoad was broken

I need to revert to 0.9

Stage-Info is causing it. @tiny blaze

[lofty jacinth]

yeah you're not the first person who said it's extremely laggy

[proper nebula]

holy shit the log spam, this is where the lag is

BPM used to also lag as it used to spam logs too.

[lofty jacinth]

what the actual fuck

[tiny blaze]

as i thought, thx for checking :D

[frozen moss]

JUST LETS STAGEINFO COOK

[proper nebula]

insert shadow lib logging wont lag your game.

[frozen moss]

IT NEEEDS THE INFOO /j

[wispy steeple]

I mean

[lofty jacinth]

Learn to use coroutines natalia bruh

[tiny blaze]

how tho? 🤨

[lofty jacinth]

no need to check stuff on every update

[wispy steeple]

I'm not gonna insert myself into the Natalia drama

[proper nebula]

since I made my own logging system.

[tiny blaze]

you know, you need to know every milissecond that it has indeed refreshed

[wispy steeple]

I'll report it to her at least.

[lofty jacinth]

might be difficult since she left most KSP servers

including the official one and SpaceDock

[wispy steeple]

Natalia is on Intercept Games

[lofty jacinth]

ah that was fast

[frozen moss]

exactly you need the info, stage info needs the info EVERYONE NEEDS TO KNOW IT NEEDS INFO /j

[tiny blaze]

@proper nebula have u got arround to them showing?

[lofty jacinth]

she left temporarily

but seems like she's back

[wispy steeple]

😔

[tiny blaze]

can it be because i packed it with SpaceWarp 1.0.1? and spaceWarp 1 wont work?

[lofty jacinth]

hm?

[proper nebula]

nope but im sure it due to one of my many indev unreleased mods.

[lofty jacinth]

SpaceWarp 1 works fine

[wispy steeple]

Sometimes I wish people weren't so stuck-up, but I also wish people weren't causing drama over dumb stuff

[tiny blaze]

Is the version checker updated?

[tiny blaze]

agreed

[wispy steeple]

Technically the EULA makes all mods not-allowed, so complaining about a splash-screen remover is silly

[lofty jacinth]

not yet, it will be in 1.1 probably

[wispy steeple]

Especially when yknow

PAIGE and shit gets removed

[lofty jacinth]

did you read Dakota's answer?

[wispy steeple]

IDK, that's my take.

[tiny blaze]

does it disable mods?

[wispy steeple]

They're looking into updating it, I know

[tiny blaze]

the 1.0.1 one

[lofty jacinth]

I meant specifically this

but anyway that's not the point of this thread

[frozen moss]

wait whats that in relation to

[wispy steeple]

I think removing the logos but keeping the EULA would be the smartest call.

[frozen moss]

if im reading the right spacedock should be on the legal chopping block

[lofty jacinth]

removing the logos is what breaks the EULA, the EULA isn't anywhere on the splash screens

[wispy steeple]

WHY IS MY ROCKET JUST FLIPPING AAAAAAAAAAA

[tiny blaze]

probably nosecone dragcube

theres a couple of values that i still dont know what they do

[wispy steeple]

not using your nosecone

I swear, their center of thrust for a ton of engines is just off

[lofty jacinth]

#🟢general-chat message
(and let's keep the discussion there - if anywhere - from now on)

so we don't derail this thread

[frozen moss]

mr.mod dont be such a mod

[lofty jacinth]

[meager yoke]

Feedback: zip file contents should start with /bepinex/ folder, so that can be copied directly to KSP2 install dir and have it merge into correct location.

[lofty jacinth]

definitely agree

it's the de facto standard for KSP 1 (and 2) mods

[proper nebula]

I still dont do that lol

[lofty jacinth]

so that users (and CKAN) can easily install them just by extracting them into the game folder

[wispy steeple]

I hope they fix flipping rockets.

[tiny blaze]

some people expect plugin, other bepinex 😭 im torn

[wispy steeple]

yep.

SAS just wants it to flip.

[proper nebula]

I will try and get it to show up tomorrow. not even loading for me. 💤

[wispy steeple]

I've seen more Bepinex then Plugin.

[meager yoke]

This is the first one I've seen that starts at /plugins/. all others either start with /bepinex/ or go straight to the mod's folder.

usually they start with /bepinex/

[tiny blaze]

i'll update it! Thx!

[meager yoke]

👍

[wispy steeple]

@tiny blaze Doing a landing on Duna rq.

[tiny blaze]

im sorry what? lmao

havent tested them in other planets

oh god my parts will delete kerbol

[wispy steeple]

@tiny blaze

[meager yoke]

Have any other released mods added parts yet, or is this a first?

[lofty jacinth]

first afaik

[meager yoke]

whoo, milestones!

[proper nebula]

this is the first as @fair wraith never released their one

[lofty jacinth]

not yet, yeah

[proper nebula]

please release, I need to bomb stuff

[tiny blaze]

LESGOOOOOO DUST

is it possib

[lofty jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/working-anakin-starwars-gif-4653092

[fair wraith]

Actually it is released, just dont know it

im downloading the mod rn

[tiny blaze]

@proper nebula do you still have the LogOutput of your game not loading the parts?

[wispy steeple]

Ahem.

[lofty jacinth]

[wispy steeple]

Now that's some "High" quality textures!

[fair wraith]

omg

;-;

My game is crashing

I think the mod broke my game

[tiny blaze]

what 😭

can you send me the logs?

[fair wraith]

Might be a skill issue on my part

[tiny blaze]

also do you have stage info in?

[fair wraith]

stage info lol

whats that

[tiny blaze]

lmao

[proper nebula]

just went to bed lol. Also the logs are useless, already checked, mods not getting loaded for me. Also have too much secret stuff in the logs so I will redact and send tomorrow

[fair wraith]

Wait it didnt crash

it made a full recovery

after doing a bit of thinking

[tiny blaze]

lol? uhashusaasuhashu

ok probably because it loads textures

[meager yoke]

gridfins and rcs nosecone not showing up for me.

[tiny blaze]

common issue it seems 😭

can you send me your LogOutput.log and your KSP2.log?

[fair wraith]

Me neither

[meager yoke]

not sure where logoutput is

[tiny blaze]

inside bepinex

[meager yoke]

👍

[fair wraith]

@tiny blaze I would like to congratulate you on the release, now you have 5 months of debugging!

[lofty jacinth]

[meager yoke]

😆

[tiny blaze]

YAY FOR ME :D

[meager yoke]

🎵
99 little bugs in the code, 99 little bugs...
Take one down, patch it around,
127 little bugs in the code.
🎵

[tiny blaze]

ashsauhsahuas

so Wolfie got it

[fair wraith]

If you ever need help with that one pesky bug that wont go away, we are all here to help

[tiny blaze]

whats differente between her and you?

HMMMM

thinking thinking

[fair wraith]

Im built different

[tiny blaze]

i can tell 😭

[wispy steeple]

Its because Munley himself blessed me

[fair wraith]

Seriously though, idk

[wispy steeple]

As I'm bringing him to KSP 2

[tiny blaze]

could one of you please try it with SpaceWarp 1.0.0?

[fair wraith]

Im using 1.0.1

[tiny blaze]

ALSO WAIT

important

where did u download it from?

[fair wraith]

Github Releases

.rar file

[meager yoke]

spacedock for me

[wispy steeple]

spacedock

[fair wraith]

https://github.com/LuxStice/SORRY/releases/tag/release

[tiny blaze]

FUCK lmao was expecting wolfie to have a different answer

[meager yoke]

😆

[fair wraith]

Hmmm

i might of found the problem

[LOG 22:03:53.748] [UI] Localization sources updating
[LOG 22:03:53.755] [System] Pre-initialization for plugin Sticks Armory completed in 0.0007s.
[LOG 22:03:53.760] [System] Pre-initialization for plugin Space Warp completed in 0.0000s.
[LOG 22:04:20.840] [System] Creating Splash Screens Prefab completed in 26.2222s.

Your mod does not like to initialize

for me atleast

[tiny blaze]

yup, that means that probably there was an exception during it

probably addressables stuff

[fair wraith]

Addressables dont load till after

[LOG 22:04:20.891] [System] Initialize Addressables system completed in 0.0168s.

22:04:20.891

[tiny blaze]

one funny thing

@wispy steeple what are your mods?

[wispy steeple]

scroll up, I sent an image

[tiny blaze]

oh you didnt change them?

[proper nebula]

I bet its my dumb mods breaking everything.

[tiny blaze]

can be, everyone seems to have the same set of mods

[proper nebula]

remove all mods and just see if it loads

[fair wraith]

I only have my mod (Sticks Armory) and your mod

[paper portal]

I removed all mods and it still doesnt work

[proper nebula]

ok so its not that then thankfully

[tiny blaze]

yeah he did

[fair wraith]

WAIT

I had this exact same problem

when I first moved to spacewarp 1.0

I had to remove

[BepInDependency(SpaceWarpPlugin.ModGuid, SpaceWarpPlugin.ModVer)]

for it to work for me

[tiny blaze]

could it be?

let me try

[lofty jacinth]

That's weird, all my mods use it and work fine

[fair wraith]

Idk, maybe its just my weird computer

[tiny blaze]

it does seem to be computer dependent

[lofty jacinth]

I assume you changed the referenced dll to the new version

[tiny blaze]

maybe outdated framework?

i did

i'll replace the dll again jsut in case

[fair wraith]

Is the code in the github the most recent code?

[tiny blaze]

i think so

yeah

[fair wraith]

You sure? Last it was updated was 4 days ago

nvm lol

I was on the release branch for some reason

[tiny blaze]

try this dll

removed the [bepdependecy]

[fair wraith]

ok, so I have some news

...

[tiny blaze]

do you use addressables or bundles on your mods?

[fair wraith]

the reason the mod didnt work is because my anti virus remvoed the last dll

[tiny blaze]

HMM

[fair wraith]

lmao

[tiny blaze]

WHAT

[proper nebula]

bruh

[tiny blaze]

LMAO

[fair wraith]

and I just didnt notice

till I went to replace it

[lofty jacinth]

at least one of them yes

(addressables)

[tiny blaze]

@meager yoke @paper portal can you please check?

suposedly the antivirus removed the dll

check under BepInEx/plugins/SORRY/ if SORRY.dll exists

thats wierd tho

[fair wraith]

I have some good news :)

[lofty jacinth]

Lux out here sending us viruses

[proper nebula]

wow you made a virus

[fair wraith]

Guys its not a virus

[meager yoke]

I haven't gotten any notifs from my av
and that file is still there

[fair wraith]

Norton Antivirus just hates all dlls

its a problem

[tiny blaze]

🙏 WORLD DOMINATION THROUGH KSP2

[tiny blaze]

not what i wanted to hear

[proper nebula]

why the fuck do you have norton

[meager yoke]

[fair wraith]

I know ;-;

Its gotten so bad the last few years

Its literally just bloatware at this point

It takes forever to open because of how unoptimized it is

[proper nebula]

just uninstall and use windows defender since WD actually works

[tiny blaze]

so try the dll i sent

[fair wraith]

The only reason I have it is because I get it for free because my parents pay for the family plan

[tiny blaze]

IT DOESS WD its actually not bad

this one pls @meager yoke

[proper nebula]

I love WD after windows 10. Especially with my hybrid AD

[meager yoke]

stand by

[tiny blaze]

standing 🧍‍♂️

[proper nebula]

they said stand bi not stand straight

[lofty jacinth]

[proper nebula]

sorry for asking but how old are you?

[fair wraith]

17

[meager yoke]

parts are now in the parts list, albeit with no icons.

[tiny blaze]

yeah still have to render the icons

[lofty jacinth]

ah it's so good to see grid fins in KSP2

[fair wraith]

Bombs with 100% more grid fins, and 100% nose cone thing

[lofty jacinth]

finally feels closer to home

[tiny blaze]

ok great so it seems like dependecy is the issue?

[proper nebula]

Wow 17 and sticks armory looks that good.

[fair wraith]

Ive been coding most of my life

[proper nebula]

good job man

[fair wraith]

thanks

[proper nebula]

also please remove norton lol

[fair wraith]

But without norton what else will give me random popups that my backup storage is full while I am in the middle of a game causing my game to close :(

[keen prawn]

Dayumn
Pretty good to be honest, I didn't know how to mod unity games at 17 (~2 years ago)

[fair wraith]

And that I have 8 broken registries

[lofty jacinth]

I had 0 Unity experience like 3 weeks ago at 25

[tiny blaze]

could my BepInEx be outdated? @lofty jacinth how do i update references with that csproj?

[lofty jacinth]

it should be fine, 5.x is not getting updated anymore

[proper nebula]

found out why my internet had broken

[lofty jacinth]

and the nuget package is the latest version

[tiny blaze]

SORRY was created on the 0.4 package

[wispy steeple]

lmao

[lofty jacinth]

BepInEx, not SpaceWarp

[lofty jacinth]

ohhh that makes sense

see when I said "did you change the reference dll to new version" I meant spacewarp

but if you're using the template, it's a nuget package

not a dll

so you need to update the nuget package version

[proper nebula]

|| sorry posting in the wrong place ||

[tiny blaze]

latest nuget version is 1.0.1 right?

[lofty jacinth]

you just need to change <PackageReference Include="SpaceWarp" Version="0.4.0" /> to 1.0.1

yep

[keen prawn]

should be

https://www.nuget.org/packages/SpaceWarp/1.0.1

[tiny blaze]

@meager yoke pretty please, can you test this?

[meager yoke]

👍

nope, parts missing again

[tiny blaze]

deffinetly the dependency then, ok great, ill pack the 0.2.1 then

thx for the help :D

[meager yoke]

np

[tiny blaze]

the dll above should work for you btw!

the one before this

[meager yoke]

yeah, i'm not in any hurry

[lofty jacinth]

that's a really weird bug

[meager yoke]

wasn't planning to use this mod, just wanted to take a peek at the first parts mod and help test

[lofty jacinth]

especially considering it's only happening in this one mod (using the same template as all my other ones) as far as I can tell

and Sticks which probably isn't

[tiny blaze]

id guess it has something to do with the part loading part

idk what and why

there seems to be an exception before the mod loads

causing the lack of bepInEx logs

[BepInDependency(SpaceWarpPlugin.ModGuid, SpaceWarpPlugin.ModVer)]

is it suposed to be SPaceWarpPlugin.ModGUID?

[keen prawn]

No?

[frozen moss]

THE COFFE MUST BE COOLED

[fair wraith]

When I gave the people helping make my mod a test build, it worked for them with the parts and everything

so idk

[tiny blaze]

well on the template it is??

[lofty jacinth]

it isn't

[tiny blaze]

@lofty jacinth is the dependency suposed to give SpaceWarps GUID?

[fair wraith]

Also I am back after a few minutes

[tiny blaze]

Wtf 😭

[fair wraith]

so idk whats happening currently in the conversation

which is my time to leave, its late

good bye people

[tiny blaze]

byee cya

[lofty jacinth]

this is the source for the template

[fair wraith]

Ill be on tommarow to help debug some more

[lofty jacinth]

it works fine with all other mods that have used it so far

[frozen moss]

Hey lux question

[lofty jacinth]

yeah that looks correct

[tiny blaze]

hey!

outdated, but should work no?

totally forgot about the version here

[lofty jacinth]

it changes automatically

from your project settings

need to set the <Version> tag in .csproj

[frozen moss]

So if I we’re to work on a part mod would you help me understand the code needed, I’ve done ksp 1 note pad code with adding fuel, crew, etc but not sure how it would work for ksp 2

[lofty jacinth]

with each version bump

[tiny blaze]

could this be it?

BepInDependencies cutting it out?

[tiny blaze]

obivously

[frozen moss]

:O

How different is it?

[tiny blaze]

idk, got to modding just on ksp2

idk nothing about modding in ksp1

[lofty jacinth]

it shouldn't be, unless some mods are depending on yours

then they wouldn't possibly load

but that is not the case here

[frozen moss]

Huh for ksp 1 could could really just take bits and pieces of part config a and smash it together to make your own

[lofty jacinth]

yeah that's not a thing anymore

(for now)

you have to package your stuff in unity and all that

[frozen moss]

Guck

I was so good at it lmao

[lofty jacinth]

I actually have been thinking about how to make a sort of proof-of-concept .json editing thing

similar to ModuleManager

and I think I've got a good idea

[frozen moss]

DO IT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

[lofty jacinth]

I'll still leave the original author of MM do their thing (they already said here in the server they want to work on it)

so I'd definitely just hand the code over to them if they wanted it and let them do their thing

/possibly help if they wanted

[frozen moss]

Why tf am I now getting really sad about not having ksp 1 mods

WAIT

I KNOW WHAT ILL MAKE

FREAKING SOFI

TWEAKABLE SOFI

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO DO IT

the idea is you could add another slider to the vab color ui

But it would just be SOFI or no SOFI

Can we got to #🔴mod-dev

Just look how fast people leave the room in my presence

[lofty jacinth]

because nobody has any idea how to do that

[frozen moss]

Ah cool

Well shiiiit

[frozen moss]

Quick gimme a idea that I can make into a mod without draining my brains while becoming a fellow modder and getting rid of the fact I’m a thirdwheel in any modder circle

[lofty jacinth]

https://discord.com/channels/1078696971088433153/1086959433344618496 this might not be too complicated

if it works the way I think, it should basically just be a few lines of code

but I could also be completely wrong

[tiny blaze]

SORRY - Testing Channel

[frozen moss]

So basically look for code change the values and package It up and ship it

[lofty jacinth]

something like that

[tiny blaze]

yeah thats deffinetly easy

now you'll have trouble finding where they put the physics lock i think

[lofty jacinth]

it depends heavily on how their code for this is structured

[frozen moss]

But wouldn’t that file be something that would need to manually be replaced by said user

[lofty jacinth]

you need to write a mod with a harmony patch

[frozen moss]

Or how tf do I use bepin

[tiny blaze]

we can help u with that dw

[frozen moss]

That is so Hungarian to me

[tiny blaze]

specially munix hes good at that

[frozen moss]

OH WAIT

[lofty jacinth]

https://discord.com/channels/1078696971088433153/1082861617018044496 template to get started + https://harmony.pardeike.net/articles/intro.html harmony docs

[frozen moss]

IVE DONE THAT

AHA MY KSP 1 SKILLS STILL EXIST

SO

QUICK EXPLANATION

[lofty jacinth]

(maybe let's move this to its own topic?)

[tiny blaze]

im ok with you guys talking here

[frozen moss]

I wrote things for benjees mod for filter extensions so I usually used something that would add it to each file without touching the file that sounnnds like a harmony patch

“It” being a set of code that would add a tag to the part which in turn added it into a filter extensions group

Am I right for it being a type of harmony patch or?

[lofty jacinth]

it sounds more like just a .cfg module manager patch

but I'm not sure

haven't seen any filter extension configs

[frozen moss]

I can send some Tom

That I’ve done

Anyway

[tiny blaze]

[frozen moss]

How does one do a “harmony”

[tiny blaze]

just 🙏 harmonize 🙏

[lofty jacinth]

you use the docs I sent

[tiny blaze]

best advice ngl

i probably spend half my time in docs

[frozen moss]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-care-didnt-ask-cope-_ratio-skill-issue-canceled-gif-24148064

[frozen moss]

idiot noises

[tiny blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gangster-monkey-monk-monke-shaptic-gif-21239890

[lofty jacinth]

just wondering, how much .NET/C# experience do you have?

or any similar language tbh, it doesn't matter that much

[frozen moss]

What in the actual fuck is that

[lofty jacinth]

oh

[frozen moss]

If you want to know what I know just open up the part config for the ksp 1 mk 2-3 command pod

That sums it up well

[lofty jacinth]

well, it will be hard to code a plugin without coding knowledge

so best to start with some C# tutorials and work your way up from there

[frozen moss]

I see my assumptions of me being a idiot is correct

[lofty jacinth]

just because you don't know it yet doesn't mean you can't learn

programming is fun

[frozen moss]

Well yeah but there’s a little problem

Me and code mix like shit

Oil + water

Reason being when you see code, you see code, when I see code I see a giant wall of letters mix in with some annoying thoughts of why do I both and etc

Tl:dr my adhd hates it

[tiny blaze]

try to read it like a sentence

[frozen moss]

Makes sense

That’s how I read ksp 1 config

[lofty jacinth]

just to have an idea, this is for example how a very simple harmony patch looks like (it's the patch to hide all UI when pressing F2 that I wrote for Community Fixes)

[frozen moss]

Albeit that felt way more approachable and simpler from the get go

[frozen moss]

Alright so I have no idea how I can read that like a sentence

[lofty jacinth]

honestly modding right now is mostly about reading the game's source code and trying to make a sense of it, then picking out the bits and pieces you need for what you're trying to do

[frozen moss]

I could understand fix name and //, used those before in ksp 1 and for the name it looked similar to ksp 1 stuff I didn’t dive into

[frozen moss]

Oh that makes it so much better /j

[lofty jacinth]

I'll admit it's not very easy

not impossible, but you definitely need at least some experience

[frozen moss]

Yeah

I mean here’s something I’ve done that I’ve dug up https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1018245143263981650/1027250127842320434/ArtemisConstructionKit.cfg

[lofty jacinth]

yeah, module manager stuff

[frozen moss]

Yep

[lofty jacinth]

it's what I'm hoping I might be able to help with the foundation for for KSP 2 (basically the continuation of MM)

[frozen moss]

Huh

Is it normal to have a mental crisis about how I can still play ksp 1 while also playing ksp 2

[tiny blaze]

im curious

should gridfins be upside down?

[frozen moss]

Look at falcon 9

[tiny blaze]

on carnasas video he says that they are the wrong way arround

but Falcon 9 has them as i set the default to be

[frozen moss]

I’m just getting sad and jealous and nostalgic for ksp 1 mods

whyyyyyyy

[lofty jacinth]

I think he was saying that if he places them in the default way they are, they don't work, only when placed upside down

[tiny blaze]

also KRE used gridfins upside down as default

so yeah, the flat part up, and the hinge down right?

either way i think thats a config bug, because stock control surfaces work both ways

[lofty jacinth]

no idea about that tbh

[frozen moss]

anyone?

[tiny blaze]

havent had one but u made me think about it lmao

[frozen moss]

Yeah, like I can still play ksp 1 with all the mods I want in ksp 2?!

Why is this so crazy to me

[tiny blaze]

oh that

yeah its suposed to tbh

modders tend to go the the new game to make mods for it

its specially funny now in the early stages cuz ur figuring everything out

[frozen moss]

That’s not my point

I really wish I had so many mods in ksp 2 rn like oranges, ack, planetside etc

But I can just

Go play ksp 1

Why am I having a mental breakdown over this

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-f-ilthy-frank-confused-gif-11254472

[tiny blaze]

cuz u want them in KSP2 NOW

lmao

[frozen moss]

Yeah my impatience could be why

[wispy steeple]

I went back to KSP 1 and I prefer KSP 2 at the moment, due to just how many QoL changes (That work) and improvements compared to KSP 1, but I feel an urge to go back and do it in KSP 1 but I just can't

Even the little "S-2XL" in the top left helps so much.

[tiny blaze]

Totally didnt forget to set the parts CoM correctly

[lofty jacinth]

[proper nebula]

lol

[wispy steeple]

No wonder my ship keeps flipping

@tiny blaze How hard is it to add new parts? I want to make some rescaled engines that are based off the stock engines

well, 100% stock engines, just rescaled and adjusted

I wanna downscale that XL nosecone to all sizes, cause it looks cool. and I wanna rescale the Rhino and Mammoth-II to XL sizes and give them slight performance increase

Or should I wait until this new lib comes out

[lofty jacinth]

you might be able to do that just in code, copying a part object and changing some properties

[wispy steeple]

I might need to rescale the models and fx though.

[lofty jacinth]

that might be an issue then, since you'd be redistributing copyrighted assets

[wispy steeple]

Tweakscale when

[wispy steeple]

True and unfortunate.

Might still make it, but private

[tiny blaze]

not hard at all

if you want i can add them on my mod

tho, rescaling isnt really "legal" to redistribute i think

since ur using their models

[obsidian hound]

Milfree built the bottom out of tungsten, and the top of cardboard
Do you want me to add it to the lore?

[tiny blaze]

oh lmao munix jus tsaid that

[tiny blaze]

feel free to add what u want to the descriptions!

[obsidian hound]

No jk, it was a joke about the wrong center of mass ahahah

To canonize it

[tiny blaze]

I meaaaan i could leave it like this 🙄

[obsidian hound]

Oh lmao

Is it hard to set it correctly?

[tiny blaze]

no not at all

i really want to ask for better textures

but for that i need to have a decent model

[wispy steeple]

Please don't

Center the center of mass

[tiny blaze]

cuz i dont want to waste the artist time by asking for new textures for the remade model

[wispy steeple]

Mind teaching me? Did you figure out icons as well?

[tiny blaze]

icons are easy, but im a developer not an artist so theyre hard for me

its just a render of the object, a png

[wispy steeple]

Oh, that's fuckin easy

[tiny blaze]

btw

[wispy steeple]

I'll do some temp icons for ya

[tiny blaze]

what would u rather?

for texture making

[wispy steeple]

Substance Painter

[tiny blaze]

the cone being split in 4, 2 our fully onto the UV?

[wispy steeple]

oh lol

[tiny blaze]

this is 1/4

but idk if you can make good normals/details with this

[wispy steeple]

Usually you can get away with 1/2, HOWEVER

if done incorrectly, you will see a bump/seam on the edge where they connect

[tiny blaze]

i think i'll do it as 1/2 then

for extra D E T A I L

[tiny blaze]

should i make 4k textures for this? just cuz Q U A L I T Y?

or should i stick with stock 2k?

idk how much it would affect the performance, but it would look prettier

[wispy steeple]

stock 2k

[cyan ferry]

Texel density (pixels per meter) is a better way of judging what texture size you need than absolute texture size

E.g. a very small part with a 4K texture is going to look way too detailed

Ideally you want to match the ppm with what stock parts use, but right now they are all over the place as there's a lot of (seemingly) placeholder assets still in there

That way everything has a consistent level of detail

For KSP1 we used 200-300 ppm but KSP2 looks to be higher in general

https://github.com/mrven/Blender-Texel-Density-Checker

You can use this addon to calculate & set texel density in blender

[tiny blaze]

yeah like, i think that i would need a higher res since the part is BIG

let me see

i'll assume 500 ppm for KSP2

4k gets me 470ish

with this unwrap

i'll go with 4k for now

let me see if this is the final model, if it is then i'll ask for textures :D

[cyan ferry]

You can also reduce texel density for really big parts since you tend not to zoom so close in

IK some parts in Tantares/BDB are like 100-150 for really big parts

[tiny blaze]

new model compared with sotck one

maybe too sharp up top?

[lofty jacinth]

honestly it's fine

I like the sharp end

[tiny blaze]

still with normals wierd......

[cyan ferry]

You can fix this with data transfer modifier

I can walk you through it when I’m home if you want

[tiny blaze]

please do :D

seems better @wispy steeple ?

no flipping this time :D

actually now i cant seem to lfip this no matter what lmao

[wispy steeple]

GOOD

[wispy steeple]

That looks like a mesh/UV issue, How did you make the hole?

[tiny blaze]

got a vertex in the middle of an edge, beveled it

[wispy steeple]

Huh.

[tiny blaze]

then subdivided the 4 edges created by the bevel into 16

I already tried the boolean with a cone but it always gives me wierd nromals too

[wispy steeple]

Yeah

Boolean is weird.

Did you calculate the normals?

I think its uh

Under the green cube tab

Geometry

[tiny blaze]

actually no, let me see if that helps

[wispy steeple]

1 sec

Click "Add custom" and click all the boxes.

Then auto-smooth @tiny blaze

[tiny blaze]

wtf that actually seems to have worked

at least in blender

[wispy steeple]

You're speaking to like #4 or something's H3VR Modder

I know my way around Blender and Unity

I just can't code.

I pay others to code for me, and then I use their scripts to make stuff

[cyan ferry]

Autosmooth will help but not entirely solve it, there will still be some distortion in the normals around the cut

To properly solve it, you need a copy of your mesh without the hole cutout (in your case it would just be a smooth cone)

[tiny blaze]

i do have that already u think

i made this out of a Bezier curve, and i still have it

i can just re twist it

[cyan ferry]

Then select faces of the surface you want to smooth (e.g. like this) and press P to separate into a new object by selection

Then add a data transfer modifier to that mesh and set it up like this, with the Source set to the name of your object without the cutout

It basically takes the normals of your unedited mesh and applies it to the edited one

The two meshes need to be in exactly the same position for it to work since it projects from one to the other

But then you can apply it and join it with the cutout mesh (or leave them separate if you want)

[tiny blaze]

ohh ok great

[cyan ferry]

It doesn't handle sharp edges so you just want to do one smooth surface at a time if you get what I mean

[wispy steeple]

[tiny blaze]

yes got it!

[cyan ferry]

Nice!

[wispy steeple]

[cyan ferry]

You can do lots of fun stuff with data transfer, changed my life when I found out about it

E.g. my T-38 model uses it to blend together the different parts of the mesh without a visible seam

[tiny blaze]

Yeah i noticed that its a lot of diferent meshes

[cyan ferry]

Some of them I just haven't joined yet because I'm lazy lmao

Also I think the origin points are all in the nose still

[tiny blaze]

they arent i think, i changed the scale factor in unity and it didnt follow the placement

if they were i thnk they wouldve followed the placement and scaled everything correctly

[frozen moss]

mornin yall

[hoary aspen]

Here's not morning, I'm in the future

[tiny blaze]

morning

parts are looking gewwwd now

[wispy steeple]

Pics or fake

[tiny blaze]

You cant test it for yourself on 0.2.2 hehe

[wispy steeple]

show image

[tiny blaze]

OK OK CALMDOWN xD

[tiny blaze]

gridfins now look so sexy wtf

OH TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THE PICS IM SO SORRY

[ripe crow]

Looking geat

Great

Yknow its be sick if there was a part with inline gridfins

Sorta like what terran r had

[tiny blaze]

should be easy

[tiny blaze]

can you send me images of how it looks?

[ripe crow]

Theres an indent they rest in making it streamline

[tiny blaze]

hmmm, is it ok if i integrate it on my Service part?

it will be a part with Batteries, Reaction wheels and Solar panels

[ripe crow]

Yea thats fine

I just love sleek rockets and gridfins pointing out always annoyed me a bit

[lofty jacinth]

I wish we had parts with negative space like in KSP 1

like

when you add the shrouded solar panel and offset it a bit inside of a part

there's a hole in it when you deploy it

[ripe crow]

Yea i miss that

[lofty jacinth]

which goes into the actual parent part

[tiny blaze]

what? never knew that

dont we have this here?

[ripe crow]

Hope they add it back because it made offsetting things look better

[lofty jacinth]

maybe only in restock?

but definitely not in KSP 2

it would fit nicely with this request for inset grid fins

[tiny blaze]

never was a fan of offsetting things into others, only when 100% necessary so yeah

[lofty jacinth]

since you could just apply that to the grid fin itself

and when offset inside the vessel, it would give the same appearance as if it was inset

[tiny blaze]

that would be cook yeah humm lets hope they add it

[lofty jacinth]

might not even be a stock KSP 1 thing, really not sure right now 😆

but I know that Restock parts definitely do it

[cyan ferry]

That was a mod, using a depthMask shader

Should be possible to do since it's a default Unity shader IIRC

Has some limitations though

[tiny blaze]

was the shader set to the part?

[cyan ferry]

Yeah there would be a mesh with the depth mask assigned to it

Think the plugin had to do some clever stuff to deal with the multiple cameras in KSP1, not sure how that differs in KSP2

And I am very much an art guy not a plugin guy so can't pretend to understand it properly lmao

[tiny blaze]

once i finish a couple of my projects will look into that, that would be amazing to have, specially since KSP2 looks so much better

[wispy steeple]

Are they curving?

[tiny blaze]

Yes!

idk i like it more than the flat panel

what u think?

[wispy steeple]

I'd like both

[lofty jacinth]

actually I agree

or like, medium-curvy

so that they can be used at least on a tank of one size up and not clip

[tiny blaze]

okidoki

for now i'll keep medium curvature, so it fits 1 size up, but in the future, if i get parts variants working, i'll allow all 3

[tiny blaze]

@lofty jacinth like this?

half of the bend, now its 22.5º

no cliping

Also working on normals for the parts :D

all other maps are wrong tho! dont mind them

[lofty jacinth]

oh hell yeah that's awesome!

still a nice rounded form factor but applicable to more sizes

exactly what I imagined, thanks!

[signal heath]

nice

[tiny blaze]

are there bolts/nails on both adjacent panels? like this?

idk it looks right but idk if its accurate

[cyan ferry]

Some of the stock parts have that yeah

[tiny blaze]

@lofty jacinth thoughts?

taking some creative liberty now that i learned how to use Substance Painter

[lofty jacinth]

hmm

I mean I kinda like it

but i think it will make people use it less

[tiny blaze]

true that, hmmm