Community Fixes & Kerbal Life Hacks

[carmine coyote]

what do you think?

I also added coloring for the maneuver patches

these are the colors in order of the respective patch indices

in theory only 5 (or 6 for the maneuvers) are needed, because that's the maximum the game allows

but better be safe than sorry

😆

and if for some insane reason, these were not enough, I actually index the lists modulo their lengths, so the colors would just repeat from the start)

[ripe bridge]

Awesome! I’d like to double check KSP1 too to keep it similar

[carmine coyote]

it's quite different, I wanted to keep the same color scheme as the stock game

blue and similar colors for the main trajectory, orange and similar colors for maneuvers

no reason to mimic KSP1 here imo

[carmine coyote]

bookmarking this here

would be a nice next life hack

(for the Color Manager in the VAB)

[ripe bridge]

@carmine coyote after seeing the video - I was on mobile - I think it's definitely cool 😄

[carmine coyote]

and, if I just waited a bit longer, unnecessary, too

since it's coming in the next game update

lmao

[ripe bridge]

hahaha

lol!

I didn't see the update

https://i.imgur.com/RHWkZj4.png this seems cool! Finally unified UI

[stone jungle]

Great new function! Chinese translation added. Happy to be helpful!

[carmine coyote]

Awesome, thanks!

[wild pagoda]

I may be able to get this done... but i'm hating Unity UGUI so much right now :/

[wooden minnow]

I've been saying this! Although the replies in the thread bring up a good point -- we need a bit more than a simle hex code since there's also transparency

[ripe bridge]

it could be simply #RRGGBBAA

no?

[wooden minnow]

yeah basically

[wild pagoda]

Currently using ColorUtility.TryParseHtmlString to parse the hex, but does not seems to work with alpha values.. need to check

[wooden minnow]

@carmine coyote another thing mentioned in the thread that I think might be worth adding to the fixes: when renaming a craft in the tracking station, the colour of the background becomes nearly the same as the colour of the font, so it's very difficult to see what you're typing. It's likely that they'll fix that with the upcoming font change, but it should also be pretty quick to implement while we wait for that?

[wild pagoda]

Alpha can be easily controlled with the slider anyways but if i can also make it accept in hex is a plus

[wooden minnow]

Yeah just having the hex would already be a great improvement

[ripe bridge]

Yes the hex itself would be huge

[wild pagoda]

Got it working also with alpha

[wooden minnow]

Nice

[carmine coyote]

the best way to go about creating the labels and text boxes would probably be to clone other ones that already exist in the game, to get the same styles

similarly to what we do for example for the Mods page in Settings

you can do that very easily with just something like

var originalObject = GameObject.Find("path/to/some/text/box");
var myTextBox = GameObject.Instantiate(originalObject, newParentTransform);

[wild pagoda]

Thanks for the tip! I'm doing that now.. but still, working with UGUI is a pain in code.. With UITK is so much easier

[carmine coyote]

I definitely agree with that!

[simple marlin]

I was thinking of adding a hack that lets you set your target body/vessel+part through dropdowns and without having to go to the map and fumble around. anything like that already in the works y'all might be aware of?

[simple marlin]

Also, @carmine coyote I get an error inside OrbitalLineColors.cs: Feature 'collection expressions' is not available. Please use language version 12.0 or greater Doesn't seem like the language is explicitly set in the .csproj, but setting it to 12.0 there does in fact resolve the issue for me.

You guys do little fixes like that as separate branches/PRs, or push them straight into dev or something?

[carmine coyote]

Ah, that sounds like you have multiple versions of .NET SDK installed and for some reason, it's not picking up .NET 8 as the current/default one

[carmine coyote]

I think Flight Plan might do something like that to some extent, but not exactly the same

And I do push my stuff directly to dev, but you won't have access to repository by default, so PR is the way to go 🙂

[simple marlin]

That sounds right. I'll leave the change locally but avoid committing it for now, then. Thanks!

[static spruce]

FP does offer this capability but I can see it being broadly useful. I don’t think I’d want to pull it out of FP, but you’re certainly welcome to adopt or adapt from what FP does

[simple marlin]

FP is amazing. Probably what planted the idea in my head in the first place, lol. It may not be something worth actually releasing, but it sounds like the right level of difficulty for a first task for me.

[carmine coyote]

one thing that will make this kinda difficult is that we'd need to add a Unity project for Kerbal Life Hacks in order to make a UI for the target picker

because so far none of the other "hacks" have their own windows

I'm wondering if it wouldn't make more sense to make it its own mod considering this

there wouldn't really be much of a difference in difficulty

plus SpaceWarp.Template includes a ready-to-go template type for UI projects, which would make it easier to get started than adding it to an existing project, I think

[simple marlin]

Ah, I see. I was thinking the UI could be built programmatically, but would definitely be more straightforward from within Unity.

I looked at the repo for Flight Plan, and THAT didn't look like a Unity project either. I get the sense there's a piece of the puzzle I'm not seeing here

[carmine coyote]

the Unity project for Flight Plan is here: https://github.com/schlosrat/FlightPlan/tree/master/FP_UI

but Flight Plan (at least the current version) is not using the template

or rather, a very old version of the template

a better example would be my fork where I've converted it to the newest project structure and am working on adding localization: https://github.com/jan-bures/FlightPlan

[simple marlin]

oh i like this template

[ripe bridge]

the template is chef's kiss

[static spruce]

Yep, A very old template. I'll be happy to align with the new template once you've got that to a state where you're ready to give me a PR!

[carmine coyote]

oh I can probably do that right now

I have all that done and working, just not the localization yet

one thing that I would ask of you before I do it is, if you don't mind, to merge your changes from master into dev, for some reason dev is actually behind master

and I'd rather make a PR into dev, but my code is based on master

@static spruce

[static spruce]

I can do that. I'll get that sorted and then post here.

[carmine coyote]

thanks!

[static spruce]

Dumb question just to be sure I don't f this up. Does this look right to pull from Master into Dev and get them aligned or do I have this backwards? That would be a disaster.

[carmine coyote]

yep that's right

[static spruce]

OK, that's don, but it also says Dev is one commit ahead of master.

[carmine coyote]

it's just the merge commit, that's expected

[static spruce]

So this is expected and is inconsequential?

[wild pagoda]

Almost done, what do you think?

[carmine coyote]

Oh that is looking amazing!

[wooden minnow]

Wow, very well done! 🎉

[wild pagoda]

Thanks!

Btw I just found out that using HDR colors you can make glowing parts 😄

[carmine coyote]

yo

that's crazy

[simple marlin]

Ah, damn, and here I am already having used the mind-blown emoji

It doesn't look like it affects the emissive maps, so the light won't be reflected or affect other parts, but it's awesome nonetheless!

[wild pagoda]

Yep, it's just the albedo, the glow is from PP effects not real emissive light

[simple marlin]

i kinda need to see a whole glowy rocket, though

[wild pagoda]

i tried but doesn't look very good, it's good for small parts

[simple marlin]

your contribution to Science is appreciated

[carmine coyote]

this is what NASA should be spending taxpayer money on

glowing rockets

[wooden minnow]

Holy crap
Can that actually be implemented in the colour selector?

[wooden minnow]

Project Glowstick

Raver Space Program

[wild pagoda]

yes it's already in there

[wooden minnow]

Cool! So how does it work in terms of the input numbers?

[wild pagoda]

Values past 1 are HDR colors

[wooden minnow]

Ah, makes sense

[tame hazel]

We are about to have way too many cyberpunk rockets

don't remove the constraints

or I mean dont constrain it

[mental tundra]

This is amazing

(both the color picker improvement and the shiny neon rocket)

[ripe bridge]

this is beautiful!

[wild pagoda]

And since the kerbal suite take the colors saved for your agency, glowing kerbal suits, here we go 😄

[stone jungle]

Amazing! I've always wanted this!

[sick kite]

Mmm, Tron

[lunar widget]

nice

[wooden minnow]

Oh man, this is going to look sick with the mod that gives kerbals proper headlights since those can be adjusted like any other lamp

[lofty dock]

So it looks like I already had glowing suits support in HUMANS, but didn't know it 😆

[static spruce]

Amazing!

[wild pagoda]

@carmine coyote Hey, made the PR with the VAB Extended Color Manager, did some testing and seems to work fine but the code is a bit messy and I may have missed something, I did my best 😄 Let me know

[carmine coyote]

awesome, thank you, I'll take a look at it shortly!

[lofty dock]

@carmine coyote, for VesselLandedStateFix, I think you need to check for Splashed state as well

[carmine coyote]

oh damn, that's a new one

I haven't seen that one before 😆

[lofty dock]

Might have been an unusual landing spot few have reached so far 🙂

[carmine coyote]

fixed, thanks

[lofty dock]

Here's the save if you need it for testing, vessel Eridiani

[charred glen]

The bug that just keeps on giving

[carmine coyote]

to be fair I don't actually fix this bug, it's just a very dumb workaround

[charred glen]

How many times until community fixes eradicates it

[carmine coyote]

like I literally just check if the state is wrong and update it

that should do the trick

[tame hazel]

Making people install spacewarp 1.9 i see

[carmine coyote]

indeed

[high brook]

Updated forum topic.

[carmine coyote]

thanks!

[high brook]

@carmine coyote can you create a new thread
https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/messenger/148552/?tab=comments#comment-389872

[carmine coyote]

will do after lunch, thanks

[carmine coyote]

done https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/topic/223492-community-fixes-v0120-for-ksp2-v021/

[carmine coyote]

@high brook they just completely ignored that DM and didn't lock the thread

Would you try to report it instead?

[high brook]

wtf

[high brook]

when I get to a computer

[carmine coyote]

Thanks

[simple marlin]

What happens when ships are docked as far as names are concerned? Do their identities get lost for good? I wanted to suggest a life hack that shows the craft's name instead of the part model in the Resource Manager so that you could more easily select which you were trying to transfer to and from, but based on what I've seen with some undocking behavior, I'm thinking the name used from the VAB is lost when you dock two craft.

Anyone know for sure on the functionality there?

[frigid lance]

I've seen inconsistent behavior. I want to say I've seen it give another number, like Starship-2 undocks to be Starship-2 and Starship-3. But sometimes undocking gives one of the two vessels DefaultName-3 or something like that. Finally I think I've seen it actually remember the different names. It's maddeningly inconsistent. I think one variable is probably whether the vessel is pre-docked in the VAB or if you dock / redock after launch. I'm not sure what the other variable(s) are. For reference, I play with CF & KLH with default configs.

[carmine coyote]

I added a fix in 0.11.0 for this to keep the original names when undocking

#1183537268565229648 message

it should still work

[frigid lance]

@carmine coyote so what is expected behavior with the community fix enabled and a vessel pre-docked in the VAB? Also does it matter if you rename a vessel in the tracking station prior to docking? I'm not pushing for a fix (I don't mind renaming there if I need to) but I'd be happy to help out with save games if I see a deviation. If you're interested, what save games would you want? One prior to docking, one with them docked, and/or one with then undocked?

[carmine coyote]

I don't think I've ever tested that use case to be honest

[wooden minnow]

Hi, so is this released or not yet?

[carmine coyote]

nope, not yet

I would like to first either make it compatible with Color Presets, or add the functionality of Color Presets into it

because currently the UI breaks when you use both at the same time

[wooden minnow]

Makes sense

[cobalt bison]

hmm, is it just me or are experiments still pausing spuriously in 0.2.1.0

skimming through the code in dnspy it looks like the science experiment code still has the same bugs from 0.2.0.0, and may be entirely unchanged

[carmine coyote]

hm

it's possible

to be honest I didn't test it too extensively

[cobalt bison]

let me try validating files, disabling all mods, and using a fresh save just in case

[carmine coyote]

I kinda just trusted the patch notes when they said they fixed it lol

but it could have been a different similar bug, or something

[cobalt bison]

at a glance it seems like they may have just forgotten to commit whatever patch they were citing in the changelog or something, lol

they mentioned a new "suspended" state for experiments which I don't see anywhere

[frigid lance]

I've seen inconsistent results. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Orbital survey seems fairly consistent. For most (if not all) planets, you can do orbital survey in low orbit separately for each scientific area, but in high orbit you just get credit for one, regardless of what biome you are in. If I remember correctly, it correctly pauses in low orbit and will unpause on its own when you reenter the area. However, it shouldn't pause when you transition biomes in high orbit but it does, and I've found the need to click unpause manually immediately after switching. Also once in a while things don't seem to work the way they should, but I'm not sure of the details / root cause. I've had the radiation thing stop and need to be reset manually before continuing.

[cobalt bison]

yeah, I think I'm starting to figure it out

in 0.2.0.0 there were two different issues:

• experiments would always pause when switching region, even for those that don't care about region like orbital survey in high orbit
• experiments needed to be manually restarted which is painstakingly tedious with long-running experiments that flip between biomes frequently (e.g. orbital survey in low orbit)
  it looks like 0.2.1.0 seems to have fixed the latter issue by resuming experiments when they return to their initial region, but not the former

[tame hazel]

I think the always pause is intended

Where it pauses on a new biome and then waits for the original biome again

I think thats intended

[cobalt bison]

actually hmm, now it's not pausing on biome switch for me

[tame hazel]

Thats even odder, it should pause on biome switch I thought

They should just do away with this pausing system alltogethet

Just have the experiment to have a state per situation

[cobalt bison]

this code is a mess

[tame hazel]

Remember you are looking at decompiled code

[cobalt bison]

it looks like they did actually fix both of the issues from 0.2.0.0, but there are at least two new bugs

[cobalt bison]

oh yeah I'm aware, I'm referring to the logic itself haha

[tame hazel]

The best logic would just be this

[cobalt bison]

probably

anyways - the new issues I've found are:

1. when an orbital survey experiment is started in low orbit and the craft shifts to high orbit, the experiment resumes running and just yields a high orbit research item (high orbit -> low orbit works correctly but with some weird context messages in the UI)
2. time warping at high speed with a running experiment can result in experiments being "eaten" and reset rather than completing when the remaining duration goes negative at a bad time (this was also technically possible in 0.2.0.0, but nigh impossible to encounter due to the constant pausing)

[lofty dock]

From my playthrough, you start the Orbital Survey experiment at a specifi region and then it needs to complete that region before you can start in a new one. So it pauses when you get to a new region and resumes when you get to the original region. If you start the experiment in a new region, it then wants to complete that new region and forgets about the old one. Tedious still.

[cobalt bison]

that's how it works in low orbit, but high orbit yields the same data regardless of region

[carmine coyote]

well, that's experiment-specific

[cobalt bison]

yes, this is for the orbital survey

[carmine coyote]

oh lmao, I was thinking Orbital Survey aka Falki's mod, not Orbital Survey the stock experiment type

[cobalt bison]

ah, lol

[lofty dock]

I mean the stock experiment, yeah 🙂

for high orbit there's no validlocation so there's no requirement for a scienceregion, i.e. it behaves as it's a single region

[carmine coyote]

yeah right

gotcha

[sharp totem]

ok so we can acces the part manager even without vessel control

[strong egret]

would it be possible to add the CR-7 R.A.P.I.E.R in Air-Breathing Engine Mode to the usable jet engines for the "It's Breathable Enough" side mission?

[sly coral]

kerbals don't count down anymore :(

[ornate quartz]

Hi @carmine coyote, I made a PR to add a fix for the debris name in the Tracking Station

[carmine coyote]

oh nice, thanks! I'll take a look at it sometime today

[mossy fulcrum]

Ah sick!

That’s been an ache for me personally

[carmine coyote]

sorry it took me this long to get to it, but I did just test it and it doesn't seem to reliably work for me

whatever the original name of the craft, it gives me "Debris of Default Name"

[sly coral]

Debris of Default Name

[ornate quartz]

What did you craft looked like? So I can try and replicate it

[carmine coyote]

one of them was relatively complex but the other was just one of the stock sandbox rockets

with the 4 small side SRBs

I just burned straight up until I got to space, and then decoupled them, and the screenshot is taken right after that

[ornate quartz]

Thanks for the release @carmine coyote . I was planning to send you a message to let you know about my PR but you were quicker.

My first fix only handled the simple case where a single debris was generated linearly. My new fix covers the following cases:

• multiple debris generated by linear separation above the root part
• multiple debris generated by linear separation below the root part
• the root part becomes a debris
• multiple debris generated radially
• decoupling and undocking of a debris
• decoupling and undocking of a ship (a consequence of my fix is ​​that the two ships end up with the same name, I had to slightly modify the fix on the name management during decoupling so that it also handles this case).

[sly coral]

we are so back

[sly coral]

it works!

someone needs to fix SAS t hough

[ornate quartz]

What do you mean?

[sly coral]

like clicking retrograde doesn't make it point retrograde, and just spins the craft, or the fact planes turn wobbly when you just turn it on

[carmine coyote]

I think I've only ever seen that first bug once, but generally SAS really sucks in comparison with KSP1, it's extremely overtuned and induces oscillations

but it might be possible to "fix" that by just adjusting the parameters of the internal PID controller

[sly coral]

i just want it to point where i want it, not just dance around or flip

[ornate quartz]

Hi @carmine coyote I've submitted a new PR to fix the inflatable heatshield : https://github.com/KSP2Community/CommunityFixes/pull/58

[sly coral]

w

[mossy fulcrum]

Yoooooooo

[paper ice]

whoop whoop!