Space Warp

[visual marlin]

@sacred jasper PR for the conversion doc sent

Glad I could contribute!

[static mural]

I made a new thread in #1078701690762571866 : #1082003765185495162

[wicked wyvern]

btw is "dependencies": [] in swinfo.json still a thing?

or just the BIE attribute now?

[sacred jasper]

It's only metadata now

Realistically it only gets displayed in the mod menu

[wicked wyvern]

got it, so not completely deprecated, but not functional right now

[sacred jasper]

https://www.nuget.org/packages/SpaceWarp/0.4.0

[visual marlin]

Getting a whole bunch of these building off of 1.0.0

[sacred jasper]

Odd

Does it keep happening?

[visual marlin]

I changed their Instancing and it looks like it is resolved. Weird that it needs a GameManager reference

Not worth it right this second

[sacred jasper]

@mossy kraken on that last issue, actually close it, I was dumb and didn't realize there was such a function even though I looked 10 times to find it lol

And I just did trying to make sure I wasn't dumb

[mossy kraken]

Closed

Can we merge this?
https://github.com/SpaceWarpDev/SpaceWarp/pull/143

[sacred jasper]

Will do

[mossy kraken]

Awesome, that cleaned up all the files in the root directory.
Looks way better now

I am off to bed now

[sacred jasper]

I am spending the rest of the night to myself

[wicked wyvern]

Definitely deserved, great job

[little bay]

huh

I've never seen anyone put the md files in .github

I didn't even know you could do that

seems... odd

[wicked wyvern]

oh yeah that's my first time seeing it too

but it seems nice to clean up your root

[little bay]

actually that seems to have broken some things

the license is no longer properly displayed on the repo page

[steady rose]

@static mural Do the build script files assume that the user has a python interpreter installed?
I didn't see any mentions in the installation instructions about installing python3 or any automation scripts to do it for the user. I've always had python installed from previous projects, so it didn't affect me but I am curious about it.

[wicked wyvern]

good point

[static mural]

It does. Interesting.

Should prob fix that lol

Hey can we merge the docs pr #3? I fixed the missed pun opportunity :p

[timber cedar]

@sacred jasper can look at pr?

[timber cedar]

also can i change the docs url from spacewarpdocs.readthedocs to spacewarp.readthedocs

will need to change up some of hte links in the readmes

[steady rose]

@static mural created a PR with a windows executable to do the work of build.bat and build.sh for windows users who don't have python installed. (builder.py packaged as executable)

[static mural]

Hey can I get maintainer on the Space-Warp-Installer repo? I think I'm the only one actually doing anything on the repo rn

[timber cedar]

i would really like to give you access im gonna try rn

i keep forgetting every time xd

i dont think i can though

like physcially dont have acess

@sacred jasper

1. can you rename the repo to wormhole
2. can you give redstone member, or just acess to the repo?

[timber cedar]

if the person is advanced enough to do mod development for this, dont you think they would have python installed? or either make an sha key for exe cuz very sus

i dont like the idea of an exe because it ruins the idea of open source

[static mural]

Yea, but it's just autopytoexe so not really

[steady rose]

i dont like the idea of an exe because it ruins the idea of open source
I can't argue with that.

make an sha key for exe cuz very sus
As the author of the commit, I could include the sha256 checksum in the readme but then you have to ask "Do you trust the person who provides it?"

if the person is advanced enough to do mod development for this
We could assume that, but maybe new modders entering the scene aren't quite adept to python and want to focus on C#

[timber cedar]

yeah i see what you mean, i understand the point of the exe

but i still feel like it ruins some very needed aspects

[static mural]

Alr I gtg for the night. Gn everyone!

[timber cedar]

^ cya

[steady rose]

Regardless, I certainly respect your concern for security and I'm glad you asked those kinds of questions! 😁

[timber cedar]

:D
if you ever think of a better solution id be happy to use

maybe a virtenv of some kind

or a docker

[steady rose]

Hmmmmm... ok, I think I can work with this. I'll get back to you.

[timber cedar]

:D

cool

[steady rose]

I'm aware of docker on a high-level, but I wouldn't know where to start. 😬 I'd be willing to learn

[timber cedar]

whatever you choose, if it works :P, ill use

[mossy kraken]

Let's not get crazy with dockerizing and all that jazz

[queen pilot]

You can install Python via the Microsoft Store nowadays, I think that installing python to develop is reasonable

[mossy kraken]

I have done some reconsideration and thought about it and concluded with:

1. This is really stuff you should learn as a developer anyways.
2. Bundling an EXE with our source code opens up a lot of security risks.
3. I know a lot of people who refuse to clone projects with EXE files in them.
4. It creates more maintenance as we need to rebuild the exe file with the latest version of our project, which can be time-consuming and require additional resources.
5. They are in general larger in terms of file size
6. Could potentially create legal issues as we may need to obtain the necessary licenses or permissions before bundling external dependencies required to run the exe with your project.

[steady rose]

4. It creates more maintenance as we need to rebuild the exe file with the latest version of our project, which can be time-consuming and require additional resources.
   Since it was built from the builder.py script it shouldn't need to be rebuilt each release unless that python script needs maintained every update.

6. Could potentially create legal issues as we may need to obtain the necessary licenses or permissions before bundling external dependencies required to run the exe with your project.
   Can you elaborate on this a bit more? I'm not challenging this, I'm just genuinely curious and want additional perspective!

1. This is really stuff you should learn as a developer anyways.
   Agreed, at the very least, I'll update the README.md to include python installation prerequisites.

I will also work on adding some defensive coding to the build scripts that validate python's installation and recommend an update if their version does not meet our specs with a link to python.org/downloads

I know that Python installation seems trivial and overcomplicated to most of us here for what it is.
I'm thinking about the new Modder's experience.
I'm ok with making them install python if that's what everyone here agrees with, I respect the security, legal, and community concerns around the exe.
I just don't want to lose the young Modders because they run a script for the first time and then have to troubleshoot why the terminal flashes briefly and blanks out without generating the folders they need for their own plugins without any human readable feedback.

I'll get to work on these things tomorrow 😴 , and then @mossy kraken , and @timber cedar I look forward to getting your feedback on what I come up with!

[inland lichen]

FWIW, from my perspective as a tech-savvy heavy mod user who has only dabbled a teeny, tiny bit in mod creation (and it wasn't for KSP), I feel like a mod requiring users to have another program completely separate from the game and mod in question installed is a bad idea.

[mossy kraken]

I do agree with this.
Just not sure if we should bundle this project with a EXE or not before we have come to an agreement.
Not everyone on the team is awake right now, so we are waiting for everyone to voice their opinion.

[sacred jasper]

I'd rather not put a .exe in the source code myself.
As for the build script, maybe we could look at rewriting it in powershell and bash?

[sacred jasper]

The templates are also outdated and need updating fwiw

[wicked wyvern]

honestly this

[wicked wyvern]

afaik, this doesn't require users to have python, only the modders

and they already need to have a development environment set up so just installing Python3 with one click in the Microsoft Store isn't going to hurt them

[wicked wyvern]

honestly, as long as the docs clearly say that you need Python installed for project generation and tell you exactly how to do it (for which having .bat and .sh files and pointing the modders to them should be fine)

and as an alternative, just keeping the example mod project up to date

so that if they don't want to install python, they can just download and adapt the example project to their needs

[queen pilot]

So the script is for generating a project skeleton or building Space Ward itself?

[wicked wyvern]

Oh yeah actually my bad, it seems the project generation script is no longer there, it's just the build script now

Then I guess my point stands even stronger, not only do users not need to be building SpaceWarp, since they have releases to download, the same goes for modders

Only SpaceWarp contributors technically need to use the build script

[timber cedar]

^^ literally this

@sacred jasper can i just merge to v1.0.0?
is this the new unstable-testing?
i made script to autocopy extrenal dlls :p

[sacred jasper]

Consider - that only works for steam

[timber cedar]

i frogro add pd support brb

uhhh where is pd launcher

private_division_dir = os.path.join(os.getenv("LOCALAPPDATA"), "PrivateDivision", game_name)
```is this it

idk ill just add it can change later

wait ebic games also

[sacred jasper]

I have but one question, how hard is it for someone to copy dlls

[timber cedar]

hmm yes

Verily, 'tis a task more arduous than the running of a lone python script whilst eschewing the quest for its installation directory.

i think i sleep now

im starting to see sound

[static mural]

Look in installer code

I did this already

[static mural]

O yea go to sleep gn

[little bay]

I'd suggest https://nuke.build/ or https://cakebuild.net/ at that point

either one would let you write a build script in C#

no python, no dealing with bash

a win win, really

(BepInEx 5 uses cake, 6 uses nuke, that's how I know of them)

[late condor]

No

[little bay]

I've seen many people who have never touched programming before try to mod unity games

[late condor]

And do it successfully at that

[wicked wyvern]

still, would they really need to build SpaceWarp themselves?

[little bay]

(I also have no idea what "ruins the idea of open source" means, most runnable open source projects need to be compiled into an exe)

[wicked wyvern]

if they can just reference the released dll or use NuGet

[late condor]

I mean I would hope not, no one making a mod should need to do anything more than download SW from SD and then start setting up a new mod

[mossy kraken]

Almost none open source projects have you run an EXE in your project folder to build.
You can create a Release that ships a EXE file

[little bay]

oh, yeah

[mossy kraken]

but its not normal to include one in the project

[little bay]

but also SpaceWarp... doesn't really need a build script at all anymore

it's a single DLL

[sacred jasper]

it's mostly to package it up into a zip automatically

[little bay]

a script to package it, sure

[static mural]

I can add a check that auto downloads python and uses it if it isn't found in the path - only problem is cpython is GPL 2

[sacred jasper]

Thats ... even worse?
Auto downloading a program?

[little bay]

hell, I wouldn't even make a script for that

I'd just do it entirely in CI

[sacred jasper]

Honestly yeah something like this might be helpful

[late condor]

Automation is king

[static mural]

Ok alr

What about using docker like said before

[wicked wyvern]

tbf there's no need to get rid of the python script for those who want to test their mod compatibility before release or something like that, but I don't see a point in worrying about any other use cases

[little bay]

that would require... people to have docker installed?

which I'm pretty sure is way less common than python is

[mossy kraken]

No, no docker

[wicked wyvern]

it's a utility thing - you have python, you can use it, you don't - you just hit "Build" in your IDE

[late condor]

Does the project build without modification on a fresh clone?

[wicked wyvern]

yep

[little bay]

no

you need to copy in game DLLs

[wicked wyvern]

well yeah

[little bay]

that's what he was asking

[wicked wyvern]

yeah nvm I just forgot that step since I've had them in that folder since I cloned 0.1 lol

but that single extra step (which asks for a path to the game anyway if it doesn't find it in the default one) can easily be just as well taken care of by a single .bat/.sh file that just asks for game path and copies the dlls over

without any external dependencies like Python needed

[late condor]

It can also be taken care of by the csproj using msbuild

I must still have that solution around somewhere

well, I found a custom ITask for it, but I swear I reworte this gamefinder task as a pure Msbuild solution

[little bay]

I have one

[late condor]

I'd say thats probably one of the btter solutions to the issue, that or CI

[little bay]

https://github.com/Arkhist/Hacknet-Pathfinder/blob/master/Configurations.props and https://github.com/Arkhist/Hacknet-Pathfinder/blob/master/PathfinderAPI/PathfinderAPI.csproj

[late condor]

msbuild is a good setup because it requires nothign

[little bay]

I mean the best option is just... nuget

(I bumped bepis about that by the way, he's looking into it)

[late condor]

yeah publicized stripped api

[late condor]

ah your version doesn't discovert he steam lib folder

wouldn't work on my machine

[little bay]

yeah but you could pretty easily make it use SteamUtils from tcli I think

it doesn't work on my machine either, I have to use that Custom.props file that you see conditionally included

I just never bothered to make it better

I always forget about the AssemblySearchPaths property

I should use that more often

[sacred jasper]

If someone wants to make a PR to make the building better, be my guest, otherwise I shall look at it later this week

[little bay]

instead of having HintPaths everywhere https://github.com/SpaceWarpDev/SpaceWarp/blob/main/SpaceWarp/SpaceWarp.csproj#L14-L42

[mossy kraken]

What do we do about this issue?
https://github.com/SpaceWarpDev/SpaceWarp/issues/152

Is anyone on linux? I guess if you are on linux your should know how to build it on linux anyways 😛

[timber cedar]

@mossy kraken

yes? i mean it will, it just copies over the files

[mossy kraken]

Its trying to copy the files from the Kerbal Space Program 2\KSP2_x64_Data\Managed 📂 right?

So if any of these files update in the future, will it be able to override them with the new ones?

[little bay]

by linking them to the documentation that already exists that they didn't read https://docs.bepinex.dev/articles/advanced/proton_wine.html

:p

[mossy kraken]

Nice, did not know we had that doc

Would be cool to have our NuGet Package listed here

[little bay]

I don't think you can do that

I think that window is exclusively for GitHub packages

which is a really weird system

[mossy kraken]

Not sure, have not looked into it to much

https://docs.github.com/en/packages/working-with-a-github-packages-registry/working-with-the-nuget-registry

[static mural]

What about makefiles or other build systems? It's pretty clear we need a build system

[wicked wyvern]

that will still require extra setup on Windows if I'm not mistaken, but the Cake/Nuke stuff looked pretty promising

[sacred jasper]

Thats what id suggest

[wicked wyvern]

https://nuke.build/ says it has native support for both Rider and VS/VS Code

[steady rose]

Id be happy to toss a PR up later today with some exception handling in the bat/shell scripts in the mean time until the team settles on a build approach.
In context of what I wrote bellow this would really be a Quality of Life thing for SpaceWarp contributors.

Reading through everyone's comments, I realize I was approaching it an ass-backwards way. I was under the impression that the build scripts also created mod packages using a config file provide by the "SpaceWarpUser-ModDeveloper".

The "SpaceWarpUser-ModDeveloper" ideally should not need to build SpaceWarp themselves. Instead they would download the pre-built zip and just copy the ExampleMod package structure as @wicked wyvern stated prior.

I think the only thing preventing this, however, is the dependency of KSP2 external_dlls being copied in.
@timber cedar I saw you make a couple of PRs to implement automatically finding install locations, do you think that same technology could work in the built version of SpaceWarp so that it can make a reference to the user's KSP2 install location?
This might be a solution to not requiring the "SpaceWarpUser-ModDeveloper" to build SpaceWarp, AND cover us from redistributing the KSP DLLs

[sacred jasper]

Ooo

[wicked wyvern]

seems like all you need to use it is dotnet tool install Nuke.GlobalTool --global

and you need .NET to build the project anyway

so the CLI should always be present

[bold stag]

How long before SpaceWarp is stable? I wish to write documentation, but currently it's changing everyday. Maybe after release of v1.0.0?

[sacred jasper]

Currently, not much is planned on breaking going into 1.0.0

I can't think of anything off the top of my head

[bold stag]

so now is the right time to write the documentation?

[sacred jasper]

Yes

[bold stag]

https://spacewarpdocs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html

this is the current documentation, right?

[sacred jasper]

mhm

[bold stag]

https://github.com/SpaceWarpDev/SpaceWarpDocs/tree/en

[sacred jasper]

yep

[bold stag]

Okay, so what should the documentation contain?

Overview
Examples
Code Snippets
Reference Documentation
Troubleshoot
and error handling of C#?

you were typing @wicked wyvern

[wicked wyvern]

specifically I'd say what most people will be interested in is: basic mod structure, swinfo.json structure, how to use the SpaceWarp UI skin, how to add OAB/Flight app bar buttons, how to load assets and addressables, how to add configuration (that can just point to the BepInEx config docs)

that's off the top of my head

[timber cedar]

remember to pull the en branch

[wicked wyvern]

• migrating from pre-0.4 to 0.4+

some of that is on the GitHub wiki

[mossy kraken]

https://github.com/SpaceWarpDev/SpaceWarp/blob/main/.github/DOCUMENTATION/SpaceWarp_0.4.0_Conversion.md

SpaceWarp_0.4.0_Conversion.md

[wicked wyvern]

yep

but it'd be nice to have it in one place, and not two wikis with different amounts of information

[mossy kraken]

Indeed

[bold stag]

basic mod structure, swinfo.json structure

these two are already covered here: https://github.com/SpaceWarpDev/SpaceWarp/wiki/Porting-pre-v0.4-to-post-v0.4

[mossy kraken]

This is a conversion guide

[wicked wyvern]

still, like I said

if the readthedocs wiki is meant to be the main one going forward, it would be nice for it to have all the info

not half there and half on GitHub

that's just convoluted

[bold stag]

Give me 5 minutes

The swinfo.json file is a configuration file used by the BepInEx framework, which is a used by SpaceWarp.

The swinfo.json file is used by BepInEx to identify the plugin and provide information about it, such as its name, version, and dependencies. (?This information is used by BepInEx to manage plugins, check for updates, and resolve dependencies.?)

The file is typically located in the root folder of a BepInEx plugin and is named after the plugin's assembly. For example, if the plugin's assembly is named MyPlugin.dll, the configuration file would be named swinfo.json.

Here's an example of swinfo.json:

{
  "name": "MyPlugin",
  "version": "1.0.0",
  "author": "John Doe",
  "description": "A plugin that adds new features to the game.",
  "source": "https://github.com/myplugin",
  "dependencies": {
    "SpaceWarp": "1.0.0"
  }
}

smth like this?

[wicked wyvern]

actually BepInEx has nothing to do with these, only SpaceWarp uses them

and I don't think that "MyPlugin.swinfo.json" works, it needs to be just "swinfo.json" in the mod root next to the .dll

[bold stag]

alright, let me read about BepInEx.

[sacred jasper]

missing ksp version

which sw should use in the future

[mossy kraken]

swinfo should prob contain the mods license in the future also?

"license: "MIT"

etc

[wicked wyvern]

I don't know if it's necessary, since forums and other places require the LICENSE file to be placed in both GitHub repo AND mod release zip

[mossy kraken]

Alright

That we could display it ingame in the Mods menu if we added it there.
It can be optional

[wicked wyvern]

I mean the "license" field in the json could point to the LICENSE file instead I guess?

[mossy kraken]

Sure, that works

[wicked wyvern]

in case they weren't in the same folder

[bold stag]

What is swinfo.json and how is it used in SpaceWarp?

swinfo.json is a file used by the SpaceWarp Modding API. This file contains metadata about your mod, such as the mod ID, name, author, description, version, dependencies, and game compatibility. SpaceWarp utilizes this file to identify and display your mod's entry in the Main Menu Mods Section of the game.

How to create a swinfo.json file for your mod?

To create a "swinfo.json" file for your mod, you can use the following template:

{
  "mod_id": "your_mod_id",
  "name": "Your Mod Name",
  "author": "Your Name or Team Name",
  "description": "A brief description of your mod",
  "source": "The URL of your mod's source code repository",
  "version": "1.0.0",
  "dependencies": [
    {
      "mod_id": "dependency_mod_id",
      "version": "dependency_mod_version"
    }
  ],
  "ksp2_version": {
    "min": "minimum_supported_game_version",
    "max": "maximum_supported_game_version"
  }
}

Where to place the swinfo.json file?

The swinfo.json file should be placed in the root directory of your mod, along with the DLL file for your mod.

@wicked wyvern

[wicked wyvern]

I'd suggest removing any notions of SpaceWarp loading anything, it doesn't do that anymore, it only uses the swinfo.json file currently to display an entry in the main menu Mods section

[timber cedar]

remember to write it all in rst format

[wicked wyvern]

but then again I'm not the best person to give this the go-ahead, since I'm just a mod dev, not even a SpaceWarp contributor

[timber cedar]

it looks good just write it in rst format :D ex.

modinfo.json
=========================================

The modinfo.json file for a mod follows the following structure:

::

   {
       "mod_id": "example_mod", // Should be the same as the folder name for the mod
       "author": "cheese3660",
       "name": "Example Mod",
       "description": "An example mod for spacewarp",
       "source": "https://github.com/SpaceWarpDev/SpaceWarp", // Link to the source repository, none for no source
       "version": "0.0.1",
       "dependencies": [
           {
               "id": "example_dependency",
               "version": {
                   "min": "0.0.1",
                   "max": "*" //any field in the semantic version can be replaced with star, or if there is no ., the '*' is implied
               }
           },
           .
           .
           .
       ],
       "ksp2_version": {
           "min": "0.0.0",
           "max": "*"
       }
   }

[bold stag]

I assume it is crucial without it the mod will not work or merely the entry will not be displayed int he main menu section?

[timber cedar]

uhh i dont know actually

wait i do

it'll fail

you need a swinfo.json

[wicked wyvern]

I'm not 100% sure, but I think that if your mod doesn't require OnPreInitialized/OnInitialized/OnPostInitialized to be run for it to work, then it would load fine without swinfo.json

still, I agree that the file should be used in any case if you're referencing SpaceWarp stuff

[late condor]

Slightly unrelated but is the, mod_id, the bepinplugin guid, and the id under dependencies all supposed to be the same set of values?

[wicked wyvern]

technically I think that the BepinPlugin GUID could be different and nothing would happen

[timber cedar]

where? i see xd didnt read message

[wicked wyvern]

at least I can't find any sort of reference to it in SpaceWarp code

but I'd say that it should be the same for consistency anyway

[late condor]

The bepinplugin guid is used by the chainloader for resolving bepindependency chains

I was curious just because I'm Ultimately going to be building something to generate the swinfo.json

As part of my toolkit for ksp

[timber cedar]

var modInfoPath = Path.Combine(folderPath!, "swinfo.json");
if (!File.Exists(modInfoPath))
{
  Logger.LogError($"Found Space Warp plugin {plugin.Info.Metadata.Name} without a swinfo.json next to it. This mod will not be initialized.");
  spaceWarpPlugins.Remove(plugin);
  continue;
}

it will not load

[little bay]

well, to be precise

it will be loaded by BepInEx

the component will exist, it'll get events like Awake and Update

but none of the SpaceWarp stuff will work

OnInitialized, the assetbundles stuff, etc

[wicked wyvern]

yeah that's what I meant

[little bay]

we could also Destroy the component maybe? that sounds like even weirder behavior though

[timber cedar]

^

[wicked wyvern]

people may still want to use pure BIE mods

unless you mean destroying the component if it is a subclass of BaseSpaceWarpPlugin but doesn't have a swinfo.json

but it does sound weird

[little bay]

that is what I meant, yes

[late condor]

Isn't it possible to tell bepinex to not load a mod?

Or is it just too late in this context

[little bay]

nah, SpaceWarp does it's thing too late for that

[timber cedar]

@static mural amazing pull request

just into the wrong branch

main branch for archive

use the lang specific branches

i fixed it

[static mural]

Lol ok

[lime plaza]

Does space warp need the configuration manager dll it builds?

[lime plaza]

Why does the intended spacewarp install method obliterate my BepInEx.cfg file?

[wicked wyvern]

what does that mean?

[lime plaza]

It includes a BepInEx.cfg which will overwrite mine

[wicked wyvern]

you either install just SW if you already have BepInEx, or grab the zip that packages them both if not

[lime plaza]

The zip for standalone has BepInEx.cfg

[wicked wyvern]

oh sorry, didn't notice that

I'd say it probably sets logs to be more verbose by default to help figure out people's bugs?

but idk

[sacred jasper]

it sets hide and save on manager to true

which is necessary

[wicked wyvern]

thanks for the clarification

[sacred jasper]

@lime plaza

[lime plaza]

Is that just the 'HideManagerGameObject' setting?

[sacred jasper]

yes

[lime plaza]

Cool, I've updated my config, and now I have to selectively install files if I want to use the spacedock zip

[wicked wyvern]

I wouldn't even know what a compromise in this scenario would look like between making sure that everyone has that setting and allowing users to keep the rest of their own config

[lime plaza]

Isn't there a call in game to solve the issue the setting is fixing?

[sacred jasper]

hmm, maybe

[craggy musk]

ok @here ANYONE should I make a auto installer or not

[sacred jasper]

dont ping here for this

[craggy musk]

ok

well ill work on one rq

[wicked wyvern]

isn't there already one?

[craggy musk]

i dont think so

[wicked wyvern]

https://github.com/SpaceWarpDev/Space-Warp-Installer

[craggy musk]

didn't see that ok

nvm

[wicked wyvern]

#1082003765185495162 message here's the thread for it btw

[rich hornet]

@sacred jasper
Is there a way to toggle mods on/off in v0.4?

[sacred jasper]

unfortunately, not yet

i have an idea how to do that, but its weird

[rich hornet]

gotcha

[sacred jasper]

Make a feature request for it if you really want it

[lime plaza]

What is the 0.4 equivalent of MODS_FULL_PATH?

[little bay]

where did it refer to

[lime plaza]

Path to the mods folder

Need it for addressables

[little bay]

BepInEx.Paths.PluginsPath

oh to a specific mods folder

[lime plaza]

no

[little bay]

BaseSpaceWarpPlugin.PluginFolder

[lime plaza]

Is that a constant I can reference?

It might not need to be constant, needs to be static though

[little bay]

okay, which are you looking for

the plugins folder or the folder for a specific mod

[lime plaza]

I need what used to be {SpaceWarp.API.SpaceWarpManager.MODS_FULL_PATH}/<mod-id>/addressables/StandaloneWindows64

[little bay]

Path.Combine(PluginFolder, "addressables", "StandaloneWindows64")

PluginFolder is not static

[lime plaza]

Dunno if I can do that

[little bay]

it's a property on BaseSpaceWarpPlugin

where is this method

[lime plaza]

Its a setting in the addressable build

[little bay]

you can't know where the mods folder is at compile time

it can be anywhere

[lime plaza]

Hence why I previously used MODS_FULL_PATH

[little bay]

yes, I'm saying that can't exist at compile time

[lime plaza]

Doesn't need to exist at compile time

[little bay]

because that depends on where it is at runtime

[lime plaza]

Needs to be static and exist at runtime

[little bay]

I thought you said it was a setting on the build

[lime plaza]

Yes

But the path isn't interpreted until runtime

[little bay]

the best you can do is {BepInEx.Paths.PluginsPath}/<mod-id>/addressables/WindowsStandalone64

[lime plaza]

public static string Path { get; private set; }

public CustomFlagsMod()
{
  Path = PluginFolderPath;
}

this work?

[little bay]

what

you can't do that in the constructor, no

you'd have to do that in OnPreinitialized

[lime plaza]

Pre-init is before addressables loading right?

[little bay]

yes

but it's after that folder property is set

[lime plaza]

Found Space Warp plugin Space Warp without a swinfo.json next to it. This mod will not be initialized.

[lime plaza]

Any way we can make addressables load earlier?

[sacred jasper]

Why?

[lime plaza]

I'm patching LocalizationManager.RegisterSourceInResources to load LanguageSourceAssets labeled "language_source" but modded assets do not load in time

I could always do some jank when addressables are done loading I guess

[little bay]

I mean

there's no reason we couldn't load them immediately after preinit I guess?

[wicked wyvern]

I've noticed that if you set a property incorrectly or leave it out of swinfo.json, the whole Mods menu gets bugged when you click on the mod

maybe it could check for its validity before and not load the mod in that case?

[lime plaza]

I just moved my stuff to right before init

Which base branch should I be using for my prs?

[wicked wyvern]

I figured this out after trying to set

...,
"dependencies": [
  {
    "id":  "SpaceWarp",
    "version": "0.4.0"
  }
], ...

Which technically should be correct, right? From looking into ModInfo and DependencyInfo classes

oh yeah no, nvm, I didn't notice that version needs to be min + max

[timber cedar]

yeah

if specific version than min = max

[silk wigeon]

<@&1078770539688112168> <@&1079271050644303922> so basically, this guy (who is an admin at CF i checked their profile) is asking if they want Spacewarp-CF Mod Loader integration

yall can discuss

for reference, this is the CF Mod Loader

[little bay]

Space Warm

[silk wigeon]

yes its very funny

if yall want

[wicked wyvern]

💀

[silk wigeon]

i can invite him to the dc

[wicked wyvern]

Space Cold when

[little bay]

anyway, I feel like this has pretty much already been answered with #1080296644475629589

tl;dr being: no, we're sticking with SpaceDock and CKAN

[wicked wyvern]

well it is a different platform, but I still strongly suspect that the answer would be the same

[little bay]

it's kinda the same pitch

[timber cedar]

if curseforge starts being used then they will have to use bepinex, in which they use spacewarp, in which they download mods

[silk wigeon]

alright but

cf is like ckan but like

not only ksp 1

[little bay]

thunderstore is like ckan but like

[silk wigeon]

it has pros and cons

[little bay]

not only ksp1

:p

[silk wigeon]

like them being owned by amazon

[little bay]

we're smaller, yes

but we're also open source

[silk wigeon]

and not being developed by a team of like

20

[wicked wyvern]

one issue I could see is that CurseForge seems to pay mod authors

[timber cedar]

fr should pay space warp authors

[wicked wyvern]

I don't think that would fly well

[little bay]

going from thunderstore to CF would get an even worse reaction, I feel

since all the same negatives and more apply

[wicked wyvern]

I agree

[silk wigeon]

well i mean

its not strict

it could be all of them

[wicked wyvern]

it also depends on how benevolent PD is

[little bay]

I mean, if you guys think it's better I'm in no place to choose for you

I'm just saying

[wicked wyvern]

since if they wanted to, they could technically take down all mods right now

according to the EULA

[little bay]

we offered the same

[sacred jasper]

Hmm, I don't really know how I feel about CF

[little bay]

and got turned down fairly hard

[silk wigeon]

personally, i like manual modding without something like ckan

at least for ksp modding

[little bay]

so I don't think CF will fare better

[wicked wyvern]

honestly I feel like it might not be a bad question to pose to someone like Dakota on the forums/here

[silk wigeon]

and also i fucking hate using ckan

[little bay]

you seem to be in the minority there

[wicked wyvern]

leave CKAN alone 🥲

poor it

[silk wigeon]

and i doubt ckan will update to ksp 2 within the year

[timber cedar]

^

[wicked wyvern]

it's literally all ready for it

[silk wigeon]

we are getting an offer for a partnership right now

[wicked wyvern]

all they need to do is merge the PRs into the main codebase

[wicked wyvern]

.

[silk wigeon]

i think its a good idea

[little bay]

an offer that has been made before (like a few days ago), and turned down

I'm not sure much has changed

[silk wigeon]

i inved the person who dm'ed me on CF to here

[wicked wyvern]

I guess Max likes Bezos better than you

[silk wigeon]

when they join, yall can talk to them

[little bay]

I am sobbing

[silk wigeon]

nah bezos is a cuntass

[little bay]

if you're going to be considering other platforms again, just don't leave thunderstore out of it :p

[silk wigeon]

aight but it can be on cf and ts

[sacred jasper]

I feel like, from my perspective the reaction will be worse than thunderstore for CF

[little bay]

this is a terrible idea

it kills communities

[wicked wyvern]

I still feel like this is a bad idea to be making decisions about without the official support of the game publisher

[little bay]

either one of them dies or users have a terrible time

[wicked wyvern]

especially when they very kindly allow us to make mods when they don't have to

[little bay]

for example, Valheim is split between TS and Nexus

modding it is a pain in the ass because of it

most mods are on both (I think? I haven't looked into it, not like I could use Nexus's API to do so anyway, since their API isn't free)

some are not

[wicked wyvern]

it's already painful enough with KSP 1 where some mods are on forums/GitHub only, some are on SpaceDock only, etc

I can't imagine more fragmentation being a good thing

because I guarantee there will be a lot of modders who won't want their mods on CF/TS

and for those who would, it's already painful enough to have to push stuff to GitHub, create a GitHub release, create/update SpaceDock page, and post on forums

especially if you want some reasonable formatting, screenshots, etc, it takes a shit ton of time

[silk wigeon]

oh for a little more proof that they are real:

in the cf discord

[wicked wyvern]

my point is in short: I don't see any advantages to this

[little bay]

yeah I've talked to them before

they're real

don't remember where though

[silk wigeon]

honestly its up to yall

all i do is manage the cf page

[timber cedar]

fr i just manage docs and shit
although i would say no

[storm quail]

Where was

SpaceWarp.API.UI.Skins.ConsoleSkin

moved to?

I saw someone using it but cant find it now

[little bay]

it's there in the latest commit

[storm quail]

OH WAIT

Im dumb

lmao

[timber cedar]

:P

[storm quail]

I forgot to get the new spacewarp dll for my IDE

lmao

[timber cedar]

public static class Skins
{
    public static GUISkin ConsoleSkin => SpaceWarpManager.Skin;
}

[wicked wyvern]

I made a SpaceWarp project template for myself because I was tired of doing the same steps when creating new projects, and thought it might be useful for others as well

https://github.com/jan-bures/SpaceWarp.Template

it works as a Visual Studio template or can be used with the .NET CLI

Full documentation is on GitHub

it could also potentially be uploaded to NuGet for ease of access

It probably isn't a one-size-fits-all solution, since it follows how I structure my projects and builds, but it can definitely help if someone needs a quick start, especially since now the python project generator is gone

[sacred jasper]

Gonna put this in useful resources

[silk wigeon]

@sacred jasper
The cf admin is here

@spare nymph

[spare nymph]

hey

Just posting my msg again from the general page :
Hey everyone nice to meet you. I'm from CurseForge. We're looking to ramp up support for the game especially with proper mod loader support on our client.
Would love to hear the community approach at this time, I know there are a few options as always. Also open to maybe work with SpaceWarp to help make sure the client support is up to par.

[timber cedar]

👋

ive been studying for exam tomorrow all week so i wont be available, but u guys discuss.

[wicked wyvern]

I'd suggest making a thread for this discussion just like the last similar offer: https://discord.com/channels/1078696971088433153/1080296644475629589

Also, another suggestion - since the discussion here will be with mostly modders, you might as well try to gauge the interest of users on the forums, since that's the platform most players probably use: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/forum/129-ksp2-mod-discussions/ (for example, see similar discussion here: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/214563-how-would-modders-feel-about-posting-to-nexus-mods/)

[spare nymph]

thanks, will take a look at those

don't know if I'm allowed to open threads here?

or staff onlly

[wicked wyvern]

I don't think it's staff only, I can do it too

[static mural]

Hi, me here, I'm making a launcher that's better than what CF will do

[lime plaza]

CKAN?

[mossy kraken]

LOL

[timber cedar]

fr

[static mural]

Wormhole

O yeah @timber cedar can I have maintainer on the official repo so I can commit directly

[timber cedar]

@static mural like i said before i can’t give that

like literally

ask cheese

you have my approval :D

[mossy kraken]

But even if u get invited into the organization. Do not push directly to major branches. Always make a PR.

[timber cedar]

^

[lime plaza]

Why not CKAN?

[wicked wyvern]

because it's not a launcher I assume

[inland lichen]

launchers are overrated

also, it kinda is?

[lime plaza]

Click button, game open

[inland lichen]

you can't change game settings in it, but it has a "launch KSP" button

[wicked wyvern]

I mean you can launch the game from it I guess but it's very far from being its main purpose

[inland lichen]

that just triggers the game .exe directly

[static mural]

CKAN is great but in my opinion the UI is a bit ugly, and I think it deserves more love and work. Wormhole is going to kinda be a successor to CKAN in a way. I plan to implement the CKAN querying API.

[late condor]

Why not just fork ckan and rebuild the ui

You'll get more community support that way

[static mural]

Bc SpaceWarp already had one made with tauri and it's easier for me to use rust and typescript than c#

[wicked wyvern]

you could even just make a frontend app that runs ckan.exe in cli mode as backend

with some combination of API

[wicked wyvern]

there seems to be a trend of some people who had used SpaceWarp 0.1, deleted it, verified game files, some even reinstalled the game and deleted the user data, and SpaceWarp 0.4 is still broken for them

in one case I verified that BIE-only mods were loading fine

and another had the apparently the weirdest thing happen - 0.3 mods (with modinfo.json and bin folder) loaded when put into BepInEx/plugin, while the 0.4 mods didn't

in both cases BIE was loading SW 0.4 fine

and it's 3 in just one evening who had (most of) this happen

I couldn't be more confused by what's happening here

[timber cedar]

idk? never heard a vaguer problem

if you reinstalled the game

then that’s not a space warp issue

i would like to point out that verifying the game does not delete sw

[rocky pollen]

Hey, is there still a need for a class with [ModConfig] anotation, I use the new dll of spacewarp and "SpaceWarp.API.Configuration" cannot be found, nor "ModConfig" ?

[sacred jasper]

No, as we are using bepinex's config system

[rocky pollen]

Ok, thanks.

[sacred jasper]

Bruh

I'm gonna say thats gonna go over as well as a plane experiencing decompression and wings falling off at 40000 feet

[wicked wyvern]

omg every mod site jumping on SpaceWarp train lol

https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/214563-how-would-modders-feel-about-posting-to-nexus-mods/

they are the person who made that thread

they seriously can't read the room lol

pretty much every response is very negative

[late condor]

The fact that someone said nexus is nice to navigate bothers me on a deep foundational level

I mean, I'm a child of the 80sz the internet i grew up with were single page crimes against humanity with blinking Marque text

And I would rather go back to the 90s than surf nexus

[wicked wyvern]

let's distribute mods on floppy disks

[silk wigeon]

Anyone can open threads

[gilded kettle]

has anyone been able to add new parts on SpaceWarp 0.4? the bundle gets loaded but the part isnt in the parts manager....

[silk wigeon]

@sacred jasper

Oh btw

Mod support forum would be better for that question

[gilded kettle]

well idk since there aren't any mods that add parts yet

at least not released...

also cheese redirected me to @lime plaza

apparently he knows more about the parts managment of spacewarp

[silk wigeon]

Ah well idk how to help ye

[gilded kettle]

im glad you tried tho! <3 thx

[silk wigeon]

All i can think of is make sure none of the code is fucked up and you have your mod in the right folder

[gilded kettle]

well, i can show u that just to be sure, but it really is just the base dll, a bundle and an image

structure

[late condor]

0 bytes is a little sus

[gilded kettle]

swinfo

yeah idk why it shows 0bytes

on windows explorer it shows 1kb

[wicked wyvern]

KSP2 version should start at 0.1.0

0.4.0 won't be for a while

[lime plaza]

You need an addressable, not a bundle

[gilded kettle]

oh lmao i put the spacewarp version

[gilded kettle]

tried that with no luck... the addressable gets loaded but the part still doesnt appear on VAB

will try again tho

[lime plaza]

You labelled the part json file?

[gilded kettle]

yup, i'll show my setup just a sec

[lime plaza]

name of prefab is wrong

[gilded kettle]

huh what should it be?

[lime plaza]

it should be just gridfin_S.prefab

[late condor]

Why?

[wicked wyvern]

and btw dependencies is in this format:

"dependencies": [
    {
      "id":  "SpaceWarp",
      "version": {
        "min": "0.4.0",
        "max": "*"
      }
    }
  ]

but it's not important, since it's only used to display in-game, doesn't do any checking for now afaik (BepInEx does that based on its attribute on your class)

[lime plaza]

because that is what the game looks for

[gilded kettle]

keep the json as is? with the path?

[lime plaza]

json just needs the label

[late condor]

So you mean for an override right?

What about when you wana make a new part entirely, or is that not known yet?

[gilded kettle]

now just build and add all of the built files into mod_id/addressables right?

[lime plaza]

It uses the part name from the parts_data json, and looks for a prefab with that name

[lime plaza]

Tutorial is slightly out of date, load path needs fixed

[late condor]

I definitely need to do some auto config for this stuff

Streamline that part creation process

[lime plaza]

I was hoping someone would

I don't know enough about unity to do it

[late condor]

I gotta lot of stuff I wana do around it

[late condor]

Best thing you can do is digest the information down into a way I can build a process out of it

Enabling content creators is what I do

[gilded kettle]

hmm, ok so built it, added do adressables and still nothing... also

[Info   :Space Warp] Attempting to load D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Kerbal Space Program 2\BepInEx\plugins\SOCK\addressables\catalog.json
[Info   :Space Warp] Loaded addressables catalog D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Kerbal Space Program 2\BepInEx\plugins\SOCK\addressables\catalog.json
[Info   :Space Warp] D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Kerbal Space Program 2\BepInEx\plugins\SOCK\addressables\catalog.json ----- D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Kerbal Space Program 2\BepInEx\plugins\SOCK\addressables\catalog.json
[System] Loading addressables for Spaceplace Orbital Corporation (Kerbalized) completed in 0,0100s.
[Info   :Asset Loader] Did not load asset bundles for Spaceplace Orbital Corporation (Kerbalized) as no asset bundles folder existed!

[lime plaza]

Add

public static string Path { get; private set; }

public override void OnPreInitialized()
{
    Path = PluginFolderPath;
}

to your mod class, then your load path is
{Modnamespace.ModClass.Path}/addressables/StandaloneWindows64

[gilded kettle]

hmm
Failed to read data for the AssetBundle 'SOCK.SOCKPlugin.Path\addressables\StandaloneWindows64\defaultlocalgroup_unitybuiltinshaders_637c83d3b41e176e37ad2a752708b847.bundle'.

it doesnt seem to convert the reference to its value....

Unable to open archive file: SOCK.SOCKPlugin.Path/addressables/StandaloneWindows64/defaultlocalgroup_unitybuiltinshaders_637c83d3b41e176e37ad2a752708b847.bundle
Unable to open archive file: SOCK.SOCKPlugin.Path/addressables/StandaloneWindows64/defaultlocalgroup_assets_all_0730bfdf20a4b93a94e4b2f49e6f2b6e.bundle

[lime plaza]

That happens when it can't find the variable

Dunno why it can't tho

[gilded kettle]

trying to rebuilding seems to fix it... no errors now but still no part

    "partName": "gridfin_S",
    "author": "Paul Z Kerman",
    "category": "Aero",
    "family": "0400-Control Surface",

json was copied from control surface light, just removed the procedural part thing

[lime plaza]

You put that into CorePartData as well?

[gilded kettle]

yup, but idk if its 100% equal

family not set ie, is that enough for it to not load?

[lime plaza]

Try setting the family

[gilded kettle]

ok, also, modules order is not the same, is that a problem?

[lime plaza]

Dunno

[gilded kettle]

did my best to make the json and the prefab equal... no luck...

it was missing attachNode and it had a couple mismatched in mass and drag, all that is equal now

[Info   :Addressables Loader] Loading addressables for Spaceplace Orbital Corporation (Kerbalized)
[Info   :Addressables Loader] Found addressables for Spaceplace Orbital Corporation (Kerbalized)
[Info   :Space Warp] Attempting to load D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Kerbal Space Program 2\BepInEx\plugins\SOCK\addressables\catalog.json
[Info   :Space Warp] Loaded addressables catalog D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Kerbal Space Program 2\BepInEx\plugins\SOCK\addressables\catalog.json
[Info   :Space Warp] D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Kerbal Space Program 2\BepInEx\plugins\SOCK\addressables\catalog.json ----- D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Kerbal Space Program 2\BepInEx\plugins\SOCK\addressables\catalog.json
[System] Loading addressables for Spaceplace Orbital Corporation (Kerbalized) completed in 0,0105s.
[Info   :Asset Loader] Did not load asset bundles for Spaceplace Orbital Corporation (Kerbalized) as no asset bundles folder existed!

logs just in case

[lime plaza]

Dunno tbh

[gilded kettle]

has anyone been able to do it on 0.4.0?, from what i see Sticks Armory is on 0.3.0 at least from mod structure

[lime plaza]

I can load parts in 0.4

[gilded kettle]

can you share your addressables/mod to see if i can load them too?

[lime plaza]

Addressable here, loads from {SOCK.SOCKPlugin.PATH}/addressables

[gilded kettle]

what part am i looking for?

[lime plaza]

medium square truss

There should be two

One of them will either be named [TBD] or Custom Truss

The icons are identical

[gilded kettle]

yup there she is.... wierd... probably something to do with my addressables config then

well tried updating addressables to the last version, no luck too,

[sacred jasper]

whats your load path?>

[gilded kettle]

instresting, so the problem is with the part that im trying to add, probably it has some critical mismatches
I ripped the truss that you sent me and it addressed well, but the gridfin didnt

currently {SOCK.SOCKPlugin.Path}/addressables/StandaloneWindows64

[sacred jasper]

and the mod?

wait

wait

[sacred jasper]

Wait nvm, I thought the standalonewin64 was wrong, mb

[gilded kettle]

ripped and readressed

yeah, i did misspelled it a couple of times before tho :P

[sacred jasper]

whats your mod class look like?

[gilded kettle]

hope that its readable

basically the default class from the mod csproj creator

[sacred jasper]

hmm

[gilded kettle]

with the path added

but i think that its the part problem, since the truss loaded correctly but my part didnt.......

so the mod configuration must be correct, the part probably not

i thnk a prefab to json converter would be helpful, to avoid mismatches

i'll try with a couple other parts that i plan to add

[gilded kettle]

i rather code every mod myself than use nexus

inb4 someone actually does that just like those "so i made minecraft in a week" videos

[timber cedar]

^

fr

thats what wormhole is

but instead of a week

its like

4 years

@topaz jetty is the current spacewarp-ui repo up to date?

[topaz jetty]

I don't believe so

Think my console stuff was the last commit

[timber cedar]

ye, could you update it?

or is there some way of reverting the .bundle

i want to add the borders

[timber cedar]

border

if you push i can update the current one

test a proof of concept

[sacred jasper]

It should be up to date @timber cedar

Ive been updating it

[timber cedar]

it says last update was last week?

is the x button in the top right corner part of the ui?

[sacred jasper]

Thats the last time I worked on the ui

[timber cedar]

ah

[timber cedar]

because its not in the repo

[sacred jasper]

And the x button is genned programatically

[timber cedar]

k

hm ok then cool

ill finish this up and pr

just want to make sure im not modifying something else

[sacred jasper]

Im currently on spring break which is why im not doing much btw

[timber cedar]

damn you have it so early

mine starts in a month

@sacred jasper

more border?
less border?

i should round it

[sacred jasper]

Less border, round it

[timber cedar]

less???

its already 5 pixels

rounded

how do i compile to .bundle

nvm

@sacred jasper
do i run Build AssetBundle on the swconsoleui folder, the GUI file, or what?

i tried to compile the folder, and it wouldnt load

[sacred jasper]

Use the editor

There should be a button in the assets menu of the editor

Make sure you added the asset to the bundle as well

[timber cedar]

soo, which files?

do i just press the button?

i think im being dumb

plz hlep

ah

how to compile

js i am renaming to .bundle

[gilded kettle]

maybe try the Thunderkit bundle? its pretty easy to use

[timber cedar]

does it have the same product?

[lime plaza]

Addressables are easier to build

[late condor]

For regular asset bundles yes, but there's no tooling for building addressable bundles in tk yet

And when/if I make tooling, it will likely just use the addressables system

[timber cedar]

yeah but i was just wondering how you guys made the swconsoleui.bundle in the first place

because when i try to compile it, sw doesnt recognize it

[late condor]

I think the file name had to match an internal name so you can't rename it?

I'm not positive on that one

[lime plaza]

Regular addressables build just fine

[timber cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892210874163535943/1083613545310195772/image.png

im only a sw dev, so maybe im wrong

is spacewarp ckan?

[little bay]

they have a fundamental misunderstanding of what ckan does

[timber cedar]

i must agree with you

[little bay]

however

that really shouldn't say "A KSP Modloader" anymore

(it should've said "KSP2" in the first place, but its not a modloader anymore)

[timber cedar]

that has been bugging me

[gilded kettle]

i just find the 2 bundles thing a bit uncessessary?? thunderkit leaves it nice and neat with only 1 bundle and with the name that you want

im thinking, wouldnt a prefab to json be as easy as using reflection to get all public properties of the modules and writing them to a json?
or am i missing something here?

because the properties name seems to be the same, and all values seem to be in either strings, bools or floats... maybe ksp wouldn't read them correctly tho... hmmmm

[late condor]

I just meant that thunderkit doesn't provide anything for it

[gilded kettle]

true, only reason that im now using the addressables package instead of thunderkit, thunderkit is way easier and mroe intuitive tho

@sacred jasper ??? Model is not the problem, just frankensteined it from the gridfin prefab to the dockingPort/shroud prefab and it loaded fine....... must have to do with modules/values in the modules.....

its more fitting to talk about it here since its a spacewarp thing

[sacred jasper]

Odd

[gilded kettle]

narrowed it down to 2 possibilities
Category and family were wrong somehow
Or, the one that i'm more optimistic about
The path/adressable name can't have spaces in it...

got it to load after changing those 2 things... gonna test which one it is

also changed version from 0.1 to 0.3 but i dont think that should affect it at all

im going insane... i think its the version

@sacred jasper version............. this little shit can't be changed... thought that they used to mark versioning of the part but ig not?

[sacred jasper]

btuh

bruh

[late condor]

Perhaps its an api version of some kind

[sacred jasper]

likely actually

[lime plaza]

@late condor It’s the version of the JSON schema

[late condor]

Ah yep that makes sense

[gilded kettle]

i'm curious, if i dont set a property on the json, will it be invalid/corrupted when loaded? or will it assume the default value?

[lime plaza]

Thats a good question

[gilded kettle]

apart from indetifier properties like partName etc, cuz the json seems to have way too much info

i'll try it...

It does, now idk if the part works correctly... removed this and it loaded, tried removing family and category first but it didnt load...

[storm quail]

Awesome

whats the problem?

[wicked wyvern]

https://discordapp.com/channels/1078696971088433153/1079531175380521043/1083761109313523722

[gilded kettle]

has anyone sucessfully created an control surface part? or will i have to pioneer this too 😭

the module adds well, but no movement on the part, even if i press "deploy"

[gilded kettle]

the fact that currently all control surfaces are proceduraly generated doesnt help at all ngl

[gilded kettle]

another addition to json/module knowledge
Control Surfaces:

• "CtrlSurfacePivotTransformName": "pivotEmpty"

This field, even tho its on json, its read from the prefab module config

btw is there anywhere where i can document this findings? so that new modders don't have to go through this?

i mean in spacewarp doc or similar

[sacred jasper]

make a pr for the sw docs repo?

[timber cedar]

do that ^

make sure to select the en branch

[mossy kraken]

Can anyone tell me what the f this issue is about? 😅|
https://github.com/SpaceWarpDev/SpaceWarp/issues/162

I have read this so many times now and I still don't know what its about

[wicked wyvern]

Wow, same

[timber cedar]

its a troll

[wicked wyvern]

I feel like I'm having a stroke reading it

[timber cedar]

troll

[mossy kraken]

I don't get the joke 😅

[timber cedar]

idfk

you can close it

[mossy kraken]

I closed it and said "Ur banned @ftilly"

[timber cedar]

gud

[wicked wyvern]

Btw since I'm already here, has anyone here used the localization API yet? I've tried putting together a .csv and put it into the mod/localizations folder

and it seems to have loaded in-game but with 0 terms

[mossy kraken]

Nope not yet

[wicked wyvern]

any idea on the format?

I've found the docs here: http://inter-illusion.com/assets/I2LocalizationManual/Features.html

but they're not very specific about it

[timber cedar]

yeah

uh

i didnt work on that

hm

[wicked wyvern]

(oh and btw in the SpaceWarp README it says "localization" folder but in code it's in plural)

[timber cedar]

lol

the main logo says ksp instead of ksp2

so i think we're fine

[wicked wyvern]

I mean, it's kinda important, since if people put their files into the localization folder as instructed, it won't load

(that is if we manage to figure out the format lol)

[timber cedar]

lol

i genuinly know nothing about the locales

[wicked wyvern]

Np, I'll try to figure it out and if I do, I'll post it somewhere here

[timber cedar]

alr

[mossy kraken]

If we can resolve the the remaining issues in the issue tracker we should be on good pace to release v1.0.0
It is not that much left https://github.com/SpaceWarpDev/SpaceWarp/issues

[sacred jasper]

True that

[timber cedar]

i have no clue how to do the click through blocker

litearlly

the dumbest thing ever created

[mossy kraken]

We don't have to solve it right now, if it to messed up just ignore it for now

[timber cedar]

yeah

i did the ui border, and i asked sh box about it
and we found the error

basiclly the build assets builds it to a "path" of Assets/swconsoleui

and sw tries to access it at spacewarp/swconsoleui

[sacred jasper]

wrong

no thats correct

misread

[timber cedar]

nah i showed my "fix" ss

[sacred jasper]

wait, no that is incorrect

[timber cedar]

doesnt work

[sacred jasper]

We remove the Assets/

[timber cedar]

how

plz tell

[sacred jasper]

basically, when registering it in the asset manager we remove the first parts of Assets/swconsoleUI in the name, and register it at spacewarp/swconsoleui/...

So we know that the assets part of the path exists, but remove it

[timber cedar]

ok, well its not working so how

oh

wait

do you want me to place the swconsoleui into a folder called spacewarp

[sacred jasper]

no

[timber cedar]

ok.

how do i build it then ;-;

[sacred jasper]

everything should be working

whats the issue?

[timber cedar]

one sec

[wicked wyvern]

sorry for the off-topic, but I just got the localization working

[timber cedar]

nice^

i rename it to .bundle

[mossy kraken]

WOO! 🥳🥳

[timber cedar]

correct?

[sacred jasper]

Yes

currect

[timber cedar]

ok

[sacred jasper]

where do you put the bundle?

[timber cedar]

in here

[sacred jasper]

Alright

[timber cedar]

ok

[sacred jasper]

And whats going wrong

[timber cedar]

[ERR 04:48:56.738] Unable to read header from archive file: C:/Program Files (x86)/Steam/steamapps/common/Kerbal Space Program 2/BepInEx/plugins/SpaceWarp/assets/bundles/swconsoleui.bundle

[ERR 04:48:56.739] Failed to read data for the AssetBundle 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Kerbal Space Program 2\BepInEx\plugins\SpaceWarp\assets\bundles\swconsoleui.bundle'.

[sacred jasper]

The bundles built incorrectly I presume

[timber cedar]

how to build then xdd

[sacred jasper]

Its nothing wrong with space warps loading

[sacred jasper]

Also why the fuck is there a
/UI/AssetBundles/toggle_normal.png path?

[mossy kraken]

Looks indeed like the bundle is messed up in some way

[timber cedar]

some jackass seperated the image

its in the repo

[sacred jasper]

then undo it?

[timber cedar]

yeah sure

[sacred jasper]

Everything should be under swconsoleui/...

[timber cedar]

there are two toggle_normal

[sacred jasper]

remove one

[timber cedar]

ah

idk whats using it in the guiskin

one sec

[sacred jasper]

remove the one in the weird path

[timber cedar]

ok fixed

ill build

[wicked wyvern]

This is my example .csv:

Key,Type,Desc,English[en]
KerbonautManager/NotificationEvent/KerbalAlreadyExists,Text,,Kerbal with this name already exists

Key is anything you want to refer to your term in code, Type is probably always going to be "Text" when using the .csv but there are many other types like Sprite etc., Desc or Description I don't think does anything other than info for translators, and the columns after that need to be in the format Language[LanguageCode] and contain the translated terms

[timber cedar]

locale sprites when

french kerbals

[wicked wyvern]

pretty much any type of asset can be localized using the library it seems, although for the other types you'd need to build a bundle instead of importing from .csv

[timber cedar]

Assets:
- Assets/swconsoleUI/borderRadiusDark.png
- Assets/swconsoleUI/GNUUnifont9FullHintInstrUCSUR.ttf
- Assets/swconsoleUI/bgDark.png
- Assets/swconsoleUI/bgLight.png
- Assets/swconsoleUI/borderRadiusLight.png
- Assets/swconsoleUI/toggle_hover.png
- Assets/swconsoleUI/toggle_on_active.png
- Assets/swconsoleUI/toggle_active.png
- Assets/swconsoleUI/genNormal.png
- Assets/swconsoleUI/spacewarpConsole.guiskin
- Assets/swconsoleUI/toggle_on_hover.png
- Assets/swconsoleUI/genActive.png
- Assets/swconsoleUI/toggle_on_normal.png
- Assets/swconsoleUI/toggle_normal.png

built

renamed

same exact error

[sacred jasper]

wait, what are you putting as the bundle file?

what are you renaming to .bundle

[timber cedar]

this one

[sacred jasper]

okay, thats correct

I have no clue whats going wrong

I am tired though, so I'll look at this tomorrow

[timber cedar]

sure sure

what is trial moderator

:O

[wicked wyvern]

if I do well within the next week, I'll be a mod, if not, I'll be sacrificed to the kraken 😛

[timber cedar]

do well...

yes

do not fail your masters

[mossy kraken]

[timber cedar]

nice emote

dev < contributor

[sacred jasper]

Thats odd

[mossy kraken]

LUL

[timber cedar]

😢 im sorry i didnt build bundle

dont demote me

[sacred jasper]

fixed

[timber cedar]

wooowwww

[mossy kraken]

Nice

[timber cedar]

i feel happier in life now

[mossy kraken]

I feel cooler 😎

[timber cedar]

so many bitches in my dms

[wicked wyvern]

Eh, I'm still the coolest, the only pink name in the whole server

[timber cedar]

fr ^

what do mods do

do i have to talk to people

[mossy kraken]

U just ban em

[wicked wyvern]

ban you if you're naughty

[mossy kraken]

Let the ban hammer do the talking

[timber cedar]

i think i would make a great mod

[mossy kraken]

I am off to bed 😴
cya tomorrow

[timber cedar]

cya

[little bay]

I'm simply cooler than you

[timber cedar]

^^

thunderstore is kinda pog

[mossy kraken]

I setup a python script that gets all the SpaceWarp downloads from both Space Warp and Space Warp + BepInEx from SpaceDock and our Github releases and sort and groups em by version so we can keep track of the total downloads for the project and what version most people are on. Here are the results.

We could have the script run every hour or so and create new images of the graph that can be used in a README file to display stats

[wicked wyvern]

oh that's nice, I expected 0.4 to have a lot smaller share

good to see people are updating

[mossy kraken]

So for this data I did not bother to include CurseForge for now as the total downloads there is only 300.

[inland lichen]

+1 more person having the "mods won't load" issue with sw0.4.0 over on the IG server. 🫤

[wicked wyvern]

did they try the "delete game folder completely and reinstall game" thing?

(also, I've seen people who just download the SpaceWarp 0.4 zip without BepInEx, and assume it's fine because it has the BepInEx folder, too)

[inland lichen]

3 times, supposedly

[wicked wyvern]

I assume that isn't the case here?

but honestly it seems to be confusing people, having 2 different downloads where one is complete and the other requires you to install something else

at least from what I've seen

[inland lichen]

I checked on spacewarp-release-0.4.0+bepinex.zip and they said yes, that's what they're using

[mossy kraken]

People need to remember that we are no longer a mod loader and Space Warp itself is just another plugin.
All the cases I have looked into is all user error where the user either has

• Download the wrong versions of mods and tired running it on 0.4.0
• Download an earlier version of Space Warp and tired run 0.4.0 mods on it.
• Forgot to download BepInEx
• Still uses the old folder structure
• Fucked up their KSP2 folder in some weird way

[wicked wyvern]

I'd like to add that the last point usually leads to having had SpaceWarp 0.1 installed

[mossy kraken]

^

[wicked wyvern]

but from what Silvia is describing, it's difficult to judge what could be going wrong, if they deleted and reinstalled the game, that should take care of the last point, they seem to be downloading the correct version of SpaceWarp, and BepInEx is included in that zip

so my best guess would be wrong mod versions

[mossy kraken]

How to fix:

• NUKE the entire KSP2 folder 📂💥
• Reinstall the game
• Install only the spacewarp-release-0.4.0+bepinex.zip
• Launch the game and see if it works

If it does not work after this. We are going to need the logs or something

[inland lichen]

start of my conversation with them, if anyone wants to double-check me:
#1078697132875317358 message

[wicked wyvern]

"im on this server, an guy tried to help me, but it didn't worked" heh yeah that was me I remember them

To be fair I don't think I've heard back from anyone who was recommended to delete the whole game folder and reinstall on whether it worked or not

So I just kinda assumed that it did, or they would mention it

[inland lichen]

I've had that work for one person I was helping

haven't heard yea or nay from anyone else, as best I can remember

[wicked wyvern]

yeah, so it leads me to believe that this person is just not following one of the steps correctly somehow

[sacred jasper]

its worked for at least 2 other people who've asked

[mossy kraken]

I think they just drop their 8 mods back into the plugin folder and 1 of the mods is either broken, incompatible or has the wrong version

[sacred jasper]

Honestly, this issue should resolve itself at the next update if anything lol, if they at least remove spacewarp.dll from the managed directory

[sacred jasper]

that shouldn't kill all the mods though

[mossy kraken]

Idk, It potentially could, its hard to say

[wicked wyvern]

Steam seems to suck at removing extra files honestly

[sacred jasper]

we have failsafes if a mod has a bad swinfo

or no swinfo

plus bepinex should still notify that they are being loaded

[mossy kraken]

We should provide our own KSP2 Folder nuker 💥

[wicked wyvern]

Alright, issue fixed

[wicked wyvern]

Honestly might not be a bad idea

it seems to be the root of most issues here

[inland lichen]

It doesn't bother. It never has. It just removes the files that it knows it added.

[wicked wyvern]

In this instance I wish it did, since we could just tell people to verify the game files in it

[mossy kraken]

That would solve a lot

[wicked wyvern]

It would also kinda make sense, added .dlls and other stuff can mess up the game

so why not delete it when you're trying to make the game work 🤦‍♂️

[mossy kraken]

If we look at the graphs in #🔴mod-dev not to many people should be having the issue as there was not that many downloads on the earlier versions.
They should all be on 0.4.0+ and it should be easier and less reports about this

[wicked wyvern]

I guess it's for cases like when save files/screenshots/other user data is stored in the game folder

[inland lichen]

it'd be nice if it'd at least ask.

Delete?  Y/n```

[wicked wyvern]

Not that again https://discordapp.com/channels/1078696971088433153/1079287434904346624/1084687941495947316 💀

[mossy kraken]

Yeah, again 😓 and I still don't get it

I locked the issue thread

[timber cedar]

could you give me the script? ill setup an api to do that

[mossy kraken]

Its on our github
https://github.com/SpaceWarpDev/SpaceWarpDownloads/blob/main/downloads.py

[timber cedar]

:O

[mossy kraken]

It needs an Github API token to run as parameter

[timber cedar]

:D dw

[timber cedar]

    gh = github.Github(access_token)
AttributeError: module 'github' has no attribute 'Github'

@mossy kraken u sure this runs

oh

you're using pygithub

not github

ok it works

[mossy kraken]

Yeah, I had to change cause the flywheel thingy was broken for py 3.11 on windows 11 or something so
``pip install Github` crashed every time for me..

[timber cedar]

np

im chaning my nginx rn

almost done

[mossy kraken]

😄

[timber cedar]

i keep getting these dumbass permission error

ahhhh

@mossy kraken https://vortan.dev/spacewarp/statistic/out/bar_chart.png

very nice

no clue if the cron job is working

[mossy kraken]

Woo! NIcew

[timber cedar]

*/2 * * * * ~/miniconda3/bin/python var/www/sinon.us.to/html/spacewarp/statistic/stats.py

i have this

which is every 2 minutes

dunno how to check if tho

guess we wait

[mossy kraken]

Yeah 😄 Wait and see if someone downloads 😄

[timber cedar]

i downloaded

so it should be at least +1

[mossy kraken]

https://github.com/SpaceWarpDev/SpaceWarpDownloads/blob/main/README.md

[timber cedar]

ye

ok well its been at least 2 minutes

i think no update

im gonna run manually

and it works when i run manually

[mossy kraken]

ok

[timber cedar]

ok

chron job e

[mossy kraken]

images on github did not update :/ Might be cached?

[timber cedar]

idk ??

its 16,706 in the actual link

instead of 16,701

[mossy kraken]

Github generates this for
https://camo.githubusercontent.com/3dd23b2d71516df601540b7719990f705511f6898c48f473fb1cbf9217bfd47a/68747470733a2f2f766f7274616e2e6465762f7370616365776172702f7374617469737469632f6f75742f6261725f63686172742e706e67

camo.githubusercontent.com

[timber cedar]

16,706

tahts updated

[mossy kraken]

LUL

In my browser its not 🤔

[timber cedar]

then u have cache

[mossy kraken]

I tried clearing the cache, still there 🤔

Even tested another browser

still

[timber cedar]

huh

thats github

ye

idk

[mossy kraken]

Perhaps it updates after a while

[timber cedar]

i need to read some more on how to make "badges"

[mossy kraken]

We could try something like this?
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48402823/embed-openstreetmap-iframe-in-github-markdown