“Please disable @“ sticker

[hard solstice]

Recently, with !pingpref being disabled, it takes a bit longer for people to explain why people need to turn off reply pings for them. I think if we had a sticker for this, it would make it much easier for people to get the point across.

I think this sticker gets the point across clearly and consistent, while also not flooding chat like !pingpref did, which makes it a good stand in until a shorter/better version or implementation of it has been added to the server.

[formal sundial]

fish

[severe wolf]

Hi. We disabled the !pingpref command for a reason, which was we are trying to tone down the aggressive responses from ping preferences, which is not the point of our server. Our server is supposed to be a community for people to talk and express our pride about LGBTQIA+, not to debate with people about ping preferences, since to put it plainly, it isn't a good look.

So, we probably aren't gonna have more content which again would reinforce the above. You are free to block users who are against your personal ping preferences.

[hard solstice]

i mean I don’t personally see how a sticker asking someone to disable it can be aggressive /gen

its mostly for ease of use, since even if you don’t have it to try stop those interactions, they still happen

[severe wolf]

That's just not the look that we want the server to be represented by.

The overall culture of ping preferences is something that we have seen as a staff team has been overly aggressive. That is why we aren't promoting additional content related to respecting ping preferences, and while we don't support harassment of users that do not want to be pinged, we also are starting to cross a line that new users only exclusively think that the server is about complaining about reply pings.

[hard solstice]

that just feels like you’re pulling away an informational tool that actually helps users to clearly explain why they have specific ping preferences, which feels like you’re hurting the actual people that use ping preferences, especially the no reply ping users since now they have to try explain it which open up a discussion which makes it easier to actually start the arguments you’re trying to prevent

i get that the staff team wants to try avoid hostility, but i don’t see how an informational tool is causing more hostility than without it, causing people to explain and have more cause for error and argument

i get it if the language of the ping preference message has to be reworked to seem friendlier or more concise, but just outright removing these tools feels like one step forward, two steps back

[coarse walrus]

Hi

Gifted isn’t a representative of server suggestions and was just responding from the perspective of a member of the moderation team.

The pingpref command was disabled because, like Gifted hinted at, the main topic of the server started to orbit around who wants to be pinged and who doesn’t, and by having a server-integrated, large command that anyone can post in chat, while it may’ve helped explain, it was just mainly long and we didn’t see that many members were receptive to it.

We understand that there are concerns from members who fall on either side of this preference about this being gone and us providing no other built-in, (so-to-speak), way for a replacement to be offered by us. That sort of loops back to us not wanting the server to be about who’s getting pinged in replies and who isn’t; we believed after a long discussion on this topic in a Staff Meeting that it further contributed to it being relevant.

The sticker currently in the server was a Sticker Level Reward Request from a member who reached the achievement. We don’t typically add expressions (emotes, stickers, etc.) on-request or through server suggestions for quality, since we’d run out of slots very fast, and since it would devalue our Level Rewards and the system of leveling up in general. The flip side to this sticker is if we add this, we then have to add another one saying the opposite, which, again will fuel the ping war.

All staff have expressed they don’t want to see this topic persist in being a main topic in the server; It’s not supposed to be a topic or result in arguments really at all, and we believe that each individual user can voice to someone in a quick one-liner that they don’t want to be pinged or that they do, and a reason why if they’d like, sort of like how it is in other servers. I would say it’s unique for Pridecord to have “Reply Ping Preference Roles” anyway, since I don’t and haven’t normally see(n) that.

[hard solstice]

i don’t remember the chat topic ever revolving around ping preferences for more than a few minutes?

most of the time, when i see people tell others not to reply ping them, it usually gets resolved within one message. trying to avoid the topic doesn't work because people talk about it anyways. even when someone keeps reply pinging someone they’re almost always just some troll, not a “ping war”.

what you said about pridecord being unique in having ping preferences is a good thing. it shows that the server actually cares about the users, but then once you realise the server just leaves it up to the users to handle the rest themselves, it just feels like this feature is being half-assed.

why should you not provide users with the necessary tools to easily explain why they prefer not to have reply pings? people end up making their own ways of showing it anyways. i know someone who has a sticker asking people not to ping them. ive also seen many people try to use !pingpref and have it not work because it was disabled and then get confused and annoyed.

if you provide a way for people to display their preferences, then there should also be a way to explain why they have those preferences.

[coarse walrus]

You can explain why, by typing it out in a message.

You said yourself it never went on for more than a minute, but a minute is too long to be on this topic when it’s constant.

We do care about our users, and we’re not half-assing it, we’re improving the state of general chat to allow for meaningful discussions instead of pointless arguments or heated scenarios where users take it too far. While the trope ‘it only takes a few people to ruin it for everyone’, isn’t always necessarily true, after staff reflected on this, and the other side of it you don’t see which is how many extra moderation actions and reports are received over this topic.

As I hinted at before, there already exists a sticker in the server currently that says “Please don’t ping me” on it which is a member’s Level Reward; that can be used. This would be redundant to that as well. We can have the roles to signify preference, but for the purpose of not encouraging the back-and-forth, we have new moderation guidelines on top of this to limit the amount of times in an interaction members ask to/to not be pinged and punish accordingly to make sure it doesn’t get out of hand.

This is not a McDonald’s where everything is at the push of a button or run of a command, it’s a communications platform where typing messages is the primary form of communication.

I understand the various different reasons why users do and don’t want pings, we even disagree constantly as a staff team on who does and doesn’t want them – that’s fine, but just typing out a few words isn’t a lot to personally redirect someone for pinging you. In other servers the same is done.

[hard solstice]

..the unserious sticker of a cat that most new people who don’t understand the ping preference system would take as a joke?

!pingpref was almost perfect in the way that it clearly explained why people decide to not want reply pings, it just needed to be more concise.

it’s a bit of a flawed argument saying that “you can just explain why in a message”, because it’s hard to explain why you prefer not to be pinged in a few lines. especially for some people, the difference between a random person saying it and a server bot saying it is a lot! the random person, they could just argue with them, while the server bot feel more like it’s cemented in the server, which doesn’t really leave a lot of room open for argument.

even if this is always done in other servers, so? you said that pridecord is alone in its ping preference system, so shouldn’t you be trying to make sure it works well, to give an example to other servers of how a properly functioning system can benefit its members?

you’re not improving general chat by removing used features that served a useful purpose, and provided information that may be a lot harder for users to explain

i mean this literally has a silly cat with a star and an uwu face in the text

this could be taken as a joke so easily

[midnight wind]

Yo I love it

[hard solstice]

-# made in canva

[midnight wind]

/lh

[gusty jackal]

to be honest, we could solve the redundant sticker issue by replacing that one with the one you proposed, if Rooney is ok with doing that

I do have to say though, I take issue with the "being pinged by the user does not mean that you can ping them in return" part because it comes off as hypocritical

if you don't want to be pinged you shouldn't be pinging others by default because that's literally hypocritical behavior

the only people I reply ping are those with the reply pings yes role, otherwise I leave it off by default because I follow the golden rule and treat people the way I want to be treated