Idk,you'll have to do all 3 eventually
#wow-help
zinc quail
will try that prob
polar wasp
Is your name derived from Philemon or just coincidence
polar wasp
Got it
storm cliff
Hey all
I have a question: where is the absolute best place to farm shimmerscale and bloodstained bones?
pallid fulcrum
Auction house.
short frost
lol
storm cliff
I'm trying to make gold here XD
storm cliff
I'm kinda nervous
pallid fulcrum
Auction house then overpricing.
polar wasp
I'm trying to make gold here XD
given the next expansion is in a week,i dont think they'll sell at all anymore
better look to farming Shadowlands leather if i were you
storm cliff
First I'm too poor for the expansion
pallid fulcrum
I'm still farming lvls to make gud alts ;-;
storm cliff
And second this farm is for my next month subscription
polar wasp
First I'm too poor for the expansion
not the economy's problem
pallid fulcrum
storm cliff
But it is my concern
polar wasp
Too high in my country unfortunatly
get it bought in another country,then be sent the code
ez
storm cliff
It's not as funny ad you think
It's stressing for me
I HAVE to make 200k gold for a token
pallid fulcrum
Well we're sorry to hear it but we can't do anything.
storm cliff
Y'all have fun playing wow then
pallid fulcrum
You too.
polar wasp
look to another discord for help
storm cliff
You too.
Wish I could but
pallid fulcrum
Enjoy every last day of it.
pallid fulcrum
Hmmmmmm.
Well.
Try to farm loot.
Or mounts.
Then you'll make a ton of money.
Like in the millions.
storm cliff
What mount should I go for?
storm cliff
Given I'm fairly new lvl 43
pallid fulcrum
But make sure u can get it.
polar wasp
we're not goldfarmers here fam
all our advice is tangential at best
pallid fulcrum
🤦♂️ :
polar wasp
Given I'm fairly new lvl 43
you wont get any farming done unless you're 50
that should be obvious
storm cliff
I appreciate all of your advi es
storm cliff
So I'll get to 50 'til tomorrow
storm cliff
OK
pallid fulcrum
Don't waste time.
pallid fulcrum
Np.
storm cliff
It's comforts me seeing the support!
grand minnow
you cant use pvp ability in macro ?
pallid fulcrum
U can i think.
grand minnow
dosent work
prime elbow
you can, but needs to be activated. some are off gcd, some are not.
latent hedge
Sorry Melv, hate to admit it but I think I may be enjoying druid more than pally...but also kinda worried I'm going to run into something I could have solod on pally but not on my druid =/
grand minnow
Druid is fun but i dont recommend it to new players
polar wasp
Sorry Melv, hate to admit it but I think I may be enjoying druid more than pally...but also kinda worried I'm going to run into something I could have solod on pally but not on my druid =/
druid can be very sturdy,but paladin has "cheating" tools such as lay on hands and divine shield
which no other tank class has
a full heal even from 1% hp,and a totally immune to dmg bubble
and if you have to resort to those then maybe you werent on the level to face that threat yet
short frost
anyone has the bag boy timer for EU?
prime elbow
@short frost https://i.imgur.com/tzTDbtU.png
short frost
gracias
latent hedge
Yea, paladin seems safer, but as the first time I've played a druid, the stealth and convenience from druid is kinda nuts. That said, not sure if they will withstand getting beat on by some of the rare elites compared to a paladin...who basically has 3 health bars, as you pointed out
analog tartan
what is the "forgotten techniques of kul tires" item that you can buy from herbalism vendors?
short frost
does it not say on the tooltip?
analog tartan
well I don't get it so that's why I'm asking. It said soemthing like relearn all herbalism skills from quests but then forget them or something like that
really weird
white prism
according to wowhead: "Use: Re-learn any herbalism techniques that you learned via questing in Kul Tiras or Zandalar, but forgot after switching professions."
short frost
so when you forgot herbalism techniques - this item will relearn you those
since you cant repeat those quests
analog tartan
by forgetting herbalism you mean like respeccing into another profession?
short frost
yeah
prime elbow
eg. it lets you unlearn a profession and learn a new one, while still retaining the progress.
short frost
it makes you forgot everything about herbalism
analog tartan
interesting
so if I learn this I can have two professions but still be able to do hearbalism
prime elbow
like if you have herbalism and mining, but wanna grab blacksmithing instead of herbalism, you buy one of those books
short frost
no - you can only use it if you learn herbalism again
analog tartan
is kul tiran alchemy only usable for this exansion?
why is it different from regular alchemy :/
short frost
it's only usable for this expansion
white prism
it's new recipes/items found only in the expansion
they've done this with professions and expansions for years
"learn legion <profession>"
short frost
every expansion has its own isolated profession meta
analog tartan
I've been learning kul tiras recepies from alchemist in Borelas but I can only make 2 elixirs and 1 potion on regular alchemy.
:/
white prism
ya... need to go back and learn those recipes
analog tartan
do I need to go to another alchemist or somehting
short frost
yes
analog tartan
fk
short frost
if you want to do wrath alchemy you need to visit the wrath alchemy teacher and so on
analog tartan
is there a general alchemy trainer in like stormwind or something
short frost
but since the expansions dont really care about other expnasions' crafted items this isnt really necessary
short frost
so you wont ever be using wrath potions in shadowlands
white prism
not sure when this went in, but leveling changed
for example, i have a lvl 50 that started skinning
i went to ongoro crater and continually improved my skinning on the same mobs
is that the same for other profs?
short frost
nope
white prism
k
pallid fulcrum
how do i get from Stormwind docks to Kul Tiras?
polar wasp
take the portal
in the stormwind mage tower
to boralus
i think it's the big tower in the mage's district on the map
pallid fulcrum
oh okay and why do i keep getting killed and transform to an infected zombie? xD
white prism
ZOMBIE INVASION!
pallid fulcrum
D::
white prism
patch notes from Nov 16: "he additional second-week content of the Shadowlands Pre-patch, Death Rising, is now available. New quests can be found in Icecrown and capital cities, and you are advised to take extra precautions. Zombies are invading!"
Zombies are invading!
pallid fulcrum
ooooo
final siren
So. I'm planning on buying wow. Is wow classic worth it for beginners? Or just buy the normal one? And what class to play?
white prism
you get it all btw
but wow classic isn't really for beginners.
the new starting area is though ("Exile's Reach")
final siren
Oh. Okay thanks! And what classes are good? Alliance or Horde?
white prism
it's all personal choice
you can create up to 50 characters on your account though
so you can try and see what you like
alliance or horde
pallid fulcrum
uh also, i can't find my quest after handing it in. the scouting map is also empty
final siren
Okay. And what about shadowlands? Do I get that when it's released too?
Or is it just classic and normal one?
white prism
so i have a question
if you are starting with wow right now
do you just buy shadowlands?
or do you need to buy old expansions?
short frost
no
white prism
i remember way back you'd have to buy previous ones
short frost
only SL needs buying
short frost
they were selling BfA (the current one) until like a month ago
final siren
So. What should I buy then?
short frost
yeah they got rid of this concept a while ago
short frost
buy gametime and when you think it's worth and you wanna level to 60 buy shadowlands @final siren
white prism
to start out, just the base version is probably fine
final siren
So the one for 13€ a month? Or is there a different one
white prism
that's it
that's the subscription
but if you want shadowlands, that is a 1 time charge
so @short frost , if you just buy gametime without SL what can you do?
prime elbow
i stopped buying the physical version of the game after legion 
short frost
@white prism you can basically play the game as it is right now - max level will be 50 and you have access to all old content inclduing up to bfa
white prism
interesting
short frost
obviously 99% of the players will have evacuated the bfa areas after launch and it will be much less of an MMO
but people exist that play this way amd enjoy it
white prism
but if they are like you, they don't want to be around others anyway. 😉
social distancing
pallid fulcrum
@short frost how do i continue my quest?
short frost
you need to read the quest carefully
white prism
what quest is it?
short frost
and follow the instructions
white prism
remember, wowhead is your friends
pallid fulcrum
uh i have 0 quests in my journal
white prism
then find another quest
pallid fulcrum
and idk where to go now
white prism
you leveling there?
pallid fulcrum
most quests in these areas are either crafting related or just random '' bring me 20 fur '' quests
nothing related to what i just had
short frost
open your map of taragarde sound and slook for ❗
white prism
are you leveling or doing war campaign?
pallid fulcrum
i'm leveling (lvl 19) in Tiragarde Sound
short frost
it's leveling since the scouting map is empty
so you have to pick up your quest lines there in this zone and finish them
polar wasp
best way to check where you got lost
is open the map,the go to the zones on the map
and see the quest progress in the top right
it should say like 2/7 chapters
polar wasp
etc
final siren
So instead of buying 3 months of the normal one, I can just buy sl for 40€ and get everything for lifetime?
short frost
I guess you just walked away from a quest line then without picking up the follow up
white prism
@final siren you can't play without monthly... buying shadowlands gives you access to the latest content
pallid fulcrum
i handed my quest in right there then i got nothing xD
polar wasp
@pallid fulcrum use the link geezer sent,scroll all the way down to "chapter 6:the norwingtoon estate"
then run the script listed there
in chat
final siren
Oh okay. And whenever a new "dlc" comes out I have to buy thst too?
white prism
yes.. but those are 2+ years apart
they are called "expansions"
what i'd recommend
buy a month, download it and give it a try
if you like it, buy more. 😄
short frost
wowhead will hint you on the mssing 2 chapters
check out this area since you havent visited it yet
pallid fulcrum
oh okay, thanks!
short frost
I'm pretty sure you will find a chapter here
white prism
there's a lot of quests there.. i spent a good part of yesterday questing there
leveling my priest
final siren
Okay thanks!
white prism
@final siren good luck!
my one tip - if you have an option when starting a character to choose Exile's Reach to start in - do that
it helps new users
pallid fulcrum
there are many quests here, do i take them all?
pallid fulcrum
oh okay! before i didn't have to take anything and i just went with the expansion's story quests
white prism
ya.. now you are on your own
white prism
or use some guides
polar wasp
you can always still follow the storyquests
and you can always abandon quests you didnt do later
heady viper
is it possible to give a one-handed weapon the appearance of a two-handed one
pallid fulcrum
oh i see, so you must reach a certain place in chapters for your story to continue?
so in this case i have to finish the area?
i still haven't finished these 2
short frost
the chapters are sometimes kind of independend - usually the game tries to make you walk into it - but sometimes it be like this
pallid fulcrum
ah i see
white prism
so... does leveling in BFA area take you into the War Campaign? or is that going to be diff
i've only done a bit of the campaign with higher level chars... but am now trying to level there
before i returned i mainly did WoD content
short frost
it does - but only at around 40 to 45 I think
heady viper
how do I get void edge on my blades
sturdy robin
where is nathanos ? i need to fight him again but i dont remember where he is
polar wasp
[Void Edge]
forest lilyBOT
Illusion: Void Edge - https://www.wowhead.com/item=174932/illusion-void-edge - Live 9.0.1
polar wasp
where is nathanos ? i need to fight him again but i dont remember where he is
plaguelands? idk if it was western or eastern
where marris stead is
short frost
eastern
prime elbow
the western part of eastern plaguelands, yeah
sturdy robin
i can't find him anymore . not getting a quest either. is the reset happened already?
sturdy robin
ok
wraith ingot
What does it mean a guide says the class scales better with secondary stats?
polar wasp
What does it mean a guide says the class scales better with secondary stats?
it means that the class/spec's gameplay or damage,is improved more by secondary stats
than by just stamina on intellect/agility/strength
aka fire mage likes a lot of crit
short frost
@wraith ingot make sure the guides you are watching are no older than 4 weeks
since anything older is outdated
short frost
haha for sure
agile cedar
What are the level caps after all? I see it's 50 for WoW, 60 for WoW Classic, but bigger for other expansions. How does it work?
cobalt flint
@pallid fulcrum Go to the Norwington Estate. It's one of the blue icons in the northern part of Tiragarde. You will be sent from there to find someone's son if I recall correctly. The quests from turtle people are optional. You should be able to find your way from there.
@agile cedar There has just been a level squish. Before patch 9.0 the maximum level was 120, but it has been rescaled. Classic uses the older scale, but it's pre-2007 content, where the cap was only 60.
agile cedar
But I heard you get access to all old expansions with a subscribtion so will it still be max 50?
soft maple
whats the deal with world quests in arathi and darkshore
why is there only ever one of them with wqs
short frost
it's part of the war front idea
the faction has to conquer the zone
then holds it for a while and gets WQ
while the other faction has to concquer it again
soft maple
im horde and want to do wqs in arathi, do i need to wait untill theres an assault on arathi?
soft maple
thanks
cobalt flint
@agile cedar Every level in the game has been rescaled, including old expansions. It would take a bit long to explain everything in detail, but in short, don't worry about that. At level 50 you should be handle anything from old expansions.
tulip goblet
im a bit confused, i started a few days ago and had been doing (i think?) the mainquest and i got sidetracked into vash'jir or whatever it's called and now into deepholm but i've hit 40 and my level progress has slowed and now quests are saying low level, what exactly should i be doing to progress with content my level?
on an added note, started wow as in first time ever, so a little overwhelmed lol
tulip goblet
well zone wise anyway
short frost
you'll have plenty of time for doing that tbf
cobalt flint
You can still do it if you really want. You just won't be gaining much XP.
short frost
your main goal for now should be to hit level 50
tulip goblet
gotcha, i'll get back to that then cheers
short frost
👍
tulip goblet
Also another thing is there any indicator on quest log anywhere that displays which quests are relevant to the main path? I’m not in game at the min but don’t remember seeing any
short frost
no - unfortunately not
but they have categories
and you can guess from context what should be relevant tbh
Like if you quest in Tiragarde Sound quests for Deepholm and Vash'jir can be probably dropped
tulip goblet
Yea I thought that too, cheers for the help
cobalt flint
@tulip goblet Important quest locations are marked on the map with exclamation marks. If you don't know where to find what to do, check for those first.
pallid fulcrum
@cobalt flint I've done almost all the quests there and i did finish a quest somewhat related to saving a boy, but nothing appeared after it
polar wasp
damn yasie being really full of problems xd
pallid fulcrum
yeah... xD
polar wasp
this isnt usually the case
acoustic wave
Hi is heirlooms worth it?
white prism
Hi is heirlooms worth it?
@acoustic wave I think so... but you level fast these days w/o them
are these quests i need to finish?
@pallid fulcrum look them up on wowhead
to get details on where to get them etc...
polar wasp
@pallid fulcrum we sent you the guide earlier
polar wasp
use the link geezer sent,scroll all the way down to "chapter 6:the norwingtoon estate" or 5
https://www.wowhead.com/guides/tiragarde-sound-leveling-tips
pallid fulcrum
ohhh
the first quest of chapter 5 is: 'Meet Brother Therold at Anglepoint Wharf'
now i know where to go! thanks
polar wasp
Pardon scuffed phone view,but this is what you should see if you click on the blue title for the chapter
pallid fulcrum
yeah!
cobalt flint
@pallid fulcrum Typically, you do the Norwington Estate quests first, then move on to Angle point. Unfortunately, those chapters are not always put in order.
acoustic wave
If you dont buy shadowlands can you not get to 60?
pallid fulcrum
oh i see, thanks!
heady viper
is it still possible to get the lucid nightmare mount?
polar wasp
Yes
vast reef
Does anyone know if there's a merchant for other classes that will sell armor equal to your level kinda like the Death knights have? Since death knights have the merchant that will sell the starting armor except the selling level is just equal to your current level.
prime elbow
you are talking about heirlooms (also dont post in multiple channels)
polar wasp
it says the "hunt" for it concluded in 2017
The "hunt" was discovering how to get it
heady viper
ahhh okay
vast reef
I mean just armor in general. Doesn't matter what kind, as long as it's for the class. Because DK's can just go back to their area and talk to the merchant that sells the armor you get from the starting quest line. But it syncs to your level, so you can basically just use that to keep current with armor. I was wondering if there was anyone else that can do that for other classes.
vast reef
I figured it was intended since you can do the same dungeon at any level right now and it'll always drop armor at your level and never lower or higher.
pallid fulcrum
ehh.. i just found out i had to be lvl 30 for this quest to appear
that's why i can't see it anywhere xD
polar wasp
You seem to be cursed someway
Never seen anyone else run into this much
Also BC in the screenshot
Means "breadcrumb"
polar wasp
Which means "this quest will point you there,but isnt required to go get the quest its pointing you to"
and how do I get the void edge on my weapons
You mean how you drop it? I linked the wowhead post earlier when you asked it
Look into the comments section
pallid fulcrum
wait the quest i need to pick up is called '' help wanted '' if i click on it it leads back to Tiragarde Sound
and that quest should be here
white prism
How do I deal with healing in battle?
@agile cedar what class?
some can cast healing
otherwise, potions
agile cedar
Playing mage, so I dont think there are any other options
prime elbow
eh, just slip away and heal
agile cedar
each potion has its own cd?
agile cedar
Ok thanks
prime elbow
tbc raids doesnt have either mythic or heroic versions
polar wasp
No raid until the very last one from mists of pandaria(called siege of orgrimmar) has mythic
prime elbow
ofc, since it wasnt even a thing, so it doesnt affect anything
undone saddle
kk just making sure i wasnt being retarded since i started my mount farming
a while ago
pallid fulcrum
Can I specifically queue for suramar dungeons at lvl 50? My friend told me I can but I don’t see legion dungeons as an option
prime elbow
no you cant queue for them at max level, you have to walk to their respective dungeon entrances and walk in manually to do them
same with any old instanced area
pallid fulcrum
Damn, I tried to solo court of stars but I couldn’t. I was hoping there was a way around it.
short frost
nope
you need to get to a point wher you are able to solo it
either by having appropriate gear or developing the habit to use your skills correctly
faint ibex
What is a coherent quest path to do for new players after Zandalar Forever? Does the plot continue? I've found the war campaign disappointing so far. War campaign has so many random events and characters thrown at me and IMO has a significantly worse (hardly existent?) story... maybe I missed something...
modest cedar
just got the game today and i want to learn how and where to mine plz
short frost
@modest cedar talk to a guard in a city to find a mining teacher - they you will find yellow dots on your mini map to mine ores from
modest cedar
is there a good spot to train
grand minnow
Best to look at a guide on Google cause not all zones are adequate at low level
modest cedar
is there a guide you would recommend ive been looking just more confused then anything
grand minnow
I'm in bed I can't link 
short frost
I dont know any mining guides - I'd say talk to the mining teachger in Boralus/DRazaralor and start mining what you find
there isnt much to it
hardy siren
Can Warlocks still get the Green fire quest chain?
(turns their fire spells to green Fel fire)
short frost
I think so
pallid wraith
Any way to get gametime for free?
pallid wraith
Damn, but its impossible if you never played before?
short frost
well of course - you need to pay in order to gather that gold
there isnt a way where people play the game 100% free
unless they work for Blizzard
pallid wraith
Would 2 month of gametime allow me to grind enough o get that gold
prime elbow
depends if you know how to grind and have the time to do it
wraith ingot
Guys could you help me with this dungeon? For example it's called Underrrot and the final boss Unbound Abomination, he has an ability that focuses a random person in your group that does 3526 damage, and its undodgeable, but I only have 2.6k HP how am I supposed not to die?
I have died a lot of times due to only that
short frost
@wraith ingot you need to talk to your healer - he should take care of that
wraith ingot
How? he cant heal me if I die in one hit o-o
am I just underleved-geared for that one dungeon?
short frost
maybe he can use a shield? - also make sure you repair your gear - you should have at least 10000 HP
wraith ingot
well im only lvl 29 xI
wraith ingot
yeah shouldve mentioned that bit haha
grand minnow
Broken game
wraith ingot
ive not had problems with any other dungeon only that 1
short frost
so the way it works is that he applies a debuf on you that increases the damage you take
you need to make sure this debuff is removed regularly
that's again something your healer might want to take care of
or you use the cleansing aoe effect the titant construct puts ona player
short frost
yeah - so he looks at you - then starts casting this - your job would now be to run out of the cone before it goes off
wraith ingot
hm
short frost
that's a typical cone ability
wraith ingot
right and its meant to one shot normally?
wraith ingot
hm nothing is broken but its definitely 10 Item levels behind my level so maybe thats why
short frost
you must have been super unlucky on the loot - check your mailbox maybe you missed some drops
pallid fulcrum
What’s better for end game:
Rogue
Warlock
Druid
short frost
the one you play best
pallid fulcrum
Rogue
short frost
there you have it
pallid fulcrum
Best race for horde rogue
short frost
vulpera
short frost
undead?
wraith ingot
you know DK unholy has dead coil that heals undead, so if your race is undead, would that heal yourself lol?
forest lilyBOT
Death Coil - https://www.wowhead.com/spell=47541/death-coil - Live 9.0.1
prime elbow
or well, even more specific.
graceful rose
I really need a couple of guild charter signatures. All you need to do is pop onto a fresh level one ork, and click one thing. After that, doesn't matter. This would really help me out. and I'm having trouble finding unguilded people on the server.
Thrall-US, Hoard.
west ocean
Yo I've been waiting for Ishak to spawn for almost 3 hours now... The comments on wowhead have different info... Is Ishak really a 4.5 hour respawn timer?
short frost
[Ishak]
forest lilyBOT
Ishak of the Four Winds - https://www.wowhead.com/npc=157134/ishak-of-the-four-winds - Live 9.0.2
frank lion
In the quest "Warlords of Draenor: The dark portal", it says to talk to the vanguard battlemage
I go where it tells me but the npc isnt there
Is this a bug or something??
short frost
you must have run past her
frank lion
what do you mean
short frost
people usually do that
prime elbow
or youre not in the wod timeline
west ocean
@short frost I already checked wowhead.
Yo I've been waiting for Ishak to spawn for almost 3 hours now... The comments on wowhead have different info... Is Ishak really a 4.5 hour respawn timer?
cobalt flint
Should be in the main room with portals. But will not have any exclamation mark above head. You need to find that one normally. @frank lion
short frost
I checked wowhead too - if the comments arent sure nobody can be @west ocean
short frost
are you a DH?
frank lion
Hunter
cobalt flint
What level?
frank lion
10
acoustic ibex
Hey I have a question ?
short frost
how should I know?
west ocean
@frank lion I'd suggest double-checking with Chromie and try abandoning and then retaking the quest. If it still doesn't work then try relogging
frank lion
I've tried relogging, reseting the quest, and ive even created a new character
short frost
I just made a level 10 hunter to see it myself
cobalt flint
@frank lion If what Tarasios suggest doesn't work, you may instead try asking a mage player to make a portal to Stonard. It's a bit longer ride than you would otherwise have, but not super far.
frank lion
ok
short frost
@frank lion she is right there for me
west ocean
@frank lion You could also always just cheese your way into Draenor by going to the timeless isle campfire
frank lion
@short frost Yeah she's not there for me lol
west ocean
What other quests do you have?
short frost
try to get a stonard portal
frank lion
that's what im gonna do
west ocean
My guess is it's phasing because of a different quest
frank lion
no other quests
west ocean
(like how I can't start the legendary cloak quest until I walk around town with him, because otherwise the throne room just has Turalyon)
finite arrow
when trying to get into wow, specifically pvp (retail)... i get your meant to do damage and CC your opponent.
but i never understood when your meant to do certain stuff
or what my role was to do say if it was just a 1v1 or something
do i just pile on my CC and damage and hope to out do them?
use my my CDs appropriately.
im sure im missing a lot... guides ive seen online just tend to tell you what things to pick, not always how to play
prime elbow
that comes with experience
just gotta know what your kit does and your opponent.... and know when to use your stuff at the appropriate time.
finite arrow
ah ok! i always recall going up against much better players in bgs and getting kinda stomped, sorta put me off but yh.
generally favoured easier to play classes like frost dk
range i find quite hard as you have to stress movement/strafing AND using your abilities right
west ocean
@finite arrow you need to do that with melee too. Almost moreso
because they can hurt you from any range
but you need to be beside them to hurt them
finite arrow
hm always found it easier closing the distance and popping abilities then running away and popping them
thats true though
maybe i shd consider other classes going forward too
west ocean
With Hunter you have traps and disengage. Really easy to play.
finite arrow
i recall having to tab target switch to stun/silence certain players quickly then revert back a bit difficult as ranged
whereas melee you werent really expected to do that in ur kit
ah ok
west ocean
Druid has a really high skill ceiling due to its versatility, but straight up boomkin is probably one of the easiest specs to play
wraith ingot
In PvP like battlegrounds, does gear matter? or even lvl?
finite arrow
yeah see ive always liked the idea of druid but the idea of having to switch like forms to do stuff...
boomkin does look nice. playing as the er big chicken sorta put me off in the past but yh 😄
cool none the less
west ocean
@finite arrow druids have a low skill floor and a high skill ceiling. They're the most versatile class in the game
Boomkin is currently high on dps charts despite being so easy to play
resto is also one of the better healers
finite arrow
i tend to strictly like pvp though id say
when you mention dps
ive never really enjoy pve so much, i kinda rushed leveling etc
west ocean
Feral gets shit on by blizz but you can stealth using them
Guardian is I think the worst tank atm, but that doesn't mean they're bad at all
iirc Resto druid with Feral affinity is the high-ceiling pvp class
and raw boomkin for ezmode
finite arrow
ah gotcha thanks!
pvp wise then
bm hunter pretty good/easy?
frost dk easy too?
might give boomkin a play around too
neon cedar
in the past when i got a player or Bnet whisper it would show both in the main chat frame and a new window
now (maybe just on this new char) it only shows in the new tab - how can i get the old behaviour back?
west ocean
@tight elbow oh really? I thought survival was sucky currently. I just always play BM
tight elbow
@tight elbow oh really? I thought survival was sucky currently. I just always play BM
@west ocean It excels in pvp
BM is the best for PvE with MM coming in behind it.
wraith ingot
Does gear affect PvP?
viscid nimbus
Yes. Your gear affects your performance in PvP.
To a rather large degree, I might add.
white prism
Got a question on War Campaign... it seems I somehow screwed it up
shows that Vol'dun is incomplete.. but i did it
and don't find any quests there
any idea how to fix that?
steep wagon
Anyone know a good way to do the nzoth fight with lfr? I've been standing here for 30 minutes waiting on a tank.
frank lion
What is the max level in shadowlands?
cobalt flint
@white prism Did you also help snake people defend their base?
white prism
i finally found it.. thx
using wowhead's quest completion tool
and you are spot on.. snake people. 😄
talking to Vorrik now... about to finish it
frosty jasper
In process returning to WoW.
From Toronto I need a,
- New York or Chicago server
- EST
- Strong population
- Close to a 1:1 faction ratio
- Not WoW Classic
I've run Blizzard's looking glass. It's not helping identify my options. What else can I do?
keen pewter
So some east coast server...
There's Dalaran in Eastern servers and Emerald Dream on Central @frosty jasper
frosty jasper
Oh nice, where'd you get that ratio readout?
keen pewter
neon cedar
amusing that they provide population to the 1s place
aren't guilds capped at 1000 members?
spare summit
So I’m very new but earlier today there was a massive group of people waiting for something to spawn in order to get rare/high level items- HOW DO THEY KNOW WHERE TO GO
old zinc
Addons and the regularity that's been put in place for a week
spare summit
Ahh okay I’m not looking to do it atm I’m focusing on finishing BFA but in future how would I go about doing that
Thank you as well by the way
finite arrow
Trying to get decent at pvp never managed to. Just coming back to the game. Is it a good idea to make a new account and pvp at lower levels where’s there’s less abilities to use
Sorta ease my way in and become slowly more familiar
Perhaps level 15-20 has too few skills I’m not sure
In the past once always rushed to max then done pvp and felt overwhelmed
desert silo
hi
quick q, I'm trying to unlock the allied races, i'm level 48, trying to start the Argus campaign
I can't find Khadgar to get started, any ideas?
(there is a chance i did the into quest when i was a lower level a long long time ago)
fervent venture
It should start with a quest from khadgar in the violet citadel with the quest uniting the isles
that’ll unlock broken isles, then the hand of fate quest should also come from khadgar which should unlock argus
maybe with the level squish/chrome time these quests might only appear at level 50, not too sure
vagrant skiff
im looking for a mat i can farm that sells well in the AH any tips please
frosty jasper
How does contested territory work now that all servers are "normal" Are you in war mode when you enter?
neon cedar
same way it worked on pve or pvp servers before the change, based on your warmode status
pve was you'd only get pvp flagged if you went into hostile territory; contested would flag you on PvP servers / now warmode
tardy rapids
keen pewter
Is this your first character or do you have another lvl50?
finite arrow
is guardian druid viable for pvp?
playing a tanky class sounds fun for pvp but they dont tend to be too good in arena or bgs maybe even
polar wasp
I dont play pvp sorry
gleaming minnow
what’s the level requirement for arena ?
it wasn’t letting me queue for an arena but it let me for a battlegrounds or whatever it’s called
like i could hit join game button but nothing would happen
pallid fulcrum
Im new to wow and im overwhelmed af. Im just gonna level up for now
frosty jasper
So, I live near Toronto. I picked,
Server Eonar
East coast (NY)
EST
Full (7k)
Not Classic
Latency 23-24 ms (home) 19 ms (world)
Q1: What is and how balanced is my battlegroup ratio?
Q2: How should I interpret the latency?
river kestrel
Do the infected zombies in cities spawn in random locations?
karmic hedge
@frosty jasper check the server pop
But bgs are cross realm
So you shouldn't have any problems
And that ms is pretty good no need to interpret anything
frosty jasper
I did, it says its more alliance than horde, and that's fine because I love being outnumbered. But Area 52 server is apparently part of my battlegroup, and server pop says they are some 99% horde server.
karmic hedge
General rule is under 90 ms there is no difference. Yeah connected realm probably
You can trade shit on connected realms
frosty jasper
on nice
frosty jasper
So I shouldn't bother trying to find a better ping server?
Kinda hopin for a ping that people would say "hey, that's ridiculously good" so I can relax
karmic hedge
You really won't find one that gives any better than this and you notice it
I have 50 ms feels like 20
frosty jasper
ok perfect
karmic hedge
50 ms is 0,005 milliseconds of a delay
karmic hedge
Yeah as it shows it seems like a big deal
Under 300 it's not
I've tanked icc 25 hc with 4k ms
frosty jasper
TRACEROUTE:
traceroute to 70.27.111.85 (70.27.111.85), 15 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 Blizzard Blizzard 3.873 ms 3.882 ms 3.887 ms
2 24.105.18.130 (24.105.18.130) 3.947 ms 3.942 ms 3.972 ms
3 137.221.105.10 (137.221.105.10) 4.005 ms 4.013 ms 4.020 ms
4 137.221.66.20 (137.221.66.20) 5.408 ms 5.400 ms 5.412 ms
5 137.221.83.84 (137.221.83.84) 1474.957 ms 1474.973 ms 1474.985 ms
6 * * *
Always that 5th hop
or 4th
karmic hedge
Only matters if you feel the delay
Don't thing much about it.
And even then you have tools to make it better
(Custom dns, razors app that does pretty much the same)
By Manipulating the route your pockets travel you can make them more efficient thus lowering ms.
frosty jasper
I always thought (and was told) you couldn't manipulate the routes
karmic hedge
You can. That's what dns does
I'm using googles dns
But it differs whoever you ask if it matters most of the people think it doesn't matter and there were tests determining if it does that came to a conclusion that it doesn't change anything. But that's like testing if an egg brakes on all the earth like planets if you drop it. Too much variables.
frosty jasper
This is intriguing. I'll have to look into this.
tulip goblet
hi folks, wondering is there any important quests to do at low levels, for example the flying mounts quest?
or rather not quests, but important mechanics such as flying mounts i should know about?
karmic hedge
@tulip goblet not sure I understand the question.
There are no quests worth your time to get a flying mount at low level
tulip goblet
well im completely new and had no idea you could get flying mounts at a low level, thought it was an endgame thing until i saw a quest pop up about it
tulip goblet
just to clarify, i have a flying mount, but i just used those as an example
i didnt know i COULD get one until i saw the quest, so my question was are there any other useful features that i might have missed as a new player?
sorry if im not getting my point across
karmic hedge
Well. To be honest you can blast through 1-50 in like 15 hours at worst
There is nothing you can't do then you could do now. Level 30 is slow flying
40 is fast
Have you done dungeons and battlegrounds ?
That's again something you can do. But you don't need to do.
Farming for things will become much much easier with max level and you can get pretty good gear with the event
tulip goblet
sorry im really not sure how to word what i mean lol
karmic hedge
So just quest away and worry about other things later.
tulip goblet
but say a veteran player was levelling a brand new account, what are some things they would have to get as soon as possible?
for example, a flying mount
karmic hedge
Legion artifact weapon
You can bring it up to ilvl 80 for like 3k gold
So you can use it pretty much the whole leveling process
tulip goblet
ok i saw this somewhere else too, what is ilevel?
keen pewter
Item level
pallid fulcrum
guys help. what is memory leak ? and how does it affect wow ?
keen pewter
karmic hedge
@pallid fulcrum memory leak should not be a problem
frosty jasper
All the things you can set in character creation you're able to change in game right? Nothing is restricted once your in?
karmic hedge
Wow doesn't have memory leaks
pallid fulcrum
I was just told that it's the reason why i have 30 fps in epic bg's
keen pewter
Who told you that?
frosty jasper
Turn down shadows
karmic hedge
That's pretty dumb
keen pewter
All the things you can set in character creation you're able to change in game right? Nothing is restricted once your in?
Yup, except name and race I guess xD And Class can't be changed even if you pay
karmic hedge
Memory leak is when something isn't yet optimized so the game keeps hogging ram
keen pewter
I use 1GB of ram in addons and I have 60fps just fine
(tho I do have 24GB total available ram)
karmic hedge
Indefinetely
So you end up with something eating 6 gigs
But still you can just restart it
And that should fix it for a while
tulip goblet
ok i like the look of this artifact weapon, how exactly do i start the questline for these?
keen pewter
Legion campaign
karmic hedge
Can a bfa locked character do legion campaign?
pallid fulcrum
moment plz
CPU: Ryzen 7 3700x
RAM: 2x8( 16 GB) 3600 mhz
GPU: RTX 2070 SUPER
Monitor : 1440p 144 hz G-Sync
keen pewter
Can a bfa locked character do legion campaign?
nope 😄
karmic hedge
@pallid fulcrum oh boy that's strange check your drivers
pallid fulcrum
how do I do that ? xD
karmic hedge
Yeah that's the problem then :D
pallid fulcrum
I do have it
pallid fulcrum
express installation i guess ?
keen pewter
yes
tulip goblet
so i cant get the legion weapon because im on bfa campaign? can i do it after i finish bfa?
sorry for all these questions i only started few days ago lol
karmic hedge
@tulip goblet yea
keen pewter
Well, they can go to legion probs 🤔
I just wouldn't know how you would start the questchain
karmic hedge
At around 30?
keen pewter
legion starts at 10
karmic hedge
Hah
They should go down the docks then if ally
Horde I can't even remember
But wait doesn't legion only start at 10 when you scale it down?
@tulip goblet what level are you?
tulip goblet
41
karmic hedge
Yeah get the cloak
The neck
That will keep ya busy
And just farm for the event gear
10 minutes for the rare kills for stones is well worth it.
Ilevel 100 gear then you go kill nathanos for the weapon
Spoiler alert and all
@pallid fulcrum also check if you didn't cap the fps by accident
If ya turn on vsync on a gsync monitor that could also do some fucky things
frosty jasper
My characters names all have numbers added to them. I can't play them until I sub, but when I do will it prompt me to rename? Cuz coming back to a name full of numbers isn't exactly a welcome back to me. 😦
karmic hedge
It probably will
neon cedar
yes it won't let you log in until you rename them
frosty jasper
it won't let me log in until I sub it says, no rename option yet
neon cedar
if you don't mind random names and want to get in quick, make a character of the same race/gender, find a suitable random name, cancel and then use that in the forced rename box
karmic hedge
Yeah you need to sub
neon cedar
idk why they still haven't added a random name option to the forced rename dialog 😦
neon cedar
when?
gilded wagon
Is there any way to view transmog sets in wowhead for heroic/mythic colors of gear?
karmic hedge
Mop maybe?
Different versions have different names @gilded wagon
Most of the time.
gilded wagon
heres an example
i have the heroic ver selected but it still shows the normal mog
i just wanna see ppls mogs with the purple shoulders 😦
hidden cloak
can you purchase the BFA season 3 pvp gear anywhere, like old pvp gear for the appearance?
river latch
Anyone knows what that eye patch is ?
I don't remember an eye patch like that in plate
viscid nimbus
@hidden cloak No, only the Aspirant gear currently.
The rest will become available when Shadowlands launches properly, supposedly.
warped jungle
what ilvl should i aim to be for mythic nyalotha
hidden cloak
Well abit late for that buddy, SL is out next week before reset even so no point going for it :P @warped jungle
@viscid nimbus Okay thanks, cause i just noticed the nutorious gladiator came up in my appearance tab and said vendor.
@river latch That is mail
viscid nimbus
Yeah. It'll probably be purchasable from your faction's (BfA) PvP hub.
That's where the Aspirant appearances are currently available from.
viscid nimbus
There should be one. I found one at the Ashvane Docks that sold it.
hidden cloak
i have gladiator quartermaster but that is just trinkets and pots etc
viscid nimbus
I'll hop on and see if I can find it.
viscid nimbus
Yeah.
For Alliance he's inside the little building with Tremblade, so I'd assume the Horde equivalent is close to Vol'rath.
...Just waiting for the mini-update to start and I'll get right to searching.
Huh. You're right. I can't seem to find it for Horde.
The NPC I thought it might be just sells the actual PvP Gear for Honor
I'm going to check Alliance and see if that's what the Alliance NPC does, too.
I distinctly remember the ensembles being on the Alliance NPC, but it could have been on the PTR that I checked, now that I think about it.
Yup. Guess it was just changed before it hit live. Sad.
hidden cloak
Oh sad, always need more tmogs :(
viscid nimbus
Well, a couple days and they should be available.
hidden cloak
just have to wait for SL i guess so
finite arrow
Anyone able to help if possible #wow-help message
hidden cloak
Not really, closest thing is to lvl to 20 and dual outside orgrimmar usally is abit of people around that lvl out there dualing, but other than that not really, and it's just better to lvl to max and train imo, you could try to wait for SL and do it there where everyone at 60 will be freshly geared
viscid nimbus
Also, keep in mind that low level pvp in no way reflects high level pvp
The numbers are skewed in weird ways to make certain abilities much more effective than they have any right to be.
finite arrow
Ah ok thanks guys that makes sense!
Is a bit of an uphill battle getting into but Yh
Guess it’s just a bit of practise getting beat up for a while
viscid nimbus
Yeah, it is.
It's a lot of fun once you do, though.
Just has a lot of an uphill curve.
finite arrow
Understanding what my class is meant to do
hidden cloak
yeh for example, at 20 you can spam 1 ability and output as much dps as someone who does a perfect rotation at high lvl in dungeons
viscid nimbus
Especially since PvP is probably the worst way to obtain gear for PvP 😂
finite arrow
Where it excels
Ah yeah. That’s the reason why I joined back I never have wow pvp a real shot
Oh is that a thing now
Pve gearing is
Will it be like that in SL
viscid nimbus
Well, they're adding a vendor in Shadowlands
It's currently looking to be horrible, compared to gearing through PvE
But they're trying to go in the right direction.
finite arrow
Ah ok Yh cause for me pve never really did anything for me
Levelling was always about of a grind etc
polar wasp
It's currently looking to be horrible, compared to gearing through PvE
But they're trying to go in the right direction.
battlegrounds gearing, last time it was a thing was cata?
it's arena gearing if you want pvp
viscid nimbus
Expect having to do at least a little bit of PvE to gear for PvP
They've nerfed the PvE Trinkets into the ground on Beta, at least
So that's a step in the right direction.
polar wasp
if you arenas you shouldnt need to do pve
finite arrow
I think it was arenas when I played
viscid nimbus
You still need good enough gear to win those arenas in the first place, Dafire
The issue in question is that PvP Vendor gear just isn't really enough for that.
polar wasp
it's heroic raid gear when upgraded to max
finite arrow
Yeah low rank arenas ain’t easy when starting
polar wasp
the pvp vendor gear
people were complaining it takes too much honor to upgrade,hence only doing arenas and not bgs
viscid nimbus
I was under the impression that upgrading your PvP gear was locked behind the Renown system still.
hidden cloak
quite sure it is
last i heard
i think it was several weeks to get to that tier of reward thru pvp
viscid nimbus
All information I can find puts the highest level of PvP gear at 197
Which is equivalent to M+6 Dungeons
This is locked behind Renown level 22, as well, meaning you won't be able to obtain it until at least week 7.
If you have contradicting information, I would much like to see it.
Lord knows I could use some good news regarding PvP gearing 😂
frosty crag
hi there, i have watched the cinematic of anduin at the lions rest, last week but i cant find the followup quest, what can i do?
hidden cloak
You mean when he got abducted?
inland oak
How do I remove a skill from my hotbar? I can't seem to be able to unlock hotbars 😮
hidden cloak
If so, that is shadowlands
inland oak
hidden cloak
in interface settings you should have hotbars
and should be a checkbox for unlock hotbar
frosty jasper
Connected realms. Can I join a guild that's a different server but is a connected realm?
viscid nimbus
Yes.
frosty jasper
Oh nice
viscid nimbus
With the caveat that Cross-realm and connected-realms are not the same thing.
halcyon heath
it seems the patch has broken the Island Expedition AI (was levelling in Normal IE in the past few days), the AI isnt actively killing mobs anymore.
no mentions in Changelog
inland oak
Which build is the most sought after for a Warlock?
keen pewter
Whichever you enjoy the most
inland oak
What's the difference between the 3? One has minions, one has fire and one has DoTs?
keen pewter
Affli is dots, demo is demons, destruction is fatty spells AFAIK
inland oak
Hm, I see
keen pewter
I personally recommend to try all three and see what you like the best
inland oak
And is there anything specific to each spec other than how they look like?
Since I mostly enjoy being some sort of minion master having pets to fight for/alongside me
But I come from a game where those minion master classes used to be considered as a troll class, bringing close to no DPS in raids
keen pewter
Wow is fairly balanced
Aside of a couple of tragic specs, all the specs and classes are viable
Even the tragic ones are viable, just not as good
inland oak
So then if I pick Demonology I won't just randomly find myself get kicked out of raids later on, right?
prime elbow
the only ones that cares about which spec/class you play are the trolls or those that doesnt know how the game works
you cant cure stupid
inland oak
Hm, I see
keen pewter
Indeed
inland oak
So there's no issue with me going Demo, right?
prime elbow
ofc not, im doing fine on my warlock, which im playing mainly demo
flint bay
how realistic is it to get at least one token each month? My friend told me that even someone who has never played the game should have no problem getting at least one each month
prime elbow
depends if you have the time and knowledge to know how to grind and where to grind for a marginal profit
also depends hugely on the region
halcyon condor
weird request but I'm on one of the last quests to unlock nightborne - I have to kill these chronarch defenders in suramar and I'm struggling - anyone able to help a hordie out?
analog tartan
so what's this zombie thing going on in stormwind? It's really annoying.
prime elbow
welcome to the prepatch event
it was 10 times more chaotic the first time it was introduced
entire cities where wiped
little robin
what is decent food for using in fights?
short frost
you should not eat mid fight
little robin
doing a quest going die
analog tartan
@prime elbow so basically you don't get to play until the release.
little robin
need a bit food lol
short frost
as a mage you can summon your own food
short frost
oh - do you know a mage?
little robin
im pretty new in the game
analog tartan
you should always ahve food on you if you can't heal or make food like mages.
short frost
you can also learn cooking to craft your own food
and sometimes enemies drop food
you can steal it
little robin
thanks
@analog tartan which food waht you recomended? can i just buy it in actionhouse
analog tartan
you can buy a bunch of food from vendors that are decent if you're playing quite a squishy role like mage or something which only has a couple thousand hp. Although if you're a class with highhp it's not as easy and you should look to the auctionhouse, but it might be a bit more costly. Almost all food are under a 20sec timer though and you cna't be in combat.
wraith ingot
Is retribution pala meant to be a DPS class? Doesnt seem to have many dmg spells
short frost
yes
analog tartan
yes, it's supposed to be damage
short frost
it just doesnt use many dps spells I guess
but you can buff your allies
so that's great
you can also resurrect allies
also great
and dont forget that you can summon a horse mid fight and run away
which is the greatest thing ever
wraith ingot
I see, its only because it seemed interesting but I havent seen one yet just thought somethign wrong with it
short frost
nah - it's okay
analog tartan
well the whole thing with ret paladin is that they smite evil and empose "retribution" so they're supposed to be a damage class but a paladin is always going to have support skills.
dunno, don't play it 🤷♂️
short frost
He protec, he attack, bust most importantly: he bubble-hearth GG WP
analog tartan
prime elbow
well, the quintessential paladin spell was removed in legion and it was awesome for ret. https://wow.gamepedia.com/Exorcism
cursive stone
How do you get frost artifact relics for the Artifact wep?
supple minnow
Is there still a way to make it so Rupture damage doesn't break Blind? Or did that go out the window with glyphs?
cursive stone
Ah ok thanks :P. Just got my Frostchill
short frost
the relics make the weapon strong
cursive stone
Ya I thought it was how the armor is where you can put options on it by shift+right clicking it until I tried it XD
short frost
it used to be like that - but this is gone
cursive stone
Whats gone?
cursive stone
Ah so the artifacts had that before?
short frost
yep
cursive stone
Seems like theyre trying to get the artifacts out sorta XD
short frost
In Legion this system was invented and brought on the artifacts
in BfA it was moved to Azerite armor
and in SL it will be part of your Covenant pacts
cursive stone
haha that seems sorta stupid to me XD. Make somehting then next expac start to make that thing obsolete XD
or thats what it seems like to me
cursive stone
Ya I get taht but legion wasnt that long ago was it?
supple minnow
legion was what started that, with artifact items
that you basically don't replace until the next expansion
prime elbow
at least with legion artifacts, you would get cool weapon skins for your efforts
cursive stone
How do you get the Amulet btw?
short frost
I bet you can buy it
@cursive stone you will get that later in leveling
or at 50
since you level legion
supple minnow
@cursive stone Not 100% sure in current patch, but if you haven't started BfA content yet it should have popped up, something with Magni Bronzebeard
heady viper
I can't seem to be able to buy it
short frost
maybe nobody sells it
gleaming minnow
I tried queueing up in arena with 2 friends yesterday and when i hit join as group button, nothing happened. we could get into a battlegrounds, though. any ideas why?
cursive stone
YA I jsut joined wow again a lil bit ago and am lvling a mage now
heady viper
so I need to learn tailoring?
prime elbow
[Shadoweave Mask]
forest lilyBOT
Shadoweave Mask - https://www.wowhead.com/item=10025/shadoweave-mask - Live 9.0.2
heady viper
I need that mask for the lucid nightmare mount
prime elbow
i guess or find someone who can make it
cursive stone
Ugh I found every class trainer but mage in dalaran XD
Anyone know where the mage trainer is in Dal? WAnna learn the Teleport before leaving
cursive stone
Ah I thought the portal trainer was near the mage trainer XD
Thats why I asked but I shoulda asked for the portal trainer XD
prime elbow
class trainers doesnt teach spells/abilities anymore. hasnt for a long time
cursive stone
Ah ok. WEll do you know where the Portal TRainer is by chance?
prime elbow
a guard should tell you
cursive stone
I can't find it on there or I wouldnt of asked on here XD
prime elbow
old or new?
prime elbow
no.... old or new dalaran
prime elbow
prime elbow
they are still lvl restricted, yes