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old zinc
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YEAH

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That kills me too xD

true ingot
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....flying turtle?!?

noble carbon
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.... @noble carbon but..you asked how to level up fast...
@true ingot yeah I just thought besides quest but anw thanks for the help appreciate that really

static drum
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how do I do mythic dungeons

old zinc
true ingot
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not in wow though....

old zinc
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Nope

gray blade
pallid fulcrum
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I still dont know what animal its supposed to be lmfao

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A seal? A polar bear?

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A white dog?

gray blade
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wait

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its supossed to be an animal?

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it looks like a face

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a human face without nose

pallid fulcrum
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I mean i think its an animal LOL

gray blade
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then I've been looking at it wrong

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jeez

cobalt flint
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I think it's a seal.

dim sigil
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I always thought it was a polar bear and now you've ruined it for me

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It's probably cake

true ingot
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it's a seal

pallid fulcrum
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Why isnt it a paladin ability then

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Hunters dont have seals

true ingot
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because its an explosive seal

cobalt flint
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Seal represents an animal that probably is not going to hurt you.

pallid fulcrum
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But seals are dangerous DANGEROUS DANGEROUS

dim sigil
old zinc
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Sounds like penguin propaganda

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seals are innocent critters

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wouldn't hurt a soul

rocky pawn
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im blind, when i play horde theres a horde symbol over Magambala (or something) that shows me where the pvp stuff is
but i cant seem to find it for alliance?

old zinc
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It's in the Ashvane Docks somewhere

golden ember
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So i was doing My warlock campaign and im stuck on the next step where it isnt giving me any quests?

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the last quest i did was something to do with giving someone a potion, i googled the steps on Wowhead and i cant find the next step

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i did some valsharah quest line with the 3 archdruids and then im not getting anymore there :/ anyone wanna help me out?

fast pebble
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omfg i love ur pfp @golden ember

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also what warlock campaign

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the mount part

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or the weapons

burnt sentinel
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@golden ember what level are you?

golden ember
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120

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@fast pebble there is a mount part?! how do i do that/start it xD

fast pebble
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its on the broken shore

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but its a really long questline

golden ember
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whats the mount called?

fast pebble
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but u get a cool horse catuwu

burnt sentinel
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thats after you finish the campaign and finish the brokenshore campaign though

golden ember
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Oh

fast pebble
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netherlords dreadsteed

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potato

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if u press M

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do u see like a quest marker

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on the map?

burnt sentinel
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what quest did you just do?

fast pebble
golden ember
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i figured it out 3 mins ago i didnt have my trivial quest tracker on lol

burnt sentinel
golden ember
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im doing the questline for the title

burnt sentinel
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ah

golden ember
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Do monks get a mount?

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for completing the campaign and the brokenshore campaign?

burnt sentinel
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yeah

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all classes do

golden ember
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whats it called?

burnt sentinel
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uhhh

golden ember
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because im halfway done with that

burnt sentinel
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ban lu?

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iirc

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yes

real sigil
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yup

golden ember
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O m g

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i already have grandmaster so

real sigil
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he talks to you too

burnt sentinel
golden ember
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WHAT

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BRUH

burnt sentinel
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yeah

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i think like

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3 of the artifacts also talk to you

golden ember
fast pebble
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hol up what

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why does warrior get a shitty reskinned protodrake then

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and monks mount talks

burnt sentinel
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because

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"fuck you thats why"-activision-blizzard

golden ember
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lol

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So do i need to complete all the chapters in brokenshores?

raw eagle
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yo does squirt spawn today?

neon cedar
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only EU apparently

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@raw eagle

silent hatch
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hello... how to get to deadwind pass dalaran? i went to stormwind keep and theres no portal there or anyone to talk to.. i went to both of the other dalaran and theres no way either and i talked to everyone in both violet citadel and nothing :// im stuck and i tried cancelling the quest a few times and picking it up again and still nothing?

pallid fulcrum
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Deadwind Pass is directly east of Duskwood. Just go to Stormwind, visit the region south of it, and go east.

short frost
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@silent hatch yeah just fly there from Stormwind

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it's not far

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pretty sure there is also an NPC in the mage tower to teleport you there

silent hatch
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ah i forgot to mention, i flew to deadwind pass as well and there was nothing there either. there was a circle on the map but it was empty with just a bunch of mobs? i'll check it again though. been at it for three days and i'm scared my game glitched

short frost
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the city is flying in the sky ๐Ÿ˜‰

silent hatch
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oh my goshhh! thank you!!! i'll check above.. legit searched everywhere but no one ever mentioned this. lmao

short frost
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it's kind of a commonly known thing that Dalaran is the "flying city" in wow - even the movie had it ๐Ÿ˜›

pallid fulcrum
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Where are the wings that make it fly

keen pewter
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Well, afterall Warcraft drinks from D&D

short frost
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the wings arent visible in this shot I guess

cobalt flint
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It's magic. Ain't no need to explain it.

pallid fulcrum
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How can it fly without wings tho

cobalt flint
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I just said it

short frost
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it doesn't really fly I guess

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it just hangs there

keen pewter
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It levitates

modern herald
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it's essentially the hogwarts of WoW, magic is the norm there

pallid fulcrum
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I'd love a Harry Potter move set in America tbh

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I bet it'd be terrible

real marsh
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Can i still grind these out? I am aware they have a very low drop chance
-Thundering Onyx Cloud Serpent
-Pureblood Firehawk
-Drake Of The four Winds

real sigil
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yup

short frost
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wowhead should have more info

real marsh
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im sorry what is wowhead? is it a website of some sort or a discord server

short frost
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it's a website

keen pewter
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How exactly did you arrive here @real marsh ?

short frost
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you should check it out

real marsh
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i looked up world of warcraft lol

short frost
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it has all data about the game

real marsh
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alright thanks

short frost
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(this is the Discord associated with the website ๐Ÿ˜› )

keen pewter
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I'm playing SP for the first time but I don't see my (in)sanity thing on elvui, can anyone give me some indications on how to enable it?

pallid fulcrum
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Yeah that's your insanity

keen pewter
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Oh okay

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I was trying to look for like a combo thing a la rogue

pallid fulcrum
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Do spriests not have mana anymore?

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Where's ya blue bar

keen pewter
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No mana

pallid fulcrum
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How do they shadow mend?

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I thought that took mana

keen pewter
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I mean, power word shield costs mana

pallid fulcrum
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Hmmmmmmmmm

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I sometimes miss ElvUi

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It's so slick

keen pewter
pallid fulcrum
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But I love Bartender too much to give up my blessed vanilla UI

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So comfy

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Old character though sweating

keen pewter
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Yeah I don't really dig that so I've stuck with elvui for a while

pallid fulcrum
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I've always gotten aggressive nostalgia for the vanilla UI, but there's a reason people use ElvUI

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It's basically perfect

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Like I don't think they could physically improve on it at all

keen pewter
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It doesn't seem I'm able to show mana with elvui, having insanity power bar

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I don't think I'm gonna run out of it tho?

pallid fulcrum
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Healing does take quite a bit of mana.

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You shouls be able to though. thinktauren

keen pewter
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I see I'm able to show up mana if I custom the text format thing

pallid fulcrum
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Hmmm

keen pewter
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I might need to tweak it a bit

pallid fulcrum
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I wonder if I have any screens of my UI from my Paladin

keen pewter
pallid fulcrum
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Guess i dont, sad

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Also YIKES

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I get so triggered by screen clutter

keen pewter
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insanity is always 0-100, right?

pallid fulcrum
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Yeah

keen pewter
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I can disable the % for it

storm onyx
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might be just me but i don't like that font

keen pewter
pallid fulcrum
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That's the magic

keen pewter
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I might change the font Kurls. I'm kinda redoing all my shit?

pallid fulcrum
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I like the standard ELVUI font

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The very crisp and clean one

keen pewter
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I'm using PT Sans Narrow. IDK which one is the default one

pallid fulcrum
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Uhhhhh

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It should have ElvUI in the name I think?

keen pewter
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idk why is always so hard to find ANYTHING on elvui config -_-

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Okay, the font I use for the unitframe is Liberation Sans

soft maple
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got a question regarding after the prepatch, after the rep req for allieds is gone:
if i do the achievement for an allied race (highmountain for example), can i then do the recruitment quests on a different character?

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(please ping me if responding to this or i wont see it)

gilded sandal
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What's a good grind spot for echo's of mortality if you have ilevel of 388

pallid fulcrum
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Blood Gate in Zuldazar, the northern spot.

gilded sandal
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I tried that spot but I don't really kill them that fast

cunning depot
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do you get marks of honor per honor level up?

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if so, how much do you get per level?

viscid nimbus
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No. You get Marks of Honour from participating in Battlegrounds, mostly.

pallid fulcrum
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Marks of Honour come from PvP. Won arenas, BGs, etc.

gilded sandal
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How many echo of mortality can I get in one day

maiden surge
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Unlimited luster

tall fox
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Can I map the button above 2?

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Or will I need to get an addon for that

real sigil
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should be under action bars in the keybindings

tall fox
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I looked and didnt see anything

real sigil
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multi actionbar

pallid fulcrum
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Be excited for Shadowlands where they're adding quickbinding finally

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No more finangling with that unintuitive key bindings panel

tall fox
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ah

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thank you

coral bloom
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If I buy a subscription and cancel it immediately do I still get the month but without the recurring payment or should I cancel it when it comes around

real sigil
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both, either one

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you can sub, cancel and still keep the time

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you can also buy a gametime card to bypass that completely, if you prefer

rocky pawn
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can you still get Shadowmourne

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and can you mog the final version

keen pewter
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You can still get Shadowmourne and almost all the other legendary weapons @rocky pawn

rocky pawn
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awesome ty!

keen pewter
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It's quite the questline ๐Ÿ™‚

rocky pawn
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another question while on the topic, does anyone know what happened to the three transmog cosmetic helmets you used to be able to buy off the shop?

keen pewter
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IDK what else, but I know the staff of medivh can't be got

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no idea, I'm a druid

rocky pawn
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quite the questline but im doin ICC every week anyway so fuck it

real sigil
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the helmets they removed uh.. good couple of months ago now, for whatever reason; don't think they actually explained why

rocky pawn
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wtf thats stupid ive always wanted that frost helmet

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oh well, not out of the usual for blizzard, ty macho

real sigil
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yeah no worries

main bramble
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hello, i am thinking about getting the game can anyone answear some of my questions

keen pewter
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We can

main bramble
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I know this game is an mmo but what do you do in it?

keen pewter
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Uhm

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Actually plenty of shit ๐Ÿค”

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Aside of Questing and Raiding/Dungeoning

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There'res lots of side-stuff

main bramble
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is there a campaign?

keen pewter
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Profesion wise and pet battle wise and collectors wise

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well, the game is the whole campaign on itself

main bramble
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Is there dlc's ? and if so how much are they

keen pewter
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Expansions more than DLCs

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They tend to get included on the price for no extra cost

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Shadowlands is dropping in a month, so Battle For Azeroth might become free to play alongside the others

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So you'd only need to get the subscriptiong and shadowlands

main bramble
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hmm, i think the only things that have negated me from playing is the fact that it's a subscription based game and the graphics obviously arent the best

keen pewter
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The graphics are good though

tight elbow
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The graphics are fucking amazing

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Stylized > Realistic

main bramble
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Is the subscription like a netflix or hulu subscription? because i keep seeing the word "game time" so does that mean like actually in game playing or just like after some amount of time it goes away even if you arent playing?

keen pewter
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it's like netflix yeah

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they say gametime but it's a bit bs lol

main bramble
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Damn, how much is it

keen pewter
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I wish it was 30 days of gametime

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uh, idk

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around 15 usd?

main bramble
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thats not bad

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Is there a lot of endgame activity?

keen pewter
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You can just play trial and see if you like it

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yeah

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Tho it varies from patch to patch

tight elbow
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It gets cheaper per month if you do the larger sub models

main bramble
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Oh there's trial?

tight elbow
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I would wait for the prepatch to drop before you do the trial

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Because the trial lasts for 20 lvls regardless of the level squish, meaning you will experience more of the game in that time

keen pewter
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yeah prepatch is gooooooooooood for new players

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Wait really?

tight elbow
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Yes

keen pewter
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Even better!

main bramble
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When is prepatch

tight elbow
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They are not squishing the trial lvl

keen pewter
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Hopefully the 29th

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But no confirmation

tight elbow
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Either this tuesday or the 6th

keen pewter
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yeah prepatch is gooooooooooood for new players
It adds a new zone for 1-10

main bramble
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Are there like raids? like in destiny 2?

keen pewter
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To teach how to play

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yeah

tight elbow
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Much better raids than Destiny 2

real sigil
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yes; usually 10 / 25 players

tight elbow
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Actual raids

keen pewter
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but unlike destiny 2, you can use the dungeon & raid finder XD

main bramble
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Damn, you said graphics are good, but everything i've seen looks kinda old

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i know it's old game?

keen pewter
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Probs you saw old pics

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Every expansion is better than the previous one ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

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Game is 16 years old

tight elbow
main bramble
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holy shit, fov is so high lol

keen pewter
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yeah you can change that

tight elbow
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Damn, you said graphics are good, but everything i've seen looks kinda old
@main bramble The graphics are great in WoW. They have gotten progressively better over the years, and each xpac increases that.

keen pewter
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It's not that zoomed out normally

main bramble
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Is it like a looter type game?

tight elbow
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No

keen pewter
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Nah, I mean

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it has loot and shit

main bramble
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oh so there aren't like different weapons?

keen pewter
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but it's not destiny 2

tight elbow
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oh so there aren't like different weapons?
@main bramble There is a lot of different weapons, but the games loot system is nothing like, say Borderlands.

keen pewter
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Your class/spec defines what you cast/do, not your weapon

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(to a certain extend)

tight elbow
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Bosses drop items from a fixed loot table assigned to that boss

main bramble
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Oh, i've actually never played borderlands. but i know what you mean. what is all that stuff at the bottom of his screen?

tight elbow
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That is his action bar

main bramble
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Those are active skills?

tight elbow
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Yes. His Classes/Specs abilities, consumables from his bag, etc

real sigil
keen pewter
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It's also like, the highest difficulty setting of the latest raid

plush sorrel
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It looks quite hard to understand but while leveling one character you basically learn everything about a certain class

main bramble
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What the fuck?? there's so much stuff in the game

tight elbow
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Mhmm

keen pewter
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16 years old game man!

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๐Ÿ˜‚

plush sorrel
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It's a big and long running game

tight elbow
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It is the biggest MMO

main bramble
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How can he keep track of each and every skill?

keen pewter
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Wow has a niche for every type of player

tight elbow
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16 years and still going strong

keen pewter
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Well, you get used to it

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Not all the buttons are necesary for the whole fight either

plush sorrel
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As I said. As you level it spoon feeds you skills

keen pewter
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Plus the conditionals/positionals

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etc

plush sorrel
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So at the end you comprehend what does what and how you use it

main bramble
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my favorite games are Monster hunter world, destiny 2, and diablo 3. So ive never played a game like that

tight elbow
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As I said. As you level it spoon feeds you skills
This. This can't be emphasised enough.

keen pewter
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One button there revives a death player, you might not need it most of the time but when you need it you want to find it fast

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etc

main bramble
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is that a raid?

keen pewter
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yes

main bramble
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like an endgame activity that requires mechanic knowledge?

keen pewter
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Yup.

tight elbow
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The knowledge you gain from leveling cant be emphasised enough

main bramble
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Is that the hardest one?

keen pewter
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Yep

tight elbow
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That is the Mythic version of the last boss of the current raid

main bramble
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how much game time do you have?

keen pewter
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Uhmm

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Around 120 days on my main?

tight elbow
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I have been playing off and on since Wrath of the Lich King

keen pewter
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Kinda the same for me, yeah

main bramble
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Do you guys bvuy one month at a time or like a year

keen pewter
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I tend to buy big packs, they are a bit cheaper per month

tight elbow
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I am on the 6 month sub

main bramble
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what is the max level? is it 20

real sigil
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i wouldn't advise you to buy big at the start; buy a month and see how you feel first

keen pewter
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now, 120

tight elbow
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120

keen pewter
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In a week or two, 60

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Yep, confusing

tight elbow
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^

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They are doing a lvl squish to combat the bloat the game has seen over the years

real sigil
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technically 50 in a week or so then it goes to 60 with SL but yes

keen pewter
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Right, mb

main bramble
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So i should definitely wait for prepatch?

keen pewter
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Yeah, imho

tight elbow
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New players see 120 and think it is so daunting, all they want to do is play with their friends

keen pewter
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I think it will def be a really good new player experience

tight elbow
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So i should definitely wait for prepatch?
@main bramble Yes. You'll receive a much better feel for the game once pre-patch drops

keen pewter
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I mean, they're removing experience benefits for older players

main bramble
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Yeah well, i don't really have friends but i love playing with others so thats why i like mmo's

keen pewter
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That's how fast you can level up naturally on the new system

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So fast that even older players won't need extra benefits to not get bored of it

main bramble
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hmm

keen pewter
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So, if it's as good as promised, it will be really good.

main bramble
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are there classes?

keen pewter
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ye

main bramble
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How many?

tight elbow
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So fast that even older players won't need extra benefits to not get bored of it
@keen pewter This is actually something I am looking forward too. Def going to be lvling without looms from now on. Enjoying the lvling and the gear that drops too

keen pewter
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Uuuh

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let me count , sec

modern herald
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12 classes with 3 specs each

keen pewter
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Oh

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Sela knows ๐Ÿ˜„

main bramble
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jeeps

modern herald
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(except Druid and DH which has 4 and 2 respectively)

keen pewter
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11 classes with 3 specs-

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that ๐Ÿ˜„

main bramble
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is everything viable or not?

keen pewter
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I forgot DH was 2 lul

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yeah

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Maybe not viable for trying to do "progresion raiding"

main bramble
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like in diablo only 3 builds for each class is viable

keen pewter
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But they're all good and viable

main bramble
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What do you play

tight elbow
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is everything viable or not?
@main bramble To certain extents. They vary from patch to patch, depending on the balancing

main bramble
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what's your favorite

keen pewter
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(prog raiding is like, trying to beat a boss before anyone else on the world does)

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Tauren Druid ๐Ÿ˜„

tight elbow
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Hunter

keen pewter
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Tauren being the race

tight elbow
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I play a Pandaren Hunter

main bramble
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One sec imma look them up and see which one i like

keen pewter
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What do you play on diablo 3?

main bramble
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I played barbarian and necromancer

real sigil
keen pewter
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So warrior or...

main bramble
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summoner

real sigil
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can look here for classes, the sites real good

main bramble
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i suppose

keen pewter
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IDK what necromancer would be XD

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warlock I guess?

real sigil
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warlock i guess yeah

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or DK

keen pewter
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(I've played d3 quite a bit too ๐Ÿ˜„ )

main bramble
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Necro is a summoner/cursed type guy

real sigil
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DK's closer to D3 necro

keen pewter
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True

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But more melee

tight elbow
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I played barbarian and necromancer
@main bramble Fury warrior for Barbarian and Unholy Death Knight for Necromancer

main bramble
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I like tanks the best

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in games

keen pewter
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Paladin, Warrior, Druid can tank

main bramble
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Is there armor ?

keen pewter
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And DK and DH

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Yes but not really like diablo 3

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The gear system is a bit diff

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Less rng and more rng at the same time

main bramble
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So can you make like builds?

keen pewter
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yeah but it's a bit more limited than d3

real sigil
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like each spec / class will need specific items to perform decently

keen pewter
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Some classes like haste more, others prefer critical strike

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So, diablo 3 has spells+runes

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Wow has talents instead

main bramble
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So how is an account from a new player and account from an old player different? like what more does the old player have than the new one

keen pewter
real sigil
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(Think the different classes / talents in Destiny 2 if it makes it easier)

keen pewter
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So, 7x3 choices

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ye

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Macho that's a good analogy

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Some talents are passives, others are spells proper

main bramble
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hmm, there's pvp?

keen pewter
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Yeah

real sigil
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yup

main bramble
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Is it prevelent?

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or does no oneplay it

tight elbow
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So how is an account from a new player and account from an old player different? like what more does the old player have than the new one
@main bramble Knowledge, mounts, titles, game experience, armor/weapon appearances

real sigil
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yeah its big

keen pewter
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It's pretty big

real sigil
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pvp's real fucking popular

main bramble
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What is a mount

real sigil
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like a sparrow

main bramble
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ooh

keen pewter
real sigil
keen pewter
real sigil
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there's.. a lot

main bramble
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Ooh yeah, i think i say a fuckin pegasus or some flying horse

real sigil
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yeah

main bramble
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bad ass

keen pewter
main bramble
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Have you heard of Ashes of creation

tight elbow
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Ew

keen pewter
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I have heard of it, cuz it's a popular benchmark xD

main bramble
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I'm excited for it

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it looks cool

tight elbow
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Yeaaaah, I'm not

main bramble
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But just like wow it's a subscription based

keen pewter
tight elbow
keen pewter
#

If that gives you a clue on the content

main bramble
#

dude...

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Is that a dragon?

keen pewter
#

A chinese-based dragon, yes

main bramble
#

I'm in.

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I'm downloading now

keen pewter
#

Oh, there're LOT of dragons

tight elbow
#

lol

main bramble
#

there's 500 mounts?

keen pewter
#

More

main bramble
#

How did you get that chinese dragon

tight elbow
#

My dudes, never underestimate the power of the Cloud Serpents uwu

keen pewter
#

there're several of those dragons

tight elbow
#

This one is from an exalted reputation

keen pewter
#

Some reputation, some loot, some paid with ingame currency?

main bramble
#

Do you guys play on steam?

tight elbow
#

WoW isnt on Steam

main bramble
#

oh whats it on

real sigil
tight elbow
keen pewter
#

(Blizzard)

tight elbow
#

It is Blizzards own platform

main bramble
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damn that sucks, i have like 60bucks in my steam wallet

tight elbow
#

WoW is free to download

keen pewter
main bramble
#

Yeah it's downloading

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i just started

tight elbow
#

You can pay legit 15 buck for the entire game (except current expac)

keen pewter
#

per month

tight elbow
#

15 for 16 years of content is a steal

main bramble
tight elbow
#

per month
@keen pewter Thats what I meeant -;.-

keen pewter
#

For me, 70GB

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But I think it's around 60GB fresh?

main bramble
#

hmm, have you guys played Elder scrolls online

tight elbow
#

I have

keen pewter
#

Not myself

main bramble
#

Do you like it?

tight elbow
#

I have played ESO, SWTOR, FFXIV

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I did not

main bramble
#

What swtor

keen pewter
#

star wars mmo

tight elbow
#

Star Wars: The Old Republic

main bramble
#

sounds bad

keen pewter
#

the launcher is tragically bad

main bramble
#

i don't like star wars

keen pewter
#

idk about the game X)

tight elbow
#

i don't like star wars
@main bramble I have been a Star Wars nerd for a long time and honestly EA and Disney have done a lot of make me dislike the universed I loved so much

main bramble
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I thought about playing final fantasy xiv but the game is $20+sub fee

keen pewter
#

ffxiv are somehow not really competitors themselves

main bramble
#

i watched some of star wars movie but didn't like it

keen pewter
#

They are similar but different enough

tight elbow
#

I fucking have a signed copy of Dark Empire, signed by Ian MacDiarmid

main bramble
#

I forget which one i watched because i didn't even know what order to watch it in

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i thinki watched the phantom menace

#

Thank you guys for helping me out, do you mind if i add you guys on battle.net ? if not it's cool.

real sigil
#

it's region-based so uh, unless you're EU then I can't

main bramble
#

I'm NA

keen pewter
#

I mean, I don't mind but you can always ask for help here if you need it

#

Intervenciรณn#2423

real sigil
#

could even drop him a recruit a friend code and get something from it too tbh

keen pewter
#

I'm just returning after a three years break

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Oh right that exists

main bramble
#

Ok i sent it

#

Do you know about how many people are on usually? like is it hard to find people to play with?

real sigil
#

not at all

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currently it might be because we're -just- before a major expansion

keen pewter
real sigil
#

but in the next week or so there'll be a fuckton more

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so many people are coming back

main bramble
#

whats the new dlc?

real sigil
#

shadowlands

main bramble
#

Are there different worlds in the game? like in d2 there is Io, Nessus, EDZ

keen pewter
#

yeah

main bramble
#

do you know how amny

keen pewter
#

Tho wow works more with continents

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We have two planets and an alternate timeline

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Plus the continents on the main planet

real sigil
#

and within those areas are uh

keen pewter
#

Map's big.

real sigil
#

and then there's more -within- those

keen pewter
real sigil
#

(i cant show a good image because addons)

#

but yes, there's a lot

main bramble
#

So three worlds and multiple areas on each world

keen pewter
#

multiple multiple areas, yeah

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Azeroth is the main thing

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The others are kinda just been used for one expansion (DLC) each

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(Draenor and Outland)

main bramble
#

Whats the difference between a raid and a dungeon

keen pewter
#

But a Destiny 2 planet is like, two-three zones of Outland size wise

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Dungeon is 5 people

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Raid is 10 to 25

real sigil
#

dungeon is a strike, raid is a.. raid

keen pewter
#

(flexible)

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Or that X)

main bramble
#

this is a stupid question but are there titles ? like in destiny ?

real sigil
#

yup

main bramble
#

My favorite thing in destiny has always been going for titles

real sigil
#

there's lots

tight elbow
#

In case ya do buy a sub uwu

#

;3

keen pewter
#

Ha, I got snipped I guess xD

tight elbow
#

hehehehe

main bramble
#

i want blackwings bane

#

is it hard

tight elbow
#

God no xD

real sigil
#

nah not at all

main bramble
#

whats the hardest one

tight elbow
#

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

keen pewter
#

Well, it depends XD

real sigil
#

usually some of the raid related one's are

tight elbow
#

Fuck, it used to be the Insane title

keen pewter
#

Hard to answer than objectively

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insane post-nerf is easy

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Just grindy

tight elbow
#

Yup

keen pewter
#

pre-nerf,, well

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I didn't do it

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That's how bad it was

tight elbow
#

Pre-nerf, well, there is a reason it is called Insane

main bramble
#

Is this game very RNG based? to get items and stuff

keen pewter
#

Can be xD

#

I mean, yes

main bramble
#

nice

keen pewter
#

But I think they're fixing a bit of the bad parts of it?

#

Level of the loot, your gear, here depends on the difficulty of the content

real sigil
#

they're making it easier to get items, yeah

keen pewter
#

And of the content itself

#

It's not like destiny 2 which you need to grind for every bit of light x)

#

Let's say dungeon number 3 at the second difficulty drops items of level 50

main bramble
#

yeah tbh i for some reason hate almost everything in destiny, like strikes and crucible. But it's my favorite game

keen pewter
#

And the same dungeon at third difficulty drops the same items but at level 75

main bramble
#

something about it

keen pewter
#

To get an idea

#

Plus some titanforging, though I don't know to what sources it gets applied?

#

it's rng over the loot, kinda shitty

main bramble
#

hmm, do you have all the expansions

tight elbow
#

Yes

#

They are baked into the sub

#

All except current content

main bramble
#

this says for all of then it is 144

#

usd

real sigil
#

its a bundle with the two current expansions needed

keen pewter
#

That's probs wrong

real sigil
#

don't buy it

keen pewter
#

Wait, that exists?

real sigil
#

you only need a basic sub

#

yeah the complete edition or something

keen pewter
#

wow

real sigil
#

comes with BFA and heroic SL

keen pewter
#

#ThanksBlizzard

main bramble
#

So if i get basic subscription then i can play shadowlands?

#

or no

real sigil
#

no

keen pewter
#

No

#

It's like forsaken

main bramble
#

so i do need to buy it

real sigil
#

you'd need to buy shadowlands, but at the minute you'd be set with just a basic sub

#

the games in a tricky place right now because we're weeks away from major updates

main bramble
#

Is shadow lands the only one?

keen pewter
#

Like, 4 weeks away

real sigil
#

it -will- be in a month

main bramble
#

only one that costs money?

keen pewter
#

Probably will be just the one, yes

main bramble
#

damn i wonder what this bundle is then

keen pewter
#

Blizzard being scummy.

real sigil
#

basically a scam

main bramble
#

Includes everything in the Complete Collection Heroic Edition, plus an additional 30 days of game time (60 days total), the Anima Wyrmling pet, an otherworldly Eternal Travelerโ€™s effect for your Hearthstone, and Illusion: Wraithchill, a cosmetic effect for your weapon. As with other Illusions, Wraithchill cannot be applied to certain weapon types.

#

thats what it is

#

so 2 months and cosmetics

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;-;

real sigil
#

yeah, it's everything you'd need, but also includes an expansion you shouldn't need to buy soon

#

like we said, you'll be fine with a basic months sub right now

main bramble
#

for sure

real sigil
#

can worry about the expansion later when HOPEFULLY it becomes clearer

#

because it's a fucking mess right now

keen pewter
#

transitions are tricky X)

real sigil
#

yeah

tight elbow
#

Includes everything in the Complete Collection Heroic Edition, plus an additional 30 days of game time (60 days total), the Anima Wyrmling pet, an otherworldly Eternal Travelerโ€™s effect for your Hearthstone, and Illusion: Wraithchill, a cosmetic effect for your weapon. As with other Illusions, Wraithchill cannot be applied to certain weapon types.
@main bramble This is aimed at moreso the veteran playerbase, not newbies

main bramble
#

90 usd for 6 months

#

oof

real sigil
#

i'd say just get the 1 month to get you going

#

see if you like the game first

main bramble
#

then get the 3 moths if i do

real sigil
#

thats up to you honestly

main bramble
#

Month*

real sigil
#

hell you can play the trial up to level 20 and see that way before you buy

keen pewter
#

You could try the trial before deciding anything (I know you're downloading it)

main bramble
#

Is there any pay to win in the game? like i really wanted to play BDO but that shit is surreal

keen pewter
#

Nope

real sigil
#

not really no

keen pewter
#

You either are good or you aren't ๐Ÿ˜‚

main bramble
#

lol

real sigil
#

you can buy in-game gold for real life money but that's not gonna help you all that much

keen pewter
#

(gear helps but you can't buy gear directly)

main bramble
#

Are there seasons?

keen pewter
#

PVP seasons, yes

#

No PVE seasons though

main bramble
#

not pve?

real sigil
#

there's pvp seasons, nothing like the season-pass model of destiny

main bramble
#

hmm

real sigil
#

content just comes out when it does

#

always free

keen pewter
#

Ye^

real sigil
#

(within the expansion)

keen pewter
#

PVP has seasons because it encourages playing it

real sigil
#

you won't be spending any more money other than the expansion cost

keen pewter
#

It's more similar to the season-pass of destiny 2

real sigil
#

and sub, obviously

keen pewter
#

But free too

main bramble
#

I'm suprised that the pvp is a big thing. Most pve games that try to do pvp fuck it up.

keen pewter
#

Well, it's pretty separated

#

So that's kinda why

real sigil
#

they're really good with the pvp scene, sometimes it can be a little fucky but.. it holds a strong following

keen pewter
#

Some stuff works one way on pve and another on pvp

#

To keep balance and fun around

tight elbow
#

@main bramble Click my link so I get fun rewards uwu

main bramble
#

what link

keen pewter
#

Both inviter and invitee get rewards

#

Tho I think they get better on shadowlands

plush sorrel
#

God dammit

#

Of course you slither a referral link

tight elbow
plush sorrel
#

Smh

tight elbow
#

Of course you slither a referral link
@plush sorrel >:)

plush sorrel
#

Shameless

tight elbow
#

Of course

#

I like the shinies

#

uwu

#

Plus, I want that Refer a friend mount and tmog set

main bramble
#

What does uwu mean?

tight elbow
#

It is furry speak, just being cutesy and silly

#

uwu

keen pewter
#

It's furry for " Please look for my parents, I'm 12 "

main bramble
#

lol

#

what is wowhead premium

real sigil
#

thats just for the website

keen pewter
#

adfree for the site

plush sorrel
#

It's basically useless if you have adblock though

main bramble
#

why not just use an adblock?

plush sorrel
#

Shhh

main bramble
#

oohh

#

probably just to support developers

#

Well, thanks help i will for sure get the game

tight elbow
#

It's furry for " Please look for my parents, I'm 12 "
@keen pewter Bruh

keen pewter
#

รฒwรณ

tight elbow
#

I will spank your twink ass

real sigil
#

can always ask questions in here if you need to @main bramble there's usually people around that'll help

tight elbow
#

^

main bramble
#

Thanks, i will probably try to post in the lfg to see if anyone wants to play

#

Hey, is it hard to run?

#

like on a pc

keen pewter
#

uhm

#

The minimum is pretty low

main bramble
#

What gpu do you have

real sigil
#

if you can run destiny 2, you can probably safely run WoW

main bramble
#

ok

keen pewter
real sigil
#

this game's made to run on toasters and all the way up to high-end stuff

thorn bluff
#

Are heirlooms losing exp buffs in prepatch or shadowlands launch?

keen pewter
#

Prepatch

#

Prepatch is basically shadowlands launch but w/o the new regions

thorn bluff
#

dang okay

keen pewter
#

It's quite the fps drop whenever I mouseover it, probs because of it

jade field
#

Whatโ€™s a good melee class for shadowlands?

keen pewter
#

Well, I've disabled it directly from the LUA files XD But I hope it can be disabled somewhere on the config...

tall fox
#

Is deathknight noon friendly?

keen pewter
#

What do you mean?

tall fox
#

Noob*

keen pewter
#

Well, all classes are

tall fox
#

Yeah ig your right

keen pewter
#

DK has a more streamlined "learn this class" though

#

Because it has its own initial questline

#

Which explains what does X spell do etc

#

(more or less)

tall fox
#

I see

#

I was jw cuz I saw death knights are gonna be better with a 2h weapons and 2h weapons are the bomb

main bramble
#

If i get the plain game time, do i get battle for azeroth?

keen pewter
#

We don't know yet @main bramble

#

We hope it gets included by the time prepatch releases

real sigil
#

at the minute no, in a few weeks, maybe

main bramble
#

ooh, well i'm already level 12 so i might buy complete collection heroic edition

#

will give me character boosts, game time, all expansions including battle for azeroth and shadowlands

real sigil
#

Yeah, but.. BFA might go free. It's up to you if you can afford it but

#

BFA is ending in just under a month

main bramble
#

Ending? so the content will be vaulted?

real sigil
#

no, just not relevant in end-game

keen pewter
#

ending as in superseding, more or less

main bramble
#

So, is there a campaign?

#

i know it's a stupid question

#

right now im just doing some quests -scut work-

keen pewter
#

yeah, that's the game

real sigil
#

the whole game is basically an endless campaign, some expansions have more structured storylines to go through

main bramble
#

So the "endgame" is raids and dungeons

#

?

keen pewter
#

raids

real sigil
#

yup

keen pewter
#

yes

real sigil
#

raids, mythics, pvp

main bramble
#

Mythics?

real sigil
#

whatever else you want really

#

they're uh.. think grandmaster nightfalls

main bramble
#

ooh

real sigil
#

(destiny stole the idea technically)

main bramble
#

lol

real sigil
#

its much harder dungeons with specific modifiers

main bramble
#

taking me a moment to get used to these controls

#

very odd

keen pewter
#

And mythic+ but you don't have to worry about that

main bramble
#

nice, thanks

#

Once again, probably a broad question but. is there anything i HAVE to do until i can do raids and dungeons?

real sigil
#

gear up mostly

#

that's.. about it

main bramble
#

Is there like power?

keen pewter
#

Just gear, iLVL is like the light I guess

real sigil
#

yeah

keen pewter
#

iLVL being itemLevel

#

Which is self explanatory xD

real sigil
keen pewter
#

(It's exactly like light)

main bramble
#

ooh,

keen pewter
#

So yeah, average of the gear level

#

Some content is gated behind some numbers

#

But you're still VERY far from it

main bramble
#

what is your item level

keen pewter
#

IDK, I'm not subbed yet

#

But it will get squished anyways

main bramble
#

Oh you don't play the game?

keen pewter
#

I took a three years break, I'm returning as soon as the prepatch drops

main bramble
#

oh, so maybe i should wait to buy that collection pack after the Prepatch.

keen pewter
#

Yeah

#

We're all hoping BfA, current expansion, gets bundled to the subscription

main bramble
#

Maybe i should have waited to download the game until the prepatch lol

keen pewter
#

Legion, previous expansion to BfA, got bundled when BfA prepatch dropped

#

So we're here hoping xD

main bramble
#

hmm

#

max level will be 60 next

keen pewter
#

Yeah.

main bramble
#

so damn, a lot will be changing

keen pewter
#

ye

main bramble
#

i came at the best and worst time

keen pewter
real sigil
#

yup.

keen pewter
#

If you want a bit of a sneak peak

#

Macho, how will we farm old content on shl? ๐Ÿค” I'm worried about farming being slow and painful

main bramble
#

what does that mean?

keen pewter
#

It means I can avoid the bullshit xD

real sigil
#

I'm hoping gear just bypasses most of it. I honestly don't know and it's been worrying me

#

like raids and stuff still have their max cap, but.. I don't know how that applies since everything scales

#

unless expacs have a higher limit depending still

keen pewter
#

Well, I hope Blizz knows what they're doing

#

It's their third squish

#

second or third

#

But the first level one

minor crest
#

Having a hard time with this macro anyone willing to help? Basically when you are holy and disc priest you have dispel, when you switch to shadow its called dispel magic for some completely useless logic even though it does the same thing, I'm trying to make a macro that would do that spell no matter what spec but for some reason something is off with my syntax

/cast [@mouseover,spec:1] Purify [@mouseover,spec:2] Purify Disease

keen pewter
#

Any error at all @minor crest ?

#

Or it just doesn't work?

minor crest
#

Hmm I dunno, its being wonky, I fixed 1 syntax and added some more

#

but having a hard time test/casting it

#

/cast [@mouseover,spec:1,spec:2] Purify; [@mouseover,spec:3] Purify Disease

#

not sure if combining spec:1,spec:2 is a valid macro syntax

keen pewter
#

let me download ptr... I need a non-lvl20 capped char xd

minor crest
#

nvm I tested it and got it

#

I gues you cant combine specs

#

heres the correct code

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,spec:1] Purify; [@mouseover,spec:2] Purify; [@mouseover,spec:3] Purify Disease

keen pewter
#

Are you following any macro guide?

minor crest
#

No, I've been learning macros for the past month, I write pretty advanced macros now but still make errors sometimes

#

Here's an example of a really complex macro I wrote

/cast [@focus,noharm,nochanneling,mod:shift,combat][@mouseover,noharm,nochanneling,mod:shift,combat][@mouseover,harm,nodead,nochanneling,mod:alt][@targettarget,harm,nochanneling,mod:alt][@target,harm,nodead,nochanneling,mod:alt][@focustarget,harm,nochanneling,nodead,mod:alt] Penance

keen pewter
#

I've tried myself a bit of macro too, nothing that fancy tho

minor crest
#

Macro's are a must for me

keen pewter
#

As healer? yeah.

minor crest
#

I hate click targeting

keen pewter
#

But I'm a tank. Mooooo

#

๐Ÿ˜„

minor crest
#

with everything

#

I have macros for every class I play, every spell

#

its really annoying to set up but it's not that bad if you do it every time you learn a new skill

#

but every spell needs to be at minimum a mouseover for me

keen pewter
#

Check out World of Warcraft\_retail_\WTF\Account\Numbers#Number\Server\Character

#

There's a txt called macros-cache.txt

#

Maybe it's easier to work with the txts?

#

For the global macros is the same but on the Numbers#Number folder

jolly tree
#

The coma means "and" so for sure you can't say "spec 1 and spec 2" since you can't be both at the same time lol

keen pewter
#

Do you know if an or exists?

jolly tree
#

It's a bracket

#

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,spec:1] [@mouseover,spec:2] Purify; [@mouseover,spec:3] Purify Disease

This is what you wanted

minor crest
#

ahh nice, I did it the long way

#

thanks for that

#

I don't understand why but the tooltip isnt showing for this
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,help]Pain Suppression

keen pewter
#

I like to use #showtooltip too myself X D

#

I get lost otherwise

minor crest
#

When I remove the ,help it shows the tooltip, I guess WoW has a built in redundancy tester for the syntax and when there is a useless condition it error the tooltip even though the spell worked fine

keen pewter
#

What's the difference between

/cast [@mouseover,help]Pain Suppression```
&
```#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover][help]Pain Suppression```
?
forest lilyBOT
keen pewter
#

dear, shush

main bramble
#

Hey, do you know when i get my first mount ? if im honest this feels kind of boring so far because im really slow and i keep dying

#

and there's also no one else

neon cedar
#

@keen pewter the first is "mouseover if help" the second is a semantic if not syntax error

#

it'll just try to cast at mouseover or fail

true ingot
#

Level 20 for slowest mount speed @main bramble

keen pewter
#

Well, the second works

#

And shows the tooltip

main bramble
#

oh

#

i kinda feel like i am just running meaning less tasks

true ingot
#

err..

neon cedar
#

it'll work as long as you have a mouseover target

true ingot
#

..welcome to mmorpgs?

keen pewter
#

Idk how exactly the help conditional works

true ingot
#

if you think this is bad. try ff14 mmLOLMocha

neon cedar
#

the brackets list things to try, the @ determines the potential target and the commands are AND conditionals

#

if the conditions aren't met within one bracket set then the next bracket set is tried

#

[help] might imply @target, i'm not sure

forest lilyBOT
main bramble
#

sure but it doesnt even feel like an mmo

#

there is no one around

keen pewter
#

So technically if mouseover is false and the target is injured it would cast? On the second example

true ingot
#

yea...well thats sorta a side effect of everybody being obcessed about endgame

keen pewter
#

Nobody is really leveling before preptach either too

neon cedar
#

@minor crest i think you can do spec:1/2

main bramble
#

do your characters level get wiped after prepatfch

true ingot
#

minor lie. it depends on the zones/server. You can tell which ones are favs cuz you see people,.

#

Nope @main bramble

pallid fulcrum
#

there is no one around

It's the very tail end of an expansion and, like all major MMOs, you'll only really see lots of people in cities

true ingot
#

..well not on retail

pallid fulcrum
#

Wait until Shadowlands launches. The linearity of the new zones is gonna stuff them full of players and piss tons of people off haha.

neon cedar
#

/cast [@mouseover][help] Penance
says i need a target if i have no MO but have myself targetted

forest lilyBOT
true ingot
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@pallid fulcrum So...like every expansion?

keen pewter
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Try getting injured?

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I'm on bed already so I can't try myself

neon cedar
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so unless selfcast or something changes it, an @ with no conditions will always catch the cast, giving invalid target if applicable

pallid fulcrum
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Nah, BfA was faction split and both BfA and Legion let you choose which zone to start with. SL is entirely linear.

neon cedar
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help just means someone you can heal/buff, health % is irrelevant

keen pewter
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Surprising that showtooltip breaks on the first example then

neon cedar
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it wouldn't need a valid target to show the spell i think

keen pewter
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shrug

neon cedar
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i put that onto my bar and it shows the spell but says no target if i have no MO

keen pewter
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Yeah, now add , help to the bracket

true ingot
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who do you want it to cast on if you have no target?

neon cedar
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if you add the ,help then it can fail to match, and goes to a ? with no one under the cursor

keen pewter
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Yeah, that's surprising

neon cedar
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@true ingot i'm trying to help out with the macros they were talking about earlier, this isn't for me

keen pewter
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Because it's a value conditional afaik

true ingot
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ah

neon cedar
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i've already got macro templates XD

keen pewter
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If Mouserover and help, cast

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Oh well, gn7

neon cedar
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mouseover isn't an if

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it's just a target

true ingot
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..I always just use #showtooltip /cast [target=mouseover,help,nodead][help,nodead][target=player] Healing Touch - If you have a living, friendly mouseover, cast on that.
If not: if you have a living, friendly target, cast on that.
If none of those conditions are met: cast on yourself (player).

neon cedar
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my template is #showtooltip
/use [@player,mod:SELFCAST] [@player,btn:2] [@mouseover,help,nodead] [@target,help,nodead] [@focus,help,nodead] []

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darn bot ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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i don't like auto selfcast except on say a ret pally

keen pewter
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Yeah they shouldn't had written the bot like that lol should had been better if it started with some wildcard

true ingot
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I love auto selfcast cuz I can just swing my mouse over to edge of screen to self heal.

neon cedar
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i do that to put the spell on the cursor ๐Ÿ˜›

true ingot
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and I almost never use the target heal part of it, but it's there if I wanna target the tank like i would for focus cept less locked in

neon cedar
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i just hold alt if i'm healing myself

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though i did once have a targetted healing spell on F4 >.>

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cooldown*, ironbark i think

silent hatch
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if i unlock a weapon artifact, can i use it to transmog with a diff spec?

true ingot
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not currently

silent hatch
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oooh

true ingot
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I THINK that changes in SL

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Think being underlined

silent hatch
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ooooohh how exciting

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interesting, thanks!

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saves me the time, i was about to tackle the resto druid cause that staff looks neat

true ingot
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well it will still be there later either way.

pallid fulcrum
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yeah I am pretty sure you can use all appearances regardless of spec for SL, but you still need to actually unlock them in order to use them

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like in PTR on druid you can go to barbershop and access the legion cat, bear skins as well as change flight form and aquatic, regardless of being feral or guardian or whatever else

misty hare
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This is most assuredly a stupid question but I figured I might as well ask.

I am considering trying out healing for shadowlands raiding. Is there a good way to try out healing to see how it plays in raids besides just leveling in shadowlands and raiding? Mostly it would just suck to level and hate it right away and potentially have to reroll.

I guess that's not as big of a problem with how quick leveling is.

true ingot
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@misty hare Nope. not really

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About the closest you can get without probally getting to deep in on a time sink is level up and use lfr.

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if you don't like it in lfr you probally won't like it in normal raiding

misty hare
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That's pretty much what I figured. Thanks for the help!

manic juniper
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Hello, is there a way to change my username on WoWhead? I'm setting up my brand with Twitch streaming and would like to feature WoWhead when streaming.

true ingot
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looks like NOPE.

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But contacting support on the website might yeild different awnsers.

manic juniper
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Thanks for the answer, I was looking on the website for a contact us page but unable to locate one.

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Which is why I came here hehe

cobalt flint
manic juniper
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Thanks!

true ingot
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top line - Can't find the answer you were looking for? Just contact us, or post on our forums!

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contact us and forums are clickable

manic juniper
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Oh hey there XD

karmic hedge
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@misty hare just run pug mythics with a healer. Shit goes wrong so often with pugs by the time you get to raiding it will be a fresh breeze.

vague pivot
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Hello, is there a way to change my username on WoWhead?
@manic juniper

I got mine changed by asking somewhere and an admin saw it and changed it. Discord has a setting where users are able to change their nickname, or in this server's case, not

true ingot
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I'm assuming they mean the website not here

vague pivot
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Oh you're right I misread. I was given instructions on how to do this as well. Lemme find that

true ingot
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ohhh

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gets out her notepad

cobalt flint
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That problem was already solved @vague pivot

vague pivot
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"Please send an email to feedback@wowhead.com from email address associated with your account. Include preferred username and one alternative. Thank you!:)" Are the instructions I received. Took about a week.

true ingot
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Nah. I got info for next time somebody asks. all is good @cobalt flint

rocky pawn
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Im just weirdlyc curious, was it possible to skip Valithrya in wrath with some shenanigans?

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or did they add that later so people could farm it

pallid fulcrum
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Hey all, my walocks imp doesn't attack - help ๐Ÿ˜‚

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Like, the little shit just sits there while I'm getting beat lmao

rocky pawn
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so your pet has an action bar, right?
next to his abilities on the right side are three buttons: "something", defensive, and passive

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check if its on passive (the little polar bear face) and if it is, click defensive (the shield)

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i have no idea what the left one is or does @pallid fulcrum

pallid fulcrum
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It's on the left icon, that being assist you, but when I first got it it would hallily5 attack whoever now he just sits there looking at me haha

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Even when I'm being attacked, and I've had it on defensive, the little shit prefers to do flips lmao

rocky pawn
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Yeah i have 0 idea what (assist) is, it used to be aggressive and theyd just go ham on whatever was near

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might i suggest a key/mouse bind? if you open the menu > key bindings > Targeting > at the bottom is "pet attack"

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i have mine bound to my middle mouse button and its just a reflex to click it after using it so long

pallid fulcrum
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I'll look into that!

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Thanks for the assist

karmic hedge
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Hey so not sure if I misinterpreted this one but I heard about the legacy raids scaling to higher lvl in sl. If this is true transmog and raw gold farms as we know it will be gone,?

rocky pawn
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SUPPOSEDLY it will be fine and we can still farm them

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there was a blue post about it iirc

karmic hedge
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Thanks gonna dig that one up.

silver pasture
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how do i make a demon hunter character?

rocky pawn
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a lvl 70 character on the realm you want your DH on, the legion expansion, and be a night elf or blood elf

silver pasture
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only those races?

rocky pawn
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yep lorewise theyre the only ones who did it

silver pasture
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thats anoying

rocky pawn
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or could? idr

pallid fulcrum
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Hey so not sure if I misinterpreted this one but I heard about the legacy raids scaling to higher lvl in sl. If this is true transmog and raw gold farms as we know it will be gone,?

Legacy content done at level 60 will be perfectly doable like before. It's only during prepatch that things will scale poorly due to us not being max level anymore.

drowsy timber
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I wonder if the Sha of Anger will suddenly start wiping people again.

true ingot
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@pallid fulcrum if your still having issues; on your pet bar; right click on the ..I want to say firebolt spell? it should have a glowing border around it saying that it's on autocast

pure niche
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#showtooltip
/cast [@cursor] Metamorphosis

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i try to add this macro for havoc but it does not work

hollow tangle
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question

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do i have to pay for bfa when SL prepatch is out?

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or does it become part of the base game and only requires a sub?

pallid fulcrum
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We don't know for sure, but historically the previous expansion is included with the new expansion. I.E. if you buy Shadowlands after release you wouldn't also have to buy BfA.

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It's best to keep an ear to the wall until we hear more about how Blizz will approach it.

hollow tangle
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ok so that happens when the prepatch is out or after its over? i wasnt too caught up with bfa so i wouldnt know