I wonder .. If several years separate the end of SL and the beginning of DF , Gilneas should be rebuilt, and Stromgarde who back to Alliance during BFA 🤔
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
the vindicaar is probably out eliminating whats left of the legion
and its unclear if theyre going to do a timeskip
but theres no evidence of any significant old world changes
mossy meteor
iirc that's a toy
proper palm
The vindicaar was sent to the cave of unusable things before the retcon 😂
dense plover
that map is on the grand adventure map
the murloc toy can effect everywhere
so why does only the wyrmrest map have a translation?
its because its the grand adventure map
proper palm
Lordaeron was purged of his blight so quicklyyyyyyy
Gilneas wait since SoG end 😂
dense plover
oooo - blizz is going to SDCC
i wonder if we will get any cinematics or anything
would be nice to get something for wow or diablo 4
pulsar minnow
Maybe it’s too soon but perhaps a more solidified release window for Dragonflight?
dense plover
i just want to know when theyre gonna start the beta
i wanna see gameplay from not-blizz
pulsar minnow
Definitely a D4 announcement of some kind though
They got the tattoo promotion and whatnot
They’re gearing up for something
sonic flame
just remembered this
they said in SL the heart of azeroth woudn't work cause it was on another realm
but what about DL?
what's the excuse for it not to work?
uncut lintel
oooo - blizz is going to SDCC
im a dumy wuts a sdcc 
proper palm
Azeroth is on the vindicaar
dense plover
im a dumy wuts a sdcc <:LUL:899641818029891595>
san diego comic con
upper pasture
what's the excuse for it not to work?
Cause the powers of the dragons are too strong makes the heart weak. Idk mate I just play the game
That or the jailer broke the heart when he tried to siphon Azeroths energy
Take your pick
crimson jasper
lemme throw in a guess too, since azeroth is awakening we can't drain power from her via the heart anymore
uncut lintel
azeroth is gonna transform into a giant hot planet lady with thicc thighs and destroy all mortal life except the dragons
because mortals, screw up
everything
proper palm
The power of Azeroth is literally more powerful than all dragonflights combined, His heart allows us to use the power of his blood ;p
upper pasture
But unless we reempower the dragonflight leaders they are mortals now too
proper palm
To be honest, i don't know if the dragon soul is more powerful than azeroth heart
crimson jasper
ye
uncut lintel
im being trolly tonight im sorry
crimson jasper
nah u right so
uncut lintel
The power of Azeroth is literally more powerful than all dragonflights combined,...
Her* heart
i must
proper palm
I'm not english 😉
crimson jasper
hehe
uncut lintel
but you are english, you used punctuation
bad joke
whens dragonflight pre patch
proper palm
😂
upper pasture
whens dragonflight pre patch
Tomorrow
glad niche
im guessing beta in about a month and a half / 2 months
upper pasture
Lol
crimson jasper
I'm not english 😉
hello I'm not English, l'm Shuja, nice to meet you
uncut lintel
im suffering everyday u guys dont understand
i need
to play
dracthyr
I HAVE ONE REASON TO LIVE AND ITS THAT
ember blaze
I HAVE ONE REASON TO LIVE AND ITS THAT
ME TOO
proper palm
S4 suck, we need prepatch
ember blaze
forget the slime cat mount. Skip ahead to pre patch
ember blaze
I HAVE ONE REASON TO LIVE AND ITS THAT
😶
uncut lintel
ok
glad niche
im guessing that cause , provided everything is being split up among the alphas for the zones (not a gaunteed, just a guess at this point) the first alpha was like... a week and a half? 2 weeks? If we go on the higher side of 2 weeks, and iirc theres 4 zones in the new map. thats roughly 8 weeks of alpha testing
uncut lintel
two reasons
ember blaze
uncut lintel
TWO REASONS
ember blaze
does ptr testing increase your chances of invite? 🤔
glad niche
nah
proper palm
Green patch for S4, recycling content 😂 I can't wait to be bored
uncut lintel
u just have to give blizz a whole bunch of money and pre order df collectors to get into alpha
glad niche
apart from content creators and the like, the rest of the pool is random draw
uncut lintel
Green patch for S4, recycling content 😂 I can't wait to be bored
nooo i want that
that means its just easier
dense plover
apart from content creators and the like, the rest of the pool is random draw
thats not true
testing experience typically does
uncut lintel
I WANT PURPLE DEATHWALKER AND JELLYCAT MOUNTS
dense plover
but at this point you cant retroactively test stuff
glad niche
Im not sure what exactly you mean. Im saying content creators so end up being a large chunk of early alphas, no one creator is guaranteed entry tho
dense plover
you said no to does ptr testing increase your chance
proper palm
Normal people are invited during the beta
dense plover
but it does
my first alpha invite was because of all the testing i did in legion
for SLs i got put on F&F i think, but i mightve gotten trimmed, either that or it was also my testing experience
uncut lintel
Normal people are invited during the beta
me trying to find anyone whos normal AND plays wow 
glad niche
do you have written proof of this via contact with blizz? Theres been a lot of "no names" in forums and on reddit saying they have never done ptr or alphas before and got in
dense plover
do you have written proof of this via contact with blizz? Theres been a lot of "...
oh a good chunk of it is definitely random
but theres also a chunk of us that are intense testers
glad niche
not saying one is more valid then the other, ofc. just that there are claims to either end of the spectrum
dense plover
like me and @uncut vault
proper palm
Simple, all people without high visibility
glad niche
right, that falls into the "and the like" column
proper palm
I'm a intense tester to, but never get an alpha invitation
glad niche
the whole "friends and family" bit
dense plover
its like 50-75% content creators for the first build, then like 15% testers, 10% randos
proper palm
Ne beta for legion, beta for BFA and SL
dense plover
not including F&F
dense plover
Ne beta for legion, beta for BFA and SL
how do you define intense testing?
also, are you subscribed since thats apparently a requirement now
glad niche
Ill be honest i just wanna test the character creation till my fingers bleed
this could be satiated if the dressing room would WORK FOR DRACTHYR COUGHSPUTTER
glad niche
OC do not steal
tropic trail
My character
dense plover
also it definitely depends on where you live - a majority of the testers that arent content creators tend to be US-based in the early waves
proper palm
how do you define intense testing?
Remember the warfront belt bug at BFA? I observe the smallest detail under the detail and test the smallest thing
PTR .. Beta..
dense plover
do you have bug report feedback emails?
dense plover
because in BfA they started sending those out
proper palm
Always
uncut lintel
-crying-
glad niche
so when do we see Chadzard? Just a big swol charizard bro
tropic trail
Don't cry, just know that it seems like a good expansion so far
glad niche
or dragonite
dense plover
Don't cry, just know that it seems like a good expansion so far
i mean, its definitely too early to say
tropic trail
They already exist
dense plover
weve only seen 1 leveling zone and none of the endgame
tropic trail
Its fun from what I've played
dense plover
and almost none of the real profession stuff
tropic trail
BFA and Shadowlands both felt like crap immediately to me
Dragonflight so far feels like a more fun direction
dense plover
we are going to have to wait until phase 5 or 6 before we get a real grasp on the quality of this
glad niche
the new alpha wave that started has a new zone in it, but im assuming its under a short NDA or something seeing as weve seen nothing of it? that or i missed it
dense plover
i was really excited during the BfA alpha and beta
tropic trail
no NDA
dense plover
it only really fell off when they refused to make changes to island expeditions and then the content slowed
glad niche
THAT shit
dense plover
SLs felt good in alpha but bad by beta - the story didnt make sense and they ruined torghast
glad niche
Im trying SO DAMN HARD to get that STUPID FISH MALLET
dense plover
infinite torghast/leveling in torghast was fucking awesome
and they killed it
they couldve just left it as a thing to do and i wouldve been happy
even without rewards beyond like XP and basic leveling gear
it couldve been a fun af way to level
glad niche
Someone took evoker into Tor, they have skills in there
pulsar minnow
u just have to give blizz a whole bunch of money and pre order df collectors to ...
If only that were true 😭
dense plover
dragonflight doesnt really have any systems to screw up other than talents and professions
proper palm
I have a question for alpha guys
https://twitter.com/soulsobreezy/status/1549445535278309381
They never flap their wings during gliding ?
tropic trail
Alpha is alpha
nothing is finished
no cutscenes
no voice acting
few animations
Set your expectations accordingly please
proper palm
100% they don't flap wings in final product xD
dense plover
100% they don't flap wings in final product xD
they should - theres like 6 gliding animations
only 2 of them are correctly triggering from what ive seen
tropic trail
Just make sure they go BWAHHHH like Demon Hunters do
dense plover
the mechanics are the thing theyre testing - the visuals will be fixed
i also know theres a setting in the strings to get rid of the speed lines
but im pretty sure you cant do it ingame yet
ember blaze
do you have bug report feedback emails?
i got one for shadowlands
glad niche
tbf, its a glide. If they flapped peeps will argue they can maintain air longer
dense plover
actually, i dont know if the drakthyr have those animations
proper palm
Oh thanks, i'm so psycho it would make me crazy
dense plover
i dont think drakthyr are on wowhead yet
so i cant check
but thats how it works for dragons and its definitely not finished there
glad niche
i
uncut lintel
wtf
tropic trail
arms do a bit of a breast stroke
uncut lintel
ur joking
tropic trail
It looks right in game
glad niche
I would have thought like a gator
uncut lintel
no i cant they need to change it
tropic trail
Yeah like a gator
uncut lintel
if ur not a dolphin its not meant to go up and down it hurts ur spine and causes pain
proper palm
Just a thing before i go :
True dragons have teeth out
uncut lintel
glad niche
wait
tropic trail
whose pug fucked a dragon? admit it
uncut lintel
LOL
proper palm
Not a dragon
glad niche
Gators do the side to side swim, you said up and down like a dolphin, which is it?
or to they flounder between the two
tropic trail
I'll go log in and look
upper pasture
Not a dragon
Tbf they are dragon adjacent
glad niche
ill even accept a low quality phone video if you feel like it
dense plover
this is a list of all of the advfly animations
glad niche
Tbf they are dragon adjacent
like ocean iguana
dense plover
i think the flap and flap big arent working right
glad niche
this why i must see their swim
dense plover
like they work in the viewer but they arent called correctly
also im pretty sure the rolls are supposed to work during gliding
uncut vault
no context
dense plover
and they dont'
tropic trail
So they kinda dog paddle
proper palm
But don't have teeth out : Maloriak, the human turn into a """dragon""" look more a dragon than drachtyr
uncut lintel
HES
tropic trail
its weird
uncut lintel
HIS EYES
dense plover
no context
god they look so good
uncut vault
uncut lintel
new allied race with the gnolls plz blizz
glad niche
no context
the forums be worrying about the dracthyr being furbait, Yall see them eyes on that walrus?
uncut lintel
the forums be worrying about the dracthyr being furbait, Yall see them eyes on t...
same thing with worgen and vulpera vs tauren. apparnly a anthro cow isnt a furry
tropic trail
glad niche
same thing with worgen and vulpera vs tauren. apparnly a anthro cow isnt a furry
RIGHT?! Forums be so silly
tropic trail
Thats the swim animation there
glad niche
this is pleasing enough
tropic trail
Its a good animation
dense plover
the new draw distance adds so much to making the world feel huge
can you go check out the top of high mountain with the new draw distance?
tropic trail
feels right
uncut vault
Yeah I can
dense plover
idk if its retroactive or not
glad niche
I was curious how they would do the wings, like a serpentine tuck in or a power butterfly stroke via flap flap
dense plover
some of the stuff theyve said implies it is, others havent
btw does the setting still only go to 10?
uncut vault
it seems to not be intentionally, but in some cases it is
IE certain weather effects
dense plover
i mean - limiting the distance for immersion is fine
uncut vault
Yeah only 10
dense plover
huh
so i wonder if its just increased baseline and its just because they optimized it
pulsar minnow
I think they created low poly models of a lot of creatures to optimize baseline draw distances
glad niche
@tropic trail thank you for feeding my curiosities
dense plover
that screenshot was actually 7 haha
btw you have the wowhead client right?
i assume its updated for alpha
tropic trail
Np
uncut vault
I can actually see the weather effects all the way on the isles now
uncut lintel
WHOOAA
dense plover
dang
tropic trail
I had a rough day, time to go eat some french toasts
pulsar minnow
Porter, kinda a random question but can you really put a finger on what class Dracthyr plays most similar to?
uncut lintel
nvm i dont ant french toadt
glad niche
So, for those in the alpha, what do yall think about the 4th body option, seeing it in game. Part of me likes it but part feels it MIGHT be too bulky for me once im in game an moving. opinions?
uncut vault
Porter, kinda a random question but can you really put a finger on what class Dr...
frost DK, but a caster tbh
uncut lintel
So, for those in the alpha, what do yall think about the 4th body option, seeing...
u think its too bulky while some ppl are stll pissed they are not overly chunk and as fat as a kul tiran
uncut vault
which in itself is unique
its the only thing that really has a comparison with essence/runes
tropic trail
They have a nifty talent that makes them do mega damage to enemy shields, handy for PvP I assume
Imagine picking up your Arena partner and moving them out of an enemy's LoS
gonna be wild
glad niche
u think its too bulky while some ppl are stll pissed they are not overly chunk a...
Im not for or against it. I wont know for sure between 3 and 4 until im making my fella. Was just wondering how those seeing them in motion feel about it
pulsar minnow
I’m normally a melee dps player but I’ve gotten burnt out of playing Fury for 6 years now and want a change of pace. I’ve never mained a ranged so I’m just worried how I’ll adjust to Evokers 😅
glad niche
I’m normally a melee dps player but I’ve gotten burnt out of playing Fury for 6 ...
my mood with feral druid. Im not the best at my rotation and im getting sick of the end of rotation wait for that damn yellow bar to fill enough for me to get like 3 more taps in
uncut vault
I will say that body 4 feels really good lol
tropic trail
Yeah I'm hoping Feral gets their energy issue fixed, been a massive problem even since Legion
glad niche
Yeah I'm hoping Feral gets their energy issue fixed, been a massive problem eve...
SO IM NOT INSANE
glad niche
I played a LOT in legion, start of BFA tasted bad to me so i stopped, skipped SL till DF announcement
tropic trail
Once the primary burst is over, its impossible to maintain a constant rotation on Feral, which makes it more of a chore than a challenge
pulsar minnow
Oh I used to want to main Feral in legion because of their artifact skins but I couldn’t stand just waiting to do anything because I was always out of energy
glad niche
Been like "I dont remember being this ass at druid since early MoP"
uncut vault
@dense plover have the weather effects of stormheim always been visible from south aszuna?
tropic trail
And Guardian's lack of magical mitigation ruined their progression, making it a double whammy to Druids
dense plover
<@117691857911152645> have the weather effects of stormheim always been visible ...
dont think so
thats too far usually
but i cant check live because i dont have a sub
pulsar minnow
If Druids get special barber shop options to customize their forms (like challenge skins) I kinda hope the DF Mage Tower equivalent gives players special customization for their Dracthyr. Maybe a barber shop armor set?
glad niche
And Guardian's lack of magical mitigation ruined their progression, making it a ...
oof. Yeah, Im pretty stoked for evoker. Im gonna be some level of butts at it cause im not used to wow casting, much less one where i gatta aim the attack cones.
But the BF is gonna run preservation while I run the dps one
tropic trail
Right on
glad niche
If Druids get special barber shop options to customize their forms (like challen...
Im assuming those datamined primalist eye glows may be dracthyr
but at the same time, weve got bookoos of base customization already
so would be a lil stinky if only dracthyr get those eye glows
dense plover
If Druids get special barber shop options to customize their forms (like challen...
assuming we get an equivalent
uncut vault
pulsar minnow
assuming we get an equivalent
Ion’s kinda hinted that they may be doing it
And perhaps picking up the threads of the Deaths of Chromie story
glad niche
I do remember druids being under a LOT of heat for the amount of customization we had visually in legion, then theres the new looks we got in SL too, moths and deer and such
I can understand and sympathize with the amount of displeasure its brought over time. Its a lot of personalization options.
dense plover
fuck me you can actually see all of suramar and the broken shore
can you turn off the clouds?
idk if thats possible
glad niche
that looks minecraft, its all so tiny!
dense plover
And perhaps picking up the threads of the Deaths of Chromie story
oh - that would be the grand adventure stuff
glad niche
Idk about a full flap but i do hope the soar sees some sort of flavoring
dense plover
i mean - its literally for time dragon endgame stuff
uncut vault
I honestly just wish the upgrades for dragonriding would apply for dracthyr too
dense plover
its unclear what but my guess is its some sort of torghast equivalent
uncut vault
even if only inthe dragon isles
pulsar minnow
It’s honestly just so exciting to see what the devs can do now that their time isn’t held back by borrowed power systems
uncut lintel
same
dense plover
where you go to some of the time zones and then random events happen
glad niche
like the mushroom ring?
out in uhhh.... near undercity zone
I go there some times just to chill with the plague animals and fariedragons
pulsar minnow
its unclear what but my guess is its some sort of torghast equivalent
That’d be so nice. Hopefully done right this time 😅
glad niche
misread the previous messages, ignore me
pulsar minnow
Oh, also Porter. How bad is it going back to normal flying? (Not sure if you’ve been able to play with it much since it’s only Forbidden Reach this week)
pulsar minnow
misread the previous messages, ignore me
It happens :P
glad niche
Im not porter but I know from watching Bellular's streams, he comments on the speed difference being rather jarring
pulsar minnow
It’s been pretty universal from what I’ve heard that Dragonriding >>>> Normal Flying. I’m really curious if there are people who still prefer old flying
glad niche
he did a bunch of soar vs normal flight tests in northrend. the difference is staggering for the distance he covers
uncut vault
Oh, also Porter. How bad is it going back to normal flying? (Not sure if you’ve ...
well I also only have 150 flying on this guy
so really bad lmao
glad niche
I think both have their place
Dragonriding wont allow for that good old hover safe off the ground afk, or fly in direction and quick afk / alt tab
pulsar minnow
I feel like maybe adding a Dragonriding ability where you can just hover could solve this problem though? Just make it so your dragon doesn’t recover vigor or anything
glad niche
iirc a resent bluepost confirmed they would not be doing that
pulsar minnow
But I also feel like afk flying won’t be a problem since you’d be going so dang fast you wouldn’t have a reason to… we’ll, afk
glad niche
they want the old flight to still have its use and to keep the two in their own sperate niches
pulsar minnow
Huh okay
glad niche
the problem with the wont have to afk, lies in when you NEED to afk
pulsar minnow
Good point
I would definitely like to see them allow Dragonriding everywhere though
glad niche
as a druid i can stealth and hide in a bush
for others, that hover is a godsend, and that flight path too
pulsar minnow
And maybe enable it for more mounts. Like all wolf hawks, wyverns, pterodaxes, etc… just because they share the skeleton and all
dense plover
And maybe enable it for more mounts. Like all wolf hawks, wyverns, pterodaxes, e...
i think at launch its only going to be for the special mounts b/c thats the point
glad niche
it is
dense plover
and most of them actually dont support adv flying
pulsar minnow
Oh yeah ofc but I’m talking like later down the line if they implement Dragonriding everywhere
dense plover
its a set of custom animations they have written for the dragons added
pulsar minnow
Ah
glad niche
i THINK a blue post mentioned the possibilities of others in the future adopting the system, but then the issues are animation and such
if youve played or seen GW2 mounts before
pulsar minnow
Could be cool to maybe see variation in mount types then, like GW2
glad niche
they def borrowed from their idea of more life like movement from the drakes
the one complaint i have, seeing as they obviously learned from said animations
pulsar minnow
Really? I love it personally
glad niche
our riders (from what ive seen in vids and streams) are still stiff and lifeless
where as in gw2, the raptor for example, will shake like a dog on occasion, and nearly shakes the rider and saddle off. Said rider flails a little, has a small interaction with the raptor, then rights itself
uncut vault
Yeah WoW desperately needs to start doing some custom mount anims
glad niche
I love GW2 for the level of animation in it
uncut vault
the stiff as a board reins one just doesnt work for most mounts anymore
pulsar minnow
The animations on like, the Highland Drake for instance are so beautiful and fluid. I’m more focused on the drake so I haven’t really noticed the player animations yet
glad niche
funnily its noticed most by those who have played this and GW2
GW2 draws in a good chunk of its crowd because of how fluid and lifelike the game is.
Thus, I wanted to know the dracthyr swim animation lol
im a stinky stinky animation fanatic
pulsar minnow
Lol I don’t blame you
Dracthyr must be right up your alley then
Ugh okay I see what you mean
glad niche
Im a huge dragon nerd to start with but wasnt sold till i saw the walk animations on the press page
uncut vault
glad niche
such life like
uncut lintel
lmao
glad niche
much Tpose
pulsar minnow
Im a huge dragon nerd to start with but wasnt sold till i saw the walk animation...
SO IM NOT ALONE
I’ve hated normal drake running animations for so long
The one thing I was hoping for this expansion was a running animation more like, say, Toothless or something
glad niche
That walk is gorgeous. (Dracthyr) and im not talking about the snarky lookin bronze dragon doing the walk. My brain picked apart the model to see those stick and dot skelleton type rigs underneath
its a very fluid lifelike movement throughout
glad niche
i can get the link to the press page
pulsar minnow
That walk is gorgeous. (Dracthyr) and im not talking about the snarky lookin bro...
Oh you meant Dracthyr mb. I thought you were talking about the new Drake animation rig
uncut lintel
i can get the link to the press page
me?
glad niche
Oh you meant Dracthyr mb. I thought you were talking about the new Drake animati...
those too!
scroll down to there
this is a site free to the public to rummage over
the dance animation is the one they have (only in Dracthyr form) the lighting looks off cause its an earlier version
the sadly do the fem hum and male belf dances in visage, from last i heard
dense plover
the sadly do the fem hum and male belf dances in visage, from last i heard
probably not final
glad niche
I def hope so but we'll see
I plan to mostly dragon anyways
to be an even deeper animation nerd, on the walk and the dance, you can see a lot of small details they did. So. Lets look at them feet. Ya know how when say, a bobcat, with those big wide feet, takes a step, and the toes do this subtle spread apart. Compensating for the weight and such.
They did that on the drakthyr feet and it pleases me greatly
just tiny subtle things that make all the difference bringing the full rig to life
Hips and shoulders moving in opposite tandem from one another making the shoulder to arm swing look more natural. (Natural as a digitigrade kinda lumberish lizard can look anyways)
Im hopeful we see animation to the player models on the Drakes seeing as the mount of work gone into the dracthyr and the drakes. Baby steps
Anyways sorry for the nerdy text wall, enjoy the gifs!
crimson jasper
very relatable buddy
uncut vault
forbidden reach is def gonna be a max level area
has a bunch of elite level 70 mobs
dense plover
i figured as much
they literally kick you out
its not a huge zone though
but there are small differences between the world version and the starting zone version
ok - so my theory about why this version of the zone is so different - after the raid, or at the end of the story, something happens related to the blue dragons or the primalists
maybe a faction of the blue flight joins the primalists?
theres no way this is by accident because its so different from the in world version
honestly the whole grand time adventure thing is weird and im excited
uncut vault
well the structures added were primalist ones from the dracthyr starting zone
so it's probably more a case of them harnessing the elements
so far the blue dragonflight isnt in the xpac much, due to how scattered they are
the only ones are kalec, senegos' brood, and the blue drakonids who now serve the dracthyr
uncut vault
dense plover
so far the blue dragonflight isnt in the xpac much, due to how scattered they ar...
im fairly certain theres a significantly story with them in the azure span
dense plover
thats part of the hunts - im pretty sure
ember blaze
oh wow
cunning fossil
AYO WHAT
I-
Engineers get COOL SHIT
Oh my god
Finally
Yes
SUperColidder-tron is fucking awesome oh my god
The Nuke is called an I win button oh my god
I love it
dense plover
so someone compared this to the artifact tree and thats an amazing comparison
i couldnt figure out where i had seen this layout and that is 100% it
dense plover
i just love that it has 4 specializations and each one of them is a talent tree - so much fucking depth
im curious how theyll do stuff for jewelcrafting - i imagine gems, rings and necks will be separated, not sure what the 4th would be
gadgets maybe?
idk
oh
trinkets probably
cunning fossil
Fuck them
legitimately fuck them
if I can't make money off the profession
at least let me have some fun withit
rain cave
Instant cast in combat swapblaster please blizzard
cunning fossil
im curious how theyll do stuff for jewelcrafting - i imagine gems, rings and nec...
I was thinking Rings, Necks, Gems, and Offhands?
doesn't Jewlcrafting make off handers? Sorry
dense plover
i dont think so? idk
im just getting around to watching some gameplay
dragon riding looks SO FUN
and the zones look extremely polished
the zone design is so different as a result of dragon riding too
no more "has to be navigable on the ground"
and so theres just jutting cliffs and steep mountains
its so different than anything we've seen since like wrath
rain cave
I wonder if they'll ever use meryl felstorm again
dense plover
how did i miss this description
SWOOP DE LOOP
regarding dragon riding, i fully expect them to nerf the default max speed when you first start because i dont see how you can get upgrades from the point they start you at
uncut vault
I think the upgrades are gonna be more for easier elevation and faster regen
I dont think they should make the system suck at the start for the sake of upgrades
dense plover
im not saying it should suck
but i guess its hard to know what it will look like at the start since the version weve since is the 3rd zone version
rain cave
We've got basic dragon riding
Dracthyr are unupgraded dragon riding
And that's pretty much the same as the one with
Mounts from what I've seen
Upgrades might be shit like vigor cap, vigor generation, speed from boosts, vigor /instant mount up on wq completion
Every x vigor generated reducing an offensive cooldown or hearthstone
Maybe a landing attack
Dismounting other of players for pbp
Pvp
uncut vault
Maybe a landing attack
Can confirm this is one of them in the files
As well as a free combat exit
plain violet
A aerial recovery? Niiiice....
ember blaze
The Nuke is called an I win button oh my god
as long as engineering isn't a 10k dps increase 😶
cunning fossil
as long as engineering isn't a 10k dps increase 😶
i doubt it will be. but as long as it's cool.
And ngl i do not care if it end sup that way. that's a meta chaser problem
rain cave
If engineering gets combat utility maybe the others do to
Issue then is then people will go "what's the best profession buff for my spec"
Maybe if they limited it to like even less than a racial bonus in terms of numbers
rain cave
Like if you're a blacksmith, maybe you get like a .4% dps increase as fire damage
Or a small proc like the void elf one
That does that
Enchanters get a small bonus to all their own enchants
Tailoring you get a small silky smooth haste bonus
For "well fit clothes" or something
plain violet
I quite like the idea. I remember one game, if you're a biochimist (that's alchemist) you can craft reusable potion for yourself, so you don't have to recraft them each time.
glad niche
so with the drakes, do we get to customize their color or is that a set option at the start?
thinking of the few customizaion vids ive seen I cant recall seeing an option in the lists for the base color
pulsar minnow
I think in order for the option to appear you have to actually unlock an alternate skin color for the drake
But they’ll definitely allow us to customize the colors
glad niche
aaahh true true
proper crystal
this could be satiated if the dressing room would WORK FOR DRACTHYR COUGHSPUTTER
mood. I'd love an ETA just to know how the progress is coming along, whether it's almost ready or still weeks away.... 😭
||my best friend died the other day|| so im really desperate for a distraction... ive been obsessively checking for dressing room updates to no avail
glad niche
Right? I figure maybe they are under some "its too early" agreement or something with blizz. Just a guess. Iirc the vulpera models took forever too
🫂
proper crystal
Right? I figure maybe they are under some "its too early" agreement or something...
last i saw (through a comment on the discord, late last week), they're working on it, it's just glitchy/there's a lot to implement so it's taking time
glad niche
very true, dracthyr have a LOT of tabs with options in them. more then the dressing room currently has alotment for
proper crystal
yeah
glad niche
so i imagine the dressing room itself is seeing its spaghetti code stirred up
proper crystal
probably so :(
glad niche
Is it spaghetti code? Fuck if i know, I just assume all code is spaghetti and add its detanglement into my rough time estimates. Makes the more speedy updates pleasant surprises
proper crystal
Yeah, idk either--good practice tbh
glad niche
I also come from 14, where the code is assuredly 100% genuine spaghetti. But the reasoning is deep and goes into the first iteration of the game that was a burning dumpster fire
proper crystal
I've got my dracthyr name reserved, transmog ready, rp profile written up, and even painted my character...... nothing better to do than hyperfixate and suffer rn
glad niche
I know the feel
proper crystal
I also come from 14, where the code is assuredly 100% genuine spaghetti. But the...
valid--i know WoW's code is spaghetti, idk about wowhead though
glad niche
I have the name reserved on two servers, cause were debating moving to a very much more populated one
proper crystal
i mainly play on one (horde majority) server, but also have a 60 alliance character on the sister-server, i play on RP realms
proper crystal
everyones desperate to play dragons
valid. also--@ your profile. Owl House ❤️
uncut lintel
valid. also--@ your profile. Owl House ❤️
ANOTHER FAN
i hate waiting for WoW stuff
because i want it now
nothing is fun untill that new thing comes out so WoW is so boring untill S4 and then it's gonna be even more boring after that because then we dont get more content untill pre patch hopefully pre patch will be fun and give a pet or a mount or some mog or something and not just boring
the desperatioin in my eyes
@strange falcon im addicted
those emojis
cunning fossil
Lol
uncut lintel
@strange falcon i meant it when i said it, i dont need anything, except this game, except this shit game
crisp raft
Anyone else feel like Lightforged Draenei and Kul Tirians will be big for professions in DF? (With the increased tradesmith points)
uncut lintel
Anyone else feel like Lightforged Draenei and Kul Tirians will be big for profes...
maybe
glad niche
I was debating just picking up herbalism and mining on dracthyr
but i need alchemist on em
subtle oar
Anyone else feel like Lightforged Draenei and Kul Tirians will be big for profes...
No, because I believe you need to be at the crafting tables in valdrakken
glad niche
I know for alchemist they showed off an apparent travel table, but by my understanding, the rest are indeed stationary
crisp raft
No, because I believe you need to be at the crafting tables in valdrakken
So you can't use the LFD's anvil? Outside of Valdrakken
subtle oar
I believe all the DF crafting recipes require the crafting tables in valdrakken to be made
glad niche
Alchemist potentially beng an outlier due to the need to make raid pots or whatever they are called these days
cunning fossil
Alchemist potentially beng an outlier due to the need to make raid pots or whate...
They will get a portable station from Engies
I will finally be useful
glad niche
was trying to find the post about the portable alch table but i cant find the damn thing
glad niche
they have ideas for its rework but it wont be with DF launch
thats been mentioned in a few diff interviews
Iirc they want to remove the rng minigame aspect of it
but havent given details as to how it will function after the rework
uncut vault
uncut lintel
what
harsh wedge
That's what the guards react when you first enter Orgrimmar/Stormwind as a dracthyr
There it implies that the belt is scales which could be dragons'
Kinda the same way the guards talk to you as a deathknight (well, "talk"...)
sullen dawn
My belt is made of vulperas
rain cave
if random orgrimmar guards are being fitted with dragonhide belts they've got a great economy going on
glass flicker
I will unironically use the Dragonslayer title on my Dracthyr.
dense plover
i think you kill onyxia or one of those dragons
this one
super easy to get
just solo it
glass flicker
Yeah.
dense plover
just make sure you read the comments because its a bit buggy at max level
glass flicker
So it's gonna be Dragonslayer Dracona?
dense plover
its not made to take damage that quickly
uncut lintel
whos dracona?
dense plover
What about Dragonslayer Dragonslayer
uncut lintel
What about Dragonslayer Dragonslayer
1 sec let me see ifthatds avail
glass flicker
I literally gave you that name in DMs and you made a character.
uncut lintel
I literally gave you that name in DMs and you made a character.
OH I GUESS IN EVER TOLD U
glass flicker
Goldfish freakin memory. xD
dense plover
Can always try all the alts too Drgnslayer Drgnslyer DrgnSlyr Dragonslaer
uncut lintel
ok ima use special letter
glass flicker
Durgomslayr
dense plover
DrahgonSlahyer
glass flicker
Damngonslayer
glass flicker
Dragsonslayer
glass flicker
Heh.
dense plover
just cut a vowel
glass flicker
Deeznutsslayer
dense plover
Drgn works prettywell
dense plover
Deeznutsslayer
Dragondeeznuts
dense plover
i hope theres a dragon draggin joke in this expac SOMEWHERE
uncut lintel
the names
ill save two of them for end of xpac when we can amke more than one dracthyr
like DH became
@glass flicker removed dracona bcuz i like galateea and tiridormi is my OC
glass flicker
Why didn't you try Foxydormi yet?
glass flicker
Foxystrasza.
dense plover
so many dragon names you can do - dormi, strasza, yxia, tharion, etc
dense plover
no need to really reserve those unless you want a specific one
uncut lintel
Fokxia
dense plover
also forgot -ormu
glass flicker
We already gave the female ones with ormi.
dense plover
or is it dormu?
glass flicker
And yeah it's dormu/dormi.
uncut lintel
isnt dormi female and dormu male?
uncut vault
No D, just ormu/i
glass flicker
Yeah.
uncut vault
IE Chronormu
uncut lintel
thought they were gender specefic
dense plover
they are
dense plover
no, gender =/= sex
glass flicker
Woke Blizz. xD
dense plover
thats why they changed the bodies
ie male presenting vs female presenting
they couldve said that
but thats bulky
uncut lintel
blizzard trying to get more money by faking representation
uncut vault
They're not gender specific anyways, Chromie still has Chronormu as her dragon name, despite identifying as a woman
dense plover
and assuming they want to split out voice and pronouns, its confusing
uncut vault
in her words, "clearly we don't understand the intricacies of dragon culture"
glass flicker
and assuming they want to split out voice and pronouns, its confusing
But then they'd have to add a booba slider.
uncut lintel
sleep
dense plover
blizzard trying to get more money by faking representation
its not faking - its an easy change that someone on the team wanted
and it doesnt hurt anyone
so they did it
glass flicker
Have a deep, manly orc voice on a female body? xD
uncut lintel
its not faking - its an easy change that someone on the team wanted
ill let u have this one
dense plover
its a change that makes some people more comfortable
uncut vault
Masculine and Feminine would probably be best for now, but the Body <#> seems like clear setup for future body types
IE thin kul tirans
dense plover
^ also a possibility
uncut lintel
yea i would like masculine and feminine better
dense plover
prevents then having to change it again
dense plover
also finally allows them to have races with no apparent gender
a problem that wow has had for a while now
for example - how do you do multiple bodies if there arent any?
uncut vault
Yeah thats a big thing that excites me, we could much more easily get a race like arakkoa now
dense plover
like tortollans
glass flicker
I like how all kyrian males wear pants, and all kyrian females don't.
uncut vault
just instead of male and female, it can be high and cursed
dense plover
or you could just have 1 body type
by not having them be gendered, you dont have that limitation anymore
or like - sethrakk
where the males and females look the same
and the voices are the difference
uncut lintel
ok sethrak and gnolls when
glass flicker
Kyrians have the same skeleton and animations for both genders. But they are still distinct.
dense plover
the stone sethrakk are still confusing
glass flicker
I think that's how they could do it.
dense plover
the sethrakk fought with the trolls against the black empire 16000 years ago
which i thought was PRE curse of flesh, right?
so how can there be stone sethrakk
glass flicker
Maybe the Sethrak spent too much time around the trolls, to become stone sethrak.
Stoner Snake.
I mean, Solid Snake.
dense plover
the Rethri or whatever look like draconic sethrakk
dense plover
the only thing i can think is that one of the keepers was inspired by the sethrakk so they designed their own version
dense plover
XD
yeah thats the rolling bug i was talking about
there are supposed to be directional rolls but they dont work
and so the movement is wonky
crisp raft
Dragon drifting? That sounds like a cool feature and not a bug 😜
glass flicker
And something you'd lose momentum with for style points.
Imagine that. A style meter. And you get vigor every time you do something cool.
dense plover
Imagine that. A style meter. And you get vigor every time you do something cool.
right now you get vigor for going fast - that makes more sense mechanics wise because it encourages you to get to your objective quickly
its really smart design
rain cave
also finally allows them to have races with no apparent gender
Ogre xd
uncut vault
austere gazelle
so how can there be stone sethrakk
It's like the Stone trogg. Troggs are degeneration of Dwarves afflicted with the curse of Flesh, but stone troggs exists for... reasons
Since then, it has been retconned into being a separate race from the Dwarves...
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Stone_trogg
Sethrak could be something else. An original stone people existing before the coming of the titans. Possibly Sethraliss decided to become a Loa and granted the Sethrakk flesh.
( If the fact that Furbolg may have been elementals and stone creature first and that someday they switched to flesh by following Ursoc and Ursol when they became Wild Gods, there may be something there, like the involvment of Elune or An'she somewhere )
dense plover
except the rethri or whatever are titan-forged
like near-definitively
unless the sethrakk that helped were stone
which is possible
the dwarves that helped during the war of the ancients were technically earthen
austere gazelle
unless the sethrakk that helped were stone
we need more informations anyway. Lore mistake can happen and Alpha and beta can be there to fix this
rain cave
stone sethrak could be the primalists version of the dracthyr
instead of combining dragons and humans, they combined 'dragons' and elements
or something
sethrak already associated with lightning in bfa
maybe they were some kind of primordial race, with a connection to different elements
dense plover
stone sethrak could be the primalists version of the dracthyr
theyre related to the titans
theyre in uldaman
theres two options - either theyre inspired by sethrakk, or the sethrakk were stone and became flesh and fought with the trolls as stone beings 16k years ago
pulsar minnow
Maybe they’re not Sethrak but look how they do because they share a skeleton?
I mean they don’t have cobra frills or anything
dense plover
i sent a tweet off to Ian Bates to get his thoughts
maybe he already knows an answer
wrath classic apparently has a date now
so that means dragonflight prepatch at least 6 weeks after
they dont want them to overlap
could be second week of november, with full release early december or right around thanksgiving (probably after)
and then raid early early january
like 2nd week
or maybe prepatch around thanksgiving, expac mid december and raid 4-6 weeks after that
i might be overestimating the time between expac and raid
but if they do the expac mid december, raid after new years makes sense
austere gazelle
If they release it in december. Not saying they wont but, based on things the tester are saying, four month to fix stuff seems a bit.. short
austere gazelle
The whole PVP aspect is a big " ??? " because based on the new Talents... PVP is gonna be a nightmare
dense plover
direct overlay
austere gazelle
indeed... Northrend had more than 5 zones, so the Dragonflight's one will be big
@dense plover so this kind of map make absolute sense
dense plover
that is where i expect theyll put it
though i also expect them to shift northrend to the left a bit
and shrink the broken isles slightly
austere gazelle
Asmongold player location was in this area on the world map
dense plover
possibly shift stuff north and south as well
IE make the map a bit taller and have more space around northrend
honestly they might want to redo the entire map there before they end up like lost ark where the world map is just a shit ton of islands with no significant visuals
austere gazelle
There are also some... similarities and clue about the location in the Original map of Chronicles and the ... " hint " of the Azure span description mentioning gnolls " wetlands "
dense plover
i think bringing in a bit of art where significant structures are on that map would be helpful
i mean - it was off that coast back in ye olden days
austere gazelle
dense plover
still disappointed the giant squid thing is gone forever
ember blaze
what are those islands at the top
dense plover
i figured they would at least reference this
dense plover
what are those islands at the top
ye olde dragon isles
before they added northrend and removed them
austere gazelle
dense plover
also the gnolls likely came over sometime between the sundering and cataclysm
ember blaze
so dragon isle would have been a thing in classic?
ember blaze
Thank Azeroth it was cut 🙏
austere gazelle
still disappointed the giant squid thing is gone forever
Never say never. There will be old gods influence in this expansion. It's a given
dense plover
oh for sure
infinite dragons
theres some stuff with the black empire in the grand time adventure map
i mean - the black dragons are tied to it
and there was some datamined stuff about black dragon eggs being taken and supposedly cleansed but who actually knows
austere gazelle
If my suspicions are correct, and if this place is the place mentionned in the Tauren's Mythos of the Earthmother... There are thing underground that are not friendly at all ( and the shining stone at the top of Tyr's hold might be a fragment of An'she )
pulsar minnow
and there was some datamined stuff about black dragon eggs being taken and suppo...
Supposedly Sabellian brought back the Dragonflight in secret in Outland
They’d be free of old god corruption since there’s, well, no old gods there
austere gazelle
They’d be free of old god corruption since there’s, well, no old gods there
there is also the Twilight dragonflight and the remnant of the black dragonflight in the Island expeditions that were looking for the Dragon Isles
plain violet
If my suspicions are correct, and if this place is the place mentionned in the T...
I think we will see more of taurens too.
pulsar minnow
there is also the Twilight dragonflight and the remnant of the black dragonfligh...
We kinda dealt with that in BFA
plain violet
I was surprised to see, in the datamining of the centaur, the presence of the bloodtotem banneer.
Maybe a placeholder for the cinematic, but it is about how centaur "found" Ohn'ara plains.
pulsar minnow
We went on like a bombing run through Grim Batol and demolished the void flight. Granted, there are still some eggs left that Wrathion might bring into the fold
austere gazelle
I was surprised to see, in the datamining of the centaur, the presence of the bl...
yes, it enforces my theory. It's maybe the place were Elune (AKA Mu'sha ) and An'she befriended the Elementals and used them to seed life
plain violet
My personal theory would be "they were in HIghmountain before Highmountain was a thing, they fleed the massacre of those taurens"
dense plover
Maybe a placeholder for the cinematic, but it is about how centaur "found" Ohn'a...
definitely placeholder
each clan has its own name
and they were guided to the dragon isles by ohn'ahra
an eagle spirit
plain violet
That's why. :p
dense plover
though tauren may still be a thing
plain violet
THe eagle spirit also have a link with bloodtotem taurens.
dense plover
since some of the raid models are element infused tauren
plain violet
Wait for me to find it back.
dense plover
oh youre right
pulsar minnow
Ohn’ahra is linked with the Survival Artifact Weapon
dense plover
im sorry
dense plover
its very possible some of them followed the centaur to the dragon isles
plain violet
But the logo below and above are bloodtotems symbols.
That or they are the cause the centaurs have fleed to the dragon isles.
austere gazelle
But when and where do those centaurs came from... The original lore had them created by Remulos and theradras...
plain violet
Like, maybe before Highmountain was even a thing, they were in a war against each others.
dense plover
But when and where do those centaurs came from... The original lore had them cr...
i mean - they are newer than that
pulsar minnow
But when and where do those centaurs came from... The original lore had them cr...
Before the sundering they just kinda pulled up
plain violet
We know those centaurs are before, and were send to the dragon isles by following Ohn'ara.
dense plover
they came after that
im pretty sure they come over after the sundering
they had a wild god guide them
austere gazelle
I suspect that ohn'ahra took a part of the centaur tribes from desolace and they crossed a timestream in the past to the dragon Isle
dense plover
I suspect that ohn'ahra took a part of the centaur tribes from desolace and they...
thats too complicated and unneccesary
plain violet
Desolace centaurs don't have the same origins.
They are talked about as people who crossed to join the isles.
austere gazelle
Desolace centaurs don't have the same origins.
Then you have two types of centaurs that came from two different sources?
plain violet
Yeah...
pulsar minnow
The Green Dragons had a history with the Centaurs. So the centaurs were definitely were there before the sundering because the dragons left the moment the sundering happened
plain violet
So maybe the bloodtotems massacred the centaurs, that fleed to Ohn'ara plains;
In the same way, in Kalimdor, the centaurs massacred the taurens that fleed Desolace.
austere gazelle
The Green Dragons had a history with the Centaurs. So the centaurs were definite...
yeah, unless its the centaurs created by Remulos and theradras that happened to be pulled in the past somehow. For the moment, the only origin of the centaurs we know are those born from this union
plain violet
We were explicitly told they are not from this union.
austere gazelle
But since the elements are involved and theradras was the daughter of Therazane, there might be something else at play
plain violet
"At an unknown point before the War of the Ancients, Ohn'ahra blessed the Maruuk clan, led by Maruuk and Teera, and guided them to the Ohn'ahran Plains on the Dragon Isles, where they subsequently settled and founded a new life."
dense plover
btw - unrelated - for anyone who has alpha, please install the wowhead client so that npc data can be sent to wowhead for people like me who cant play and want to dig through stuff
plain violet
Ohn'ara is a tricky wild god. We know Ohn'ara love Highmountain and was here.
We know bloodtotem have a history with it too, not only the highmountain highmountain.
We know also he could appear to Odyn's domain to see a bit what hunters were doing..
austere gazelle
"At an unknown point before the War of the Ancients, Ohn'ahra blessed the Maruuk...
can still be a clan that went lost to time from desolace into the past and settled into highmountain at that time
After all, we had orcs , human and whatever that took part in the WotA
plain violet
Yeah, no, really. The video also talk about them predating the sundering, and the war. ^^'
We had one orc, for WotA.
That was not "a complete population of orcs"
austere gazelle
Since the infinite dragonflight will be involved somehow , I'm kinda expecting some twist like that
plain violet
Also, the centaurs are justified to be another origin because of their appareance.
They are not "ugly".
austere gazelle
That was not "a complete population of orcs"
Well, we'll see
plain violet
But the devs told us multiple time "not Desolace centaurs"
austere gazelle
There is also a possibility that some earth elemental powerful enough mated with the new life / wild gods that possibly were created at that time and gave birth to a species of centaurs
plain violet
The infinite dragonflight will have some implications on things, sure. But not being the origin of a race. :p
dense plover
heres another question - what caused kyranos to awaken? is it azeroth healing?
like - whatever triggered this is significant right?
we still dont have some basic answers
austere gazelle
on the cinematic you see azerite reaching the shores
dense plover
on the cinematic you see azerite reaching the shores
thats not azerite
pulsar minnow
I think the island just responded to the return of the Dragons
plain violet
I think the centaurs, this species, was created maybe by another yes.
plain violet
because it occured right before the dragons return
Elemental energies surging again.
dense plover
also it doesnt have the golden glow of azerite, and the lava pumping out of the earth suddenly makes it seem like azeroth is waking up or something
plain violet
Azeroth is healing, yup.
dense plover
healing or waking up
plain violet
That's the point of the dragon isles, healing, wait a bit..
pulsar minnow
Alexstrasza said in the cinematic that “You will feel our return in the waking of the land”
“Then you must light the Beacon of Tyrhold, lest the path home be lost to us”
plain violet
"Surging with elemental magic and the life energies of Azeroth,"
dense plover
yeah and she also says "the world is healing, but her fate is uncertain"
so like - how is what we do in dragonflight tied to helping azeroth?
pulsar minnow
The dragons are Azeroth’s protectors
dense plover
i guess some of that is going to be the primalists trying to take the seat of power
and they probably are too fragmented and weak to stop them alone
austere gazelle
for me that's azerite coming from underwater^^
Concept art :
dense plover
but we still dont really know the motivations of the primalists right?
dense plover
for me that's azerite coming from underwater^^
Concept art :
i think its just azeroth in general
upper pasture
I wonder with the primal energies surging will we see our favorite raid boss again?
dense plover
thats the color of her blood, but its also her like - energy
remember, the spells from the necklace look like that too
and theres no way the dragon isles appeared during BfA
otherwise there wouldnt have been dragons looking for them
upper pasture
dense plover
i still think they originally planned to have dragon isles right after bfa
but it was probably totally different conceptually and it didnt work with the story they wanted to tell
plain violet
so like - how is what we do in dragonflight tied to helping azeroth?
From what I see, helping aspects regaining their powers..
dense plover
thats fair
plain violet
But surely the emerald dream bit will be used also.
Like...
Dracthyrs talk about feeling the dream stained.
dense plover
still curious about the primalists though - i want to know their motivations since theyve clearly been around since before neltharion was deathwing
plain violet
But we know that if the Dream is good, Azeroth is good too.
upper pasture
They were the protectors before giving up those powers to stop DW
austere gazelle
i still think they originally planned to have dragon isles right after bfa
right after legion even.
Death of Chromies scenario was told to be " a prequel to some dragons stuff in a next expansion "
pulsar minnow
still curious about the primalists though - i want to know their motivations sin...
They see the Titans as tyrants and the Dragon Aspects as willing slaves
dense plover
They see the Titans as tyrants and the Dragon Aspects as willing slaves
but the titans are gone now
so why fight?
do the primalists want to wipe out all of the titanic creations?
upper pasture
Probably
dense plover
do they want to wipe out the titans ala sargeras?
do they want to kill azeroth since she is a titan?
austere gazelle
so why fight?
The titans shaped the earth and Azeroth in a certain way and their influence are still there. moreover, they maybe don't want Azeroth to awaken
dense plover
i need to know!
pulsar minnow
The titans are still chilling. The Primalists see the Dragon Aspects and the Dragons as minions of the titans
dense plover
The titans are still chilling. The Primalists see the Dragon Aspects and the Dra...
well, titans are sorta trapped in the pantheon as a fragment of their former selves
plain violet
Primalists don't like titans and dragons yeah, they see the world as being used as a garden, pawn.
dense plover
they cant really leave unless they want sargeras to be free
pulsar minnow
When was that established?
plain violet
It's like when a country feel another is controlling it, you see?
rain cave
but the titans are gone now
For now
plain violet
"Yeah, sure, but Robert, you are dwelving too much in OUR affairs"
austere gazelle
Maybe the Primalist want the world to grow naturally, and awaken without any influence. The titans came and tinkered everything and put engines everywhere in it
dense plover
When was that established?
during the end of legion?
plain violet
Maybe the Primalist want the world to grow naturally, and awaken without any inf...
Yeah.
rain cave
Also we don't know if the titans are trapped
dense plover
when the titans in the raid talk about how they gave up most of their power
plain violet
Their propagand is this.
dense plover
and are now fragments of their former selves
plain violet
They also are bullies.
dense plover
and are essentially just there to trap sargeras now
pulsar minnow
during the end of legion?
Yeah but they imprisoned Sargeras. When was it said they were trapped there as fragments?
plain violet
Because they are big, powerful, and are.. "well we should control this world so"
plain violet
BUT they don't want titan tinkering.
dense plover
and they sent most of their power to the keepers on azeroth
rain cave
For all we know the titan's zipped back to order realm to put sarg on trial
austere gazelle
The titans are not trapped... Sort of. They must stay to bind Sargeras because their powers is just a fragment of their former selves. They can't do anything else anymore... yet ?
dense plover
The titans are not trapped... Sort of. They must stay to bind Sargeras because t...
thats what im saying
they cant leave
because then sargeras would be able to break free
austere gazelle
Pretty sure they'll come to an understanding and Sargeras will be an ally in the future :p
rain cave
I doubt they're all just giving each other Awkward eye contact while Illildan starves at their toes
rain cave
Pretty sure they'll come to an understanding and Sargeras will be an ally in the...
Sargeras was manipulated by dreadlords
So I can see it
austere gazelle
Sargeras was manipulated by dreadlords
yep, we still don't know if what they told him about the goal of corrupting a world soul is true or not...
rain cave
They just flew off on their ship
Probably back to order realm
To meet the other titans
And report to their superiors
austere gazelle
cause Nzoth was pretty much quick to corrupt Azeroth's world soul in BFA while he was just freed, without any physical empire. While he had an unknown numbers of centuries with his buddy to corrupt the world soul prior and never did it. for me there is something fishy
pulsar minnow
Regardless, the Titans won, and their creations are still doing their business for them on Azeroth. The Aspects are hated by the Primalists in the same way those who drank the Blood of Mannoroth were hated by the purist Orcs
upper pasture
I mean, maybe N’zoth lied about his powers to seem unbeatable?
uncut lintel
the unused tints 
upper pasture
I wonder how we will obtain them, maybe each class will get one for a prepatch event?
pulsar minnow
There’s not a mail set though
uncut lintel
yes there is
upper pasture
Not yet
pulsar minnow
I thought the recolored shaman set was a Druid set
upper pasture
Yeah mage/Druid/shammy/pally
pulsar minnow
Shows how much I know about Mail sets. I really need to start farming for my Dracthyr
uncut lintel
its ok
upper pasture
But I’m saying maybe we’re getting one unused tint set for each class
upper pasture
It truly would be.
uncut lintel
i want like
dragon themed only for evokers
just dragon heads, carvings, bones, claws
hats it
thats it*
every xpac its more dragon
crimson jasper
for me that's azerite coming from underwater^^
Concept art :
Super late reply, just at work, they answered this in a qna, it's just translucent alage stuff, nothing magic or anything, sorry idk the right English terms on these water plants xd
uncut lintel
for me that's azerite coming from underwater^^
Concept art :
AYE CHAMPIONS, TIME TO FARM AZERITE UNDER WATER
austere gazelle
Super late reply, just at work, they answered this in a qna, it's just transluce...
oh oki, that's a shame. But it might be related to Azerite eitherway since its Azeroth essence anyway
crimson jasper
from what they said in the interview it is just a natural phenomenon, unrelated to azerite
uncut lintel
no wwe dont need more azerite
austere gazelle
Its the progressive awakening of the Earthmother
austere gazelle
pulsar minnow
It’s the God the Taurens worship
uncut lintel
THEY COPIED THE MOVIE MOANA
austere gazelle
It’s the God the Taurens worship
It's Azeroth. Baine spilled the bean in BFA " Why are we fighting while our Earthmother is dying "
crimson jasper
welp back to work, just saw this while skimming through and since I knew the answer, there ya go, laters^^
uncut lintel
bye shuja
pulsar minnow
It's Azeroth. Baine spilled the bean in BFA " Why are we fighting while our Eart...
Ya
uncut lintel
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Earth_Mother
maybe at end of xpac she will heal azeroth