its cute
#beta-ptr-spoilers
uncut lintel
ember blaze
maybe they make it into anniversary gift
proper palm
Imagine u tryhard to 500 mount when the 200 mount hf is better
uncut lintel
no
proper palm
😂
uncut lintel
if we know blizzard
ember blaze
@uncut lintelwe got deathwing
uncut lintel
its gonna be money or hard to get
pulsar minnow
Almost all the “x mounts collected” rewards are just recolors
uncut lintel
<@216765193047375872>we got deathwing
thats a dragon
i find that less valuable than a murloc
when even is the anniversary
proper palm
Yeah but mount for achivement still "rare" mount model (raid)
uncut lintel
it cuold be a rare drop
uncut lintel
im just happy the achieve mount isnt a yeti
i want the otter
its cute
OTTER YES
cunning fossil
Well yes but it's a unique recolor
uncut lintel
u cant have too many cute otters
cunning fossil
That's what I mean lol
crimson jasper
tldr "I don't like it so it sucks cause l cant pose with it in Stormwind"
uncut lintel
Otter is litteraly the same rare mount of BFA horse
how the fuck u comparing an otter to a horse
uncut lintel
oh youre one of those
it needs to be rare or its bad people
i like the otter i hope they keep it
its better than that stupid pixelated yeti
pulsar minnow
If they really wanted to change the mount I guess they could just make it magically fly using Tuskarr friendship rainbows
proper palm
They will keep it since they are lazy
pulsar minnow
What would you really prefer over the otter?
uncut lintel
gay tuskarr
uncut lintel
They will keep it since they are lazy
they are lazy yet they listened to feedback and changed the mount
u think the otter is lazy
compared to the yeti it is 10x better
proper palm
Flying shit to start 😂
uncut lintel
yea idk why all the mounts even if ground ones cant fly
still though
im happy with it
in 5 years ill get 50 more mounts and get it 
subtle oar
pulsar minnow
At the same time though I don’t really care about 500 Mount rewards, so my opinion is probably skewed. I’m gonna be on my Highland Drake all expansion long and I couldn’t be happier with it
I love the new Drake skeleton
subtle oar
If we got Panda Druids, I'd maim Feral, fr @uncut lintel
uncut lintel
TRANSMOG
proper palm
I care about 500 Mount reward b'cause i farm for it xD
uncut lintel
id race change
proper palm
If we don't have another armored otter in the collection.. Ok why not
subtle oar
We could be panda cats together 
uncut lintel
I care about 500 Mount reward b'cause i farm for it xD
you do realize, doesnt mattter who u r, u have to farm them anyway, so it doesnt matter if you care or not, not everyone has same opinion 
i love the otter
proper palm
But it's not the case ;_; 5 otter mount in this expension
uncut lintel
ok but u act like its the end of the world
we have like 50 fucking dragons andare getting more
this is our first stash of otter mounts
im just happy we are getting more things like otters, lizards, and other creatures
uncut lintel
evn if it is a ground mount for 500 achieve
uncut lintel
https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1069647.jpg
SEE
I WANT A BLUE ONE
plain violet
YES.
subtle oar
But it's not the case ;_; 5 otter mount in this expension
Dude, I hope they give us 10 more
proper palm
Yeah but likewise just because a person likes otters doesn't make this a good idea, most collectors are upset and want something worth the effort
uncut lintel
^^
plain violet
WE WILL HAVE A BLUE ONE.
crimson jasper
Yeah but likewise just because a person likes otters doesn't make this a good id...
you literally asked for a raid mount recolor, that's also just a recolor of something we already have ;p
uncut lintel
Yeah but likewise just because a person likes otters doesn't make this a good id...
and im not disgareeing with it
uncut lintel
even i would of prefered like a flying mount for it but its still better than the yeti and tahts wut im gonna keep comparing it too
crimson jasper
Also "worth the effort" is very subjective yea so
uncut lintel
also true
mossy meteor
new invite wave out
subtle oar
Also "worth the effort" is very subjective yea so
Probably the first time I've agreed with you
mossy meteor
restart your client
pulsar minnow
So I kinda forgot the lore regarding Cloud Serpents. Are they like dragons or just natural animals on Azeroth?
uncut lintel
invites for what
proper palm
you literally asked for a raid mount recolor, that's also just a recolor of some...
Raid mount (0.3%) recolor are rarer than a stupid mount from a vendor 😂
uncut lintel
Raid mount (0.3%) recolor are rarer than a stupid mount from a vendor 😂
rarity doesnt matter
proper palm
For you
uncut lintel
pulsar minnow
invites for what
Alpha
proper palm
subtle oar
@uncut lintel imagine if we could get a cloudie boi body for our Dragonriding mounts...
uncut lintel
yea bcuz i enjoy the game instead of getting mad bcuz other players have the same mount as me
crimson jasper
rarity doesnt matter
but he can flex his balls better with a "rare" one he was too bad to get from the raid ;p
subtle oar
Build your own cloudie boi
uncut lintel
and in reality
if u wanna flex something in df
dont stand here complaining abt 500 mount achieve
get the glad one or stop talking
proper palm
yea bcuz i enjoy the game instead of getting mad bcuz other players have the sam...
It's mostly that I don't like otters and I love flying mounts, I love raid mounts because they are beautiful
crimson jasper
Probably the first time I've agreed with you
it does happen it seems, can't say l always disagree with you tho
proper palm
🤡
uncut lintel
idk why this convo is even stll happening when u have the solution infront of u
crimson jasper
l'm just not as "hip" as you @subtle oar or @uncut lintel
uncut lintel
what
proper palm
'Cause you're not happy that someone doesn't like what you like, probably
uncut lintel
'Cause you're not happy that someone doesn't like what you like, probably
we like the otter
but u dont so its not good enough
the fuck?
proper palm
I just gave my opinion
subtle oar
it does happen it seems, can't say l always disagree with you tho
Oh I know. Just like with me and @cunning fossil, tho with her, I can go to their DMs and make her blush
dense plover
alpha wave is maybe going out - some people have said, but it might not be true or it might not be finished yet
uncut lintel
weather its an otter or not
but this convo is old and ur just greedy and dont want ppl to have things even if its rare bcuz of ur huge "i need to flex because im the best"
so im leaving
uncut lintel
alpha wave is maybe going out - some people have said, but it might not be true ...
pre patch when
mossy meteor
it's true peach
proper palm
8% of player have 400 mount, I don't think everyone will have it one day xD (the 500)
crimson jasper
Oh I know. Just like with me and <@247758224441344010>, tho with her, I can go t...
now that's an interesting detail l'll remember :3c
mossy meteor
i assume it's probably a smaller wave compare to last week
dense plover
it's true peach
well, so far i havent gotten in, although apparently a bunch of people who might be on the F&F list havent
idk if im still on the list or not
they dont usually remove people
uncut lintel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/771943451117748255.webp?size=96&quality=lossle...
its wesh
mossy meteor
hmm well
dense plover
im just frustrated - ive tested a lot and submitted a ton of reports
mossy meteor
just sub
dense plover
this is the first time i havent gotten into the alpha since Legion
subtle oar
but this convo is old and ur just greedy and dont want ppl to have things even i...
Yeah, it's the same argument used for not giving us back original MT appearances or access to the Pandaren Pheonix mounts. It's always greed and selfishness.
uncut lintel
how many rounds of testing do they usually do
dense plover
~~just sub~~
i cant even afford to - i lost my job recently so ive cut all unneccesary spending to stretch my money
uncut lintel
like for invites
dense plover
at least
mossy meteor
yeah
dense plover
thats when we hit phase 6
uncut lintel
Yeah, it's the same argument used for not giving us back original MT appearances...
for me, if they bring back some fomo i would hate it, but bring everything back, mounts, mogs, items, ect, then i would be happy, bringing back some just invalidates the people who did that specefic thing, but i dont wanna talk abt this convo either for the 600th time
dense plover
but i dont think theyll transition to beta
its very likely the expac will release very late this year to provide them as much time as possible
mossy meteor
i think we'll get a 'beta' anyway
ionic terrace
subtle oar
@uncut lintel @uncut lintel @uncut lintel
I was just thinking.... WHAT IF THEY GIVE US BACKPACKS LIKE THE BLACK DRAGON ONE FROM VISIONS, BUT COLOURED AFTER THE OTHER FLIGHTS?!
dense plover
omg the enhancement tree
you can go all in on stormbringer and windfury weapon and i love it
subtle oar
you can go all in on stormbringer and windfury weapon and i love it
But can you have a variation of the Classic Enh off tank build
dense plover
But can you have a variation of the Classic Enh off tank build
fuck that - give me infinite glowy button presses
subtle oar
Lol
cerulean lava
Is the new alpha build live?
dense plover
Is the new alpha build live?
no
hasnt been pushed yet
partial push happened when they pushed the wrath build
dont know if what i did is any good, but i think it would be fun
afaict, class talent tree for enh is kinda shit
uncut lintel
<@216765193047375872> <@216765193047375872> <@216765193047375872>
I was just t...
I OULD SEL LMY SOUL
uncut vault
looks like dracthyr might be getting their own unique intro to Waking Shores and dragonriding, that's neat
not sure if Lowlands is the codename for waking shores or forbidden reach though
cobalt spoke
man
cerulean lava
the new dragonflight build Xp Required changes, the left is the old one and the right is the new
cobalt spoke
shaman tree is literally everything they could've ever asked for
and shadow's is dogwater
cunning fossil
Who @ me
cunning fossil
Oh I know. Just like with me and <@247758224441344010>, tho with her, I can go t...
People do not need to know this >//>
uncut vault
MM tree is basically perfect for me now, they fixed basically all my issues lol
cunning fossil
It just released kek.
But I getcha.
I'd just wait to see how long they go without changing it at all
plain violet
Wow, galactic guardian build for guardian is harder.
cobalt spoke
When so much feedback gets put together and subsequently ignored... it gnaws on you
cunning fossil
Yeah. I hope they revert it tbh
Not many ways to deal Arcane damage as Guardian
Also fair
plain violet
Exact, they also nerfed it, it's not arcane and nature anymore, only arcane.
So it will not scale with rage of the sleeper..
cunning fossil
Yeah that absolutely sucks
Maybe they'll go back on it hopefully
It will still be a build I'll make but dang
plain violet
I hope it too.. ^^'
I will test multiple build, I really like the idea of magic bear, but still.
cunning fossil
Totally
cerulean lava
I loved the new Restoration Shaman talents tree!!
cunning fossil
I made a build BEFORE They updated it to nature and arcane
Also agreed, Shaman finally gets all that utility they have to good use
They can just do so much
plain violet
I made a build BEFORE They updated it to nature and arcane
Same, before, after, and then now.
Shaman have to many utilities, yes. 😁
cerulean lava
Yeah, Shaman is such a complete** class, that little talent tree wasn't good for him
uncut lintel
💀
cunning fossil
Lmao
cerulean lava
theres only the shaman tree in thisd build?
cunning fossil
Yhey finally unleash their true utility potential
cunning fossil
theres only the shaman tree in thisd build?
For now, shaman has been added to the existing treets
cobalt spoke
shams legit got some wild stuff
cerulean lava
okok
cobalt spoke
im jelly
uncut lintel
shamans r finally being loved
dense plover
this build is taking forever
cobalt spoke
<insert bob the builder emote>
harsh wedge
Alpha invites went out by the way, just got it
dense plover
Alpha invites went out by the way, just got it
are you subscribed?
harsh wedge
I am, and I am a main shaman for three expansions which could work with the theory of bringing players of the class ?
uncut vault
lets go gamers
dense plover
or its also about being subbed ¯_(ツ)_/¯
cunning fossil
AYO
dense plover
porter, youre subbed right?
cunning fossil
The boy got in
uncut vault
porter, youre subbed right?
game time, not active, but yes
jade basalt
Don't think it has anything to do with class, unless you're a top world player or something
dense plover
^
uncut vault
I mostly just hope beta doesnt follow these same restrictions
cause it would definitely suck if folks like peach miss out entirely due to not being subbed
dense plover
its also bad for them
historically, i account for 1-5% of first time bug reports
thats a lot
plain violet
Oh, didn't get it.. :(
jade basalt
*Accounts must have an active World of Warcraft subscription or game time to be eligible for alpha access selection.
dense plover
if i still had my blizz contact i would at least ask why theyre doing this restriction suddenly
yes thats what i said earlier
theyve for some reason decided to require a sub
so that you can test for them
which is generally kinda shitty
especially for someone like me who unsubbed because i stopped having fun in SLs and cant afford to resub now and genuinely contribute a ton of bug reports and other testing
jade basalt
If you send me your battle.net email and region I can try to get you into the next alpha invite wave
Not a guarantee but might be worth a shot
cobalt spoke
Wish I could get alpha, need to post priest feedback 
dense plover
Not a guarantee but might be worth a shot
its definitely worth a shot
cerulean lava
Requiring a subscription is like (Why would they want feedback from someone who is no longer interested in the actual game?)
dense plover
i mean, they literally changed a spell effect during legion because of my feedback
cerulean lava
I don't see so much problem on this]
dense plover
you know how the naga have that spell that summons a storm cloud that does lightning? they removed the flash and changed the pattern because of my feedback about it being migraine inducing
uncut lintel
maybe to get real feedback insteadof new randoms who dont even play the game
idk
peach
dense plover
Requiring a subscription is like (Why would they want feedback from someone who ...
i like the game, i didnt like shadowlands
uncut lintel
also i meant that as a reply but fuck me i gus
dense plover
again, have you seen my bug report records?
cobalt spoke
feel like current subs should get preference, logically speaking
cerulean lava
Yeah I understand that, but there are many many ppl that don't longer play the game anymore
dense plover
mossy meteor
peach is a 
jade basalt
I agree it makes sense to invite people with an active sub, but they could also invite people with an inactive sub if they look at other variables like how helpful they've been in past test phases like alpha, beta or PTR.
So like the Account who hasn't logged in once in the last 15 years indeed shouldn't get an invite, but the Account who provides lots of testing regularly should probably get one.
cerulean lava
yepp, I saw this yesterday I think, you're a nice beta tester but if they dont require sub lots and lots of people who don't even play the game anymore would receive the Alpha and not even know
dense plover
bugs include things like - "this ground is sloped weird" to "the dialogue is mismatched with the voice lines for quest XYZ" to making a forum post about effects that cause migraines
dense plover
yepp, I saw this yesterday I think, you're a nice beta tester but if they dont r...
it should be multifaceted
cobalt spoke
Idk at this point I'm a single issue gamer and if they don't make some moves on said issue... iunno
dense plover
and it hasnt required a sub previously
thats the bigger bother for me - it didnt previously require a sub
so why change it now?
jade basalt
Then again their logic probably is more along the lines of, if we throw 10000 players at this build then we're probably going to get the data we need anyway, like for most UAT testing
dense plover
and why exclude testers like me?
dense plover
Then again their logic probably is more along the lines of, if we throw 10000 pl...
i sent you that message btw
cobalt spoke
idk man maybe they're moneygrubbers at this point
dense plover
i appreciate you trying - again, its frustrating being on the other side of this and not having a contact anymore
dense plover
idk man maybe they're moneygrubbers at this point
i think its probably more complicated
possibly related to someone somewhere wanting ACTIVE players
and someone else misunderstanding or screwing that up
cobalt spoke
mayb
idk the way I see it, I don't have alpha, everything I care about in alpha is going poorly, so I am a sad panda
cerulean lava
and why exclude testers like me?
It's not that they don't want you, it's just that they don't know you want Alpha, because the drop is mostly random
cobalt spoke
also only the 2nd wave
dense plover
It's not that they don't want you, it's just that they don't know you want Alpha...
im fairly certain i used to be on the F&F list though
cobalt spoke
so hope for next week
dense plover
so that doesnt make a ton of sense
uncut vault
I think you very likely would have this week if you were subbed
cerulean lava
If they saw how many bugs you reported they would probably invite you to alpha
uncut vault
I always get in second build, second wave
cobalt spoke
shrug
uncut vault
ever since MoP
cobalt spoke
maybe they just changed things
uncut vault
err, WoD
dense plover
ive been in first alpha since BfA
during legion i won a key
warlords i got in mid-beta by luck
cobalt spoke
Think the earliest I've gotten into a beta was legion or wod idr now
cerulean lava
I never got the Alpha :PP
devout tartan
Many testers and theorycrafters don't have yet too
cobalt spoke
yea that's the biggest issue for me
devout tartan
Not rly certain about this one
cobalt spoke
people who know how specs work can't get feedback in
I think one of the priest theorycrafters finally got in 
dense plover
nearly 15 year uninterrupted sub btw
SLs is the first time ive unsubbed since cata
cerulean lava
I remember almost every week of Shadowlands Alpha/Beta wave I was waiting for a drop but I didn't get it
dense plover
i just wasnt having fun, and endwalker was coming out
devout tartan
Maybe less alpha spots I dunno
cobalt spoke
well my sub never lapsed I should say
I took a short mental break at the end of dazaralor
cerulean lava
i just wasnt having fun, and endwalker was coming out
Yeah, all this Korthia shit, domination shards etc was so boring
I unsubscribed too
cobalt spoke
Missed out on jaina ce
dense plover
actually i was pissed at the story
cerulean lava
the story too
dense plover
the total lack of motivation for the jailer and they did my boy kelthuzad dirty
cerulean lava
so boring
dense plover
i just lost interest
cobalt spoke
I'm just glad that sylv is out of the picture finally
dense plover
and i play for the story
cobalt spoke
way too many expansions giga focused on her
cerulean lava
The only thing I liked about the story was Revendreth
uncut vault
felt like they were too afraid to pull another deathwing and give her two fights
so they shoved all their ideas into one and it turned out really long and drawn out
cobalt spoke
p2 could've just not existed
with a slightly longer p1 and p3, fight woulda be great
uncut vault
if only theyd put all that animation/modeling work from phase 2 into phase 1, and had her actually rip apart torghast
instead of just little baby spikes
uncut vault
Basically yeah
the dungeon journal sounded so cool, but then the actual fight was just tiny little chunks on the edge of the arena
I was expecting more like this lol
cobalt spoke
yea rives were
not really impressive but just really annoying
esp the mythic ones
cerulean lava
I really liked the Sludgefist fight, like, the Castle Nathria almost all of it was pretty cool, I just didn't like too much the Stone Legion Generals fight, but it wasn't so bad
barren vigil
alpha still down?
ember blaze
the dungeon journal sounded so cool, but then the actual fight was just tiny lit...
the whole platform hopping in the journal sounded more cool than reality
and chasing after her
mossy meteor
hmm so how do you get alpha
i see a lot of people that are like, normal people, get alpha
kinda jealous
cerulean lava
From the Dungeon Journal, the Jailer fight looked very interesting and fun, but in reality it was pretty basic imo
barren vigil
just register and hope your get RNGed
cerulean lava
for a final boss
cobalt spoke
just register and hope your get RNGed
cerulean lava
I think the wave is gone, if you haven't received it I think it's only next week now
cerulean lava
I saw a guy on twitter who received the Alpha today
tropic trail
Can confirm a new wave went out, just got in
Anyone know when alpha servers go back online?
cunning fossil
Nope
cunning fossil
Everyone is in the darj
ivory meadow
i see a lot of people that are like, normal people, get alpha
be subbed and hope for rng
or have active game time
mossy meteor
yeah
the only time i didn't have active game time/sub was for a few weeks before 9.1
but that was because i was doing ptr testing
¯_(ツ)_/¯
pulsar minnow
I got into BFA Beta and Shadowlands Beta. I only got Shadowlands because I won an art contest held by MrGM
I highly doubt I’d get into Alpha
upper pasture
Kek
cunning fossil
also I would legitimately love to do testing. It sounds fun and fulfilling
upper pasture
It is but can cause burnout too
pulsar minnow
Same! I would do so much testing (I will not report a single bug)
upper pasture
I beta test WotLK and let me tell you my drive to play DKs at launch was zero after testing them for so long
cerulean lava
Basically yeah
I just saw you on Twitter rn 😂 , grats
uncut vault
Thanks haha
dense plover
still not out
this is crazy
fingers crossed ill get in next time with some help 😦
barren vigil
yeah anyone whos anyone got into the alpha. im suprised at those who didnt honestly
pulsar minnow
Are the new frames in?
barren vigil
alpha is still down atm
pulsar minnow
These were datam8ned I think
Yeah I remember hearing that
cunning fossil
It looks cool as hell though
I am so pumped
So many times I've seen an add on and went "dang I'd like to do that...but I don't like having to manage a ton of addons"
So now it's all in the base UI and it's gonna be on a per spec basis
I hope we can move buffs
upper pasture
It’s fine, I didn’t want to be in the stupid alpha… sniffle
cunning fossil
Finalyy
dense plover
now i wait for it to be uploaded and processed on wow.tools since i cant play this week
mossy meteor
Twitter
cunning fossil
Oo
mossy meteor
late build tbh
cunning fossil
👀
ember blaze
@dense ploveranything about those new world quests? 🤔
dense plover
working my way there
ember blaze
also, launch dec 31 waiting room 😭
dense plover
quests themselves will be server side
but im looking for the garr talent thing
broadcast text
theres some stuff about the Khanam Matra not wanting to join the primalists - i think this is the centaurs
looks like the drakthyr intro has some kind of conflict between malygos and neltharion or at least the blues and blacks
cunning fossil
Your auto-attacks have a 20% chance to hurl weapons at your target and 3 other enemies in front of you, dealing an additional (20% of Attack power) Physical damage.
This is awesone
dense plover
seems like all the text about raszageth being friends with neltharion have been cut - he is just a villain now? probably being rewritten
"Dracthyr's Wheelchair" - this is listed under creatures
cobalt spoke
cunning fossil
Gimped drakthyr
dense plover
Unlock the Hunting Bakar companion during Shikaar Hunting Parties. When your Bakar companion attacks an enemy below 20% health it will go for the throat, inflicting Physical damage and restoring health to you.
looks like hunting stuff has companions that you bring with you that do different stuff
Companion: Ohuna Unlock the Shikaar Ohuna companion during Shikaar Hunting Parties Your speed is increased by 10%. This bonus is increased to 70% for 5 seconds after slaying an enemy
i think bakar and ohuna are different creatures
ohuna is some kind of bird
bakar is some kind of legged beast
Proof of Prowess Slaying a creature grants 1% increased primary and stamina for 30 seconds. This effect stacks up to 20 times. this used to be called Monster Slayer and is likely related to the hunts
Shikaar Mentorship Shikaar Hunters will grant you a boon, increasing one of your secondaries for the duration of the Hunting Party.
thats pretty much it for those files
[DNT] Voice (Wont appear in public builds) in chrcustomizationoption
so its likely that voice is just being tied to body type for now
haughty houndBOT
DNT - https://ptr.wowhead.com/quest=47658/dnt - PTR 9.2.7
dense plover
they also removed the strings related to pronouns
i wouldnt be surprised if they put them somewhere else
Thaelin Darkanvil at the Dragonscale Basecamp to pursue additional Ancient Waygates across the Dragon Isles. - looks like the waygates are being handled by dwarves?
cunning fossil
Interesting
cunning fossil
```Thaelin Darkanvil at the Dragonscale Basecamp to pursue additional Ancient Wa...
Kind makes sense?
dense plover
¯_(ツ)_/¯
surprised it isnt a bronzebeard or something
@uncut vault old build
new build
its all icy now
and the bubble is gone
i wonder if the blue dragons are doing bad stuff or if its related to the primalists
theres this whole weird crazy spiral thing here now
uncut vault
sand almost looks snowy, weird
dense plover
it is snow
its snow and ice
but its not there on the normal map, only the instanced
mossy meteor
nomi is back
cunning fossil
Uh oh
dense plover
no other changes on that grand time adventure map
but the one i found is fairly substatial
cunning fossil
This looks fun
cobalt spoke
So they took it away for shadowlands, only to reintroduce it if you have the right stats?
cunning fossil
What do u mean?
cobalt spoke
they ditched potion proccing in SL, and now they're bringing it back if you have the right profession stats?
upper pasture
Potion mastery?
cunning fossil
Potion mastery hasn't been in for a long while yho
upper pasture
But it still functioned didn’t it?
cobalt spoke
I know I was extremely upset they removed it since I did all those questlines
Hell I think my alchemy still shows "potion master" in my spellbook
yep
but I suppose it coming back.. in whatever form is good
dense plover
cant find anything else significant other than they went through and cleaned up the intro version of the drakthyr map
something to note - it is distinct from the in world version, implying that we will in fact return there as its own zone
probably for WQs or a dungeon or something
cunning fossil
but I suppose it coming back.. in whatever form is good
Well at least now it makes sense and it actually does something
cobalt spoke
Yea at least they're not just neutering alchy like ppl have been clamoring for them to do
I like my double duration flasks
cunning fossil
I like my double duration flasks
There are no flasks in DF
cobalt spoke
double duration consumable that lasts through death*
cunning fossil
Lmao
Ha I got yo
But yeah I believe they said that will indeed be a thing in the spec teee
Tree*
Can't wait for that
cobalt spoke
profs getting expanded is poggers
I just hope they don't end up being annoying grindy
I know they said they wouldn't but
They also said that Shadowlands was the most alt friendly expansion ever
cunning fossil
Fair.
cosmic beacon
@uncut lintel
uncut lintel
LOL
cunning fossil
Lmao
uncut vault
they want to make sure peach gets his invite first before enabling it 
cunning fossil
Lmao
dense plover
they want to make sure peach gets his invite first before enabling it <:murloc:2...
i wish
cobalt otter
Thoughts on nightmare dragon for 500 mounts?
signal bone
the otter is cool, but you know they're going to have like 5 more available
cobalt otter
There is 10 total datamined otter mounts
cobalt otter
EN boss
signal bone
I really wish Blizz would just add one mount model for everything
not to bring up FF, but it's just way better that you see someone on a mount and instantly know where they got it and how.
signal bone
that would be cool
I hope we see the slime cat soon
I want them to add a cooler broomstick mount
where you ride it sideways
cobalt otter
I wanna do a hash tag but I'm 99.9% sure it's against the rules
mossy meteor
ember blaze
dec 31 waiting room 😭
dense plover
i have my old 1145 bug reports from SLs beta pic
i keep them around like trophies XD
build is up
languid yoke
ayo new skinning animation?
proper palm
From reddit xd
uncut vault
man, this build is terrible for stability lmao
pulsar minnow
I've been watching Maximum run through the new dungeons and he's dc'ing like every 5 seconds
also, ya'll seen the timeskip news? 👀
ember blaze
man, this build is *terrible* for stability lmao
i'll take it off your back. 🙂
uncut vault
also, ya'll seen the timeskip news? 👀
a lot of implications lol
pulsar minnow
I honestly kind of like it.
ember blaze
yeah, but got dropped 🤷
pulsar minnow
Would also work better to age up Wrathion some more so that he's not like 10 years old when/if he takes up the mantle of Aspect
He's roughly 11 now if I remember correctly
He was a young Drake in BFA and his features were still not fully developed. In DF his horns have now grown in, though he's still missing the dragon-neck fin thing that most adult dragons have
tulip sun
A timeskip aint gonna help him being young
pulsar minnow
Maybe not but like 2-3 years would be pretty cool to just give the world a chance to breathe for once, and for some characters to change a little bit
dense plover
a lot of implications lol
im just seeing this now
"Several years have passed since Azeroth's heroes returned from the realms of Death."
the fuck?
that cant be real
dense plover
i mean - im not neccesarily against it
but its a lot to just drop in a side conversation
pulsar minnow
If they want to do a time skip they need to release like another cinematic or something in-game or during the questline that says it's been a couple years
Especially if Horde players don't get this dialogue
uncut vault
if they wanted to be cheeky
they could always do an opening cinematic that starts with maiev's voice
deep pawn
Hard to do a timeskip as well without updating the old world at all.
uncut vault
going "four years have passed..."
deep pawn
Like... there'd be some recovery from the Cataclysm.
pulsar minnow
Hard to do a timeskip as well without updating the old world at all.
Well Stormwind Harbor is getting a makeover if I remember correctly
deep pawn
If we see new models for Thrall's kids we'll know it's real.
pulsar minnow
And maybe a timeskip would be apart of the Pre-Patch content?
Because Uldaman is going to be apart of it (again correct me if I'm wrong) and that's in the Badlands where Deathwing left a ton of damage. Maybe they'll slightly repair the place?
dense plover
And maybe a timeskip would be apart of the Pre-Patch content?
thats a bad idea
prepatch stuff doesnt stay
it needs to be part of the intro or it needs to not happen
uncut vault
time skip seems to be basically immediately after 9.2.5
it mentions after we returned from the Shadowlands, which was essentially then
so assuming it does end up staying, I wouldnt be surprised if we see some sort of quests updating us on various places in the world
gilneas, lordaeron, and nordrassil if nothing else
especially since Tirisfal is one of the locations we're going in prepatch
tender cypress
If we don't see the changes in the game, the time skip loses lot of weight
Meanwhile, Drek'thar...
cunning fossil
Lol
glad niche
Keep in mind with the several year thing. That dialogue was only visible before the new alpha phase
It's gone now in phase 2.
uncut lintel
o - o
glad niche
Meaning don't think too heavily on it for now. It's not been used in live yet, and it's now gone in the alpha. It could have been a misplaced seed form anywhere in the timeline. Or scrapped content they forgot to scrape off the sidewalk. Seeing as very particular parameters were needed to even see it.
uncut lintel
what
glad niche
The topic from posts around 40 minutes ago
Not that my replies will be read but it's in regards to that
jade basalt
Ayup
cunning fossil
Ngl, I am so sick of the horde getting people who are just perpetually angry/annoyed.
Is it bad that I think this way?
Because every time a new race that joins the horde, there is always the underlying point of "they're very very angry. They might hurt my alliance counter part"
vernal juniper
just woke up, have they did a key wave?
uncut vault
Because every time a new race that joins the horde, there is always the underlyi...
the above thing isnt about HvA
the sundered flames join the primalists
ember blaze
just woke up, have they did a key wave?
yes.
vernal juniper
Sadge, I think paying 5 accounts every month is not enough
ember blaze
just become a successful content creator
vernal juniper
So, only content creators has been in second wave? No normies?
uncut vault
Im definitely a normie, I got in
vernal juniper
you are not a normie, you are popular on twitter.
uncut vault
lol, dracthyr can infinitely glide by sliding along water surfaces
it never forces them to land
vernal juniper
I saw something the past week, it is a mess
we have a lot of "new missives" and "9.2.5 looks like enchants"
so a lot of spam of the same item, with different quality and different enchants in the ah
Imho, for what I saw 90% will be trashed
cunning fossil
How do you figure?
cunning fossil
Imho, for what I saw 90% will be trashed
that may be the case at the start but it probably won't work further than half way through.
ALso there is no actual economy on Alpha so those rank 1 items may still be decent enough for lower end players to purchase
uncut vault
vernal juniper
that may be the case at the start but it probably won't work further than half w...
I don't think so. This is what will happen. Big whales will buy a ton of mats with the X-region Auction house and they will max out in 1 day. so they will have the best gear out. All the gear below the max rank will be almost useless in 1 day.
(I can't rememeber daily cDs, but I only saw leveling until 50 not to 100)
cunning fossil
I don't think so. This is what will happen. Big whales will buy a ton of mats wi...
NO one will be able to acquire max rank gear day one though.
And below max rank items and armor can still be upgraded through recrafting
also Mat quality is a huge factor in this.
if all they buy is basic mats, they're not gonna make very high quality crafts
and there are no daily CDs. They deliberately made leveling from 1 to 50 instead of one to max so that you have to engage with the work order system in order to rank up somewhat
You can't even max out until other people max out with you
if people aren't maxing out their gathering professions and aren't specifically pushing mats that you yourself are going to use, you are not going to make anything higher than tier 3 gear
vernal juniper
I can't see why.
vernal juniper
People will max out gathering for you, they wants gold, they will post mats and mats in ah.
cunning fossil
But they also have to spec into a specific type of gathering in order to give you the mats you need
and you yourtself have to choose exactly what kind of crafts you want to make also
because if you want to make the best longswords, you'
ll actually have to spec into making swords and longbladed weapons
cunning fossil
you will not be able to just make everything at a high level
cunning fossil
the pool of mats will be huge
but will they be quality mats?
vernal juniper
yes, for the law of big numbers.
you will have ten of thousands of people who will gather, with a shared Auction house, mats will be there
cunning fossil
yes, and they will all be gathering mats that are subpar to what you want to make,
which means you willmake subpar items for a bit. but people will still buy them because they can eventually be upgraded anyways
analog sphinx
cunning fossil
and with the work order syustem, I don't see how people will be able to corner the market on the best gear or whatever because there will only be so much gear you can actualy recraft at higher item level
vernal juniper
and with the work order syustem, I don't see how people will be able to corner t...
use 2 accounts, create orders for yourself. EZ.
cunning fossil
like, you can't make high grade armor if you specced into weaponsmithing
vernal juniper
As I said, I said big Whales.
Big whales will have 4-5 toons with the same profession at day 1.
cunning fossil
use 2 accounts, create orders for yourself. EZ.
"EZ"
like people will commonly do this.
and if they want to go this length to have high money in video game then that's them I guess.
cunning fossil
Big whales will have 4-5 toons with the same profession at day 1.
THis is just a no lifing issue in the game
at that point, blizz can't fix that shit
if people legit want to sit 20hours a day on a game so that they can get fake currency, fine
~~but also the fact of the matter is that you're not gonna be the only one on the server who can be a hiogh level in aprofession spec
eventually, especially if you charge a ludicrous price, you will be undercut and you'll lose business
and then the money stops
Well, at least naturally. WoW token is still a thing of course
but like again, you can't fix no life gamers
At some point, it isn't a "Blizz is doing this wrong" shit
it's a "This game legitimately has no lifers who do ntohing but play this game for hours and hours on end" problem
dense plover
Big whales will have 4-5 toons with the same profession at day 1.
The real problem with this idea, is that if you wanted to have every profession and every specialization, it’s not just leveling them, you also have to do quests or find recipes
The limitation lies in how you gain recipes and specialization points and knowledge points
Not to mention there being like 6 specializations per profession, at least
cunning fossil
Thank you peach for being better than me at explanations
plain violet
Do some have screens of the dracthyr intro Horde side?
rain cave
I wonder if there's a hate side to the horde into too
Like the alliance
What would they even hate dragons for? If anything they'd be apologising for the shit in the second war
Orgrimmar didn't get hit that hard by the cataclysm, and even then thrall worked against deathwing literally as the earth aspect standin with the dragons
And the horde knows about being used as soldiers under mind control
Undead and orcs
Sounds like they'd be right at home
plain violet
Agree on that, and the dragon-slavers orcs were not really in a good shape after MoP...
But we know, at least, that the leaders welcoming the dracthyrs, are.. welcoming.
rain cave
Transmog their tabard onto a dracthyr
plain violet
Mayla and Baine are "okay, sure, come with us 😁"
rain cave
Actually don't Dracthyr already kind of dislike dragons themselves?
That's why they join a faction
They are suspicious after being controlled by them
And locked away
I do wonder if the visage form plotpoint turalyon brought up will bear fruit
Infinite dragon flight instead of forcefully changing events, they go back and infiltrate in visage forms to change events
And we need to use the method turalyon wants from Shaw
plain violet
Actually don't Dracthyr already kind of dislike dragons themselves?
Quite the contrary. Some dracthyrs join the primalists because they break their vow to serve the dragons.
But us playables dracthyrs still have our vow, our oath to them
plain violet
If you talk about primalists, yeah, totally dislike dragons
If you talk about Alliance/Horde, not at alll.
rain cave
So why they joining the factions lol
plain violet
Maybe the plotpoint will be reused later, yes..
plain violet
So why they joining the factions lol
To help with the expedition. :)
The dragons told to, they are "yeah, sure. 😁"
And at this occasion one say "enough I will not serve dragons anymore", and join the primalists.
tulip sun
Dark Talons join the Horde
Obsidian Warders the alliance
Viridia and the Healing Wings go off to the dragon isles solo to help those in need
and Sarkareth and the Ebon Scales rebrand themselves and go badbad
plain violet
Interesting...
cerulean lava
glad niche
I think its a nice shade but, maybe needs a more contrasting or complementing skin tone
sullen dawn
What you dont like puke green?
sullen dawn
Should probably see a doctor if your puke is red
uncut lintel
well i cant say wut i actually want to say here so
i made it puke red
@sullen dawn u gonna play dracthyr?
uncut lintel
whoaa
rain cave
Minecraft Achievement ui
rain cave
that green is awful
Nobody tell fur about the green dragonflight
uncut lintel
i do know about green dragonflight
but it looks better on a full dragon
and its not shitty
sullen dawn
<@226011491738845184> u gonna play dracthyr?
I'll make one but not my main. I've been Ret/druid/Windwalker for years
Monk rotation is just too perfect
upper pasture
Oh yeah prof talent trees
cunning fossil
much excite
sullen dawn
I want a mining talent that summons 11 other dwarves who sing "hi ho hi ho it's off to work we go"
languid yoke
yeah I was waiting for these to be posted somewhere
uncut lintel
I want a mining talent that summons 11 other dwarves who sing "hi ho hi ho it's ...
imagine that being a toy
stable peak
Does anyone know if the items on the pvp vendors are going to change when S4 starts?
Like appearance is what I am asking.
glass flicker
They probably won't. They're not adding a new raid, and we've had the same sets for multiple seasons before.
Like in Legion. Vindictive and Demonic.
rain cave
I want a mining talent that summons 11 other dwarves who sing "hi ho hi ho it's ...
Diggy diggy hole
rain cave
Like in Legion. Vindictive and Demonic.
Oh yeah that reminds me
Df unique pvp sets again
glass flicker
Cool.
rain cave
Where tf are they pulling the capacity from
uncut lintel
glass flicker
Because we had BfA and Shadowlands.
glass flicker
They want to make their prime moneymaker be good again.
uncut lintel
what is their prime money maker
dense plover
yo this is some Monster Hunter colors
looks like the same colors as gore magala armor, just accented instead of everything
uncut lintel
why do they only make the shoulders and helm glowy
blizzard
like cmon dude
make the whole set glowy or not glowy at all
deep pawn
I mean you're seeing hots influence in a lot of items
I'm still laughing at Diablo firestomp as a trinket
I want a boss that charges and suplexes a player
rain cave
yo this is some Monster Hunter colors
Love the gradient on the fire
plain violet
Pestilent pustules
glass flicker
Please don't wreck my chonky arms warrior, dude.
cunning fossil
lmao
Stil looks like a fun build
just popping sores and stuff and still being able to spend runes from range in needed
dense plover
huh
so the drakthyr intro doesnt have any of the flashback stuff?
wonder if theyre going to put it in a cutscene so everyone can see when we go back to the area
since clearly we are going back
the drakthyr didnt get to see their "legacy"
plain violet
Supposedely on the database there is a flashback by Ebyssian.
But strange it don't talk about it here, yes..
There is still some Netlharion model that were added so..
uncut vault
so the drakthyr intro doesnt have any of the flashback stuff?
I think the flashback is less flashback, and more intro
and then we'll get another later
plain violet
Do we ever see Neltharion during this intro?
dense plover
I think the flashback is less flashback, and more intro
oh like - a cutscene before the gameplay that isnt in yet?
uncut vault
oh like - a cutscene before the gameplay that isnt in yet?
Yeah it just opens right on the PC in stasis
no cutscenes yet
plain violet
Own. :(
ember blaze
https://twitter.com/LeystTv/status/1549760792840572929?s=20&t=iVrhVVtD5MTVltEJlY...
what's anvil mastery for?
oh nvm i just saw theres more pictures
dense plover
no cutscenes yet
gotcha, so yeah, it was probably removed from broadcast text b/c they either encrypted it or its being done as one of the types of cinematics that doesnt store the text there
plain violet
Possible... :(
jade basalt
When you speak to Wrathion to start Dragon Isles questing he has 3 dialog options for 3 cinematics and one is called 'Origin of the Dracthyr'
dense plover
When you speak to Wrathion to start Dragon Isles questing he has 3 dialog option...
sick - so that means everyone will see it
thats good since if the broadcast text is even half right, it sets up raszageth as the villain
uncut vault
I wonder if those might end up being this xpac's 2.5D anims
rather than the aspect ones people have been expecting
dense plover
well, i would assume fall of deathwing is just the cata deathwing raid cinematic
since thats when the aspects lose a bunch of their power
and dawn might be tied to prepatch
uncut vault
One of them also needs to explain his corruption
dense plover
since the uldaman stuff has new dragon aspect carvings
uncut vault
that one is the most likely candidate, but the cata cinematic doesnt do that
dense plover
its fair that they could also be the 2.5D cinematics, yes
tho i hope the origin one is 3d
uncut vault
I hope all the dracthyr ones are, its more just a possibility
The raszagath one will be at least
proper palm
Emberthal is a black dragonflight dragon ? (DRACHTYR *)
jade basalt
well, i would assume fall of deathwing is just the cata deathwing raid cinematic
Actually I wonder if Fall of Deathwing is going to be a War of the Ancients flashback
Although it should probably be called Fall of Neltharion if that was the case
proper palm
I can't wait promotional videos ❤️
dense plover
Although it should probably be called Fall of Neltharion if that was the case
i mean - its certainly possible those names will never show up in game
assuming they just play
jade basalt
You'd still have that dialogue to re-play them though, like when you ask Magni 'Tell me about..' so he can play cinematics for you in BFA, I think
dense plover
i guess thats fair
jade basalt
Like if one of them is part of the dracthyr intro then non-dracthyr would also need a way to see it, and I think that's it
dense plover
once we know what the cinematics are, i guess you can submit a bug report assuming it is about neltharion becoming deathwing
jade basalt
Note that there's one (or two?) other cinematic offered by Turalyon or Wrathion, tells you about 'recent events' and the council of the Aspects
It's supposed to be the reason they invited us to the Dragon Isles
dense plover
ok so theres gonna be a whole bunch of cinematics
neat
i imagine the aspects inviting us has to do with them barely being able to hold their own, let alone fight off the primalists
and thats what the council is
them maybe starting in their high elf form, then getting heated and turning into dragons
full rendered cinematic (not CGI)
though CGI would be neat
i hope we get more CGI like we did in BfA
uncut vault
Emberthal is a black dragonflight dragon ? (DRACHTYR *)
they've got black dragon skin tones, but no dracthyr is actually a member of a given flight
they all serve(d) Neltharion and him alone
jade basalt
Technically all dracthyr are black dragonflight
rain cave
a 3 parter about deathwings descent into madness and creation of the dracthyr like some kind of mad scientist could be cool
proper palm
I see, i'm just wondering about the suffixes they have in their names
rain cave
dawn of the aspects showing him in his best days, then to him turning a bit raving, creatting the dracthyr
before finally succumbing and becoming deathwing
jade basalt
Their naming convention is based on their color yeah, Azurathel is blue for instance.
But that's it. She isn't part of the blue flight, and she is not even good at magic, she says she sucks at arcane and spells.
Their abilities are based on their weyrn, which means their 'group'. Azurathel is part of the Obsidian Warders, so she's a defense gal. The Ebon Blades are the mages, the Healing Wings are the healers, etc. But you could be part of the healers and have a red skin color and red-themed name.
An 'evoker' is a Dracthyr who masters the abilities of all the weyrn, and can switch role at will.
You're basically one of the few evokers left, maybe the only one cause every other character I found was non-evoker.
Dervishian for example wanted to specialize in diplomacy.
Viridia is a healer.
Also they have cute nick names. A few dracthyr call Cindrethresh 'Cindre', and Azurathel is 'Zury'.
.. and now they're gonna join different factions and kill each other for no reason I suppose.
proper palm
Ok so they still kept the logic of the color and the name
This is important to me since I only do consistent lore accurate characters 😂
PVP never made sense in lore anyway :/
jade basalt
Feel like joining a faction should be an individual, personal choice, for a Dracthyr, kinda like for pandaren.
Doesn't make any sense that these entire groups of dracthyr decided to each join a faction and ultimately they'll have to fight each other.
uncut vault
at the very least the story atm is more just "they went with one of the dragons to try and convince them of the threat because their inclinations match that faction better
so it's at least better than pandaren where you choose to join one faction actively at war and murdering the other lol
if they're smart, theyll give some story over time of the dracthyr bonding with their faction, rather than just dropping them in and leaving them
plain violet
Ouh, shiny..
uncut lintel
OOO WHAT IS THAT
plain violet
An emerald dream object that seem tied to Ohn'ara plains. :)
uncut lintel
i want armor set of something like that
plain violet
Really beautiful!
dense plover
An emerald dream object that seem tied to Ohn'ara plains. :)
what makes you think its tied to the dream? is it the file name?
i sorta forgot the plains are tied to the emerald flight
since the story seems mostly unrelated outside of the "corruption of nature" and "nature spirit" stuff
plain violet
what makes you think its tied to the dream? is it the file name?
File name yes. :)
Yeah, wait a bit there is a zone of the plains...
dense plover
ill need to see more of the zone's story
since we havent seen it on alpha yet
think its a few weeks away tho
plain violet
dense plover
pretty sure waking shore is next
uncut lintel
WHAA
dense plover
huh
uncut lintel
THAT IS SO PRETTY
plain violet
Here, there is a proto emerald dream portal.
plain violet
YES. :)
uncut lintel
omg
dense plover
wonder if its tied to the primalists
uncut lintel
more durid love
dense plover
that would be neat
uncut lintel
maybe new portal for druids to emerald dreamway or raid entrance???
plain violet
It's really interesting. It's a dream portal, buy a proto one. The FX are actives.
plain violet
Yes! :)
uncut lintel
hacks
dense plover
man i so wish i had access - this sucks
uncut vault
since the story seems mostly unrelated outside of the "corruption of nature" and...
Honestly hoping it stays that way too, I really want a story about nature/green dragons that isn’t “oh no, nightmare! Again!” lol
uncut lintel
Honestly hoping it stays that way too, I really want a story about nature/green ...
same
dense plover
Honestly hoping it stays that way too, I really want a story about nature/green ...
oh im not against it
plain violet
One guy in this discord used hunters eagle eye. :)
So uh... you see the map Mrpeach?
dense plover
im just hoping theres an endgame story focusing on mithra or whatever taking over for the flight
plain violet
On the map, the stylized one.
dense plover
yes?
plain violet
There is a little island with a dream portal drawed.
uncut lintel
: o
plain violet
So the game show it's a point of interested.
But, when we looked at it, it show this portal instead.
plain violet
But the game map show the sames dream portals that Azeroth have.
Yeah! :)
It's here.
plain violet
Sure sure! But at least yeah, the portal is here.
dense plover
very possible that icon gets replaced with a fancy icon
especially since AFAIK, that zone doesnt have a ton of PoI
plain violet
Sure. 😁
The zone is fancy. There is multiple "dream" mobs in name.
dense plover
its striking in its plains-ness which means it doesnt have a lot going on to stick on the zone map
its missing all the fancy bits
plain violet
Agree. :)
dense plover
^this is the only zone that actually looks like a finished map
all the others look WIP in one way or another
plain violet
I think the subzone will be used for the emerald dream map quest...
uncut lintel
secrete dreamway mount puzzle
dense plover
has anyone gone through the new dungeons and just taken pictures of everything yet?
plain violet
Like a "we can get ported here". Or maybe to explain the creation.
Maybe the droods will have the possibility to use the Legion portal.
dense plover
i want to see the dragon frescoes
plain violet
Yes. 😁
dense plover
OMG
uncut lintel
what
dense plover
i think i know why the infinite flight is interested in the war of the twisting sands
theyre going to turn Grakkaron into an infinite dragon
i bet the murozond raid will have a dragon from each of these areas
plain violet
Could be interesting and coherent...
dense plover
or at least something from each of the areas
uncut vault
i want to see the dragon frescoes
dense plover
holy shit - its totally redone
uncut lintel
EDHIAHFWSA
proper palm
Titan stuff, no sylvanas, dragons.. Smell like a good expension ❤️
uncut vault
plain violet
Gotta sleep now. Have a good datamining day. :)
uncut vault
Better shot of the galakrond one
uncut lintel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/392758838891380736/999446918511996928/u...
-screma-s
proper palm
I still hope there will be references or interactions for paladins with Tyr..
Oh i forget, sorry, Blizzard doesnt care about paladins anymore 😂 😭
uncut lintel
proper palm
OMG that fishing hat !!
dense plover
ok - great adventure theory - each of the zones chosen has a dragon right?
uncut vault
Does pandaren revolution? Dunno if cloud serpents count or not haha
dense plover
nyalotha - corrupted wrathion and that void dragon lady, vale of eternal blossoms - jade serpent, war of the shifting sands - grakkarond, onyxias layer - a whole bunch, and im not sure about the gnoll wars
i think the jade serpent could count
i dont know about the gnoll wars
but im thinking its one of the dragons disguised as a human
could be one of the prestors
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dont know exactly what the murloc wyrmrest one is either
could be related to galakrond
idk
but i think theres something to me theory
especially with shifting sands and grakkarond
all i can think for the gnoll wars is someone had to unify the gnolls and maybe it was a dragon?