beta-ptr-spoilers

[uncut lintel]

pwease

[rich elm]

but yea it would be cool of centaurs are just their own mounts

[uncut lintel]

wtb help. my dracthyr son wants to be a horsegirl

[rich elm]

problem is its not as marketable and peoplke will still want to ride a mount with it

[uncut lintel]

people go crazy ovr mounts

[glad niche]

they could MAYBE have some crazy shinanigan that makes their run speed on par with flying speeds x'D

[rich elm]

... like with people still saying they want dracthyr to have mounts

[uncut lintel]

people are gonna even be more crazy and mad bcuz flying is limited in DF on the nwe island 💀

[uncut lintel]

what the hell do they mean, they have their mounts, its called, the ones you already collected

they legit a racial flying

[glad niche]

The new island is limited to the riding system from my understanding

[uncut lintel]

what more do u want

[uncut lintel]

yea

[glad niche]

which will unlock shortly into starting the content

[uncut lintel]

because walking is so underrated

[rich elm]

oh you must have missed a guy here not too long ago, he complained that he wanted dracthyr to have their own racial mount

[glad niche]

but

but i am my mount?

[rich elm]

and a few agreed with him 💀

[uncut lintel]

tell him to make a dracthyr and look at racials and look at swoop they dont need a mount, u cant even use it in dragonform anyway

[rich elm]

yea like, me and another was like "...but they have wings and can fly??"

[uncut lintel]

maybe if he ordered dragonflight he would have his racial mount

[glad niche]

I mean for continuity and if it was a normy norm mount, sure

[rich elm]

so yea, a centaur race that is its own mount? people will still get mad

[uncut lintel]

people get mad over everything

even if they ask for it

[glad niche]

just slap together aNoThEr drake skin and toss it in evoker pocket

[uncut lintel]

brb

[rich elm]

i just want Blizzard to give druids more customization with their forms

[glad niche]

From my understanding, the drakthyr 20% passive works on normal mounts, cause riding will only work on the isles. I feel like thats candy enough tbh

[rich elm]

like now that we saw what we can do with dracthyr? give that to the rest please

[glad niche]

MORE?!? We have so many! xD Granted a lot are race locked

[rich elm]

yea druid cant be on a few races its annoying

[glad niche]

I want them wicker forms but i cant be assed to play alliance long enough to unlock kul tiran, then keep playing alliance, as kul tiran

(hello yes i am horde)

[rich elm]

Allience is so... sadly dead

(i too am Horde)

[glad niche]

I visited stormwind, once

I wish to not go back, ever

[rich elm]

the only redeeming quality of the allience is the dreneai

[glad niche]

the chat was vile, and i dont mean "tHeY hUrT my FEEELIES"

[rich elm]

i only make drenaei

[glad niche]

like, Mud is cleaner and more saintly then the stuff i saw in that chat

[rich elm]

but on horde? dude i got like nearly all the races on that side lol

[glad niche]

I have every ally unlocked horde side

[rich elm]

i dont, but im working on nightborne and vulpura

[glad niche]

I love a lot of the zone asthetics and music on the kul tiran continent

[rich elm]

i only unlocked lightforged and left the rest

[glad niche]

Im just waiting for the Drakthyr dressing room to work on wowhead q.q

[rich elm]

SAME

i really want to have my look ready so i can grab my names asap

[glad niche]

I wanna see what awful color combos im inevitably gonna go with, cause im bad at color matching

You can make an alt with a name now

the name is locked to your account for 30 days or something when that alt is deleted

[rich elm]

i have one name picked out for my main on horde side

its just a throw away

[glad niche]

So i have a name saved already

[rich elm]

ah man... it would be so cool to make a dracthyr with a drenaei visage

[glad niche]

spent too long in a dragon name generator and tweaking different parts on names till i got one i liked

The one i picked is derived from bronze names, but i dont think my guys gonna have any bronze on him x'D

[rich elm]

i literally just took the "thyr" end part and added two letters to it
BUT in my defense! that name was made before dracthyr was even announced, so its just pure coincidence

i was gonna try to use suffix, but since dracthyr are not true dragons.. idk if they even consider the suffixes as something they used

at this time, im going with whatever name i like

[glad niche]

Mines a mix of norse/celtic names/terms, then the bronze flight suffix

[rich elm]

ohh

i just added "Ai" to "thyr"

Aithyr

cute short name

easy to remember

[glad niche]

I got a pretty guttural name out of it in the end. which bronze names are the more guttural ones. so im happy with it

[rich elm]

ayee

[glad niche]

Tyrnogdormu , is the one I made.

Tyr for short

[rich elm]

ohh nice

[glad niche]

nog being from tir na nOg

Tyr, norse god

I didnt pick it cause of the titans in game or anything either, which are names after a lot of irl mythos

I just wanted somethin at the start for a nickname

and i liked it better then my next option

[rich elm]

hey its not a bad name

[glad niche]

which was .uhhhh

Jacrogdormu

[rich elm]

thats a bit weird to sound out lol

[glad niche]

yeah, i wanted the zh sound but didnt have the letter capacity

so, jacque

[rich elm]

ahh

[glad niche]

how tall are the drakthyr beside other races?

[rich elm]

that im.. not sure of?

[glad niche]

I wanna see one beside a zandalari

my current main druud (ive got like 6, send help)

[rich elm]

gfdxh im in the same boat

[glad niche]

hahaha

[uncut lintel]

i wanna take the armor off the ghost of pridemothe rform

[rich elm]

oh that would be cool

[uncut lintel]

yes

: D

[rich elm]

i want fluffier mane options

[uncut lintel]

opposite for me

[rich elm]

longer tails or short nubs

[uncut lintel]

short nubs

yess

[glad niche]

for?

[uncut lintel]

have we gotten a cat form at all with short tail?

[glad niche]

oh

[rich elm]

make my bear form bigger

[glad niche]

i want longer cat tails

[uncut lintel]

like a real saber cat had a short tail

[glad niche]

hell give bear tails

[rich elm]

so far that i have seen no?

[uncut lintel]

blizz

BLIZZ

[rich elm]

omg... make my bear form look like a red panda

!!!

[glad niche]

exactly

[uncut lintel]

so many possibilities

[glad niche]

soon as pandaren learn to druud, thats what their feral will be

[rich elm]

i could see myself running around as this giant red panda tanking everything

[uncut lintel]

[rich elm]

imagine fearing a fluffy sir like that

[glad niche]

im still waiting for my last dang dreamwalk screech

[uncut lintel]

[glad niche]

damn duskwood wont proc

[uncut lintel]

is it one everyday or just randomly

[glad niche]

random

[uncut lintel]

f

[glad niche]

some people waited MONTHS

[uncut lintel]

[glad niche]

I had it on my old account moosecow

but when DF was announced and the game was on sale, just made a new account

no idea what old ass unused email the old account is attached to

[uncut lintel]

oof

[glad niche]

was maybe $20 on sale, including Saddolands

[uncut lintel]

ye

[pliant plank]

I think that giving drakthyr the option to opt out of using any mount in favour of 0 cooldown Soar via the use of a Glyph could be a nice little addition

[glad niche]

my lort these grapes are sour

oooh! That would be cool!

well

i dont think that will happen seeing as one passive they have is the mount speed

[uncut lintel]

i feel like at the end of the xpac, we will get unlimited flying for dragonriding and dracthyr will get CD removed

[glad niche]

like im failing to reason through that speed buff being given then "meh let them toss it for better soar"

not full unlimited but close

I wouldnt mind drakthyr getting a glyph or something that allows them basic flight, what we have now

id welcome it tbh

sure, slower then soar, but id have that 20% boost on explored continents to counter

tbh i just want some other classes/races to see the love of druid flight form

the feeling of freedom to fly when i want and on my own (without a mount) is great tbh

i still have and use mounts too, so the entire "then you wont use the plethora of mount options" argument is null

I collect them even

[pliant plank]

with 960% flying speed using soar I'd happily dump the 20% increase

the 20% applies to mounts so if you're not able to use mounts to begin with (which is the tradeoff of using the glyph I thought of) the bonus is unusued

[glad niche]

i moreso mean, if drakthyr got a glyph to allow non CDflight, it would likely be a give and take system

[uncut lintel]

i mean flying alone on dracthyr looks fun as fuck

like holy shit

ive never been so hyped for rfucking flying

[glad niche]

if not using soar, and the drakthyr had a flight option like the druid flight (which gets max sloght speed) it would count as mount speed and have that 20% buff

[uncut lintel]

drac druids

[glad niche]

im saying Id willingly take and use a flight like the current system, as drakthyr, even tho its def slower then soar, if it ment i got to pop in and out of it without a CD

not to replace soar mind it, just as a optional "Well its slower yes but also I dont have to worry about the riding mechanics" sorta trade off

Im stoked for the dragon riding system, i do still like the autopath and look at scenery flight style tho

and id enjoy doing said flight, on drakthyr

[pliant plank]

I want to be a warrior-derg

spellweaving stuff is too much brainwork for me

[glad niche]

Was talking about them big nugget dragons earlier

i feel like they would be a cool allied race tank in the future

[pliant plank]

the big nugget dragons

[glad niche]

not as evokers mind you (just my tastes talking)

but as an actual meat wall tank

[pliant plank]

yes

you're not alone

[glad niche]

I do appreciate that they made that 4th body option due to player feedback. (idk if ill use it or not yet, wont until i can play in the dressing room)

I just wish the peeps demanding even bigger realized the restrictions that would put on the draconic form gear options

they got beefed up to an extent that didn't require the team that did the armors to go back and edit them more. Which would put them behind other work

[pliant plank]

it should go up to 10 but I feel as though it's unfair for other races and should be given to them as well

although it seems it's too much work

[glad niche]

Iirc they have said in multiple occasions that the drakthyr used new systems they had to learn while using, and they very much are keen to go back to earlier races and give them the same treatment

but FOR DF, they are focusing entirely on the stuff coming with it

make the drakthyr good in one go so they dont have to tweak them for a long while. then move that focus to each other race

like, its not impossible for kul tirans to see that skinny model a lot have voiced want for, to actually be an option in the future

its just a new skin on the undead model

only thing they will have to do is animations for non undead classes, like druid

and in doing that for skinny kul tirans, they pave the way for undead druids in the future

which they said in one interview they want every class to eventually be an option on every race

these are things that wont be seen for a long while, the first ones likely being late into DF, so maybe 1 - 1.5 years after launch. But they are stretch goals that have been voiced

[uncut lintel]

60 years later

we all will be old

but finally have

our undeaddruids

[glad niche]

To add further (im aware im word walling, sorry)
Blizz recently acquired an entire dev team that did a battle royale mage game (cant remember what its called)
Said team has been added to the WoW section of blizz.
They also have a pretty healthy upswing of new hires thats decently higher then their current turnover rates.

Short version, The WoW specific teams are getting a lot of new/fresh blood. More manpower to do these sort of back end non story content updates

[opaque pewter]

It's not as simple as you are thinking

To say the least, the skill needed to perform a task in development doesn't transfer as well as, say physical labour. There are a lot of specialization

[glad niche]

Ofc, they have to take time to be trained and such

[opaque pewter]

It's not even about training

It's about responsibilities. To give an example, you don't hire a game designer to program a system. More bafflingly, you don't expect the texture artist to be able to model down the road

[glad niche]

I didnt say any of that lmao

[opaque pewter]

What I got from you is that you can train the new hires to fill those positions that can help speed up development of what was wanted. I just interjected in to say it's not the case lol

[glad niche]

I dont know what sections any one person is hired on for or anything like that. Nor did I imply such. I simply said they absorbed a indie company (who published a game previously, so they have knowhow in myriad gaming fields) that was moved into the WoW stuff, and that they have a healthy hire on level atm besides that new aquirement.

Where those new hires go and what they do, isn't my knowledge. just that the whole of the machine has new cogs and belts flowing in.

The point I was making is that they are refilling positions hurt by the recent negative happenings, as well as gaining more experienced employees

[opaque pewter]

Fair enough. I guess I jumped the gun a bit because I'm too used to people not knowing how things work at all, and felt like stepping in a bit when something somewhat looked off this time heh

[glad niche]

So they are on an upswing internally.

I also gave the precaution that this doesn't mean we will see these updates anytime soon. And gave a time table reflecting as much. Someone thats a new hire that has previous knowledge will still need time to learn the things specific to Blizz, like those systems current teams already had to learn for drakthyr.

I could know modeling and what all but still need to learn the new toys used on Draks, so as to apply it to the other races.

[ancient adder]

The poor guy who posted this not realizing that's a drakonid

💀

[glad niche]

I think that was the joke, cause people still demanging beefier drakthyr models

Cant be certain tho, im not thair brain

their*

[opaque pewter]

WoW specifically is quite a beast to work with. I'd assume the graphical aspects and its current limitation to be easier to compromise with than any of the underlying system lol

[ancient adder]

.. I will have to agree on that. Dragonflight models have been imported to [redacted, censored, murdered by CIA agent] and they're slowly but surely breaking 1 by 1.

[opaque pewter]

I'll have to take a look at spellbreak and evaluate their tech, but the things revealed under the hood back then at BlizzCon made it seems like a lot would be more on the old/manual ways

[glad niche]

I know nothing of their tech or if they are bringing it over. Moreso the point was that they have experience in the fields. How well it translates for them as they start working on WoW, I do not know.

Im left to assume whoever Ok'd the absorption/ merge was confident things would work out. In what timeframe, I cannot say.

[opaque pewter]

Pretty much my concern when I read the news

[glad niche]

end point, we have reason to be hopeful for the future. BUT. This is Blizz were talking about still. The record demands a grain of salt in the mix.

Positives to be treated with precaution.

[uncut lintel]

this movie is great

keep oging

[opaque pewter]

I mean I would feel the same for any devs really lol. So much of the stack is proprietary in big companies

[glad niche]

Ill pinch you

[uncut lintel]

[glad niche]

I mean, in honesty, When Yoshi P says something is happening and when, in 14, its an absolute. He has never failed the community.

he will refrain from giving release dates or even windows, ever. If its an unknown

[opaque pewter]

JP development have their own kind of dirt

But that's a higher industry/culture wide discussion lol

[glad niche]

right, im saying tho that SOME devs, are actually trustworthy to their word

US side, mmmmmmeh

[opaque pewter]

It takes one mishap really. I'd say people fall too easily to JP-style empty apologies. But I guess the difference is that even if it's not genuine, they appealed lol

[glad niche]

Well, the 14 team has only ever once fallen behind schedule, and they were open and honest as to why, With the current expansion, Yoshi had the release pulled back 2 weeks cause he felts better Quality testing was needed.

now its , to most, the best story expac the games ever had

[opaque pewter]

I would say there is one thing that devs could take from that, it's to have one person that presents and control a PR narrative

And have the rest hide behind the company/spokesperson

The too personal/individual approach of the west created this kind of really bad cases of interactions

[glad niche]

mhmm. I dont recall what it was, but something in a recent patch was changed. People online tried to start some sort of witch hunt wanting and demanding the names of the devs that made the changes. Yoshi shot it down fast. Pretty much saying "If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at me, as I am the one who told them what to change."

I think it was samurai skills or something

[opaque pewter]

They are trying to diffuse it really fast because they know they can't handle the backlash

And hope it's forgottwnt later with an emphasis on the apology

It's typical JP PR. But it's not just gaming. Pretty much how all companies operate there lol

[glad niche]

it was ended with that, actually. the players that were mad about it got pretty much silenced by other players who had actually played the class change in depth

he didnt make an apology for the class changes either. He just told those making the angry remarks to be mad at him cause, end of the day, hes the one that finalized the change.

[opaque pewter]

Right. In any case, we diverged way to much from the topic at hand lol.

[glad niche]

yee

[opaque pewter]

Someone mentioned up there that some of the models were being analyzed. Have we found traces of assymetric-capable UVs on the body meshes so far?

[glad niche]

what were the weapon types evokers will use? Im having trouble finding it

nvm, found it

[rain cave]

Never got in to ff14 it just felt too hollow

Soulless

And slow

Like WoW has this whole universe built up and a consistent world

Whereas final fantasy is just an asspull every time

With no regard for continuity

That's my perception

Also I couldn't take the story in ff14 seriously even viewed as a single game since I just don't see it

My brain can't comprehend how people call ff14 the best story in mmo

What do you even do? Everything looks the same to me I have no concept of what the story could even be to Engage me

[glass flicker]

Stop skipping quest text, I guess.

[rain cave]

I got to level 4

Kek

[glass flicker]

And you want to know the entire lore in four levels?

[rain cave]

Had no idea what was going on

That's not what I was claiming

I just felt no drive to keep playing

[glass flicker]

Then don't.

[rain cave]

I have no desire to slog through wikis to learn all the mechanics and guides

[glass flicker]

Good. WoW and Blizzard could use your money.

[rain cave]

If ff14 wants my attention it needs to be friendly to new players

On-board them better

I was confused in those first levels

[glass flicker]

And how do you propose they do that, a tutorial to level 69?

[rain cave]

Barely an idea of what to do

[glass flicker]

WoW was even less friendly.

[subtle oar]

How so? It really holds you hand

[glass flicker]

Play Classic then complain about FFXIV, I dare you.

[rain cave]

Yeah and it's confusing

[subtle oar]

???

[trail knot]

i think he talk about retail not classic

[subtle oar]

Hes talking about ffxiv. Not even WoW

[subtle oar]

It quite literally holds your hand and walks you thru the content. I do not get how you can be confused

[trail knot]

yes but compare to retail not classic

[glass flicker]

I felt more confused during account creation than the gameplay itself.

FFXIV is quite friendly.

[subtle oar]

This is the only confusing part about FF. It is incredibly difficult to actually give Squenix your money and start your acc lol

[uncut vault]

genuinely cant tell if that was a bit lmao

[glass flicker]

You can't tell what, Porter?

[uncut vault]

the talk about ffxiv being less consistent and hard to get into compared to WoW

[upper pasture]

or resubbing honestly lol

for some reason they want to make that shit really hard

[subtle oar]

Once you have your acc and the game bought, its ez. You just go to mogstation

I will say tho, they really need a complete overhaul of their websitre

They are absolutely abhorrently designed

[rain cave]

I made a mage

Was dropped off in a desert city

And told about mail and vendors

Then I had no clue where to go next

So I just went and farmed some mobs to try combat

And didn't understand it

So I just uninstall

[subtle oar]

The game literally tells you where to go tho

[rain cave]

Didn't feel it

I thought I was doing Side quests

I didn't know what was important

[dense plover]

Snahkstasza

lol

[plain violet]

I like her face.

FFXIV is a strange game. Some parts are really likeable, but the story of Endwalker was a bit ridiculous for me, notably for the rollback of characters progression like Alphinaud.

[proper palm]

I need snackstrasza :d

[tropic trail]

Backstractasza

[rain cave]

The snack is the duck

[plain violet]

The duck need to be cherished..

[ember blaze]

🙂

[plain violet]

😁

He knows.

[ember blaze]

which to use 🤔

[sullen dawn]

Sneakysnekstrasza

[subtle oar]

... oh great. Spoilers

[crimson jasper]

looks cool and all but

look at him!!

[rain cave]

Are the ducks distant cousins of dragons

[crimson jasper]

they are their true masters

[plain violet]

So. You blocked me, but tried to see the message, to complaint about me spoiling by seeing I saw a character progression as a rollback, without even talking about what it was?

[uncut lintel]

💀

[uncut lintel]

OMG ITS DONALD

[plain violet]

Relax, if you play the game, enjoy it, I personally did it see that way, but that's the equivalent of "I didn't liked the progression of Luke".

[uncut lintel]

whos luke

[plain violet]

Luke Skywalker.

[uncut lintel]

man these fuckin star wars shit idk

[plain violet]

Another example, albeit different, of a character progression that was not great to my eyes.

[uncut lintel]

idk idc abtstar wars

its stupid looking

[plain violet]

Star Wars are great movies, very poetic. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

[uncut lintel]

wanna kno what else is great

[plain violet]

But it's more about the simple concept of joy vs happiness. Good vs Evil..

[uncut lintel]

dracthyr

i cant wait

omg

[plain violet]

Sure they are !

[uncut lintel]

im imgonna die

im G ONA DIE WAITING THIS LONG

WHENS PRE PATCH

[plain violet]

Patience, little one, patience..

[crimson jasper]

you know what

[uncut lintel]

what

[crimson jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/scrooge-mcduck-money-gif-13447299

[uncut lintel]

SEE

[crimson jasper]

might actually be true lol

[uncut lintel]

IT IS

I KNEW IT

so cuute

[plain violet]

It is cute.

They are cute.

I can't wait too, but alas, need to.

[uncut lintel]

maybe i can sleep for 6 months

straight

no eating, no peeing, no waking up

ill wakeu p on df releas

[proper palm]

Dragon duck

[uncut lintel]

DONALD KING OF THE VAULT

[proper palm]

xDD

[uncut lintel]

💀

[proper palm]

Duck playable race ..

?? *

[uncut lintel]

[proper palm]

😼

[uncut lintel]

imagine waddling around in pvp as a duck

💀

[crimson jasper]

btw I think his name is Scrooge xd

Donald is the Sailor cap guy I think?

[uncut lintel]

SCROOGE KING OF THE VAULT

[crimson jasper]

xd

[proper palm]

Question : Do you have seeing librams from datamine ?
I can't find it anymore

[uncut lintel]

what

[plain violet]

We have librams, yes, but we don"t know if NPC only.

[uncut lintel]

tf is a librma

LIBRAM JAMES

[proper palm]

Need new weapon/libram combos :c

[uncut lintel]

what is a libram

idk

[proper palm]

Paladin book xD

[uncut lintel]

💀

[upper pasture]

Didn’t they say class items like librams and relics are making a come back or did I dream that up?

[uncut lintel]

i havent seen a latest news on it

[upper pasture]

On second thought I probably dreamt it up

[proper palm]

They say that since WOD 😂

To be honest

[uncut lintel]

@upper pasture i mean i literally had so many dreams of me looting invincible before it finally dropped so maybe ur dream is a future patch

[proper palm]

Legion was amazing for introducing weapon-accessory combo tech, like mmsh hunter bow and pal heal hammer

[plain violet]

We clearly need more weapon accessory.

[uncut lintel]

plz

[plain violet]

Books that are visible on belt, bags..

Quivers...

Runes..

[opaque pewter]

We'll have to look into how it can be practical to do so, and I think that's the current blocker

[proper palm]

They could do it again, not for all weapon, but for prestigious weapon, like raid wp / pvp

[uncut lintel]

m+ too

[opaque pewter]

Probably just prestigious ones

[uncut lintel]

curse prestige

ill just use my store mogs then

[proper palm]

Why not after all ? We have no more than 3 bow skin per extensions for M+ XD

[uncut lintel]

like that 90 dollar helmet that doesnt match with a single thing

[plain violet]

Yeah, generally it's the practicability and technology that pose problem...

[opaque pewter]

That's in part because M+ loot does not get expanded, unless there is a mega-dungeon later. So far that was how it's been handled

[proper palm]

Less weapon (that no one uses .. XD) but more elaborate wp ❤️

They have the technology no ? (Markmanship hunter bow during legion)

[opaque pewter]

Which aspect are you looking into?

Oh the quiver I suppose

[proper palm]

Bind a cosmetic on a weapon, like pal hammer 😄

And the quiver, yes

I have to admit, doigt this for 13 classes is a big and hard challenge :c

[opaque pewter]

The current issue we have in general is the multiplicity of work to be done when introducing something
It has to work on a male orc as well as a female gnome and anything in between. It's a lot easier to consider all of this when it's only one aspect

[proper palm]

doing *

[plain violet]

Yes, but not that easy. ^^'

[opaque pewter]

That's partly why we don't have weapon interations while casting

[plain violet]

I would live quivers on tights.

Yup..

Because it could mess horribly with the body.

We already have some problems with animations and horns...

For example the casting in HM Tauren glitch with the antlers.

[proper palm]

And helm 😂

[opaque pewter]

With new-style race-classes like the drakthyrs, I can see uniqueness like this visible, especially when there wont' be any plans to expand their classes

[plain violet]

And helm ! And shoulders. :')

[opaque pewter]

Since you only need to worry about the dragon model lol

[uncut lintel]

i wanna plaay

[proper palm]

Blood elf shoulds fly off or to big XD

[plain violet]

Possibly yes, for the combo dragon model/dragon animations.

[opaque pewter]

Pretty much yeah, if they wanted, they would have the caster use the weapon too.
I didn't look at datamined stuff or media, but if they don't have any caster weapon animation despite the minimal scope, then it's probably because they judged it would be too unfair or different from other caster's situation

[uncut lintel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/raid-weapon-models-from-vault-of-the-incarnates-in-dragonflight-327749?webhook holy shit

[opaque pewter]

That's not really relevant though lol

[uncut lintel]

no i meant

look how cool they look

THE FUKING GLAIVES HOLY

[proper palm]

Drachtyr can carry 1H sword and polearm ??

[uncut lintel]

idk

[opaque pewter]

Could look it up

[proper palm]

No one beta have a look on mog guy to check weapon ? ;_;

beta guy

[uncut lintel]

OMFG

THE STAFFS

[proper palm]

Wich one :p

[opaque pewter]

Anyway, my hunch is that the in-game animation team focus was also the dragonriding mount

[proper palm]

I hope the dragonriding systeme will be a success to see it extended to the griffins etc

Imagine u dragonriding on the arcan book 😂

[opaque pewter]

lol yeah

[plain violet]

The weapons are amazing.

[opaque pewter]

I just wish it would be how we'd have to fly from now on. The current swimming in the air one has some issues

[plain violet]

One day, maybe... But yeah the current is pretty.. static.

[opaque pewter]

It's too safe, etc, too lol

[uncut lintel]

AAAHHHHH

AHHHHHHHH

IM CSRNIEAN

I WANT THE WHITE ONE

[proper palm]

Question : Drachtyr don't have tooth out like all the dragons on Azeroth ? (Fan custom art)

[uncut lintel]

[plain violet]

New dragons seem to not have tooths out too.

[uncut lintel]

ro send that ot blizz i wnat hose

[proper palm]

I want to :c

New aspects modele have tooth out :c

[opaque pewter]

Probably looked less neutral with those

My first impression was that they all looked like male faces

[ember blaze]

@uncut linteli love the bow aesthetic. If only i found hunter fun.

[uncut lintel]

SCREW THE BOWS

HTE STAFF WINGS

WNIS

[ember blaze]

only wings I need are the mage tower priest ones 🛌

[uncut lintel]

have fun goign back in time for mt

[subtle oar]

Really? I think its yet another let down of a design

[proper palm]

Finaly i think the probleme of drachtyr face is definitly the teeth out, they look like salamander with no teeth 😂

[ember blaze]

unpopular opinion 😂

[uncut lintel]

u think thats a let down

look at offhands and shields

[subtle oar]

I disagree. I dont see much love for the new bow/crossbows/guns

[uncut lintel]

but it literally ujst released

[glad niche]

that a mount look?

[proper palm]

Yep dragonriding custom mount

[glad niche]

nice

i like em lil berd

beard*

[ember blaze]

is this like crit dmg, or is it boosting crit chance by 50%

[harsh wedge]

Just like crit damage

[ionic terrace]

mmm

[proper palm]

Not a mention to human evoker visage ^^

human male *

[ember blaze]

huh

[proper palm]

I hope Blizz read my feedback for teeth out ..;_;

[dense plover]

theyre not changing the models

and theyre not giving other races evoker right now

what actually disappoints me is there is no discussion of low empowerment

theres no reason not to max empower

thats bad

because it essentially means those abilities just have a cast time

[cunning fossil]

I'd love to show this to people and watch them ree

Because for some odd reason, no one can accept that some.classes are.just better at other situaations

[dense plover]

complainers will always complain

[cunning fossil]

As a marks hunter, you are quietly literally saying "I'm gonna snipe this guy out of existent"

Not "I'm gonna snipe TWO"

Also yeah I know they will, but the problem is that they give blizzard feedback that is wasteful

They already have Chimaera shot to shore up some of the damage

Speaking as an MM main, I feel like trickshots on 2 targets would be tedious as hell, because then you'd have to basically play an AoE rotation every fight that isn't a boss

[ember blaze]

@dense ploverthe blue build is the only thing that comes to mind

1s cast time for one target

[dense plover]

generally speaking, theres no reason to not empower if there are multiple targets

its bad design

there should be some benefit - like shorter cooldowns or something

right now its the same cooldown no matter what, so why wouldnt you fully empower?

[ember blaze]

isnt this the only ability that actually gives you a choice

i know others even boost your damage even if you only need 1 target

[dense plover]

all empowers do stuff

im just saying that there should be a reason for the ones that arent more enemies for you to not want to fully empower

otherwise, why even have the mechanic?

[proper palm]

Not a question to changing the modele but add an customisation option to show drachtyr teeth like AAAAAALL dragon of azeroth XD
We don't need other race for evoker, just a shap option to select human or B.elf shape ^^ Not hard thing

[jade basalt]

There is, at least for Eternity's Surge for example. Empowering it just means it hits more targets, which you don't need when you have only 1 target, so you just don't Empower it.

However I find it a bit clumsy, I feel like the base level non-empowered spell should be instant. My brain goes 'if you want to hit multiple targets you gotta press continuously, therefore if you don't want that, and just need 1 target, you should just do a single press, not a continuous press', except this cancels the spell casting.
You still have to continuously press until the bar reaches the first echelon before you can let it go for it to cast, even though it's the baseline non-empowered level. It's just not super intuitive.

Should be: baseline, don't hold.
Empowered, hold.

[dense plover]

theres a couple problems

the empower hold/dont hold

[tropic trail]

where the hells the warlock talent tree's damage

damnit*

[dense plover]

and the fact that for the more damage ones, theres no reason not to hold to max

[tropic trail]

its all i want!

[dense plover]

and there needs to be a reason not to hold to max in some situations other than "i need to move now"

i think if fully empowered abilities had a long cooldown, that would be an incentive

[proper palm]

https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/status/1549158756184907776/photo/1 Beautiful o_o

Stiven (@Stiven_SRB)

Just random Drachtyr Civilian in their unique armor set :)

Twitter · Jul 18, 2022, 10:26 PM

[jade basalt]

Aren't these dragon civilians, rather?

[jade basalt]

I would've liked to see some varied effects rather than just 'deals more damage' the longer you Empower

[dense plover]

i think having one of them is okay

but yes, i agree

they should make changes

[uncut vault]

dragons seem to be using the player models, with dracthyr form eye textures (theres a lot)

[jade basalt]

Like potentially damage over time (nice when you need to move and can't cast/channel a lot) vs. instant damage (nice if you need to burst for example and/or have time to channel) for instance

[uncut vault]

whereas these are the visage form models

[jade basalt]

Doesn't that NPC seem to be using non-dracthyr customization though?

[uncut vault]

No, all that customization is available to them, only the outfit isnt

[jade basalt]

Got it - cause that outfit seems intended for dragon civilians

Comes in all colors for each dragonflight

[uncut vault]

ooh nice, I hope its obtainable and not just for NPCs this time round like kul tiras

looks like it's not quite finished either, seems like it's gonna use the new unique armor mesh all the races got

[jade basalt]

I've seen some obtainable gear in the adventure guide that also uses that new boot geoset and yeah it looks off, may be a work in progress

Here, it's the Mail dungeon set I found- seems to be Centaur-themed, and it uses the new Boots geoset https://gfycat.com/WarpedTestyKinkajou

[uncut vault]

that's a really nice cohesive set though regardless

Im glad theyre doing more geosets like that to make the game look a bit less spandex over time lol

[jade basalt]

It's something they really ought to do, the Collections system is great but it's not sustainable.
Collections should be used for things like details, flavor, like adding plates on a Chest piece or details on Gloves, rather than rebuilding a 3D skirt or trench coat (eg Kul Titan heritage chest, Nathria hunter chest) 15 times. Rather than reinventing the wheel for every set, they should add new geosets for those, so the work is done only once. And then can use Collections on top of that. (An 'open robe' geoset would be great for caster classes who always get that same Vanilla robe every set uses)

[tropic trail]

" Spellweaver's Talons - Draconic energy infuses your allies' attacks, increasing the range of their spells and abilities to 40 yds for 12 sec. 3 min cooldown " what the actual heck

WHAT.

THE HECK.

that's so powerful

nerf to boomkins tho

lolol

[ember blaze]

they could probably re-introduce that to healer as a personal cd

[tropic trail]

thats an evoker ability

so for both specs

[ember blaze]

that's an outdated ability that they removed.

[tropic trail]

no its datamined

theres some related spells

of the same name

"We've datamined this spell that says "Required Evoker" but isn't currently part of the Evoker class kit on the Dragonflight Alpha."

so it might be in the game

[jade basalt]

Read further

They then also say:

Outdated or Upcoming?
Unfortunately, we think this spell is just a remnant of development and is a fun highlight of the class development process. The Evoker class seems complete on the Dragonflight Alpha and it already has two raid utility buffs: Blessing of the Bronze and Time Spiral, in addition to a party damage reduction cooldown.
Enjoy this fun trivia, but don't expect your melee to be doing their rotation from 40 yards away anytime soon.

[tropic trail]

could be in the game

you never really know

[cunning fossil]

I believe the point is to have a choice and flexibility. If you feel like Every empower mechanic is more damage, then every Empower mechanic is essentially a 2-3 second cast

Rather than a flexible spell that it's supposed to be

[dense plover]

but thats what im saying is the problem

flexibility means nothing if there is no reason to have it

they need to go through the ones that just increase damage and change how they work

either make them do other stuff or give them a longer cooldown when empowered - something that gives you some kind of reason or requires you to think on whether you should empower or not

[glad niche]

Visage
In the next build, Dracthyr will no longer switch to Visage when getting on a mount, flight path, etc. Additionally, they will have a new racial ability called Chosen Identity that you can “Activate to automatically assume your Visage when you leave combat or after Soaring.” Chosen Identity will stay toggled on until manually deactivated. As a note, existing Alpha characters may not have Chosen Identity learned.

idk if that was talked about yet or not

[cunning fossil]

Wait wot where is that from?

[uncut vault]

the evoker feedback thread

[cunning fossil]

You already have that though with other abilities. For example with fire breath, the choice is, do I cast it for the full effect all the time? Or would just a single level of it going off and then using my single target focused abilities be more impactful?

Like o feel you don't have to make the abilities more complex than they already are

[dense plover]

but thats not a choice

[jade basalt]

It'd be great if you could cast most spells in Visage form, and only transform if really required like for Deep Breath.

[dense plover]

if you have a situation where it makes sense, you empower

my point is, in the situation where empower 3 does the most damage, why would you not?

and there should be an answer

other than "it takes too long"

[cunning fossil]

Exactly, the choice is when you think it is appropriate

[dense plover]

thats not a choice tho

thats just combining buttons

[cunning fossil]

But it is

[uncut vault]

most of the empower abilities cost essence, don't they?

[cunning fossil]

I believe they do yeah

[dense plover]

you could do the same thing by having 2 abilities on the same cooldown with scaled costs and it would be functionally the same

[uncut vault]

could add something where the final one is the only one that costs essence

so the lower ones have less effect, but also can be used more consistently

[dense plover]

that actually is a decent solution

[jade basalt]

To be honest as Devastation you only have 2 Empower abilities, Eternity's Surge and Fire Breath.

And I basically only use Fire Breath with the talent that makes Empower abilities an instant max-empower cast. Otherwise it doesn't seem worth it.

[dense plover]

especially if they slow down essence gen since it currently is too fast from what ive seen

its a flawed idea

[ember blaze]

no

[dense plover]

it needs to be changed

[ember blaze]

anything you charge is locked behind a cooldown

[cunning fossil]

Could be a lot of restrictions if too much of the class is Essence dependant

[dense plover]

if you dont charge and just cast, it still has the cooldown

[ember blaze]

im talking about the charge spells not requiring essence

[dense plover]

i think the answer lies in something like increasing the cooldown while increasing damage or providing utility with the charge, or something like that

[jade basalt]

Essence-requiring spells are Pyre (instant), Disintegrate (channel), and Charged Blast (instant).

Empower spells are Fire Breath and Eternity's Surge.

In Devastation at least.

[ember blaze]

no essence

[jade basalt]

Yeah Empower spells aren't Essence spells.

So kind of 2 different discussions.

[cunning fossil]

People asking about what the best tank is when not all tanks are even avilable

🤡

[uncut lintel]

💀

[plain violet]

They are fast to think alpha is the final state of the game...

[rain cave]

New trees today apparently

[cosmic beacon]

where my sham tree at

[rain cave]

Apparently today

@cosmic beacon

[cosmic beacon]

[rain cave]

Hold on man

Be patient

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1549368519330091008?t=3eev9M2PtsWd9nioFMStaw&s=19

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

They added Torghast Powers for Dracthyr Evokers?!

Likes

290

Twitter · Jul 19, 2022, 12:20 PM

@uncut lintel

[cosmic beacon]

where evoker orderhall

[rain cave]

Evoker molten core tierset where

[sullen dawn]

Hope we get paladino and monka trees today

[glad niche]

I do remember them saying evoker isn't getting legion halls.

[heavy lance]

Can't wait for paladinos ?!?

[glad niche]

Paladin dinos

[heavy lance]

I want them to bring back spinny hammers on ret pally

[sullen dawn]

No sir neighbourino

[heavy lance]

TORNADO HAMMERINO

[sullen dawn]

One day we'll get survival hunter range viable Ret pala

[heavy lance]

NO NO

[sullen dawn]

We're slowly getting there one talent at a time

[heavy lance]

I wish they added actual survival mechanics in the game

Like in an ice region you need to put down a campfire/wear warm armor

[sullen dawn]

Survival hunter traps should reworked

So you place them befor the battle

Hidden to enemy player (in PvP)

You kite mobs into them

[heavy lance]

Well

If you place a bear trap on the groumd

How is it gonna be hidden

[sullen dawn]

Ike survival should be THE kite spec

Ya it's not very realistic but would be cool. Maybe you gotta actually hide em in bushes n stuff for pvp

[heavy lance]

As a fellow world pvp'r, I approve of this message

Wait a minute

How will druid flight form work in DF?

[plain violet]

Today? Soon, soon...

[sullen dawn]

You just go into ground travel form I think

[glad niche]

I'm guessing like normal mount flight. If they can't fly, we can't bird.

[glad niche]

has anyone shown the dracthyr swimming animations yet?

im curious how good/bad at it they are

[sullen dawn]

I hope they swim like lizards :p

🦎

[rain cave]

the wings would be intrusive

but I like it

basically nelf swim but side to side

[uncut lintel]

EVEN IM SLOW BUT NOT THAT SLOW

[plain violet]

We can always be that slow...

[proper palm]

For Drachtyr in MrGM video 😮

[uncut lintel]

,OOO

[plain violet]

Yeah, that's cool for transmog. :)

[glad niche]

Im trying to get the stinkrot smasher from island expiditions so my dragon can dual wield floppy fish

[proper palm]

I so want to use the legendary thief's daggers on my evoker ;__;

[uncut vault]

Odd that they can use staves and two handers, but not polearms

[glad niche]

I dont see staves as odd seeing as they are casters

cant make the argument about polearms being for physical classes tho, seeing that line up with swords and daggers

and fist weapons, lmao

[pulsar minnow]

Oh thank goodness they can use two handed swords

Taeshalach would go great with my Black Dragon Dracthyr

[rain cave]

Ashkandi

[cunning fossil]

I love how many dragon NPCS there are

Yes it's a given but they look cool and have interesting names

[cunning fossil]

Also he'll yeah more unions

[rain cave]

My favourite vegetable

[uncut vault]

well that's my question

staffs make sense

but why do they have 2h melee weapons

and if they do have those, why are polearms excluded from that when they already use staff anims anyways

you could make the argument that it's because there are 2h int weapons for paladin, but why would dracthyr need those lol

[rain cave]

Druids have polearm

[upper pasture]

YOOOO that leather pvp set looks great

[uncut vault]

the helm is a bit awkward given the xpac premise though lol

walking into the dragon continent with all our dragon friends

"hey uh... what's that on your head?"

"oh yeah that's bobastrasz, I killed him last week :)"

[upper pasture]

bobastrasz was a dick anyways

[deep pawn]

they need to start making weird caster weapons again

especially now that there's another class that can use two handed maces and swords

I know holy paladin and shaman prefer to use a shield, but man the 2hander looks are cool

[glass flicker]

Then maybe they should make 2H weapons have a passive that gives extra stats. Because that's the attraction of dual wielding.

You can have mastery and versa on one, and maybe crit and haste on the other.

[rain cave]

But then everyone would just take 2h

With the best stats

I'm thinking a bit more unique , look at something like frost dk or curry warrior

Fury*

[upper pasture]

god i'd could go for some curry right now

[rain cave]

If people want weapons to matter for casters, maybe for mage a 2h gives increased base damage, whereas 1h decreases base cast time

Nothing significant, could even just be on the scale of like a racial ability

To add some flavour or something

Then arcane makes who like spamming can feel satisfied in stacking more speed

Mains*

And the ones who like to blow up then act like they don't know nobody can stack their damage

[ionic terrace]

Apparently alpha servers went down so build soon tm

[plain violet]

Yeaaay. \o/

[rain cave]

🙏

[plain violet]

Let's hope!

[rain cave]

The 3 classes at the front of my mains potential list

[plain violet]

In whatever case, I will be happy.

But admit that I am eager to see for mage and war..

[rain cave]

It's a good spread

[plain violet]

Sure. 😁

I play mainly a druid, hunter, and mage rn.

But shaman is a class that I do like, thematically. Warrior too.

[rain cave]

Plate dps tank, cloth pure dps, mail dps healer

Covers a lot of bases

[plain violet]

Oh, I do agree! And from the datamined spells also..

[glass flicker]

I can't wait to see how they will fuck my arms warrior up. Also windwalker.

If I can't have all burst cooldowns on a WW, is it playing WW?

[rain cave]

Ww taking other specs cheap abilities for mastery sake

I'll be interested in how much we can buff stagger

[glass flicker]

Hey, I mean, WW at least requires skill, unlike Havoc DH.

[rain cave]

Too bad monk just feels jank to play

[glass flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

[rain cave]

Nah

Look at fof animation

[glass flicker]

What about it?

[rain cave]

Soooo jank

Feels like breath of sindragosa

Not you punching fast

[glass flicker]

Eye Beam is literally Fists of Fury 0.5 but you compare it to Breath?

[rain cave]

Eye bean is satisfying

[glass flicker]

Because it always crits, is that it?

[rain cave]

Unlike breath and fof

Because you can see it and it feels weighty

Fof would be better off as a killingspree style ability

But faster

[glass flicker]

No?

[rain cave]

Killingspree is fun af

[glass flicker]

Killing Spree literally removes all control you have over your character.

[rain cave]

Yeah so

It's fun

[glass flicker]

Say that after it kills you on Mueh'zala.

[rain cave]

Now THAT'S a skill issue

[glass flicker]

It's an issue of the skill, not of the caster.

[upper pasture]

uhhh

[rain cave]

Not really

If you'd stood in fire and dpsd you would have died

[glass flicker]

What are you talking about?

[rain cave]

If you're doing to muezala

Dying

Because of Killing

You would have anyway

[glass flicker]

It literally makes the talent useless because it kills you if cast.

And that's a skill issue?

[rain cave]

How lol

[upper pasture]

yeah, idk what you're going on about

[glass flicker]

Gtfo.

[upper pasture]

becuase it teleports yyou BEHIND him

[rain cave]

Just don't cast it if he's doing mechanics

[upper pasture]

where there is no ground

[glass flicker]

How is that a skill issue and not an issue with the skill?

[rain cave]

But then it teleports you multiple times

Then pops you back in front

If you're casting killing spree while he's channelling beams

That's skill issue

[glass flicker]

It used to pop you in front after it finished casting when you could glyph into it.

[rain cave]

You shouldn't have been greeding dps

[glass flicker]

Not sure if it does it anymore.

[rain cave]

Well it won't just drop you into the void lmao

[glass flicker]

Sure it will.

[rain cave]

Well why would it

[glass flicker]

Go try it.

Because it ports you BEHIND your target.

[rain cave]

But there's no ground to teleport too

If it just moved you behind people would use it to go through walls and floors

I assume it should literally place you behind them

[glass flicker]

I mean, you can get vertical distance with it.

Imagine this scenario. There's a mob on a platform above you, you can't fly, and grapple is on CD.

Killing Spree will get you that altitude.

So it's not all bad.

[sonic flame]

I'm starting to theorycraft a bit regarding dragonriding as a feature in the game

I think the future might bring up some technical problems that we aren't able to see at the momen

This is an example:

[ionic terrace]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/owOa_SeApfSACSDrnyo9HEpdwAVN_8d37piUT-WPB0A/%3Fstp%3Ddst-png_p843x403%26_nc_cat%3D105%26ccb%3D1-7%26_nc_sid%3D9267fe%26_nc_ohc%3DyFR3r27FByMAX9HcKEr%26_nc_ht%3Dscontent.ftsr1-2.fna%26oh%3D00_AT9bTnwENyOVldKE1-uGp6m9kWIbbmzkUFsEIDeE877FJw%26oe%3D62DB0E2D/https/scontent.ftsr1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/292615083_2233152770180162_3103497754290227946_n.png

Oops bad timing lmao

[plain violet]

Shaman?

@rain cave For you. ❤️

[rose escarp]

👀

[languid yoke]

dungeons 👀

[sonic flame]

Devs have specified that the new zones are built with dragonriding in mind and, by so, they will be some of the biggest zones in wow. That said, wow zones have always been very peculiar compared to other games, because they have been built so well you never ( or almost nerver ) find bits of territories that are " worthless", as in not an area of quest, farming, treasure-finding and whatever else.
This is amazing because it makes the world feel vivid and not just a clump of textures, differentiating it by games that may have an equally large or even larger map, but that is algorythm generated and by so mostly useless ( minecraft is the first example that comes to my mind: larger than earth, yet repetitive and boring ).
When building a map with this " magic ", it's easy to think at its size a difficulty modifier: The bigger the map must be, the harder it's gonna be to not have useless places.

That said, we don't yet know if dragonflight's zones will lose this magic, and it might not be the case. However, should players really like dragonriding and have the feature move along in the future expantions, does blizzard have this in mind? Are they ready to permanently put more effort than before when creating maps?

Let me know what you think.

[rose escarp]

Now I want an alpha key!

[dense plover]

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1069282.jpg

one of those stone sethrakk is in valdrakken

whats up with these?

[plain violet]

Seem to be a construction.

[dense plover]

oooo - shaman trees are coming

also im hoping this means a new alpha wave

[plain violet]

I they they are ready too. They put so many efforts to maps, already...

[uncut vault]

See this is interesting, because one of the bigger complaints from legion onward was this very thing: that the zones were almost entirely built for gameplay, not nearly as much to be a world, with exceptions like Boralus

[rain cave]

Maybe something to do with incarnated?

[uncut vault]

compare to a place like Pandaria, which is filled with "useless" areas that exist not for a gameplay loop, but to be a little piece of the world

[rain cave]

But I see training dummies

[uncut vault]

Jade Forest especially

[plain violet]

Yes, it's a traning dummie for tank

[mossy meteor]

wave likely happening later

[rain cave]

Hmm

[sonic flame]

Oh! I haven't really played pandaria at all so I woudn't know about this difference. Thank you for telling me

[rain cave]

Maybe it's a dragon made titanic construct?

Or just a golem

[rose escarp]

I do enjoy that the zones can be used more than once for different times. Once for leveling and again for an endgame campaign and/or later patch content. Always feel good seeing a familiar area again and experiencing something that you didn’t notice at first.

[deep pawn]

Granted the vast majority of Pandaria is associated with either a quest or a scenario

[uncut vault]

Yeah it was a big shift of zone design priorities mostly starting in Legion, that has very mixed reception

[deep pawn]

there's only a FEW areas that are just there

[dense plover]

it would be interesting to find out the origins of the sethrakk - we still really dont know

[uncut vault]

Dragonflight seems to be going more towards the Wrath/MoP style of larger zones that are built with faster flying in mind from the get-go

[deep pawn]

Some of the quests are a bit more hidden than others, but yeah

[dense plover]

them showing up in dragonflight is very interesting

[uncut vault]

and as a result, they'll have a lot more areas that are more for building the visuals of the world than for gameplay

[dense plover]

interestingly, the sethrakk are noted as having been around before the sundering, meaning theyre an OG azeroth race

so its possible that the ones trapped on the dragon isles changed due to their isolation

which would explain the horns

[deep pawn]

Plus, magic everywhere

What if Neltharion experimented first on them

[dense plover]

who knows

im hoping theyre not just using without explaining

[rose escarp]

His baseline for the dracthyr?

Then again, what about the saurok (?) of Pandaria? Rather familiar, too

[dense plover]

since theyve put out that update btw, we should expect a new build in the next few hours

my guess is around 2pm PST

[deep pawn]

Saurok were made by Mogu

[uncut vault]

given that they're stone, it could end up being another curse of flesh situation

these ones just happened to be specifically made to work alongside dragons

cause I doubt that it would be the reverse of sethrak turning into stone constructs

[dense plover]

except that they fought with the trolls 16k years ago

thats pre curse of flesh right?

[uncut vault]

afaik there's no set timeline as to when it actually started affecting them

the only solid one we have is that it hit the vrykul en masse 15k years ago

but that one was more it devolving them into humans

not the original fleshy bits

[plain violet]

That also coincide with Loken betrayal, the curse of flesh thing.

After Yogg-Saron prison.

(to change beings of stone into flesh, more corruptible)

[cunning fossil]

https://twitter.com/Wowhead/status/1549479143292780544?t=mEaDAjLLfKLu0ZCs7DHQWg&s=19

Wowhead💙 (@Wowhead)

Blizzard has announced that phase 2 of the Dragonflight Alpha starts today with 2 new dungeons, a new zone and the Shaman Talent Tree. #warcraft #dragonflight

https://t.co/fMnYi4JhkJ

Twitter · Jul 19, 2022, 7:39 PM

Oh yeahhh

[plain violet]

❤️

I am eager.

[crimson jasper]

yessss really nice, just as they said with their new way of testing

[plain violet]

Yeah, one week = content, iz really nice..

[cunning fossil]

They are closing Azure Span however

Which is fine because focused testing is best testing

Also Profession specs are gonna be one hell yesa

[plain violet]

Agree! Focusing help to.. well.. focus. And to be sure to have players on this thing, not goofing around.

[crimson jasper]

yea seeing as they already went away to valdrakken

xD

[cunning fossil]

Exactly

Ugh I am excited

[plain violet]

Yuuup. ^^'

I am excited, too

!

[crimson jasper]

yea l cant wait for it

[cunning fossil]

When update

[crimson jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/maes-b-lost-in-a-field-pulp-fiction-john-travolta-gif-14829328

[cerulean lava]

Im excited for ppl playing the new Dungeon

[cunning fossil]

Whe

[crimson jasper]

yooo

that looks sick

[cerulean lava]

yeep, the name is Neltharus

[plain violet]

Sick. O_o

[cerulean lava]

and Uldaman will be live today too

[crimson jasper]

aye that I saw

wish I wasn't at work

but servers are down currently anyways yes?

[cerulean lava]

I think so

[cunning fossil]

Ayo

[dense plover]

we are just waiting on the build

and then after the build is typically when a new wave goes out

[cerulean lava]

🙏 🙏

[cunning fossil]

Yesss

[cunning fossil]

God speed Peach. We need you in there

[dense plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

im not subbed so who knows

theres a new battle.net beta

😛

[cunning fossil]

Nani?

[dense plover]

its literally nothing

somehow MMO-champ is already datamining stuff

"The 500 mount reward is now a White Armored River Otter"

https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2022/july/2096_brackenhide_hollow.jpg

https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2022/july/2106_brackenhide_hollow.jpg

[cunning fossil]

Oooh new dungeon maps

We havn't had a quill oar dungeon since

Lord

[dense plover]

this is the primalist tomorrow map

https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2022/july/2085_primalist_tomorrow.jpg

[cunning fossil]

How long has it been??

[dense plover]

its gnolls and furbolg

[cunning fossil]

I may be stupid

Sorry

That's what I leant

[dense plover]

@uncut vault

[cunning fossil]

Also Primalst Tomotrow?

That's the dungeon name?

[dense plover]

https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2022/july/2080_neltharus_a.jpg

neltharus 1

https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2022/july/2081_neltharus_b.jpg and 2

primalist tomorrow is likely whatever weird timewalking endgame thing theyre doing

we still really dont know

its possibly the new torghast

but very different

my guess is its a random set of events in a few of the possible time periods where you work to stop the infinite flight from ruining history

but each time, its different parts of the zone being messed up

vault of the incarnates loadscreen

https://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2022/july/loadscreen_hallsofinfusion.jpg

halls of infusion

[uncut vault]

oh the bronze dragon area is a lot more isolated than I expected

[crimson jasper]

l need it, l love otters!

[uncut vault]

didnt expect all those mountains

[dense plover]

new faction

Cobalt Assembly (New)

under the "Valdrakken Accord"

probably related to helping the blue flight recover since theyre a hot mess

theres a new map

Lost Arvillo (New) - Directory: 2573. Type: Normal.

apparently when they pushed the wrath build, there was a half push of the new 10.0 build

but its not actually pushed

dont know if those druid changes are any good - i only play balance

[ember blaze]

So retail got an xp boost they promised for tbc? 😶

[cobalt spoke]

new build is always exciting

shadow changes

[dense plover]

we gotta wait on the full build, but its almost guaranteed that every single spec is going to see changes from the first alpha eventually

nothing we have right now is final overall

[cobalt spoke]

Yea

Just been down bad about shadow

[deep pawn]

hmm, lots of shaman changes

[dense plover]

well, theyre getting talents this week

[deep pawn]

some of the datamines is weird

Like I can't see them making this many things class wide

[dense plover]

two new trickshot talents

NYI but still

neato - looks like theyre messing around with hit scheme for monks - i want that as a talent

this is the same map from the end of Emerald Nightmare but the art is different i think since it isnt corrupted

im curious if we will see the same green dragon finally elevated to aspect somehow

[plain violet]

The border map is different, yes...

It's great in all cases. I am all for seeing more of the Dream.

❤️

[proper palm]

The mount for 500 mount achivement... Mh... :c

[dense plover]

i was hoping for chungus murloc

sad

[cunning fossil]

It's an otter tho

That's awesome

[dense plover]

its nice

[plain violet]

Well otters... otters...

Otters. 😏

[dense plover]

i just want chungus murloc

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVy2KwlXsAUs0Td?format=jpg&name=medium

who wouldnt want this

[proper palm]

Need a flying mount ;__;

[crimson jasper]

why now that we have dragon riding ;p

[proper palm]

A recolor of an epic mount

Epic raid mount *

A recolor of argus mount still beter than an otter

[cunning fossil]

Lies

Otter better than ugly demon

[proper palm]

No lies, all player could have otter lol

[cunning fossil]

personally of course

[proper palm]

It's litteraly tuskar reputation mount 😂

[cunning fossil]

Bold of you to assume it'll be a cheap mount

[uncut lintel]

is this fanmade or

[dense plover]

real

[cunning fossil]

Also, this is the only color of its type so like

[uncut lintel]

blizzcon 2023 mount

[dense plover]

datamined

[uncut lintel]

?

[dense plover]

never went live

[uncut lintel]

wouldnt be surprised if it was blizzcon

[dense plover]

and the alexstraza pet went to the preorder

[uncut lintel]

ye

[cunning fossil]

Yeah it's still very much a unique mount. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it bot unique

[proper palm]

I'm not saying it's cheap, I'm saying it'll be DF's horse (Kultiras)

[cunning fossil]

Lel

[dense plover]

blizzcon mounts typically have a unique skeleton or something

[uncut lintel]

i guess but still thats the only murloc mount

ever

honestly not sure where else it would go

its not a dragon

[proper palm]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/first-look-at-dragonflight-mount-models-gladiator-mount-lava-snails-river-otter-327696 Look this

We have litteraly the SAME otter model

[uncut lintel]

yea but atleast its not a yeti

LOL

i would take otter