grand time adventure
#beta-ptr-spoilers
dense plover
it has all of the maps from the past in one instance
maybe some kind of timewalkers endgame thing like the old chromie time thing?
uncut vault
huh, thats funny, the drakes are considered character races
dense plover
looks like we have nzoth raid map, the bronze dragonflight area, the shifting sands, the mogu, wyrmrest (probably during the past when they were proto drakes), stormwind during the gnoll wars, an empty map, and onyxias lair map
uncut vault
maybe some kind of timewalkers endgame thing like the old chromie time thing?
is the "primalist's tomorrow" map also there?
or is that separate?
dense plover
ill check
uncut vault
cause if it is, I'd say its likely an endgame story thing
uncut vault
since the bronze seem to be a smaller part of thaldraszus
dense plover
theres this
dense plover
oh then yes
yeah i think its an endgame repeatable activity
possibly some kind of rogue like where you go to SOME of these areas to try to prevent time being changed
uncut vault
new crack theory, the current timeline leads towards the Primalists winning
dense plover
and whats wrong isnt the same every time
uncut lintel
I WANT A WHOLE ZONE THAT LOOKS LIKE BRONZE MAGIC
dense plover
ooooo - thats much better than my theory of us making him murozond
uncut lintel
uncut vault
it would also potentially line up with the old gods being involved since, at the time of the titans interfering with azeroth, the elements were under the sway of the old gods
dense plover
Dragon Isles Artifacts archaeology will at least be present
uncut vault
ayy nice
dense plover
249 Divine Toll Instantly cast an empowered Holy Shock, Avenger's Shield, or Judgment, that strikes all nearby targets. 133706 1 15
250 Amalgamate Fuse yourself into an enemy or ally. You become untargetable by enemies, but are unable to attack or cast spells. If the enemy is your level or lower, take control of them for the duration. 237147 0 16
251 Blood Oath Swear an oath in blood, immediately removing most harmful effects from yourself and causing your abilities to deal additional damage or healing equal to the health spent on this ability. 133523 0 16
252 Patronus Form Turn into a Spirit Fox, increasing your movement speed and causing enemies to ignore you. 797544 0 17
253 Invoke Lightgrove Create a Lightgrove at the targeted area, restoring health to you and an injured ally every 3 sec. Judgment has a chance to not incur its cooldown when cast against an enemy within the Lightgrove. 135931 0 17
254 Door of Shadows Bend through the shadows, appearing at the targeted location. 134430 0 18
255 Ashen Sunset Draw the Light into you, draining health from nearby enemies to restore yourself. Draining at least one enemy causes your next ability to be a guaranteed critical strike.``` these are all under racials - speculate about allied races as you see fitthey existed before - but they got new ids so theyre doing something with them
uncut vault
the light ones are intriguing
I wonder why they had to consider the drakes character races
I guess for the customization?
funny description for the visage forms lol
dense plover
I guess for the customization?
yes
OOOOOOOHHH
the murloc wyrmrest
its tied to the primalist tomorrow stuff
DUH
8925 Surfing``` wut Zone Goals Completed
9574 Hop in the raft and catalogue the nearby wildlife!``` confirming my theoriesits actually pokemon snap but wow
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dracthyr resource is called essence, right?
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do they have unique ones per flight? Cause Im finding strings for bronze, black, green, red, blue essence resources
dense plover
yes
i dont know why that exists
my guess is its either tied to the weird TEMP flight empowerment stuff
or its something they decided not to do
plain violet
```248 Unburden Dissolve into pure anima, dramatically increasing your mov...
Some are from Shadowlands, others are.. strange, effectively.
dense plover
9578 Film```its wow snap but its time limited instead of film limited
9649 Create a key to access locked areas beneath the Obsidian Citadel.```afaict this is ACTUALLY WQ 2.0
9658 Gain buffs while adventuring in the Obsidian Citadel and adjacent areas.```there seems to be a whole system with the obsidian citadel as well
seems like a whole bunch of pve content in the world
also sounds like a ton of fun
9652 Summon a powerful creature to help bring about the Hour of Twilight.```^lore significant in that bad guys are in fact focusing on the hour of twilight
though this is related to some kind of outdoor event, maybe ffxiv fate like?
dense plover
@uncut vault likely tied to the grand adventure thing
and looks like hunts arent just attacking enemies
uncut vault
thats neat, I hope they add more as the xpac goes on cause I love time shenanigans
dense plover
the enemies have like a tracked health percentage
theres caravans, weapon stats, and more
jade basalt
do they have unique ones per flight? Cause Im finding strings for bronze, black,...
There's only just one resource, "Essence". At least in alpha currently.
dense plover
There's only just one resource, "Essence". At least in alpha currently.
yeah porter asked because there are flight specific ones in the files
uncut vault
Maybe it's just prep for potential future spec expansion, giving some gameplay diversity to them
dense plover
maybe cooking/gathering WQ?
jade basalt
The spells however are categorized per flight, eg. you have Red spells, Bronze spells, Green spells, etc. So could've been related to that. https://i.imgur.com/5GbuHVj.png
dense plover
probably tied to the obsidian citadel
dense plover
The spells however are categorized per flight, eg. you have Red spells, Bronze s...
again, this might be tied to the thing i found about being empowered by a specific flight
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49210 PROFESSIONS_SPECIALIZATION_UNLOCK_PATH Unlock Sub-Specialization 1
49211 PROFESSIONS_SPECIALIZATION_UNLOCK_TAB Unlock Specialization 1
49212 PROFESSIONS_SPECIALIZATION_SUBPATH_UNLOCK_REQUIREMENT Requires %d points in %s to unlock an additional sub-specialization.
nice, theyre doing a lot of in depth stuff for professions
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@dense plover something I noticed about those racials, they all seem to be paladin based
dense plover
looks like early 70 stuff is ilvl 400
cunning fossil
These look like Optional Reagent descriptions
dense plover
they are
two other types of endgame activity thingies with more specific descriptions
cunning fossil
Fun
dense plover
Additional Ancient Waygate Seek out Dorim Oregorger to choose your third Ancient Waygate waypoint to quickly traverse the Dragonisles.
YO IM 100% right
this is a "renown reward" from the dragonscale expedition
so dragonscale is about exploration and cataloging and treasure finding
and you get things like Basic Field Supplies Purchase basic field supplies in the Dragonscale Expedition basecamp. and Expedition Scout Packs Information on finding Expedition Scout packs around the Dragon Isles.
Simple Archaeology Tools Purchase simple archaeology tool transmogs in the Dragonscale Expedition basecamp.
Eye for Quality Equipment acquired from treasures are upgraded by 1 level.
and looks like you can get equipment from treasure
Magic Bound Chests Ability to open Magic Bound Chests as long as you possess an Expedition Lockpick, purchaseable at the Dragonscale Expedition base camp. progressing further with them lets you unlock new types of treasure!
Buried Treasures Ability to dig up suspicious dirt mounts as long as you possess a Expedition Shovel, purchaseable at the Dragonscale Expedition base camp.
Plans: Enduring Shovel Purchase the Blacksmithing Plans: Enduring Shovel in the Dragonscale Expedition basecamp.
cunning fossil
This looks and sounds extremely fun
dense plover
^ professions can craft better versions too
im assuming the purchased ones are probably single use
and the profession ones are probably multiuse
Rocks and Rubble Covered Treasures Ability to find treasure buried under rocks and rubble as long as you possess an Expedition Mining Pick, purchaseable at the Dragonscale Expedition base camp.
plain violet
Lovely !
dense plover
Dragon Expedition Quest Line 1 Gain access to the Dragon Expedition Quest Line 1
they have questlines tied to their rep too
this is much more reminiscent of FFXIV reps in this way
Dragonscale Expedition Ensemble Purchase the Dragonscale Ensemble in the Dragonscale Expedition basecamp. theres an ensemble
Upgrade Discount The cost to upgrade your gear from the Dragonscale Expedition is reduced. looks like you can upgrade gear
656 Blasting Ability to find treasures hidden in collapsed caves as long as you possess Expedition Explosives, purchaseable at the Dragonscale Expedition base camp. the ability to open closed caves
the crafted item is engineering
theres a pet marmoset
also Marmoset Hats Purchase a variety of hats for your Marmoset pet.
oh this is cool
Dragonisles Map Purchase a cosmetic map of the Dragonisles that replaces your normal map, when viewing the world map.
definitely not implemented yet, but sounds fun
Backpack and Title Earn a new title and backpack transmog.
plain violet
Niiiiiice!
dense plover
also so far looks like 2 expedition questlines and 9 waygates
plain violet
Sounds really fun.
dense plover
ok - thats everything i could find
but theres several new types of WQs and World Events that im now very excited for
we wont see anything of them for a few weeks since theyre likely endgame only
but once we get there
i dont think people will care about old flight much once they play with this - it looks so fun
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@dense plover which db2 table were those story bits in?
I couldnt find it in the regular broadcast text table
dense plover
<@117691857911152645> which db2 table were those story bits in?
which ones
the razgateth ones?
uncut vault
Yeah
dense plover
pretty sure it was the start of broadcast text
first page
and then some assumptions by me
part of what i was reading without copying it because it is NOT in order
uncut vault
for some reason the 10.0 build isnt coming up in table comparison for me
only 9.2.7
mossy meteor
its at the bottom
mossy meteor
near the 1.xx builds
uncut vault
oh, thats a funny little bug with the numbering lol
mossy meteor
uncut vault
so yeah it looks like Nozdormu finds out about the dracthyr, demands that neltharion lock them away until they can figure out a way to "control" them
I guess the dracthyr were originally just basic servants, not actual independent mortals?
cosmic beacon
kinda disappointed with sham set 
looks boring and kinda garbo compared to all the others shown
uncut vault
also it seems like the dracthyr are really old
like, made immediately after the blessing of the aspects old
ember blaze
@cosmic beaconarent there 3 more versions
dense plover
like, made immediately after the blessing of the aspects old
not immediately, but definitely not long after
because its after the dragon isles are established, or at least the area is since neltharion made the area the drakthyr start in
and there are still proto drakes and other dragon flights
but its pretty clear that the raid bad guy appears to want to help the drakthyr initially but actually just wants to use them to stop the flights
which adds up with everything else he is doing
the gnoll/furbolg dungeon is tied to him, the onharan civil war is probably tied to him, and the other primal stuff is too
its pretty likely that the end of the raid is going to be the birth of murozond and thats going to pretty quickly lay out 10.1
its honestly a really solid theory Porter
i hate that i didnt come up with it
uncut lintel
i dont think people will care about old flight much once they play with this - i...
only if they play drathyr tho
ppl will be fucking jelly of the race
comparing a mount to a rcial
racial
but yea looks fun af cant wait to get my hands on that literally im so hyped
dense plover
mount is actually better
uncut lintel
dense plover
afaik, the upgrades dont work with drakthyr flight except on the isles
and even then i dont think its exactly the same
uncut lintel
what r u talking abt
dense plover
like i dont think they get the dragon attack abilities
theres a ton of upgrades for flight
a majority of them probably dont work with base drakthyr flight
uncut lintel
im talking abt how fun drathyr flying as the race will be compared to a boring ass mount in normal zones
uncut lintel
i know u cant use the whole system tho unless ur on dragon isles
dense plover
im expecting them to roll it out to old zones if people like it
dense plover
they just would need to go through old zones and add air currents and such so that its fun and not only something you can use from a high point
uncut lintel
yea
that would be neat
i wonder if they got any recomends for that
like sent to them as feedbac
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Wrathion: Yes, brother, why don't you explain how your ridiculous plan destroyed the future of an entire flight?
Sabellian: I apologize for any misunderstandings, Life-Binder, but any reports of our extinction are premature.
Sabellian: The eggs were never in danger. The cart, and my presence, were merely to draw the attention of our foes and allow my flight to move unobserved.
Sabellian: I have spent millennia rebuilding my flight, and as Neltharion's heir I pledge it, and myself, to you.
Sabellian:What are you--
Alexstrasza: These eggs are most welcome here, Sabellian, but your part in your father's twisted legacy has earned you no such privilege.
Sabellian: I aided my father as duty demanded, this I do not argue. But when the enormity of his betrayal became clear, I scorned his evil and turned myself to rebuilding a new black dragonflight, free from his corruption. And it is this I lead before you now.
Alexstrasza: I will see that the eggs are cared for, but I will not be involved in your bickering. That is for the black, not the red, to decide.
Wrathion: Do you play me for a fool, old man!?
Sabellian: You play yourself, little whelp. Have no fear, though, you will understand your place in time. Youth makes a fool of us all.```huh
"new" black dragonflight
with all the shit that happened, i bet theres still something wrong with them
uncut vault
oh 100%, especially if theyre sabellian's eggs
we have no real proof that his eggs were actually freed of deathwings corruption on outland
dense plover
boy
oh
what if it ties into the ruby lifeshrine dungeon
like, the eggs get stolen and now the primalists have them
man im so loving the story possibilities here and how much more grounded they are
plain violet
I love that.
dense plover
itll be exciting to find out Β―_(γ)_/Β―
uncut vault
I wonder if in the end, neither of them become the aspect
but instead Ebonhorn does
he seems to be the most reasonable of the three, with the most experience with friendly mortal relations
and it would be a way to not piss off half the players by having their reputation "lose"
cerulean lava
I found this guy frozen in the new raid :PP Rip
jade basalt
```Alexstrasza: What is the meaning of this, Sabellian? Where are the eggs?
Wrat...
This kinda read like something made up
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page 6
people saying the stuff is assumed, not confirmed, but lines up with all the text
jade basalt
Oh no I didn't mean to say you made it up
More a criticism of the the quality of the writing itself
uncut vault
I have to assume it feels better in context haha
tulip sun
people saying the stuff is assumed, not confirmed, but lines up with all the tex...
I love you lol
I saw your tweets
So glad to have some dialogue for Mayla
uncut vault
Yeah me too, I hope she gets to be the main delegate back to the Horde for this xpac
tulip sun
Yeah me too, I hope she gets to be the main delegate back to the Horde for this ...
Me too!
Are you still digging through/?
uncut vault
Not much more past that, beyond what we've seen about sindragosa
jade basalt
Interesting https://i.imgur.com/DAyDetC.png
Not sure what Trueborn and Scalesworn are
uncut vault
there is this funny fast and the furious level dialogue though
The power the blue dragonflight is missing is not ley lines, or ancient artifacts... it's family.
tulip sun
Huh ok. I thought there might be more with the Dracthyr since they are coming next week.
But I guess a lot is going to be added then too
jade basalt
> The power the blue dragonflight is missing is not ley lines, or ancient artifa...
Ah yeah that's towards the zone finale, before Kalec claims the Oathstone. https://i.imgur.com/zLGh2IZ.png
uncut vault
Not sure what Trueborn and Scalesworn are
if I had to guess, probably the two factions that guard Valdrakken
Trueborn are probably the titan constructs, scalesworn are the drakonids
jade basalt
There are a few Trueborn NPCs and they seem to be proto-drakes and fake-saurok
https://i.imgur.com/Yr49fYQ.png
And some have a <Primalist> title
uncut vault
oh, well trueborn are probably unrelated then
but there probably still are both titan constructs and dragonkin who guard the city with that latter dialogue
jade basalt
Wowhead said they've found only 1 titan watcher model (the one used by Koranos), which is curious
uncut vault
trueborn is probably the "official" name for proto-dragons
jade basalt
Meaning that the ones with long hair, or with the long shoulder things (like Loken), aren't there. (yet)
uncut vault
IE what they call themselves
jade basalt
It looks like "Primordial Trueborn" are proto-drakes, and "Trueborn Rainmaker" are tarasek
Tarasek are the saurok-like dragonkin https://i.imgur.com/lsueN8d.png
Which sounds a bit redundant with the whole Primalists thing
uncut vault
Im really interested in the drakonids finally getting story
theyve always just kinda been generic "we needed non-dragonsized dragons" characters for so long
but now theyre actually getting content alongside the dracthyr as creations of Neltharion, and ones apparently not given a choice in their purpose
uncut vault
Which sounds a bit redundant with the whole Primalists thing
difference between the dragonkin vs the mortals helping them, I guess?
jade basalt
Hmm
The NPCs called Scalesworn that I could find (the 10.0 ones, not counting stuff from WotLK or whatever) are Scalesworn Guardian and Wounded Scalesworn. They can be either drakonid or dragonspawn.
uncut vault
looks like the core concept for the dracthyr is being let loose into a world not under the control of the aspects
and having to make a choice of what they want to be
jade basalt
Yeah they're not kissing the dragons' paws https://i.imgur.com/6bb5FQc.png
Sounds like Raszageth being released is what triggers the release of the dracthyr as well?
https://i.imgur.com/VP6ieCq.png
https://i.imgur.com/llE2QLS.png
uncut vault
yeah it seems she comes back to wreak havoc on them out of vengeance for being imprisoned
also I guess what they said at the reveal in interviews for the dracthyr form being based on the mortals they were made on is, thankfully, not true
"Empowered by the magic of Nozdormu, our heroes take to the skies and fly off to Stormwind or Orgrimmar to warn the Alliance and Horde, and begin to join those cultures. Upon arrival, Ebyssian or Wrathion will introduce you to the faction and teach you how to adopt a visage to make the mortals less jumpy."
jade basalt
And this is possibly the final final boss https://i.imgur.com/cMsTRhi.png
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tulip sun
This matches what I read in the quest texts earlier
uncut lintel
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As Wrathion flies towards the vault, he is too late as Kurog and his Primalists open the door, using power harnessed from Stormsunder Crater earlier. The doors fling open with wind and force as a form emerges: Raszageth, the Storm-Eater. Raszageth taunts Wrathion with the death of his father, Neltharion before she drives him away... violently. And the Storm-Eater comes forth bringing the tempest!
looks like the starting zone is her prison
uncut vault
not broadcast text, instructions in the scene script text
presumably for how to code the anims for the NPCs
theyre not things intended for us to ever see
cause we'll be, yknow
actually seeing the actions haha
subtle oar
Neltharion is not Wrathion's father
Since when?
We literally help him in MoP get over his daddy issues with the August Celestials
He even calls him his father
jade basalt
Since always
uncut lintel
Inb4 deathwing is his father!
i thought he was
subtle oar
Deathwing is Neltharion
upper pasture
I know thatβs the joke
jade basalt
You literally help create Wrathion back in Cataclysm
subtle oar
No
upper pasture
You helped hatch him
subtle oar
We cleanse his egg
jade basalt
Deathwing/Neltharion is not Wrathion's father, guys.
uncut vault
It's a confusing little "we dont totally know" because canonically, Sinestra is supposed to be his only mate that survived mating with him, but then everything in game calls him his father
subtle oar
He is
uncut vault
and then dave kosak had a weird tweet implying some funky incest issues with Nyxondra
uncut lintel
u can still be a father even ifur not biologically related
jade basalt
Wrathion called Deathwing his father but that was because Blizzard forgot their lore. Then Blizzard justified it by confirming that he's not actually his father but just that Wrathion likes saying so. https://twitter.com/DaveKosak/status/329362547692150784 https://i.imgur.com/4LyEU7u.png
uncut vault
but then wrathion calls Onyxia his aunt, but then now in Dragonflight, hes calling both Ebonhorn and Sabellian his brothers
crimson jasper
maybe like "brothers in arms"
uncut vault
definitely not haha
subtle oar
Wrathion called Deathwing his father but that was because Blizzard forgot their ...
Blizz didnt forget their lore
crimson jasper
xd
uncut vault
he says it in an aggressive sentence
tulip sun
Hes essentially the father of the black dragonflight so it fits I feel
upper pasture
Sorta how Alex is the mother to all the reds
uncut lintel
including wrathions
uncut vault
Sorta how Alex is the mother to all the reds
well that one is also usually pretty literal haha
she's got a lot of kids
uncut lintel
child support where
jade basalt
Alex has actually birthed probably most red dragons
uncut lintel
jesus christ
jade basalt
Black dragons each had their own clutches
jade basalt
Ebyssian (aka Ebonhorn) has his own father for example, whom Deathwing/Neltharion apparently killed.
uncut lintel
jade basalt
Also the Aspects aren't meant to be the progenitors of dragons, the Titan Keepers elevated lots of proto-dragons (and proto-dragon eggs) into dragons (and among them, 5 into Aspects), so the Aspects didn't create all the dragons, they were just 5 among many. So the idea that all black dragons come from (or are even related to) Deathwing is incorrect.
upper pasture
I mean, did DW try to kill off every black that wasnβt related to him during his madness?
(Before turning on family too)
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Scene: Tuskarr Funeral
Boat is pushed out to sea. Gral appears and consumes boat and chief, Tuskarr cheer, celebrate, and are happy. Kalec reflects on this kinship the blue dragons have lost.
tulip sun
That is great
jade basalt
It happens out of nowhere too
Pushing the boat out to see was expected, there's quests building up to it and all, you prep the boat
Then suddenly there's a not yet implemented cutscene where, yeah, apparently the boat gets eaten by Gral
And no one bats an eye, totally normal
Their ritual is called the Cycle of the Sea
tulip sun
> Scene: Tuskarr Funeral
> Boat is pushed out to sea. Gral appears and consumes ...
Ooooh I wonder if there is a description of the horde council/alliance leader meeting scenes.
tulip sun
Ooo. Fancy ones eh?
uncut vault
probably gonna be where we see the divide between horde and alliance reactions a bit more explicitly
especially since Thrall will 100% be in the Horde one
ionic terrace
thrall's balls
tulip sun
especially since Thrall will 100% be in the Horde one
All horde leaders are in the files so hopefully they are all at least standing in the cinematic haha
Allianceside only a few leaders are in
dense plover
im hoping we see some of the more minor ones speak up - like mayla or thalyssra
tulip sun
Yup
I 100% see Mayla saying something if others disagree
Thalyssra we know will discuss the Dracthyr in a personal conversation with Theron
(Though honestly I dont consider Thalyssra minor anymore. She seems to be everywhere xD)
crimson jasper
thats good tho, I prefer not always seeing the same leaders^^
tulip sun
looks like it might be an in game one after all, at least the alliance's
Ohhhhhh
So not the fancy ones. I was so confused in another discord discussing your tweet
uncut vault
no it is fancy, just like, the new mid-level fancy
like the ones in 9.2.5
but not the prerendered ones
tulip sun
I can accept that. The recent ones have been great.
tender cypress
I think Turalyon deserves a new model, it's a bit boring to see him with the same armour. Is it Robute Guilliman's Armour of Fate? Who can not remove it or die
tender cypress
His armour is perfect, but for battle. He would need some a little lighter clothes
novel turtle
Can anyone dm the screenies of the warlock, priest, druid and evoker sets?
uncut lintel
@tender cypress when did pallys been able to fight using cloth
tender cypress
<@290217388270551060> when did pallys been able to fight using cloth
When they're on the battlefield and not sitting on the throne in front of civilians... Maybe?
Well, although in this case with so many dragons roaming around in SW I think it makes sense that he put it in case of any eventualityπ
uncut flicker
Can anyone dm the screenies of the warlock, priest, druid and evoker sets?
Are they out somewhere ?
Tried to find the rest but couldn't
dense plover
His armour is perfect, but for battle. He would need some a little lighter cloth...
thats literally his whole thing
hes always ready for battle
he is very battle oriented
tender cypress
thats literally his whole thing
I know, but I would prefer to see him also in a different outfit, like Anduin
dense plover
he isnt anduin though
wow doesnt do multiple outfits for characters
it gives them a specific look and sticks to it unless their character undergoes a massive shift
or if it has been a long time and the model needs to be updated
neither of those make sense for turalyon
young latch
Cloth is finally eating good. I love this mog.
tender cypress
Cloth is finally eating good. I love this mog.
Where I can see it?
young latch
Where I can see it?
wowhead alpha dressing room
I'm a fan of the mage set too though I know the blue is going to look better than yellow.
Eagerly awaiting what the buccaneer sets will look like π
uncut lintel
can we veiw drathyr yet and mess around in the dressing room with em orno
young latch
can we veiw drathyr yet and mess around in the dressing room with em orno
i think they are glitchy at the moment
uncut lintel
awww
dense plover
can we veiw drathyr yet and mess around in the dressing room with em orno
there will be a wowhead news post when you can
theyre working on it but there are a lot of options and a lot of files
uncut lintel
yea
dense plover
man i want alpha so bad - this is so frustrating. Going from alpha access for 2 expacs to not having it SUCKS
cunning fossil
man i want alpha so bad - this is so frustrating. Going from alpha access for 2 ...
Now you will.have to be with the normal.peopls
Like me
Isn't it fun to hang with me Peach?
:)
~~it's not.I know.hush. you're stuck here now~
uncut lintel
I NEEEEEED DRAGONFLIGHT NOW
cunning fossil
Lmao fair
dense plover
i usually find a bunch of bugs no one else does
i literally have a reddit title on the wow subreddit because i find so many bugs
its literally my most popular post ever
i usually find between 10 and 40 bugs that no one else had reported
and im not the first one doing any of that stuff
thats not a huge number of unique bugs, but usually the number of unique bugs is 400 to 100 so i account for somewhere between 1 and 5% of unique bugs found
ember blaze
@dense ploverpre-order and sub diff π
dense plover
i feel like it IS because im not subbed
rich elm
yea in the site it says you specifically HAVE to be subbed to get into alpha/beta
yea i just checked again
in tiny letters its like "you need to remain subbed to get into the alpha/beta choosing pool"
paraphrased but yea
cunning fossil
Oof
rain cave
You'd think they'd want feedback from people who stopped playing
ember blaze
does haste affect charge mechanic
plain violet
Not yet !
ember blaze
Oh ok.
strange falcon
man i want alpha so bad - this is so frustrating. Going from alpha access for 2 ...
peach having withdrawals from alpha access
strange falcon
imagine how many bugs are being missed
you can find them on release, dont worry
austere gazelle
peach having withdrawals from alpha access
The alpha is aimed to last till september. There will maybe be one invite wave per week, so maybe you're due for next week ( if they want to test every classes before beta, they have to invite a lot of players of thoses classes and not stick to the current pool )
Imagine they opened it for 5000 players in the previous alpha, and closed the invite for a month before beta, for example,
Maybe this time they are doing 500 players wave a week
if you are in the 1000 position, you're not in for the first week π€·
glass chasm
A German Content Creator had the possibility to have an Interview with Morgan Day
https://youtu.be/pw6zWwEAxC8
Of course in Englisch π
languid yoke
before I watch it, does he ACTUALLY answer a question or is he just dodging every question like in the tne interview
glass chasm
I would say - a mix of both
0:18 - At the moment it is very often emphasized that feedback is more important to you than ever. Are there new ways to get feedback during the Dragonflight test phase and, above all, to implement adjustments?
3:08 - The community noticed a slower rate for updates in the recent expansion. So we are wondering, if we shall expect the same rate for updates in Dragonflight as in Shadowlands or does the team have a different goal for Dragonflight?
4:58 - Discovery and exploration are said to play a huge role on the Dragon Isles. Can you tell us what to expect besides the common things like world quets, rares, treasures and so on?
7:40 - Professions are a huge part of Dragonflight. Can you give us some hints about new stuff for the secondary professiongs?
8:26 - With the return to Azeroth, many have asked for an overhaul, or partial overhaul, of the old world. As we know, that is not the case. But can we expect to visit the old zones with new content or are we only going to explore the Dragon isles?
9:56 - What is your favorite zone on the dragon isles and why?
11:26 - After some testing we think dragonriding is pretty awesome! It feels amazing to fly and dive around and it is something completely different to the normal flying. Dragonriding is the new main feature of dragonflight but what exactly can we expect besides flying and exploring? What are we going to do with our dragons?
14:02 - The Threads of Fate system in Shadowlands was a nice neww addition for players who love to play alts. Can we expect to see something similar in Dragonflight?
15:10 - Will Dragonflight bring some new long term motivations for players who not like to play dungeons, raids or pvp? Maybe more solo activities other than world quests?
16:33 - There was a lot of feedback on the Dracthyr's body, which seems a bit flimsy for a dragon. HOw did you deal with that internally?
18:37 - Gear, specializations, bonuses.. quite a lot of new things for crafting. This all sounds cool, but how do you want to carry this on after Dragonflight without it getting too much? Or is thi overhaul specifically designed for Dragonflight?
19:54 - Will there be more account-wide features like currencies especially old ones, account storage, reputation, questlines for unlocks and skips and so on?
21:37 - If you had an infinite amount of time and money, what would be the first thing you would change in World of Warcraft?
These are the question
uncut vault
man i want alpha so bad - this is so frustrating. Going from alpha access for 2 ...
I feel the same lol, Iβm wondering how specific they are with the whole sub thing because I still have a sub, itβs just not recurring anymore, and I currently havenβt preordered yet like past xpacs
But Iβm just waiting till this week to see if theyβll do a second wave, Iβve got some lingering hope lol
languid yoke
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0:18 - At the moment it is very often emphasized that feedback is more impor...
cool, ty
glass chasm
This question was funy
because indirect he gave the statement that SL and the 2 patches were not intended π
languid yoke
yee
I think the whole idea that it was always planned as a 3 act expansion and no raid was cut is as believable as "the earth is flat"
glass chasm
XD
Also good is the sentence:
"The team wants professions to feel like pillar, just like PvP, Mythic+, and raids. There should be the same level of goals to pursue."
Allright - let's see Blizzard
languid yoke
yeah that answer dropped a few times across interviews
but yeah mostly a skip-worthy interview too sadly
vale rune
yo
cunning fossil
Hello
lucid saffron
cerulean lava
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/hz2hld/shadowlands_is_safe_guys_i_found_th...
Bro you need the Alpha so much
the Mr Bug Reporter
dense plover
Iβm waiting
uncut vault
here's hoping they do another wave tomorrow
Morgan said they'll be opening alpha up a lot more in the coming weeks
it seems really small atm
dense plover
^
im not a streamer and it seems this first wave was almost entirely streamers/content creators vs normal
bronze holly
gotta get the streamers in there first
dense plover
where theyre usually like 60%
bronze holly
im not a streamer and it seems this first wave was almost entirely streamers/con...
jinx?
not sure if ill get beta again.....didnt play nearly as much as in previous expansions
or stay subbed as long
uncut vault
the unfortunate thing about shadowlands PTR was that there was significantly less content to actually test to get the account backing of being a reliable tester
bronze holly
dont think i made it out of bastion during that....just did raid testing and dungeons
had more fun doing legion testing and bfa was alright until you hit bugged quests that caused roadblocks
dense plover
i did all the zones and a ton of torghast during alpha/beta
proper crystal
did you resub? good luck getting in, peach :(
i assume they limit to sub only to avoid inviting someone to alpha who isnβt interested in wow anymore
pulsar minnow
I don't think that's the case. If anything, they want to regain the trust of those who did leave the game. I don't think they favor one group over another for invites
ionic terrace
im not a streamer and it seems this first wave was almost entirely streamers/con...
That and it seems like majority of posts are from the community council in the alpha forums
Iβm sure youβll be in soon
cerulean lava
π
ionic terrace
here's hoping they do another wave tomorrow
Iβm not sure about that, Iβm thinking the builds will be every Thursday
To give it a week
cerulean lava
Next week the Map avaiable will be The Forbidden Reach I think
Ion said in an interview
dense plover
i assume they limit to sub only to avoid inviting someone to alpha who isnβt int...
That hasnt been the case previously. its much more likely that this was just a much more limited wave
proper crystal
good luck getting in soon :(
uncut vault
Iβm not sure about that, Iβm thinking the builds will be every Thursday
waves dont need to be equivalent to waves of invites
proper crystal
last weeks alpha actually started tuesday to give streamers time to make content for thursday
thatβs why there was that leak last tuesday
officially/publicly it started thursday
austere gazelle
last weeks alpha actually started tuesday to give streamers time to make content...
First waves have always been streamer and press anyway
proper crystal
First waves have always been streamer and press anyway
true
rich elm
I don't think that's the case. If anything, they want to regain the trust of tho...
you say this but i just saw on their website in small letters that in order to get into the alpha/beta pool you need to be subbed
pulsar minnow
I guess I vaguely remember seeing something like that but regardless there have been FFXIV content creators invited to the beta who don't even have WoW subscriptions
rich elm
content creators are on their own level lmao, one FFXIV person got gifted the epic edition of Dragonflight by blizzard for free
content creators pay by making content and generating hype
dense plover
you definitely dont need to be subscribed though
this is a much smaller first alpha wave than normal
but theyre also doing testing totally differently this time
btw, what are peoples thoughts on the Forbidden Reach - anyone else think theres a very good chance this will be an endgame zone since its unlikely to be ONLY a starter zone?
or do you think theyll pull a broken shore and change the zone a bunch from when it was visited in the intro?
dense plover
fuck me
thats new
well, guess im not getting alpha
because im sure as fuck not subscribing to test for them
fucking assholes - asking me to pay so i can play QA
FUCK THAT
crimson jasper
I mean it makes sense that they'd want people that play their game to test their game
dense plover
during SLs i literally did the work of a QA person - thats $20/hour
crimson jasper
no reason to go ballistic like that
crimson jasper
π
dense plover
no reason to go ballistic like that
it didnt used to require a sub
this is brand new
crimson jasper
yea as is the way they wanna approach alpha + it makes sense
but despite that
as I said no reason to go apeshit on it
dense plover
im rightfully upset and i imagine there are others who absolutely agree with me
urban spire
they want the testers to be people playing the game at the moment
crimson jasper
yea cause the community loves to whine about everything so am sure a lot of people will agree^^
dense plover
im not one of those people Shuja
urban spire
I dunno man, its their game, their rules. They want the testers to be people that actually care and having the paywall is a way to filter out a lot of bad apples
crimson jasper
also being upset, sure but dont call people names and to go fuck themselves lol
dense plover
and im not exaggerating about my bug reports either
urban spire
people that will just test but wont be playing it any way
I think you're in the minority with who this is working against peach
dense plover
I think you're in the minority with who this is working against peach
im definitely not
crimson jasper
oh boy
urban spire
alright, well you do you
dense plover
theres a group of us that unsubscribed in 9.1 that are here that actually test stuff
dense plover
hf raging
what are you talking about? i had a single outburst when i discovered something i find personally upsetting - stop trying to make this into something it isnt
crimson jasper
also being upset, sure but dont call people names and to go fuck themselves lol
I dont, I literally pointed out
so
dense plover
i didnt tell any person to do so
crimson jasper
do with that what you will
dense plover
again - i was talking about blizzard as a company
because i find this personally despicable
dense plover
thats blizzard
crimson jasper
anyways food
dense plover
im talking about blizzard? who else would i be talking about?
you think im insulting the person who shared the link?
rich elm
i dont think its fair they lock out people who didnt sub to the game, esp if they didnt do it before, but if this is cause for great concern, it would benefit more to make a feedback thread for it, no?
rich elm
esp if Blizzard is making big claims to listen to feedback
dense plover
i dont think its fair they lock out people who didnt sub to the game, esp if the...
i dont think a feedback thread will do anything other than create a train of people saying screw blizzard. ive expressed my frustration and accepted the fact i might not get alpha
its not the end of the world
rich elm
wouldnt they change their mind and let anyone in?
dense plover
if the expac it good, ill buy it when it comes out
urban spire
it could also be that this is just for alpha
rich elm
ahh
dense plover
doubtful
urban spire
could change for beta
dense plover
its also possible that it may not be a hard rule
urban spire
since alpha at this point in time is seemingly a small but pin-pointy test
dense plover
it might be that people like me with records of intense testing will still get in eventually
urban spire
so they want to prioritize players currently playing the game, or at least seem to be
dense plover
i still theorize i didnt get in because i dont play any of the classes theyre testing
i play monk
urban spire
and then beta needs more people to do a large scale test so they open it up more
rich elm
i main a druid, still working to level her
urban spire
I main DK and Hunter, I did not get access
doubt thats anything to do with it
sad too, 12 years of playing and never got an alpha or beta π¦
rich elm
i have an active sub, and just recently bought the epic edition of DF
rich elm
if anything, they should DEF give those who bought the expac a shot, less chance of a charge back
we'd like to see the money not wasted
urban spire
I bet peach would get access if they were subbed
it would make sense since you had that 1000 bug report thing for SL
that's likely why you didnt get in
rich elm
lmao
Blizz like "this person is too good, we cant let them come back it will look bad for us"
urban spire
No I meant peach would get in if they had a sub
because they have a good history of bug reporting
crimson jasper
could be, but yea just relax, stuff might be upsetting but its just alpha, you can still follow news and play the game when it releases, should it look good enough to you
rich elm
i know i aint stressin, if i get in i get in, if i dont, it just means i get to play the full experience
crimson jasper
oh was more for peach, I understand being angry better than most I bet, so I know I should chill myself more often, thats why I kinda said it xd
uncut vault
btw, what are peoples thoughts on the Forbidden Reach - anyone else think theres...
I think its likely to be involved in 10.1's underground region
since it's the entrance to one of the underground prisons of the Incarnates
the raid is another one
harsh mason
btw, what are peoples thoughts on the Forbidden Reach - anyone else think theres...
I think it will be a raid
I don't know why, I have this feeling
rain cave
What's the forbidden reach?
upper pasture
When mom told you no snack yet you try to grab them
rain cave
Yeah that won't be a raid
uncut vault
but this time, it's on the world map for dragon isles
pulsar minnow
I think Blizz said we'd return there at max level, but I don't know if it would be an endgame zone. It's tiny
A majority of the landmass is just mountains
uncut vault
that's part of why I expect it to be part of 10.1 as a whole
would make for a good smaller patch hub
as the entrance to the underground region
pulsar minnow
That's a good possibility
But I also think there's a strong chance the zone could be right in the middle of that patch of water off the coast
rain cave
It's underground 10.1
As far as we know
So either neltharions tunnels or deeper primal vault
Is my guess
Or even Northend doing the bug people tunnels
pulsar minnow
Yeah, i just feel like with all the elemental involvement it's going to be like the Maelstrom with a hole in the ocean popping up leading us down underneath the isles
That said, we do know that Mantid are in this expansion
rain cave
The soulforges in icc where azeroths soul was being sucked from is close to the tunnels under northrend
And those tunnels are barely ecplored
harsh mason
If anything, relatively speaking, 50% of the underground part of Azeroth is different technologies of Titans
rain cave
We could use them to get to azeroth directly if there's a threat
harsh mason
Complexes and so on
rain cave
Maybe the titan stuff will get locked to us
harsh mason
The same Eternal Palace of Azshara, which she has arranged for herself, is a complex of Titans
rain cave
And we need an alternative route
harsh mason
It is unknown how many there are in total
rain cave
I could see the titans tech being blocked for one reason or another
Like we meddle too much or azeroth is too weak
Or somebody gets in there and kicks us out
harsh mason
By the way, Once upon a time, back in WotLK, they wanted to make an underground zone instead of the colosseum, from which we got to the ICC, but they didn't have time
rain cave
Ik
harsh mason
I could see the titans tech being blocked for one reason or another
It is unlikely that it will be possible to get there without Aspects
uncut vault
it might be that people like me with records of intense testing will still get i...
the thing I keep in mind is that they do second waves not long after the first one, for any specific people they might want long-term beyond the big streamer wave
harsh mason
And considering that now 2 out of 5 aspects are dead, this is a problem. Merithra doesn't seem to be the leader of the green flight
uncut vault
but yeah that sub requirement is real dumb, especially considering the current state of the game
rain cave
Wonder if that's an exec decision
"We just released a 6 month sub mount how can we increase sales"
"Make beta access sub only?"
tulip sun
Porter, I'm assuming not, but figured why not ask. Since learning the meetings with dracthyr are indeed IGC, did you spot anything?
rain cave
Also the new sub mount feels a bit iffy since I guarantee there will be the same mount pallete shifted at df launch
uncut vault
Porter, I'm assuming not, but figured why not ask. Since learning the meetings w...
they dont have the scenescript descriptions so sadly no
I assume because the IGC models are custom animated first
so the in game cutscene folks dont need any model instructions
tulip sun
Ah ok
dense plover
so the in game cutscene folks dont need any model instructions
this is correct - they have a way to import the rendered model bits into the game engine so they get rendered in engine with lighting and then they dont have to spend much time on scenery or terrain like they would for a rendered cinematic
lighting, scenery and terrain are the majority of the differences with the new IGCs and theyre able to be produced far faster as a result
they dont have to render the models at all, they just do the animations on the models and sync them to the voice acting and bam, theyre ready to stick in game
uncut vault
Basically all we know as a result is that it's a cutscene with Wrathion, Turalyon, and the new alliance dracthyr leader
all of whom have custom cutscene models
really disappointed by this
would love if marksmanship could get more than literally one combat animation at some point
after 18 years of waiting lmao
proper palm
Basically all we know as a result is that it's a cutscene with Wrathion, Turalyo...
(off topic but Velen deserved to lead the Alliance)
tulip sun
Basically all we know as a result is that it's a cutscene with Wrathion, Turalyo...
Assuming that's Azurathel? Any models for the horde equivalent?
ember blaze
hunters as a whole could use anything to make them more visually appealing
uncut vault
Assuming that's Azurathel? Any models for the horde equivalent?
none for any horde one yet, no
and yeah it's him
tulip sun
Hmk
subtle oar
By the way, Once upon a time, back in WotLK, they wanted to make an underground ...
IIRC, thats not entirely true. It had nothing to do with ToGC or ICC. Azjol-Nerub was meant to be an entire zone but because of time constraints, they took what they had and turned it into the dungeons we got. They were gonna explore more of the old god presence down there but couldnt.
dense plover
im kinda glad they didnt
i dont think they couldve fully realized it with the tech they had
signal bone
UH DK and hunters need it the most imo
new animations / spell effects
blood dk too
ivory meadow
Melee in general needs some touching up on combat anims tbh.
tropic trail
they just had something like that what
2-3 expansions ago?
DH'
DH's are probably fine?
signal bone
DH, rogue, and warrior are fine imo. Surv, UH / Blood, and maybe enh need some updates
but especially Survival and UH / Blood
idk about Paladin
monk also I think is a bit outdated, but there animations are mostly unique
dense plover
i dont think monks animations have changed since MoP
they got some updated spell effects
but theres a ton of overlap between specs and honestly most of their abilities are rather visually lackluster
mossy meteor
Maybe they'll use some of that diablo immoral money to get the animations done
Maybe
proper palm
Do you remember the new and instant removed paladin consecration animation ? :c
rain cave
The issue is the updated animations aren't applied properly
Dk uses old racial melee animation for their core abilities
And for some reason arms uses the awkward backward swing for mortal strike
The ability that should be a massive impacting swing
dense plover
Maybe they'll use some of that diablo immoral money to get the animations done
again - the game is not any worse than a gacha game
treating it like it is, ignores how terrible the entire market is
mossy meteor
Yeah I don't blame them for making it
I just hope some of the money is spent on good stuff rather than bobbys 50th yacht
dense plover
i mean, probably? but also kotick wont be there much longer 1-2 years at the most
assuming the microsoft deal goes through
which it probably will considering how unenforced our monopoly laws are
rain cave
Can't wait
As soon as he's gone
I guarantee there will be a joke npc
Guy in the diamond glasses on a boat in the ocean randomly hidden
With a pun/altered name
cosmic beacon
Yeah I don't blame them for making it
you look... familiar 
mossy meteor
upper pasture
Guy in the diamond glasses on a boat in the ocean randomly hidden
God I hope not, no need to immortalize a shitty person
uncut lintel
dense plover
gimme warlock/demon hunter talents
demon hunter and monk will be 2 of the last ones since they never had talent trees before
tropic trail
booo
uncut lintel
tropic trail
i hope affliction warlocks get access to legions soul flame
or legions affliction reap souls
just copy paste legion affliction, that'd make me happy
with maybe some MoP in there too
uncut lintel
i want legion feral
ember blaze
I just hope some of the money is spent on good stuff rather than bobbys 50th yac...
bobby or no bobby, most of the money will end up as someone's new yacht
uncut lintel
bobby or no bobby, most of the money will end up as someone's new yacht
yea its gonna be a horde yacht
tropic trail
I'd love to play alliance
uncut lintel
wyh
tropic trail
nah, population is shit
uncut lintel
but still not as populated as horde
and ppl lock eachother outo f shit
'horde only" groups
uncut lintel
i want nightborne druids
uncut lintel
bruh please i want my dragon to have a vulpera visage
im surprise they limited visages
u dont need to add customs to every visage race but still : (
rich elm
! Question: if blizzard were to ever open up more races to the visage form⦠does this mean you can pick a race you have not unlocked yet as a visage?
uncut lintel
! Question: if blizzard were to ever open up more races to the visage form⦠does...
u cant pick any race u havent unlocked why would u be able to as a evoker
rich elm
Dracthyr are basically chameleons but for races
mossy meteor
bobby or no bobby, most of the money will end up as someone's new yacht
Amen brother
uncut lintel
we should be able to choose tuskarr, gnolls, and other races as visages
since thye can be anything they want
rich elm
Even a bowl of fruit
uncut lintel
uncut lintel
as yes a bowl of fruit as my fema-- oh sorry, body 2 dragon
cant say genders anymore
rich elm
S Dgg mgc
I mean we legit got a dragon aspect that chose to be a troll
I want a troll visage D:
It would also be incredibly hilarious if a dracthyr decided one day they will take the form of a mechagnome
proper palm
bruh please i want my dragon to have a vulpera visage
Human / belf for the first time (i hope), 'cause 90% of dragons use human and Belf visage form
In fact we just need one more customisation : The shape ; Imagine just the actual evoker design but on an human shape for male and Belf for female
uncut lintel
please
i mean im happy with wat we got for now bcuz its dragon race
but i hope in future i can be a vulpera visage as a race option
theres never too many options
cosmic beacon
proper palm
Blizzard : "We listening community"
Community : Give us more humanoid visage shape
Blizzard :
cunning fossil
Blizzard : "We listening community"
Community : Give us more humanoid visage sha...
they can't just whip up more that quickly lmao
like these alone are probably a few months of work
not saying we SHOULDN'T ask for more
proper palm
I didn't say that, but speaking to the community who keep asking them; yes
Blizzard has always been one to ignore when they don't want to change something.
Then it's just a skeleton (human in this case and Belf for females)
They can perfectly keep the faces / hairstyles [...].
The work is already done
I imagine just one more option in the customization to alternate Blood elf / Human (Like the human face shape) and keeping EVERYTHING else
urban spire
well they arent belf visages, they're high elf
so void elves/belfs should be the first dragon visage
uncut lintel
if i see the word high elf one more time playing wow i quit
urban spire
well, technically it's 2 words
upper pasture
highelf
uncut lintel
DOAWOJADJ
proper palm
Belf shape / body b'cause we don't have high elf race in game, lol
tropic trail
wish i got into the alpha
i got into the shadowlands beta
so maybe ill get into dragonflight beta?
cunning fossil
maybe
dense plover
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
tropic trail
lol
ember blaze
Belf shape / body b'cause we don't have high elf race in game, lol
? theres two
@tropic traildid you actually test and report bugs?
dense plover
I reported like 5 bug
from SLs beta^
i had 954 during SLs alpha
im fairly certain theyre separate numbers, not cumulative
tropic trail
Neat.
ember blaze
π
spark crag
the blue one looks great. wish that'd be the player models
formal vale
π€ Is it just me or does the Evoker Primalist set look noticeably less detailed and lower res than the other class sets? I know it's an early model viewer preview and I've only been able to look on my phone so far, but even on my phone the difference looks substantial.
proper palm
? theres two
I know it, but technically the skeleton is called "Blood elf", the races using it are based on that, I know my lore ;p
rain cave
Why do the storm wind guards and such hate the dracthyr
Ik they don't like deathwing, onyxia
But they've worked with dragons before?
Including to take down death wing
proper palm
Remember that the world of wow is not ultra connected and the experience of champions is not that of the commons
rain cave
Not to mention that biglegendary quest where dragons literally hover above stormwind
proper palm
Stormwind suffered from the actions of the dragons, between the destructions, the fear that deathwing inspired.. the Horde who used the dragons during the war ...
The fear inspired by dragons since Warcraft I is stronger than a short visit to Stormwind :p
It's the same for the forsakens, b'cause of the pain (that the scourge made)
plain violet
Stormwidians didn't fight dragons, that was more of a Lordaeron fight.
proper palm
Stormwind fight some black dragons ..
Deathwing who spread fear in the shadow of his wings
Onyxia ..
plain violet
There could be the deathwing and sinestra problem, for sure, but as ppl cannot know yet dracthyrs were made by Neltharion (not to add commoner don't even know Deathwing was Neltharion), it's more of a "we don't like dragon" mentality.
Interesting enough, Shaw could have objected to Turalyon, but choose not to.
And this a point that could be exploited for the future, when the people around you, supposed to help and tell you what happened, don't bother to contradict a passed view.
Sinestra is a better argument that black dragons in general. Even in Cataclysm, the contact was not that common, in the contrary of Sinestra that was a huge blow against the Alliance and the "oh shit they can infiltrate us"
proper palm
After they arrived with wrathion maybe ?
Humans know the perfide nature of dragons and especially the black dragonflight (With infiltrate, plot, power and kingdom destruction)
With such a history it's normal to see guards acting like this and i love this !
plain violet
I still think Blizzard just want to show a different side of the Alliance, for example the differences between Shaw/Wrathion, and Mayla/Ebyssian.
plain violet
After they arrived with wrathion maybe ?
Humans know the perfide nature of drago...
I was thinking of the exchange between Turalyon and Shaw.
Turalyon admit basing his view from dated reports about Sinestra. And what he think of. Shaw hesitate, but ultimately go his way to not object him or tell him that was very specific.
It's a neat element that also show a leader doesn't do "bad things" juste because, but also because the ones around him don't stop him. Shaw is pretty faillible as a character, so it's normal to see him act that way.
coarse quail
π
Looks so funny
Like dragons with a crocodile
And a elf
Together as one.
And turtle
proper palm
I don't think Blizzard want to show another side of the Alliance, i think it's a way to reconsider lore and put the player in
Just the Onyxia plot allows to justify this mistrust
Turalyon and shaws have a lot of responsability now and maybe not want to revive a drastic dragon problem xD
plain violet
Oh, they do have responsability, but their way of dealing with is very telling. :p
Sure, it's still the alpha. But the paranoid nature of Shaw for example is knew since Legion, same with BFA and Death Rising, when he risked to start a war because of mistrust, and his whole "assuming the worst" persona that Flinn tried to relax.
proper palm
I think there's something to be paranoid about when you've been replaced by a dreadlord :p Then it's being weak to relax your vigilance for a master spy and the weak times make ruins
We play drachtyr but nothing stops some drachtyr from being bombs or carrying on the cursed legacy of the black flight after all
It's not a fact but it can always happen, so it's better to keep an eye on them
plain violet
From what we know as players, dracthyrs are from way before the corruption of Neltharion. So the cursed legacy have here no weight. ^^'
And for now, from the alpha, ppl seem to not even know they were created by Netlharion, they are just presented as draconic allies. So that's two arguments that cannot be made on the side of "keeping an eye on them", beside the simple "well it's a dragon race" thing.
I talked a bit about Death Rising (and Shadow rising) because.. well, he really messed up with Zandalar (even if he was treated well).
Of course, he was replaced, but his paranoia is still a flaw of him, taken as a flaw by the narrative of the book, for example. :p (this and his loneliness)
rain cave
It's interesting watching turalyon doing things like this
He has almost no personal connection to Shaw for example
It's so professional to him
And he's a war moulded leader too
Chain of command
plain violet
Yes, it's a interesting example of professional relationships and the flaws that could be done with.
rain cave
I do hope the dracthyr get to be an actual force in the story
And not just added at the start and used ad set dressing
hollow imp
send more nelson pics
rain cave
Hi tony
uncut lintel
the blue one looks great. wish that'd be the player models
too ugly
no wings
no thanks
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no hes literally hedeious
those models are so gross idk why people want them
they dont even have wings
it would just be another kul tiran, played for a week, then be a dead race
it would be nothing unique
rain cave
I disagree
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but with how much work they already put in the current ones we are getting, glad we are never getting those ugly buff dudes
rain cave
This should be same for other races too
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body options im ok with
rain cave
Body options
rain cave
I don't think putting personal bias against gigachad physique is really a definitive opinion lmao
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but it doesnt even have wings
rain cave
Doesn't have to
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who would pass up a dragon race who can fly for a reskinned kul tiran
it does need wings otherwise its not unique
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yea thats different
thats gliding
not ffully flying
everyone can glide
but not everyone can fly as a mount without a mount
if u get me
but anyway tho im glad we are getting what they showed im hyped as hecc
rain cave
Alchemist dragon xdd
rain cave
You can get a transformation
uncut lintel
he sandstone?
rain cave
Ye
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yea but thats still considered a mount
its not a racial
youre not flying on yur own
sure u turn "into" a dragon but its still a real mount
if its in the mount journal then its not related to what im takling about
glad niche
M' confused. allso hello.
glad niche
ah yes, tale as old as time
I wouldnt say the dragochad is a reused kultiran model tho. Just cause those guys do already exist in game, the biggole nugget i mean.
glad niche
They are in .... that one dungeon tier in a mountain, and onixias lair
i killed some just yesterday
just REALLY OLD skins on em atm
glad niche
xD
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idk, i just dont like them and i hate it when ppl compare a buff four legged feral dragon like deathwing to anthro ones
like they can do the same things, no they cant
glad niche
I mean i dont hate the way the new model looks, it honestly holds true to their old features, just updated.
I do feel the chaddy chungus is too beef for a caster only playable tho
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it might be the fricken uhhh
chin tentacles
cuz mostly of the time anything that has that, its just ugly
like why
they are not octopuses
glad niche
just think! you can pick your nose while your hands are full
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TRUE THE EVOKER IS A CASTER
glad niche
reminds me of garados, the chintacles
like the whole Carp swam up a waterfall and dragonned thing?
carp have wiskers
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u lost me
oh yea
but those are atleast cute
like on those dudes it looks like someone just took the end of a tentacle and glued it
yes i hit puberty father, am now have beard
glad niche
I just sayin the chintacles never phased me cause my thought was "ah, well they are supposed to be non true dragons" other stuff transformed INTO draconics, by dragons
so i see those whiskers and i see "The fish that worked its ass off to become dragon"
also a chonk humanoid like that (bipedal beef wall) would have a lot of difficulty flying
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thats wut i said
ik its a video game
but still it has logic in it
same reason i cant have my undead druids
glad niche
I get were also talking about a fantasy game here, with big ole dragons flappin around
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im glad we got the ones we got with wings yoo the flying is siiick
glad niche
but that big ass dragon has big ass wings
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I get were also talking about a fantasy game here, with big ole dragons flappin ...
yea but those are TRUE dragons
on all fours
feral
and yea huge wings that actually fit their size and they dont cast with their fuckin hands
glad niche
you put the drakthyr wings on chaddychintacles and they are not gonna give him much above a hover and a back problem
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π
glad niche
I wouldnt mind them as like, a future subrace unlock or something (No i wouldnt play em, but hey, options)
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yea
glad niche
but not as an evoker
glad niche
Sethrak would be cool
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im so sad we got mechagnomes instead of sethrak,hell id even prefer em over vulpera
blizzz
glad niche
Id prob try a centaur or similar, but theres a stuff line they would have to cross there that idk if they will ever be willing to
meeeh, sethrak played villians on all sides, afaik
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a centaur would be cool but that would probably be really dificult
rich elm
i got a dragon as a playable race so im set tbh, but more allied races never hurt
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due to the limbs
glad niche
mhmm
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i got a dragon as a playable race so im set tbh, but more allied races never hur...
no, i even want more alied races, everquest 2 the game has like 50 races π
i want 50 in WoW
rich elm
thats an easy fix, dont put armor on the back sides
glad niche
well they would gain racial passives to run speed
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yea
glad niche
but flyign would be the main issue
rich elm
hear me out
Visage forms 3.0
glad niche
horsegirl dont have a history of visage forms