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cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 1:01 AM

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Agreed lol

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though their Zoo build sounds really cool to me

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 1:05 AM

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true bm might be cool in df

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 1:05 AM

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Ye

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To be honest I just wanna make some jank ass builds

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And fuck around with every class

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 1:06 AM

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that's what's fun

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people forget they are actually playing a game

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 1:06 AM

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every single class I play is gonna have a meme load out. Maybe 2 lmao

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 1:06 AM

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crimson jasper people forget they are actually playing a game

Facts dude.

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 1:23 AM

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lmao everyone is expecting a full Spec rework

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like no dude

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WoW players will never be happy lmao

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Shit's wild

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massive CD reductions

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 1:32 AM

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cunning fossil WoW players will never be happy lmao

why no new abilities my spec aint shiny they only selling us back shit we already have reeeee

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almost as if this was intended to idk, create a good foundation for specs to work on, with gameplay styles they know already work?

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 1:51 AM

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Nah no way

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It's just blizzard being dumb of course. Because everything they do is a bad decision

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even the decisions I wanted them to make

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half joking of course

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 2:08 AM

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yea, thing is a lot of people behave that way tho, again criticisms aside and ofc blizz does pull some massive face palm maneuvers here and there even tho we told them, relaying such concerns comes better in civilized words than screaming and flailing and throwing feces, plus being optimistic and also recognizing things that indeed DO go well often gets just thrown below the rug by those people just for the sake of complaining that the sky ain't blue enough

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l mean just take the "it's releasing too early it will be bad" mentality

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🙄

rich elm Jul 9, 2022, 2:12 AM

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imo if they say releasing too early = bad then i can counter with releasing really late wont guarantee a good expansion

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then again, if it were releasing pretty late, WoW players still wouldnt be happy

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Blizzard plays the fun game of "what does make the least amount of players mad?"

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i get the untrust and stuff given how blizzard has treated their own community

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but i think its still a bit weird to already assume DF will be bad based on release date

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 2:29 AM

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pretty much agree to that

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btw Blizzard fucked up p hard over the cause of bfa and sl in terms of community, with now having given them a kick in the butt tho to take them off their high horse, and other mmos making good examples of how it's done, l'm pretty positive on them doing it better this time, what they are doing so far atleast suggests as much

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if they on the other hand think they wanna be assholes again well l know where l stashed my pitchfork

deep pawn Jul 9, 2022, 2:53 AM

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I'm hoping pet MM can be viable

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But it'll probably suck in AoE

deep pawn Jul 9, 2022, 3:21 AM

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I'm not a fan of hunter's class tree

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Gotta take some really meh or pvp only stuff

ivory meadow Jul 9, 2022, 4:35 AM

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Vendor 2 just got updated to the most current dev DF build

ember blaze Jul 9, 2022, 4:43 AM

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@ivory meadowsoooo, alpha tomorrow?

ivory meadow Jul 9, 2022, 4:45 AM

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if they really want to push it? perhaps.

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or it might just be one last thing before they go live next week.

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since it's the weekend.

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but yeah

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the deal is sealed now that it's next week.

dense plover Jul 9, 2022, 4:49 AM

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i think its probably next week

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it HAS happened over the weekend

ivory meadow Jul 9, 2022, 4:49 AM

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yeah

dense plover Jul 9, 2022, 4:49 AM

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but i doubt it

ivory meadow Jul 9, 2022, 4:50 AM

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was it SL that it was weekend or some other expac

dense plover Jul 9, 2022, 5:06 AM

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i think it was SLs'

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no - it dropped friday

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i just checked my old stream from that first alpha and it was apr 17 2020

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legion was a monday

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bfa was a wednesday

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so we could see DF monday

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only way we see a weekend build is if its very stable

pulsar minnow Jul 9, 2022, 5:11 AM

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It’s definitely within the next week I’d say

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 5:29 AM

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pulsar minnow It’s definitely within the next week I’d say

looks like you're new here. Hello!

uncut vault Jul 9, 2022, 5:33 AM

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hunter trees are definitely... interesting now that Im playing with it

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it's kind of crazy how little MM needs to actually care about the class tree compared to BM and Surv

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and just how much survival needs to put into the top/middle tiers of their spec tree just to maintain the spec as it is on live

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they just... dont get anything new without major sacrifice

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 5:35 AM

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;-;

uncut vault Jul 9, 2022, 5:37 AM

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this is the tree I have to go to if I want to play the same spec as I do on live, and I won't actually to play the same spec as I do right now until level 70

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 5:50 AM

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IMO

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Survival has WAY

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too many 3 rank talents

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that is why it feels so small compared to everyone elses

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like,

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there are 6 in your build alone

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18 of your talent points go into 6 individual talents

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That AREn"T even that interesting

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like I get that they don't want you to get everything at once

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but honestly survival has way too little

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also

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YOU CAn"T EVEN PICK UP THE TALEMT THAT Synergizes with Killshot reducing Widfire bomb CD. and that ITSELF is a 3 rank talent. it's insane

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that's insanely dumb

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a lot of these should just be straight up 2 or rank talents

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that would free up at least 6 points

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LIterally just look at the shadow tree and sort of copy from them. they don't have a ton of insanely miniscule 3 rankers

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 5:55 AM

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uncut vault

TLDR: I really hope they consider dimisnihing the sheer amount of 2 rank talents Survival has. as they just aren'y fun

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and it does make you feel gimped

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most other classes can at least get to 2 of their final rows

uncut vault Jul 9, 2022, 5:58 AM

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a lot of them arent even interesting either

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like, "increase pet damage by 5/10%" and "increase crit damage by 2/4/6%"

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if thyere going to be that filler at least just make them one rank

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 6:05 AM

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Exactly!

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like they're just plain boring

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all the other classes don't hav nearly as many of those

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 6:07 AM

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so it fits perfectly for the hunter fantasy

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xd

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I am ofc joking^^

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 6:12 AM

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Lmao

dense plover Jul 9, 2022, 6:29 AM

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i think we are going to see a LOT of talent iteration pretty rapidly

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because a lot of feedback is going to be about how 3 rank talents feel bad

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 6:30 AM

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yea I think it's gonna go well with feedback this time

dense plover Jul 9, 2022, 6:30 AM

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and i think we are going to see them probably change all of those 3 rank talents to 2

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and i imagine we will see new talents as well

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remember, theres no reason they cant add more to the tree if they change 3 ranks to 2 and now you have free points

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especially if people really want some old talents back

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 6:38 AM

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yeah I'm not complaining too much but criticism

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something that peopel think I can't dish out

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kek

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 6:38 AM

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dense plover and i think we are going to see them probably change all of those 3 rank talents...

i hope sooo

dense plover Jul 9, 2022, 6:41 AM

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i think its very likely with how much people hate them

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"we want every talent to feel impactful" - adds middle talents that literally dont feel impactful since they only unlock another rank of the same talent

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the other option would be changing 3 rank talents so you only need 2 ranks in them to move past them, so that the 3rd rank is optional

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but at that point they may as well remove the 3rd rank imo

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 6:44 AM

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agree

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 6:58 AM

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indeed

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 6:58 AM

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cunning fossil yeah I'm not complaining too much but criticism

also this is something that we should do, you know valuable feedback on things

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least imo

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cause it isnt the crybaby "everything is shit" reply

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 7:00 AM

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Yelp and gamer review culture kinda slaughtered the concept of constructive criticism

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But we can try

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 7:01 AM

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yup

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 7:03 AM

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Try we can

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also how do we put this out there? Respond on forums?

strange falcon Jul 9, 2022, 7:36 AM

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cunning fossil that's insanely dumb

Talents bad pog

strange falcon Jul 9, 2022, 7:39 AM

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cunning fossil also how do we put this out there? Respond on forums?

The only forums they read are the US ones, and even that they read rarely, you'd have more luck tagging on them on twitter, funnily enough

deep pawn Jul 9, 2022, 7:42 AM

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wowhead says thursday

dense plover Jul 9, 2022, 7:45 AM

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thats probably not true

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why would they push so hard today if they were waiting until thursday

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my bet is monday or tuesday

plain violet Jul 9, 2022, 8:13 AM

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Must admit I am confused by the hunter talent tree.

languid yoke Jul 9, 2022, 8:37 AM

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I'm wondering what the lack of choice nodes in all rogue trees means :3c

strange falcon Jul 9, 2022, 8:47 AM

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languid yoke I'm wondering what the lack of choice nodes in all rogue trees means :3c

they couldnt come up with any choices is the fastest answer, but im sure people in here would say "they're still work in progress"

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 9:08 AM

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languid yoke I'm wondering what the lack of choice nodes in all rogue trees means :3c

might just be the rogue designers philosophy

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where because rogue fantasy is all about a loadout in a way

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picking all your tricks

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they decided to go wide and not use choice nodes

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 10:56 AM

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there's a cool BM execute build

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that dips in to a lot of the zoo stuff

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outlaw gets 2 talents that increase attack range

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lol

coarse quail Jul 9, 2022, 11:19 AM

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Idk if this the right place to ask,so id not,i will delete.
Is wow gonna make combination of the regular war mode with the normal mode of pvp?

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 11:20 AM

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War Mode is the PvP mode, so not sure what you mean by that

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 11:41 AM

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coarse quail Idk if this the right place to ask,so id not,i will delete. Is wow gonna make c...

no idea what you mean by this

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there is no regular war mode or normal mode of PvP

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war mode is just a thing that enables world PvP and gives you extra rewards for it, and all other PvP is instanced content, so they can't overlap by design

plain violet Jul 9, 2022, 12:09 PM

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Outlaw will get to attack from 10yrs ? Let me see..

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Where did you see for the attack range?

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I see the one when blade furry is active..

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 1:14 PM

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plain violet I see the one when blade furry is active..

other one is in the class tree

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middle second third area around there

plain violet Jul 9, 2022, 1:15 PM

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I see it. That's.. really strong.

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 1:15 PM

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they should scale the weapon models according to your attack range

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because funny

coarse quail Jul 9, 2022, 1:31 PM

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tepid fiber War Mode is the PvP mode, so not sure what you mean by that

I mean that they will combine it as one.

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U knos,make someone with pvp on the dmae as ear mode on.

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 1:31 PM

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rain cave war mode is just a thing that enables world PvP and gives you extra rewards for ...

☝️

coarse quail Jul 9, 2022, 1:31 PM

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I understand.

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 1:32 PM

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strange falcon Talents bad pog

Not even close to what I said m8

strange falcon Jul 9, 2022, 1:32 PM

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i was responding, not quoting what you said m8

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however, i've been told from reliable sources that "the rogue and Dk tree is designed by someone directly connected to the top players and the other ones aren't. Scarrizard is the name of the guy he literally had dinner with Max from Limit last night. That's not happeneing across the board."

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though i didnt ask for a source

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 1:34 PM

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coarse quail I mean that they will combine it as one.

I'm not sure what there is to combine, since PvP mode is war mode

coarse quail Jul 9, 2022, 1:35 PM

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tepid fiber I'm not sure what there is to combine, since PvP mode *is* war mode

Oh,okay.

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Idk, I thought about the population on any sedver,u know,to...not make to have x population at war mode and z in pvp,but to have them together as one.

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 1:37 PM

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War Mode will shard you into maps that are populated by other people in war mode, even from other realms

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Blending people in war mode and outside of war mode wouldn't work, because war mode also enables pvp stats and pvp talents, and that wouldn't be fair to people who aren't flagged or set up for pvp

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 2:46 PM

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@cunning fossil

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3 covenant abilities at once rogue

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lmao

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 2:46 PM

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Lmao wait what's the 3rd?

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 2:47 PM

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flagellation, sepsis and echoing reprimand

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 2:47 PM

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Wait only Subtley get Flaggelation?

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Dang that sucks buuut

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Now that I can build my Subtlety differently

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Maybe I can do a different build

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If it is possible to be less stealth reliant or something

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 2:49 PM

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there's potential for a really bursty build with echoing reprimand and flagellation though

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since echoing means you can use less combo points as if they are more

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also sepsis does nature damage and one of sub's talents makes your nature damage shadow

opaque pewter Jul 9, 2022, 3:41 PM

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Remember that half of the reason the tree is designed is to improve the level up experience to have a skill point to spend on the tree when leveling up, so removing nodes plays against it a bit

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 3:48 PM

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Fair but un general 3 rangers suck

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Especially if there are TONS of them in a row

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You want something new

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Like just imagine it's 3 levels where u just choose the same thing thruce

opaque pewter Jul 9, 2022, 3:56 PM

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If you want to look at it in another way, if everything is special, nothing is special lol.
I get what you mean, but I'd probably do the same given that we always have limited resources. However, to make it appear less stagnant, we could probably grow the tree to be one single path to a node down for those multi point nodes to appear that we're traversing continuously. That would make a pretty tall tree that may need to be scrolled down

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 4:02 PM

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opaque pewter If you want to look at it in another way, if everything is special, nothing is s...

Personally I would just remove some of the 3 rank stuff and make them 2 rank

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Maybe joy ALL of them

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But enough to give us just a 3-4 more points to put anywhere else

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Like right now just to play SV as u have it RN, you have to put all of your points into it. You get 0 new toys

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Which honestly kind of sucks

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Like just look at the shadow or Disc priest trees

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Those are way better made, and much more unique

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SV has at least 8 3 rank talents across the entire tree

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The others have like 4 or 5

opaque pewter Jul 9, 2022, 4:07 PM

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I don't know about all specs, but the way I can explain what's happening is that not all specs have a core (player perceived or otherwise) number of abilities that are equal. So the classes that used to have a lot of buttons will feel that they have less leeway than the simple 5 button classes

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 4:08 PM

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I do feel like the rogue trees are too separated in some ways

opaque pewter Jul 9, 2022, 4:08 PM

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Since now everyone follow the same core rule of 70 points, all used to get abilities

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 4:08 PM

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they very much follow the trident style of tree

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 4:14 PM

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rain cave they very much follow the trident style of tree

To be fair I kind of like the apprach

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You can reliable get to 2 of the last tier of talwnts

coarse quail Jul 9, 2022, 4:31 PM

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tepid fiber Blending people in war mode and outside of war mode wouldn't work, because war m...

Thanks men for the information,helped me🙂

ember blaze Jul 9, 2022, 5:10 PM

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with alpha around the corner, what does it mean for the classes that haven't been revealed yet? 🤔

ivory meadow Jul 9, 2022, 5:11 PM

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ember blaze with alpha around the corner, what does it mean for the classes that haven't bee...

it just means they'll get revealed through the course of alpha as usual

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as development continues, more talent previews will be released and then added to builds

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 5:12 PM

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ember blaze with alpha around the corner, what does it mean for the classes that haven't bee...

we didn't have all classes available at the start of shadowlands alpha did we?

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with the trees we have now, it kind of fills all the at a glance niches in the game

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we have physical damage dealers, both melee, tank and ranged, triple DPS classes (melee and ranged), healer/dps caster classes, plate, leather, cloth, mail, full hybrid with druid

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so if they went live with the current classes they'd be covering a lot more of the design space in terms of testing than if they went live with only say, warrior, paladin, DK, mage and warlock

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or somesuch

ember blaze Jul 9, 2022, 6:14 PM

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I hope holy paladin has something leaning into glimmer focus 🤔

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 7:12 PM

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Fair. I kind of hope holy paladin gets a dps build.

Mistweaver too

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:12 PM

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I don't even really play paladin but I hope that the venthyr ability is gone

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because I didn't like that really

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 7:13 PM

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Whaaaah

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I really liked it personally

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It just looks cool

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I could see it being converted to a holy spell and basically being MEGA concecration

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:13 PM

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I think it fell through on the fantasy tbh

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venthyr paladin is kind of

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 7:14 PM

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Like call it Sanctify

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:14 PM

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a sin

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 7:14 PM

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Kek

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:14 PM

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covenants should have been 1 of 2

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instead of choosing 1 of 4

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and then each class gets a different 2 to choose from

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less design time and means you actually have more reason to make more characters

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like legion class campaign

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 7:14 PM

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Sounds pretty limiting imo but I get you

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:14 PM

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and each covenant ability is more deep

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if anything it's freeing

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since they don't have to worry about thinking of a warlock ability for nightfae

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 7:15 PM

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Well mathematically and Sim wise? Probaky

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But flavor wise?

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:15 PM

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no I mean flavour wise

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it's freeing

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because it's like

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a limitation that in reality opens up the design avenues for each ability

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because they aren't being constrained by the other abilities

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 7:15 PM

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But if you wanted to be a Necrolord Priest and it isn't one of your 2 choices, you feel bad

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Because you wanna be a bony priest for a bit

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:16 PM

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yeah but at the same time

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kyrian shaman

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what the fuck are the designers supposed to do with that

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in terms of flavour

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shaman is a tough one regardless for this xpac

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 7:17 PM

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Kyrian shaman I really like honestly

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So I mean :/

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:17 PM

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but kyrian shaman is flavour wise very distant

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 7:17 PM

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Again to each their own

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:17 PM

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kyrian shamans ability is kind of fine

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because it's just set it and forget it

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more numbers

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even if it is jank

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but it has 0 interaction

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and flavour wise shamans don't feel at place in kyrian land

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because shamans have all their ancestral spirit stuff and that lore is kind of at odds with the kyrians anyway

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 7:18 PM

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Again, I getcha. I just like.it personally.

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:18 PM

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and ofc there's night fae warlock/DK

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venthyr paladin

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necrolord monk

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necrolord druid

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etc

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where the covenant fantasy is at odds with some of the classes core themes

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 7:19 PM

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Necrolord Druid makes sense

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:19 PM

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eeeh

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 7:20 PM

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If you want to go towards the "Rotting Druid" idea

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:20 PM

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yeah but then we only get 1 ability

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I get the idea but

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having 1 ability doesn't complete the fantasy

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 7:20 PM

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Venthyr Paladin is just being a Retribution Paladin that is a bit more

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Uhm

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Morally ambiguous

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Lol

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:21 PM

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I mean the venthyr literally burn at the light

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their whole history is related to being at odds with the light

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yet a paladin walks in and they're like

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"nice very cool"

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 7:21 PM

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I get what you mean

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Entire SL thing is scuffed

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:22 PM

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this system is why my bet for DF was actually going to be restricted dragonflight covenants

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the bet was wrong

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but

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I was imagining like mages can choose blue or bronze

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warriors red or black

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DK blue or black

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priest bronze or red

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druid red or green

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etc

cunning fossil Jul 9, 2022, 7:24 PM

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Right rigght

pulsar minnow Jul 9, 2022, 7:26 PM

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I really wanted to like Shadowlands, and I held out hope for so long that the expansion could be good but after the Sanctum of Domination ending I just gave up

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The jailer had so much potential to be a good villain but at every single turn the writers just made his character worse and worse

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The covenants had potential to be cool, but they clashed so hard with class identity that the end product was just that Shadowlands didn’t feel like WoW.

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At the very least I do hope Blizz tries to replicate the good parts of covenants in DF with the reputations. As Saint said, it could be cool if Warriors could get some unique cosmetic from the Black or Red Dragonflights, or Druids could get something from the green.

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Maybe that’s more of a mage tower/challenge kinda thing though

dense plover Jul 9, 2022, 7:39 PM

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pulsar minnow The jailer had so much potential to be a good villain but at every single turn t...

thats because they never bothered to give him any motivation for why he hated the other covenant leaders or why he wanted to break free

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they never explained the backstory of the arbiter

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or why the jailer was the arbiter? and because the jailer?

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they decided to ignore the character making the entire story irrelevant as a result

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it wasnt just bad story telling it was the worst villain in wow history - which is damning because thats the thing theyve always been good at - writing a big bad

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hell, they didnt even give him a monologue

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its like they saw it failing and decided to back out on having him effect existing story threads in order to save them for later

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:41 PM

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he just kind of ran around doing his thing

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taking W's then leaving

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ignoring us until the end pretty much

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 7:44 PM

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dense plover they never explained the backstory of the arbiter

We must have played different games, because they definitely explained how and why they made her after imprisoning Zovaal

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:44 PM

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I think it's moreso that he wasn't an active role in his own backstory

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like we just heard about him from before

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 7:45 PM

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And Zovaal's crime was rebellion and attempting to alter the creations and designs of the First Ones. He was just the Eternal One who was designed to be arbiter--nobody is questioning why the Primus was the Primus

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:45 PM

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but it's never explained beyond a simple "oh that was what was before but now it's this"

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there is a certain element of the jailer that I do like though even if it kind of made his story suffer

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that being his sole mindedness and just not caring about us

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even if it was just a thanos ripoff in a ways

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just portalling everywhere collecting things and easily disarming anyone in the way

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also back onto the talent trees, they said in this tweet
https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1545498104430034952

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft)

Long-range or up close, we've got you covered.

Check out an early preview of two more talent trees coming to Dragonflight. This week features the Hunter and Rogue classes.

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"this week features hunter and rogue"

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implying they're aiming for weekly releases now?

dense plover Jul 9, 2022, 7:53 PM

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tepid fiber We must have played different games, because they definitely explained how and w...

im more talking about how they waited 2 patches to explain ANY motivation

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so instead of being mysterious it was just nonsensical

strange falcon Jul 9, 2022, 7:54 PM

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dense plover im more talking about how they waited 2 patches to explain ANY motivation

They waited a year and a half to make a book come out(not even ingame)
To give his motivations

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 7:55 PM

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dense plover im more talking about how they waited 2 patches to explain ANY motivation

Honestly, I don't think it's every big bad's responsibility to give us exposition especially when they see us as irrelevant ants. Yeah, sure, we want to know more, but we don't always need to

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Sometimes someone wants to set us up the bomb just because they want our base to belong to them

pulsar minnow Jul 9, 2022, 7:56 PM

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Yeah but for the sake of a good story it would probably be best to tell the players what the heck is going on

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:56 PM

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I mean it doesn't even have to be him

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we had to find a way around his domination magic after he left torghast

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and all those soul gems are still in there from frostmourne

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as well as freeing the primus

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but no all we needed was the shiny uncommon looking ass helmet to power us up and not even be used in the fight

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instead of a questline of us trying to find evidence and uncovering the past about him to help us fight him now

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 7:57 PM

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Denathrius is still out and about, and he could have been gaslighting Zovaal since he was the Arbiter--we don't know

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 7:57 PM

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I mean my take is that domination magic makes you worse as a person, see sylvanas, anduin, arthas, etc

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they literally say it feels like part of you is gone

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so zovaal being a good guy originally wouldn't be out of the question

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and then being imprisoned made him evil

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because domination removed his empathy/conscience

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emotions

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and just like arthas, he gets a moment of clarity when he dies

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when the grip goes away

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and we realize his motivation might have actually been good

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just corrupted

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 7:59 PM

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It could go a lot of ways, but I feel like gamer opinions are gonna go full "FIRE BAD, SHADOWLANDS BAD, BLIZZ BAAAAD" at the drop of the hat whether or not they're given the information or not

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https://tenor.com/view/young-frankenstein-thumb-fire-wahh-crying-gif-15427936

Tenor

pulsar minnow Jul 9, 2022, 8:00 PM

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The idea I kinda had and hoped they had gone for is Zovaal losing his sanity out of loneliness. They could’ve gone more into “The Purpose” and explained how perhaps the First Ones made them, and then left. Zovaal’s only purpose was to judge souls by seeing their lives while never giving having a life of his own.
Then, out of desperation goes to the other covenants to use their keys and unlock the gate into Zereth Mortis to find out where the First Ones had gone.

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:01 PM

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I mean we actually ended up doing part of zovaals original intent it appears

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since we've removed the stigma surrounding not following 'the purpose'

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broken the stale culture of the shadowlands

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 8:01 PM

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We did make the covenants better with our involvement

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:02 PM

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yes

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namely the kyrian as a prime example

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 8:02 PM

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Although, his goal was more the domination and reordering of everything

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:02 PM

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I beg to differ

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 8:02 PM

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Not really "fixing it" as much as "dominating it"

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:02 PM

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his goal became to dominate after he was dominated himself

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 8:02 PM

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rain cave I beg to differ

You can, but his direct statements conflict

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:02 PM

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his post domination/jailed self

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and as we know domination magic makes you quirky

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 8:03 PM

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rain cave his goal became to dominate after he was dominated himself

You're assuming he was dominated, he was just chained using domination magic

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:03 PM

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his original intent was a cosmos united

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it's still domination magic to me

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he's literally hollow

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why would he want to dominate things at first if he just wanted a cosmos united

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he was begging them to listen to him

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but they cast him down

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 8:04 PM

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You're assuming a lot of things that didn't happen on-screen

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:04 PM

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and over millenia of being imprisoned by magic known to sap emotion he became bitter and then wanted to dominate stuff himself

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not really

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 8:04 PM

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Alright

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:04 PM

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I'm going off of everything we've seen

tepid fiber Jul 9, 2022, 8:04 PM

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Nvm then you do you queen

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:04 PM

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what part of this is assumption

pulsar minnow Jul 9, 2022, 8:06 PM

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This is just kinda the problem with Shadowlands in general. There’s so much unexplained stuff going on that we just have to scrap together some semblance of a cohesive narrative

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:06 PM

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facts we know:
-Domination magic saps emotion in some form, and makes people worse
-He wanted a cosmos united
-He was asking his ''siblings' to listen to him, begging

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the only time the jailer is humanized, was at his death during a flashback to pre domination

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when he died he showed the most emotion, just like arthas's death

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coming back to their senses as domination leaves their mind

pulsar minnow Jul 9, 2022, 8:07 PM

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To be fair.. being locked in a prison for millennia by your own family would probably make you a pretty bitter person domination or not

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:07 PM

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well yeah that too

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but I do wonder why the domination magic saps emotion, if they'll delve into that

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since primus made it

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:08 PM

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they won't unfortunately

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:08 PM

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and why it appears to leave upon death

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or close to death

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:08 PM

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l think blizz put less thought into the story than you do atm^^;

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:08 PM

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well to me if they want to do cosmological story, they need to have a big whiteboard room and pages explaining how everything should work behind the scenes even if we don't know

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so I just want to try fill in the gaps we don't know hoping I'm right

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:09 PM

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in danger of sounding like Dafire, they just wanted big moments cashing off of tying him to the beloved stories of arthas etc

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since they saw SL crashing, plus what was going on in the company with some people, they just literally called it "the end of this book"

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and now we are moving on

pulsar minnow Jul 9, 2022, 8:10 PM

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They absolutely cut one more patch of SL and skipped straight to the end

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The Jailer waited billions of years, got two seconds of freedom, and was then slapped down by the players

strange falcon Jul 9, 2022, 8:10 PM

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crimson jasper in danger of sounding like Dafire, they just wanted big moments cashing off of t...

Now im becoming the boogeyman of sounding negative 👀

pulsar minnow Jul 9, 2022, 8:11 PM

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At the very least, Dragonflight should be a fresh start for the story. Hopefully.

strange falcon Jul 9, 2022, 8:11 PM

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crimson jasper in danger of sounding like Dafire, they just wanted big moments cashing off of t...

I think tying to arthas only angered people, not anything else

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:11 PM

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strange falcon I think tying to arthas only angered people, not anything else

oh absolutely but they thought it would get people hype

pulsar minnow Jul 9, 2022, 8:12 PM

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“Hey guys look! Arthas! Jk he still dead dead”

strange falcon Jul 9, 2022, 8:12 PM

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pulsar minnow The Jailer waited billions of years, got two seconds of freedom, and was then sl...

How he died was also very ridiculous, he just turned into a broken bionicle

Not to say that we needed the titans help to beat argus, but we just beat the jailer with sticks and stones

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:12 PM

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if anything hopefully the remnants of the arthas story will influence jaina and how she interacts with kalec in DF

strange falcon Jul 9, 2022, 8:12 PM

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The power scaling is not a thing that exists anymore

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:13 PM

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since she'd probably be understandably shook by her experience

strange falcon Jul 9, 2022, 8:14 PM

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rain cave since she'd probably be understandably shook by her experience

The cinematic with arthas was so disrespectful that sylvanas got to monologue about how he was so bad and she was completely pure and morally superior,
And everyone else didnt even get a word in

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Not jaina, not uther, only sylvanas

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:14 PM

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yeah

pulsar minnow Jul 9, 2022, 8:14 PM

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I’m so glad she’s not in DF

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knocks on wood

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:14 PM

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pulsar minnow I’m so glad she’s not in DF

🗞️

strange falcon Jul 9, 2022, 8:15 PM

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pulsar minnow I’m so glad she’s not in DF

Dont worry, they dont need her to ruin the lore of dragonflights,
Like they retconned 20years of lore including all chronicle books into being not only unreliable to irrelevant but objectively worse

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Purely by the jailers existence

pulsar minnow Jul 9, 2022, 8:16 PM

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Watch them retcon the Tuskarr into being the first ones

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“The clues were there all along!”

strange falcon Jul 9, 2022, 8:16 PM

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Anything can happen with Mr Danuser at the head

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:17 PM

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strange falcon The power scaling is not a thing that exists anymore

sry work, l think we won cause "our connection to azeroth

pulsar minnow Jul 9, 2022, 8:17 PM

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I’m still very curious who the heck is going to be the villain of DF. I mean Murozond could work, maybe some sort of elemental reincarnation of Galakrond?

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:18 PM

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in the fight we got super juiced so

pulsar minnow Jul 9, 2022, 8:18 PM

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crimson jasper sry work, l think we won cause "our connection to azeroth

I’m so sick of being a champion of Azeroth

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:18 PM

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anyways Jailer sucks

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:18 PM

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pulsar minnow I’m so sick of being a champion of Azeroth

it's not bad on its own and can be done well

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example ff14

trail knot Jul 9, 2022, 8:18 PM

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||sylvanas will return in last patch of dragonflight to save us from galakrond and becomes a dragon||

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:18 PM

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but we'd actually need to be relevant

strange falcon Jul 9, 2022, 8:18 PM

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crimson jasper in the fight we got super juiced so

There is no visual indication of this, nor is it mentioned anywhere, outside of maybe 1 text
It is the most tenuos explanation

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:19 PM

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pulsar minnow I’m still very curious who the heck is going to be the villain of DF. I mean Mur...

elementals are 1st tier, but they are followers of galakrond

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but also, the elements aren't just fire, air, earth, water, etc

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there is also the spirit element

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:19 PM

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strange falcon There is no visual indication of this, nor is it mentioned anywhere, outside of ...

iirc it happens during the fight and he was clearly surprised

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tho my "Jailer lore" isn't quite accurate

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:19 PM

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galakrond was known for his weird relation to undeath

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and eating things

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:19 PM

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cause tbh idc, l didnt like it one bit

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so we might as well beat him with a unicorn shitting rainbows

strange falcon Jul 9, 2022, 8:20 PM

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crimson jasper example ff14

When people say ",uuuhh but the jailer was only in the game for 1 expac"
They get slapped with some shadowbringers villains that were around for 1 patch only and were still more interesting and nuanced than the jailer

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:20 PM

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if galakrond was the primal incarnate of spirit, and azeroth in canon apparently absorbed too much spirit energy hence why the elements were always out of balance

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:20 PM

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strange falcon When people say ",uuuhh but the jailer was only in the game for 1 expac" They ge...

p much

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:20 PM

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that could be an interesting plot I suppose

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:20 PM

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anyways

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primal incarnates

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and villains of df

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:20 PM

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also idk how I feel about murozond being big bad

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:20 PM

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l like the ideas they hint at so far

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:20 PM

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he doesn't 'feel' like a big bad in some ways

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:21 PM

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Also infinite flight and as you say galakrond

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:21 PM

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also if he was the big bad to me that implies some setup into the next xpansion because of murozond, which could be light invasion but

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:21 PM

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l dont think he'll be big bad

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:21 PM

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infinite dragon flight are related to the old gods or more directly the void

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:21 PM

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yea thats what I was thinking of it leading to

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:22 PM

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as bronze magic seems to be tied to the light as well

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:22 PM

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making muru more of a tool than big bad

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:22 PM

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I will say

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1 thing I am all for

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:22 PM

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if we get Jailer 2.0 but void l will pop a vein tho

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:22 PM

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is if light does invade

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yrel

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etc

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they wouldn't just appear on azeroth, they would pop out on draenor, outland

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revamp outland

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holyfire peninsula

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:23 PM

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yea that was atleast setup, forces of "insert cosmology chart" not being just good or bad

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:23 PM

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outland done in HD and with even more alien forces intermingling with it would be crazy

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:24 PM

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guess we'll see Illidan again then, he won't be happy

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xd

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:24 PM

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shattrath having to throw out its naaru

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:24 PM

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Also

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:24 PM

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maybe bring locus walker back in

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to fight back the light

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:24 PM

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they mentioned Khadgar as a returning main chara

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what could his deal be

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:24 PM

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he appears to be getting old

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:25 PM

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he IS old xd

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:25 PM

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actually he isn't that old

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he was magically aged

pulsar minnow Jul 9, 2022, 8:25 PM

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He had that really weird dialogue with Jaina though right

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:25 PM

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yeah

pulsar minnow Jul 9, 2022, 8:25 PM

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Like sort of implying he was dying

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:25 PM

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it sounded like he thought he was going to die soon

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:25 PM

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oh

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:25 PM

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time works different in places like the twisting nether too

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:25 PM

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guess l missed that

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:25 PM

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so some were saying maybe he's been going around the cosmos

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:25 PM

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Man l am rusty on lore stuff

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:25 PM

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peering where he shouldn't

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like medivh's echos were doing

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:26 PM

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rain cave peering where he shouldn't

Jainas bedroom?

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:26 PM

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and he's seen something he shouldn't have and it's taken a toll on him

pulsar minnow Jul 9, 2022, 8:26 PM

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I wonder if maybe he might drive Nozdormu to become Murozond

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:26 PM

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idk how that'll work

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I'm thinking that blood elf might be part of it

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because it's such a perfect on paper setup for a time travel plot like that

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where you know somethings coming, expecting it to be big and obvious

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but at the last second some tiny detail that's been there for ages is the cause

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:27 PM

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ah yea the children's week one

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that seemed interesting to me

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:27 PM

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like noz knows he will become murozond basically

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maybe he tries a contingency plan

pulsar minnow Jul 9, 2022, 8:27 PM

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There’s also the Deaths of Chromie

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:27 PM

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gives his power to a successor

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to try stop it

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:28 PM

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pulsar minnow There’s also the Deaths of Chromie

yes

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it was masterminded by a dreadlord

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so good potential there

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to be expanded

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but yeah

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nozdormu wants to pass his bronze aspect status to chromie

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:28 PM

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tbh only thing l wanna see again from SL is Denathrius

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:28 PM

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but at the last second, that belf does something

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fucks things up

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and nozdormu goes mad

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becomes murozond

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:28 PM

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so dreadlords are fine

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:28 PM

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it's funny they're keeping him on

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the new HS expansion is about him

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probably so they can give him something to do while they figure out when to get him off the shelf

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but yeah deaths of chromie was tied to dragonflight shrines

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and had a dreadlord

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:30 PM

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l have yet to play that

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saving it for my derg

rain cave Jul 9, 2022, 8:30 PM

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and the deaths of chromie places you go

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mount hyjal, to fight elementals
culling of stratholme, where death and dreadlords were
well of eternity, where the sundering happened and caused the dragon isles to be hidden
andorhal, a place known for faction fighting and scourge influence

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so there's definetly some lore they could pull to link the shadowlands dreadlord plot to dragonflight lore

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even more than the fact it was plotted by a dreadlord and involves a dragon

crimson jasper Jul 9, 2022, 8:35 PM

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l'd guess that's later patches if so

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and main problems gonna really focus strictly on the dragons and dragon isles

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to keep things simple

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l hope l get alpha key tho

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l wanna test the new stuff

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oh yea not gonna happen

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l am aware, it's still nice to think about tho

sharp fjord Jul 9, 2022, 9:14 PM

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Not sure if this is where to post but thought those familiar with PTR might be able to help me out. I wanted to test out some of the new dungeons for next season on the ptr. I had read you would be able to pick the key and level to test whatever you want. But, when I copied my character over she had the same key as she has in the live game. I copied a level 60 that had no key and there was still no option to get a key. Was just hoping someone might know how that works on ptr. Thanks for any help. 🙂

dense plover Jul 9, 2022, 10:02 PM

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sharp fjord Not sure if this is where to post but thought those familiar with PTR might be a...

pretty sure none of that is currently enabled

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if it is, there should be an npc or two in oribos near the great vault who can give you keys and such

sharp fjord Jul 9, 2022, 10:02 PM

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The guy at the vault was only able to lower the key that came with me.

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Maybe I’m ahead of things.

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I had seen it in a video where they were going over one of the new dungeons coming. Maybe I misunderstood.

uncut vault Jul 10, 2022, 8:54 AM

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tepid fiber Honestly, I don't think it's *every* big bad's responsibility to give us exposit...

I’m this case we definitely did, especially since we spent the entire xpac partying with the people who literally imprisoned him lol

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And not only that, in the necrolord campaign the PC literally picks up a book about the Jailer’s trial

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And we just don’t read it lol

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The information about the Jailer was kept from us solely for the sake of a reveal, not due to any logical plot reason

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We should have learned the truth about the maw basically the moment we got to Kyrestia and convinced her of the threat

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The eternal ones and Bolvar just had to hold the idiot ball all xpac instead, so that the Jailer could seem smart by proxy

strange falcon Jul 10, 2022, 10:01 AM

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uncut vault The eternal ones and Bolvar just had to hold the idiot ball all xpac instead, so...

"the shadowlands story in a nutshell" is another great video by captaingrim that evidences the faults of the story, only 5mins long too!

nocturne totem Jul 10, 2022, 1:59 PM

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It might not be the big bad character's responsibility to give us exposition or some story reasoning but it definitely is Blizzard the real world company's.

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I guess they can really do whatever they want since it is their game 🤷

strange falcon Jul 10, 2022, 2:11 PM

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nocturne totem I guess they can really do whatever they want since it is their game 🤷

and we can do whatever we want as well, since its our money

uncut vault Jul 10, 2022, 2:51 PM

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I mean yeah, they can do whatever they want, and people can in turn call it out as fundamentally bad storytelling lol

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Half of BfA and Shadowlands' issues arent even the stories themselves, it's how colossally bad the stories are actually delivered to the audience

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a story like Shadowlands could turn out fine if it wasnt so disjointed and rushed

nocturne totem Jul 10, 2022, 2:52 PM

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I thought they mistepped by taking us into the afterlife period

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The power creep of story elements is just too high

uncut vault Jul 10, 2022, 3:14 PM

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I think the premises of both BfA and Shadowlands are inherently flawed and shouldn't have happened t o begin with, but you can make a flawed premise work so long as you deliver it in a satisfying and cohesive manner

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an audience member can walk away from it thinking "I dont like that we did this, but I understand why for the greater narrative", which isnt something I really feel about either expansion

strange falcon Jul 10, 2022, 3:18 PM

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or "i dont like that we did this, but it was really fokin cool in the end" or "it was more interesting than what i had in mind" etc etc

ember blaze Jul 11, 2022, 5:29 AM

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new trees this week murloc

cunning fossil Jul 11, 2022, 5:41 AM

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Nani

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Excited

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Ngl kinda disappint by hunter a little bit. But if they could just lower the amount kf 3 rank talents we had that'd be great

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I guess it is easier to make stuff for hybrid classes since they want to do other things than just damage

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But like

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At least give us some different play styles :(

ivory meadow Jul 11, 2022, 12:58 PM

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https://twitter.com/Stiven_SRB/status/1546466081442865153?s=20&t=uJbWbbFiCXcDkgDEUsagiA

Stiven (@Stiven_SRB)

Ok, all is ready for datamining, now just waiting for this to popup.

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let's hope it's today

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 2:29 PM

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cunning fossil At least give us some different play styles :(

i was just looking into a MM pet build

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where you take the kill command last talent on the left

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in class tree

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if that works as a focus generator then it could be interesting

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or if it doesn't cost any focus

trail knot Jul 11, 2022, 2:38 PM

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maybe new talents today

plain violet Jul 11, 2022, 2:49 PM

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rain cave if that works as a focus generator then it could be interesting

That could be a interesting hybrid build.

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Sharpshooter but still with a pet.

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The pet survival one could be interesting too (as I am not too fond of the bomb and mechanic part of survival)

cunning fossil Jul 11, 2022, 2:52 PM

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Ayo

cunning fossil Jul 11, 2022, 2:52 PM

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rain cave i was just looking into a MM pet build

Ooh interesting

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 2:56 PM

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plain violet That could be a interesting hybrid build.

yeah especially since you can make MM very focused on killshot/aimed shot and not focus on rapid fire much at all

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and then you'd get your pet and kill command to do filler damage

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depends on how it all works ingame but

cunning fossil Jul 11, 2022, 2:58 PM

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That's interesting

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Might even try that

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If Killcommand restores focus, it could be very fun

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I 've been trying to get a built that doesn't even have rapid fire on bars

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To see how it feels

plain violet Jul 11, 2022, 3:16 PM

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rain cave yeah especially since you can make MM very focused on killshot/aimed shot and no...

Yes, good flexibility to allow multiple way to play the same spec is really nice.

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 3:17 PM

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plain violet Yes, good flexibility to allow multiple way to play the same spec is really nice...

I'm hoping that shaman will be one of the ultimate versions of this

cunning fossil Jul 11, 2022, 3:18 PM

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Support sDPS in Shammy real??

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It will be for me

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cowards

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 3:19 PM

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wonder if we'll see any of the covenant abilities in the shaman trees

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since I feel they never really became core parts of their specs

cosmic beacon Jul 11, 2022, 3:20 PM

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Prayge for elemental blast to be available to resto

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Such a dope ability

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Or improved chain lighting like ele has

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 3:20 PM

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that actually might happen

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since elemental blast is available to enhance and ele

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it might be in the class tree

cosmic beacon Jul 11, 2022, 3:20 PM

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They gotta give us some aoe

tepid fiber Jul 11, 2022, 3:20 PM

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Bring back totem mastery pls

cosmic beacon Jul 11, 2022, 3:20 PM

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If we don’t have vesper or golem

tepid fiber Jul 11, 2022, 3:21 PM

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Got, I loved totem mastery

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 3:21 PM

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I'm still praying for 2h enhance

tepid fiber Jul 11, 2022, 3:21 PM

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Was so annoyed when it got cut

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 3:21 PM

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in the same way 2h frost exists

cosmic beacon Jul 11, 2022, 3:21 PM

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2h enhance would be dope

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Let u apply both enchants to it

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 3:21 PM

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make it baseline then have a talent that makes the build shine

cosmic beacon Jul 11, 2022, 3:21 PM

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Pov classic enhance sham one tapping with windfury sulfuras

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 3:21 PM

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I mean they could even do the thing of only allowing 1 enchant to it but it doubles that ones effectivness

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so if you wanted you could either do a 2H windfury proc build for auto attacks

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or a 2H fire damage sulfuras proc idea build

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hitting hard or hitting loads

cosmic beacon Jul 11, 2022, 3:22 PM

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I would play ret pala if final verdict was a talent

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Dope animation

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 3:24 PM

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kyrian ability will be for sure in the paladin trees somewhere

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hope the venthyr one isn't though

cosmic beacon Jul 11, 2022, 3:26 PM

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The venth ability could just be a better rank of lights hammer

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So bigger and more damage and healing but not a huge 4 min

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 3:30 PM

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dragonflight when

trail knot Jul 11, 2022, 3:34 PM

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nov 22nd

cunning fossil Jul 11, 2022, 3:35 PM

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never

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KEk

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but seriously alpha this week and it'll probably go similarly to how the WOTLK beta went perhaps>?

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 3:36 PM

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prepatch on nov 22nd MAYBE

tepid fiber Jul 11, 2022, 3:37 PM

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inb4 he goes on about a pre-pre-patch

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 3:37 PM

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who

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axel?

tepid fiber Jul 11, 2022, 3:37 PM

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Axel lmao

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 3:37 PM

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is that something he's done?

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lmao

tepid fiber Jul 11, 2022, 3:37 PM

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Back during Shadowlands pre-patch, yeah

cunning fossil Jul 11, 2022, 3:40 PM

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lmao

trail knot Jul 11, 2022, 3:50 PM

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not pre patch, expansion release

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 3:58 PM

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trail knot not pre patch, expansion release

I doubt it

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but I want to know why you think expac releases nov 22

grim light Jul 11, 2022, 4:01 PM

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Does anyone know where you can get keys on ptr to test m+? Saw some streamers playing keys yesterday

tepid fiber Jul 11, 2022, 4:06 PM

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rain cave but I want to know why you think expac releases nov 22

Especially considering that the shop page still says December 31st

upper pasture Jul 11, 2022, 4:09 PM

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he's going off the OG release of WoW being Nov 23rd and the 22nd is the closest tuesday, while i BELIEVE this is when blizzard wants to do, idk if they will be able to pull it off. i firmly believe they do want this and its the reason why we got the "on or before Dec 31st" date because they didn't want to over promise by setting a firm date in Nov and then having to push it back a month

strange falcon Jul 11, 2022, 4:22 PM

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they also set "before or on dec 31st" for SL and it released nov 23rd

urban spire Jul 11, 2022, 4:37 PM

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yeah but shadowlands initially was going to release earlier

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the first set date was october I think

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and then they pushed it back

ivory meadow Jul 11, 2022, 4:39 PM

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yes

strange falcon Jul 11, 2022, 4:50 PM

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urban spire and then they pushed it back

the point was that SL had a "on or before dec 31st" the entire time

ivory meadow Jul 11, 2022, 5:03 PM

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https://t.co/XRdQ0WnuhD

World of Warcraft

Dragonflight Preview: A Closer Look at the Dracthyr - WoW

The new Dracthyr race provides a variety of customization options including bold horn options, diverse color options, and more. In this preview, we show off more of the available options the Dracthyr form has to offer.

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 5:05 PM

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https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-preview-a-closer-look-at-the-dracthyr-customization-options-327635?webhook

Wowhead

Dragonflight Preview: A Closer Look at the Dracthyr Customization O...

Blizzard has previewed some of the Dracthyr customization options!

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oh

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BUT SRSLY

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OMG

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I CANT WAIT

ivory meadow Jul 11, 2022, 5:06 PM

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right after I just posted it 😅

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 5:07 PM

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SRRY

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TOO EXCITED

trail knot Jul 11, 2022, 5:08 PM

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why they so thin i want to make one that look like this

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 5:08 PM

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THEY ARE ALL SO GORGEOUS

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except that one

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exel is still wanting buff bf dragon

trail knot Jul 11, 2022, 5:11 PM

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lol the comments 'malnourished reptiles'

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this one look cool though

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 5:12 PM

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THE WHITE ONE IS SO COOL AND HTE BRONZE

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IM HAVING AH EART ATACK

uncut vault Jul 11, 2022, 5:20 PM

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pretty much solved all my issues with the dracthyr form just with this lol

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I hope they iterate on the visage forms more but this helps so much

tepid fiber Jul 11, 2022, 5:21 PM

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ofc the male one had to be a belf body 🙄

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 5:24 PM

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ke

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sadcat

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im never gonna use the visage form

tepid fiber Jul 11, 2022, 5:25 PM

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Same

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:25 PM

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the armour looks baller

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even if it is barber shop armour

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 5:25 PM

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sadcat im excited as fuck

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bro

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:25 PM

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because it's bespoke it fits well

uncut vault Jul 11, 2022, 5:25 PM

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uncut lintel im never gonna use the visage form

sadly you're forced to for dragonriding

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:25 PM

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the blue and white ones especially

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tepid fiber Jul 11, 2022, 5:26 PM

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uncut vault sadly you're forced to for dragonriding

Aw, really? It's not like worgen on mounts?

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That's legit disappointing

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 5:26 PM

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no i think he means the dragonriding

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the new system

dense plover Jul 11, 2022, 5:26 PM

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looks like they added more armor compatbility with drakthyr

uncut vault Jul 11, 2022, 5:26 PM

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Nope, they said that while dracthyr cna use the base dragonriding in their dracthyr form, they cant use any of the perks

tepid fiber Jul 11, 2022, 5:26 PM

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uncut lintel no i think he means the dragonriding

I know that's what he meant

crimson jasper Jul 11, 2022, 5:26 PM

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eyyyy perfect man

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so much stuff to play around with

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 5:26 PM

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oh

dense plover Jul 11, 2022, 5:26 PM

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rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:26 PM

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well I think because of all the reaction they might actually full delve into giving their dracthyr form a proper full rig

uncut vault Jul 11, 2022, 5:26 PM

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so to do dragonriding effectively, you have to use the mounts, and they said you specifically can only ride them as visage form

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 5:26 PM

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thats fine but i dont wanna be it 24/7

dense plover Jul 11, 2022, 5:26 PM

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theres way more armor variety there - i imagine some of it is through barbershop but thats still something

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 5:26 PM

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e

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ye

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@uncut vault i have no problem being visage but i meant combat and in general wise without the system i want to only be drathyr

dense plover Jul 11, 2022, 5:27 PM

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they added 4 different body options

uncut vault Jul 11, 2022, 5:27 PM

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the armor source is gonna be interesting, that'll be a lot if it's just there on the creation screen

tepid fiber Jul 11, 2022, 5:27 PM

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uncut vault so to do dragonriding effectively, you have to use the mounts, and they said you...

I wonder if they did that just to avoid clipping

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:27 PM

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if they fill the rig's animations out which is what they implied when they said they want to add more classes to them

dense plover Jul 11, 2022, 5:27 PM

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that 4th one is actually decently bulky

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:27 PM

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then maybe in future they can ride mounts in dracthyr form

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 5:27 PM

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sadcat

uncut vault Jul 11, 2022, 5:27 PM

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tepid fiber I wonder if they did that just to avoid clipping

their official answer was "its weird to have a dragon riding a dragon", but wing clipping is probably the real answer lol

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:27 PM

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the issue atm is that they use the metamorphosis DH rig

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 5:27 PM

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im sad u cant use ur wings as drathyr as a mount to fly

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:27 PM

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I think

uncut vault Jul 11, 2022, 5:27 PM

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Nah theyve got a unique one

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:27 PM

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which isn't animation complete so far

uncut vault Jul 11, 2022, 5:27 PM

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the only existing model that fully shares their skeleton is the new incubus

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:28 PM

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you sure?

uncut vault Jul 11, 2022, 5:28 PM

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yep, DH is way different

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:28 PM

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DH metamorph looks exactly the same

cunning fossil Jul 11, 2022, 5:28 PM

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Scalies rejoice

uncut vault Jul 11, 2022, 5:28 PM

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only similarity whatsoever is that they both have wings and digitigrade legs

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:28 PM

#

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look at how they stand

uncut vault Jul 11, 2022, 5:28 PM

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yeah its totally different haha

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and totally different body width

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:29 PM

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that's model

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not rig

uncut vault Jul 11, 2022, 5:29 PM

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they might also share a skeleton with the female dreadlords

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:29 PM

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and dreadlords share rigging with the DH meta

uncut vault Jul 11, 2022, 5:29 PM

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the men do

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:29 PM

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and the female

uncut vault Jul 11, 2022, 5:29 PM

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the women are a different rig, they just have the same animations developed for both at the same time

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:29 PM

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https://www.wowhead.com/npc=104711/metamorphosis#modelviewer

Wowhead

Metamorphosis

Metamorphosis is an Elite NPC. The location of this NPC is unknown. In the NPCs category. Added in World of Warcraft: Legion. Always up to date.

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here

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they use female meta rig specifically

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the male one is just similarly styled

uncut vault Jul 11, 2022, 5:30 PM

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huh, so yeah its not shared with either DH form then

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just incubus

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:31 PM

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no

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they use female meta rig

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that's what I just said

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lol

uncut vault Jul 11, 2022, 5:31 PM

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I mean dracthyr

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 5:31 PM

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female meta rig = female dreadlord = dracthyr

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same rig

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at least that's what everything I've seen points towards

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if we can pull up the video clips of dracthyr we can match it

strange falcon Jul 11, 2022, 5:39 PM

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the body options are nice, but idk im kinda still dissatisfied,
they made them fatter with each body option rather than bulkier, and the head stays the same size, so at max body you have tiny head and big body which is justt funny

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but hey, ppl that liked them before, will like them now

ember blaze Jul 11, 2022, 5:41 PM

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Now where the trees

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PanserRage

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 5:43 PM

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strange falcon but hey, ppl that liked them before, will like them now

moji_snickers

ivory meadow Jul 11, 2022, 5:47 PM

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The horn designs are immaculate though.

ember blaze Jul 11, 2022, 6:10 PM

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anyone else want glasses to be a mog option on them? 🤔

cunning fossil Jul 11, 2022, 6:10 PM

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yes

tepid fiber Jul 11, 2022, 6:13 PM

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Why would Deathwing artificially create a race with bad eyesight?

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 6:15 PM

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was that sarcasm or real

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i cant tell

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you can become blind throughout living ur life or get injured or something

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wEsH

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 6:16 PM

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They aren't perfect either

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 6:16 PM

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no

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nothing is

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maybe one came out defective and blind

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idk

ember blaze Jul 11, 2022, 6:16 PM

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why have glasses at all when you could just cast dispel on your eyes

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 6:17 PM

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uncut lintel nothing is

Except thralls eyebrows

glass flicker Jul 11, 2022, 6:18 PM

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And Deathwing's chin.

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 6:19 PM

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i hope we get deathwings metal chin as optiontho

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fr

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or something of the sorts

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of metal

glass flicker Jul 11, 2022, 6:19 PM

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The weight of such chin, it must be mine.

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 6:20 PM

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its metal so to me its hot

cunning fossil Jul 11, 2022, 6:27 PM

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A change has already been made to no longer have Serpent Sting be the only path to Explosive Shot.

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damn that was quick

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we're not even play testing it yet

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usually it takes like 2 months

plain violet Jul 11, 2022, 6:31 PM

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tepid fiber Why would Deathwing artificially create a race with bad eyesight?

Eyesight even isn't a problem if you have magic like them.

crimson jasper Jul 11, 2022, 6:31 PM

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some people wear glasses just for style

crimson jasper Jul 11, 2022, 6:31 PM

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cunning fossil A change has already been made to no longer have Serpent Sting be the only path ...

also really? thats neat

plain violet Jul 11, 2022, 6:31 PM

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I know that make them cute, still... 😁

strange falcon Jul 11, 2022, 6:32 PM

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cunning fossil A change has already been made to no longer have Serpent Sting be the only path ...

pretty much every single tree needs this kind of changes, not just hunter,
interesting that hunter was first tho

cunning fossil Jul 11, 2022, 6:33 PM

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strange falcon pretty much every single tree needs this kind of changes, not just hunter, inter...

it was an internal change actually

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they did it BEFORE the person commented

cunning fossil Jul 11, 2022, 6:33 PM

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crimson jasper also really? thats neat

yeah! on the ballwith it

strange falcon Jul 11, 2022, 6:33 PM

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cunning fossil it was an internal change actually

Damn, the devs actually taking feedback from their own team
Thats a first

cunning fossil Jul 11, 2022, 6:35 PM

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strange falcon pretty much every single tree needs this kind of changes, not just hunter, inter...

while true, the fact they made it even before the suggestion came shows that they are more willing to fiddle with things earlier than try to make some sort of wierd pixel perfect move

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Either way, Ranged survival baby

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i will be playing alot of hybrid DPS I hav e afeeling

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that support shadow build though

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:bite_lip:

ember blaze Jul 11, 2022, 7:26 PM

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love this

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and the piercings on the wings

strange falcon Jul 11, 2022, 7:30 PM

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Its all easy when its custom fitted gear,
I want to see some legion mail gear on those models and see how they handle clipping

dense plover Jul 11, 2022, 7:31 PM

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pretty sure that helmet isnt custom fitted

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horns are going straight through

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but im also fairly certain it isnt done

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 7:32 PM

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is that the gear we are all gonna get

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or is it drops

ivory meadow Jul 11, 2022, 7:33 PM

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so there's a summit happening; this most likely means datamining is not going to be today and might just be thursday like rumored.

uncut lintel Jul 11, 2022, 7:33 PM

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idk i hope its just custom and given to us

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all

ember blaze Jul 11, 2022, 7:40 PM

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@ivory meadowwhat's that

ivory meadow Jul 11, 2022, 7:41 PM

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community event where blizzard flies content creators and streamers out to test content.

ember blaze Jul 11, 2022, 7:52 PM

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@ivory meadowis that like a private thing?

ivory meadow Jul 11, 2022, 8:13 PM

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ember blaze <@267727555975446528>is that like a private thing?

the people there will be under NDA and such, but it won't be long in this instance in terms being able to talk about some things they tested over there.

dense plover Jul 11, 2022, 8:18 PM

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usually a summit just has a disclosure date a few days later so that everyone who was there has time to get all their videos ready and so no one has an advantage

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breaking those is how you get banned from any future ones and usually how you get removed from the alpha/beta streamer list which is a good way to lose a ton of money

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so people dont break them

languid yoke Jul 11, 2022, 8:20 PM

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no dataminable build until thursday tippiHands

subtle oar Jul 11, 2022, 8:33 PM

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ivory meadow so there's a summit happening; this most likely means datamining is not going to...

O.o

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 8:39 PM

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dense plover so people dont break them

unless there's a way of anonymously breaking it xd

ivory meadow Jul 11, 2022, 8:39 PM

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I am reminded though that something just like this happened right before SL alpha started.

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 8:39 PM

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it is weird

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pulling back the curtain and being really into a game

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kind of spoils some of the fun of surprise reveals

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since you become hyper aware of all the patterns and inner workings

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probably why I loved elden ring so much, my first proper souls game and I went in blind without even watching any videos on it prior

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or at least part of the reason

crimson jasper Jul 11, 2022, 8:50 PM

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yea I know that feel, aside from systems I atleast want to try to keep story and such unspoiled for DF

strange falcon Jul 11, 2022, 8:51 PM

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would definitely help a crapton if everything wasn't datamined before the game even came out

signal bone Jul 11, 2022, 8:54 PM

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datamining can start earlier than the game is playable

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it could be tomorrow with servers going up on Thursday

dense plover Jul 11, 2022, 8:56 PM

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strange falcon would definitely help a crapton if everything wasn't datamined before the game e...

well theyve already changed how and what they encrypt - thats why a bunch of the 9.2.5 story stuff didnt come out until at least one person had gotten to it

crimson jasper Jul 11, 2022, 8:56 PM

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yea I liked that

strange falcon Jul 11, 2022, 8:58 PM

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dense plover well theyve already changed how and what they encrypt - thats why a bunch of the...

they've been not encrypting much until then, because wowhead is free publicity, and also "builds hype" (or at least it should do that)
not because they werent able to encrypt more things

crimson jasper Jul 11, 2022, 8:59 PM

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well he didnt say they werent able to, just that they changed their way of what they choose to encrypt

pulsar minnow Jul 11, 2022, 9:14 PM

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I’m a little late but omg those Dracthyr customizations

dense plover Jul 11, 2022, 10:51 PM

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strange falcon they've been not encrypting much until then, because wowhead is free publicity, ...

thats a big assumption. There was a lot of discussion about this on the wow trace discord (new wow.tools eventually) - it more boils down to; devs didnt want to make dataminers angry so they wanted their thoughts on what shouldnt and shouldnt be encrypted and the general consensus was that if it isnt story spoilers, it doesnt need to be encrypted but if its story spoilers, even dialogue, it does and it needs to be encrypted until people do it, and not unlocked by a hotfix key until much later than previously

opaque pewter Jul 11, 2022, 10:56 PM

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Even the bracers seem to be a different mesh than the body, so that's pretty cool. Though the blue one seems to not have any geometry faces under on its model lol

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 11:26 PM

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pulsar minnow Jul 11, 2022, 11:29 PM

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rain cave

Holy crap

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Ngl I sort of expected them to just drop like 6 variations per customization option

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But this is insane

tepid fiber Jul 11, 2022, 11:32 PM

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What I like most about it is that it should really help make them be more unique, despite only being one race and class

rain cave Jul 11, 2022, 11:34 PM

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they get their heritage armours baked into their barber shop

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xd

rich elm Jul 11, 2022, 11:39 PM

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really just loving all the customization options

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we really got a rainbow of dragons lol

tepid fiber Jul 11, 2022, 11:41 PM

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Gimme dem storm drake options I'm lovin em

rich elm Jul 11, 2022, 11:41 PM

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that dark blue next to the light blue... omg its so nice

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ngl i thought i would hate the 4th body option but the more i look at it the more it warms up to me

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its just got so much shape

cunning fossil Jul 11, 2022, 11:53 PM

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wuld like if we got an option to be short tho

rich elm Jul 12, 2022, 12:07 AM

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yea, i guess thats for another time

ancient jasper Jul 12, 2022, 12:38 AM

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80 OCTILLION combinations? o_O

uncut lintel Jul 12, 2022, 12:44 AM

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wjat

pulsar minnow Jul 12, 2022, 12:45 AM

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uncut lintel wjat

Customization combinations for Dracthyr

uncut lintel Jul 12, 2022, 12:45 AM

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yea but theres not 80 bil

ancient jasper Jul 12, 2022, 12:50 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406285497846071306/996195919991160872/unknown.png

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According to Blizzard there are

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FAR FAR more than 80 billion

uncut lintel Jul 12, 2022, 12:51 AM

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wtfv

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no way

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thatsl ie

ancient jasper Jul 12, 2022, 12:52 AM

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Between Horn Options, Snout Options, Body Size Options, Scale Color Options, Spikey Body Options and possibly eye options.. And that's not even counting the stuff their humanoid forms get

uncut lintel Jul 12, 2022, 12:53 AM

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FFF

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CANT WAIT TO SPNEDD 5 HOURS CUSTOMIZATION

ancient jasper Jul 12, 2022, 12:53 AM

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Hahaha

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Yeah it's gonna be crazy

uncut lintel Jul 12, 2022, 12:54 AM

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sadcat vulpera should get 5000 too

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customs

ancient jasper Jul 12, 2022, 12:54 AM

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This legit might be one of the few races where you'll rarely ever see someone that looks exactly like you

uncut lintel Jul 12, 2022, 12:54 AM

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yea

nocturne totem Jul 12, 2022, 1:17 AM

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I wonder how many combos existing races have like Highmountain Tauren

ember blaze Jul 12, 2022, 1:49 AM

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no new trees and alpha in a few days

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https://tenor.com/view/dying-monkey-dying-gif-13123180

Tenor

ivory meadow Jul 12, 2022, 1:51 AM

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we just went through almost half of the classes in the game besides evoker.

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that's enough for an initial release.

ember blaze Jul 12, 2022, 1:56 AM

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ivory meadow that's enough for an initial release.

for those that got their mains released

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I see monk mains being worried because they cite a history of being forgotten

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or left till the very end

ivory meadow Jul 12, 2022, 1:58 AM

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ember blaze for those that got their mains released

I'm talking from a purely information point of view.

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that does not invalidate any class' opinion that they feel left behind or being the last in the bunch.

dense plover Jul 12, 2022, 2:12 AM

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ancient jasper Between Horn Options, Snout Options, Body Size Options, Scale Color Options, Spi...

also some of the armor is almost definitely customization stuff

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i imagine itll be pretty infrequent that someone has the same dragon form and im gonna guess no one will ever look exactly the same across both forms

rich elm Jul 12, 2022, 2:13 AM

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im so excited to play, i really hope i get alpha, if not then i hope i get in beta

uncut lintel Jul 12, 2022, 2:13 AM

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I WANT DRAGONFLIGHT

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NOWWWW

ember blaze Jul 12, 2022, 5:36 AM

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NOWWWW

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https://tenor.com/view/familyguy-iwantitnow-petergriffin-tantrums-angry-gif-5498750

Tenor

cunning fossil Jul 12, 2022, 5:37 AM

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Lol

opaque pewter Jul 12, 2022, 5:58 AM

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Based on what we know so far

15 colours * 4 builds * 17 horns * 6 outfits * 10~ scales = 61200~ combinations

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Stuff like nose and eye colour probably can be changed. Also horn/claw colours (they are tied), face wings/ears, tail

vernal juniper Jul 12, 2022, 6:04 AM

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uncut lintel thatsl ie

you can easly add 10 eyes 2 genders

cunning fossil Jul 12, 2022, 6:09 AM

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How many did they say(

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80 billion??

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I just saw a lot of 0s and I could 10.lol

strange falcon Jul 12, 2022, 6:17 AM

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a lot lot more than a billion, 19zeroes more than a billion im doing the math and their claim is most likely BS and exaggerated,

strange falcon Jul 12, 2022, 6:19 AM

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opaque pewter Based on what we know so far ``` 15 colours * 4 builds * 17 horns * 6 outfits * ...

assuming you can only have 5 customization options active at a time like stated here,
to have 19billion combinations( 18 zeroes less than the number given)
you'd need to have a total of 300 different total customization

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even assumin the same amount ^, but you can use the same customization more than once, that only bumps it up to 20B, not their number

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you'd need 1000 total customization(with repetition) over 5 slots, to reach 8thousand Billions (16 zeroes less than their number)

strange falcon Jul 12, 2022, 6:27 AM

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opaque pewter Stuff like nose and eye colour probably can be changed. Also horn/claw colours (...

even assuming 1000 total customization(with repetition) over 10 slots (colour, build, horn, outfit, scales, nose, eye color, horn/claw, facewings, ears, tails)
that's still 6zeroes less than their number
even splitting horns and claw separately (so 11 slots), that's still 4 zeroes less than their number

ember blaze Jul 12, 2022, 6:43 AM

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@strange falcon visage form

opaque pewter Jul 12, 2022, 6:43 AM

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Yeah that number in the tweet is very high. We'll have the exact number soon lol

ember blaze Jul 12, 2022, 6:43 AM

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Maybe they counting both

uncut vault Jul 12, 2022, 6:52 AM

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just on the face alone theres jaw shape, jaw additions, jowl additions, ears, horns, horn color, lower eyes, upper eyes, eye color, eye type, nose shape, face markings, frontal neck additions, back neck additions

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and on the body, scales are customized in three separate categories with lower arm, torso, and legs, alongside 3d options on the shoulders

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of which you can choose different colors than your base character skin tone

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the number's definitely accurate haha

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not even mentioning we havent seen the full extent of tail customization, which seems to be separated into tip, tail, and pattern

strange falcon Jul 12, 2022, 7:06 AM

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uncut vault the number's definitely accurate haha

¯_(ツ)_/¯

rich elm Jul 12, 2022, 7:10 AM

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All in all, it seems like this race has like

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THE MOST customizable race ever in WoW with the addition of body types

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I hope we get more body types too

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I’d love for people to get their bulky bois and for those that want curvy shapes for their more feminine dragons

uncut vault Jul 12, 2022, 7:11 AM

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this definitely opens up a good window for minor body changes at least, that can fit inside existing skeletal limitations

rich elm Jul 12, 2022, 7:11 AM

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I really do hope the devs consider adding more customization for the rest of the races too

uncut vault Jul 12, 2022, 7:12 AM

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like, I'd love to get a female blood elf with literally any semblance of meat on her arms lol

rich elm Jul 12, 2022, 7:12 AM

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SAME

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I just want to play a buff girl troll

uncut vault Jul 12, 2022, 7:12 AM

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oh I also forgot to mention horn jewelry, so thats another layer on top of it all lol

rich elm Jul 12, 2022, 7:13 AM

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Oh yea there’s jewelry too!

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They really outdid themselves with this race

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I’m 100% gonna spend hours trying to decide my dracthyr looks

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 8:35 AM

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i've not seen people talking about their neck options

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https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/77QQMQSPKLO91657316582479.jpg

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the back of it

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it's very cool

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 8:37 AM

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uncut vault just on the face alone theres jaw shape, jaw additions, jowl additions, ears, ho...

you can also have nose horn as an option

languid yoke Jul 12, 2022, 8:45 AM

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there's a shitton of easy to overlook options ye

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not enough talk about the stripe options

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 8:47 AM

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zamn

rich elm Jul 12, 2022, 9:01 AM

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im so excited i really hope i get into alpha but if not i can hopefully live vicariously through content creators

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the more i look at it the more i see that you can change the colors of the scale stripes

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some of these are reused and in different colors

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 10:13 AM

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I do wonder what the most common dracthyr look will be though

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Black and red?

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With the biggest edgy horns that aren't curled

uncut vault Jul 12, 2022, 10:20 AM

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Probably black due to the lore, and red due to the DPS spec

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Plus it seems red has the most colors

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 10:32 AM

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I'll Probably try go for a chromatic look

plain violet Jul 12, 2022, 10:41 AM

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Surely black and red, yes.

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Need to see how the custom will play out, but will be black/purple, or white/yellow/purple, for me.

tepid fiber Jul 12, 2022, 10:51 AM

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I still think it's funny that people are saving character names that use the dragon naming rules without knowing how the dracthyr actually name themselves

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 10:51 AM

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I have an orc warrior called pinklover

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You can't stop me

tepid fiber Jul 12, 2022, 10:52 AM

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Flowerpicker is a canon orc surname/tribe

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 10:52 AM

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Amazing

rich elm Jul 12, 2022, 11:11 AM

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I have so many names already with the “thyr” suffix but I only reserved one of them

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The rest have a whole different set of names

plain violet Jul 12, 2022, 12:30 PM

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tepid fiber I still think it's funny that people are saving character names that use the dra...

I think it funnny too.

cunning fossil Jul 12, 2022, 1:47 PM

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Imagine if we just meet a drakthyr named bobby

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Not Bobogos or anything

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Just bobby

tepid fiber Jul 12, 2022, 1:50 PM

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I mean, the pre-order pet's name is Drakks which already doesn't follow dragon naming conventions khadgarface

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 1:51 PM

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cunning fossil Not Bobogos or anything

Collin

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Collin the dracthyr

tepid fiber Jul 12, 2022, 1:51 PM

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I'm guessing it'll be gutteral, with harsh consonants and high vowel sounds

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 1:52 PM

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Bun'gus

cunning fossil Jul 12, 2022, 2:06 PM

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Amungos

uncut lintel Jul 12, 2022, 2:08 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/the-owl-house-the-owl-house-king-king-among-us-gif-22671941

Tenor

cunning fossil Jul 12, 2022, 2:13 PM

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Lol

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I don't get the rush with making Drakthyr other classes

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Like why would someone who has access to Dragon Magic want to just go "nah. I want a big axe" when they were PROGRAMMED to just be an eviker

pulsar minnow Jul 12, 2022, 2:20 PM

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They also have been trapped underground for thousands of years dormant

cunning fossil Jul 12, 2022, 2:21 PM

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They would have to

Integrate into society
Learn Classes and have a feel for which ones they might want to do

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Also EXACTLY TIRI

pulsar minnow Jul 12, 2022, 2:21 PM

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cunning fossil They would have to - Integrate into society - Learn Classes and have a feel for...

This. And Blizz already said they’re looking at adding classes over time

cunning fossil Jul 12, 2022, 2:22 PM

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It's so frustrating people screeching about wanting Warriors and stuff without acknowledging yhat they're not just some race that was active ij the world

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They were literally doing

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NOTHINT

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THEY JUST WOKE UP

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Why would they want to swing a sword???

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Instead of using their own magic that they were built with

tepid fiber Jul 12, 2022, 2:23 PM

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"But I waaaaaant it"

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 2:24 PM

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evokers are dracthyr and dracthyr are evokers

pulsar minnow Jul 12, 2022, 2:24 PM

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For now I’m totally cool with just having Evokers. I’ve wanted a dragon related class for a very long time, hence why I play a warrior because of the Valarjar stuff. Now we finally got that so I can’t really complain

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 2:24 PM

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if they'd just packaged them as a class with custom starting zone and customisations like DH nobody would have batted an eye

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however I like this

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and I like the idea of a visage form too

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because I just realized they can now add naga in the same way

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give the naga an 'elf' form

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but then give them a ton of bespoke customisation options

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if they were to ever add them

cunning fossil Jul 12, 2022, 2:25 PM

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tepid fiber "But I *waaaaaant* it"

This is basically the justification.

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That's all they got

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 2:26 PM

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that being said I do think it's because people feel it would be cool to play a dragon warrior

cunning fossil Jul 12, 2022, 2:26 PM

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I understand people think it is restrictive but it's restrictive for a reaosm

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 2:26 PM

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and no not the pandaren kind

cunning fossil Jul 12, 2022, 2:26 PM

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And not even FOREVER

tepid fiber Jul 12, 2022, 2:26 PM

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cunning fossil That's all they got

God forbid you point out the entitlement without getting called a boomer, though

cunning fossil Jul 12, 2022, 2:26 PM

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Eventually there WILL be Drak warriors

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And hen they do happen, they'll think they've "won" somehow

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 2:27 PM

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but they'll still complain

cunning fossil Jul 12, 2022, 2:27 PM

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Like no bro thus was always the plan, you're just impatient as fuck

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 2:27 PM

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"why did it take them this long UGH"

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"typical blizzard"

cunning fossil Jul 12, 2022, 2:27 PM

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Kek

tepid fiber Jul 12, 2022, 2:27 PM

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Gamers are the worst thing about gaming

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 2:27 PM

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"should have been like this at launch!"

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correction

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forum gamers

cunning fossil Jul 12, 2022, 2:27 PM

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It's even more true for wow

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Cuz.nt god

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 2:28 PM

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it's why I feel that if blizzard ever want to poll the community on something

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do it ingame

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please

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don't do it on the forums

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when I log in give me a popup for the vote

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I wonder if the lore will actually be there are loads of dracthyr locked in a vault

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or if it'll be like "yeah neltharion made a few dozen"

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and then there's like a million ingame

cunning fossil Jul 12, 2022, 2:32 PM

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Look at what they chose on the forums for the WoD dungeons

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Fucking

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Iron Docks

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 2:32 PM

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no Upper blackrock

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😭

tepid fiber Jul 12, 2022, 2:32 PM

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It's really impossible to please everyone, especially when they all have opinions and personal headcanons on how things should be

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Some people really need to learn how to accept compromise

rain cave Jul 12, 2022, 2:34 PM

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can't wait for dracthyr priests to go in void form and levitate without even using their wings

uncut lintel Jul 12, 2022, 2:44 PM

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oh bro that would be sick

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if drathyr ever get to be druids that would be cool too

cunning fossil Jul 12, 2022, 2:50 PM

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Drakthyr being Druids

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Now GHAT is cool

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And thematically correct because

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Ya know