beta-ptr-spoilers

[strange falcon]

forgot to reply to this,
if you were looking for transparency, you got the wrong devteam, they have never been transparent in 10+ years

[cunning fossil]

Totally fair

[strange falcon]

i seriously question anyone who says they enjoyed 9.1,
korthia + sanctum was a wombo combo that thanos snapped the playerbase

[pulsar minnow]

I'm pretty excited to see how this development cycle pans out though, especially considering this is the first expansion in the last 6(?) years that won't have any borrowed power systems

I wonder how much dev time those systems ate up

[cunning fossil]

Ye 6 yesrs

[rich elm]

im here for playable dragons

[pulsar minnow]

Oh for sure. I've been a melee player for a long time but Dracthyr are quite intriguing

[strange falcon]

you might have missed the discussions, but not having borrowed power systems doesnt ensure the expac will ship in a good state.

especially considering how they had the $$$ fueled idea to release the expac this year instead of start of next year
expac is 5months out and we have not even an alpha and 3 talent trees

that surely does inspire confidence

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah it does make me a tad bit worried. That said I don't think the WoW team can afford to release another expansion before it's ready. Especially not after the last two expansions and Diablo Immortal

So hopefully a delay if it's not ready

[strange falcon]

im sure the groundfloor devs are well aware of that, but im also very sure the people that actually take decisions dont give a shit

as a matter of fact, the pieces fall into place very conveniently, with the preorders to boost Financial quarter Q3
and the release to boost Q4

[rich elm]

idk, i dont see why shipping the expac early implies it will be bad, Ion said so himself the expac is far along already even before they announced it. Plus, even if it is bad, it is still fixable, later patches can come and fix anything broken... so why the severe distrust?
it might be that im used to indie games and how they tend to ship broken stuff a lot (cuz they are indie devs with other obligations) and my all time favorite game (that was shut down) did release broken, but fixed itself better later on down the line

[strange falcon]

"why the severe distrust" oh man, you're new to the scene huh

[rich elm]

i did say i was lol

[strange falcon]

they've earned every single ounce of resentment and distrust and more

[rich elm]

i see

[strange falcon]

activisionblizzard is a multimillion TripleA studio,
it is not an indie dev.
also indie games have passion

this game has lost its passion years ago

[rich elm]

the way i see it, anything can be fixed later on, release later in 2023 also does not guarantee a good expac nor completely playable either

i guess im just happy to have a game to play, i dont like all the posts about how the game is gonna die if this expac isnt good first try

in my experience, no game came out good first try, i just stuck with it cuz it was fun

[strange falcon]

if your criteria is "just want a game " you might want to look to other games that arent populated by lost agonizing souls that yearn for freedom

[rich elm]

regardless, people will prob still play the game no matter how good or bad it is, emotional attachments and it being the reason people met real life friends and all

[strange falcon]

there is plenty of people unable to quit because they're addicted, the league of legends community would tell you the same, and their game isnt as much in the gutter as this one

[rich elm]

lmao im here because my own friends are here pretty much, i tried every MMO out there and so far i hated or didnt like much any of them

WoW at LEAST reminds me of Wildstar and for that ill stay because i loved WS

[strange falcon]

maybe mmos just maybe may not be for you

ah yes i remember wildstar, it was created by wow devs that were fed up with the direction of the game, way back when

however their crucial mistake was catering too much to the hardcore, which is a small niche, and they couldnt pay the costs,
it was a great game tho, but a lack of popularity

[rich elm]

i grew up playing only mmos, my dad taught me how to play them, i have too much attachment to just... not play them

its also how i met my close friend group

and many other things XD

[strange falcon]

there's a ton of game genres out there for a reason,
its not like you read only fantasy books because its all you've ever read

[rich elm]

oh i bet, but if friends are not playing them, and people in the communities are too clique-y, or some other nitpicky thing i have about em is wrong, i wont really touch

[strange falcon]

you might be neglecting the biggest bunch of games out there, singleplayer

[upper pasture]

"oh you like playing with friends? have you tried idk singleplayer games?"

[strange falcon]

who said you cant enjoy both

[upper pasture]

did they say they only play wow?

[rich elm]

no, but WoW is my main game at its current

and nah, i have phobias of playing singleplayers
something about knowing you are the only actual thinking thing verses all the AI in a game scares me

and i overthink it too much, so i dont touch them lol

[strange falcon]

that is the very first time i've heard of that

[rich elm]

yea idk, i try to enjoy them but i end up having this weird feeling of isolation

i need people to talk too, or a chatbox with conversations going

[uncut lintel]

damn this chat still going

[cunning fossil]

Lil

[rich elm]

thhis chat is pretty active

[uncut lintel]

so

when dragonflight

[upper pasture]

tomorrow

[uncut lintel]

[upper pasture]

wake up foxy it's Christmas tomorrow

[uncut lintel]

ew

christmas

gross

i hate holidays

[upper pasture]

well that's December so....

[uncut lintel]

i hate every holiday due to just it being full of people

i want blizzcon back

[trail knot]

:sadcat:

[cunning fossil]

In tears

[ember blaze]

wowhead really baiting with these tree articles a month late.

[cunning fossil]

Seriously

[strange falcon]

twisting the knife in the wound you could say

[pulsar minnow]

So kinda a weird question but I feel like people in this channel probably find a lot of the small details in dev interviews and whatnot.
Do we really have any idea of what the big bad of the expansion is gonna be? Or what zone are coming next?

[cunning fossil]

Not really actually

No clear big bad

Maybe a hint at returning to the dracthyr starting zone

[pulsar minnow]

My first guess would be Murozond but I kinda think they wanna introduce something new

[cunning fossil]

I doubt it's just murozonf as the big bad

Honestly.i would love if we don't have an omega big bad

I like self contained threats

[pulsar minnow]

I'm not too against that myself. At the same time though, I would love to see Blizzard use the dragonriding system in a boss fight

Just an idea: lets say like some massive drake breaks out from the dragon isles and is heading towards the mainland azeroth, and the players have to use flying skills to catch up and chase it across the ocean

I'd really love to see blizz get more creative with raids besides just the boss fights. Add some platforming puzzles and stuff. It could be pretty cool imo

[cunning fossil]

Could be Hella cool

I'd love that

[rain cave]

yeah I was imagining this

there was the nexus fight in wrath against malygos

and the dungeon

but I'd moreso see it as a traversal minigame between bosses perhaps

but seeing it midfight would be cool

since they did hint that dragonriding would have "power" or something in it

[pulsar minnow]

Yeah agreed. I'm just very excited to see how complex Blizz could get in their open world and raid/dungeon designs with this new form of movement

It would absolutely be a waste if they don't utilize it in some dungeons

[rain cave]

or as dafire would put it

"sorry your dragonriding isn't maxxed we're kicking you"

[pulsar minnow]

yeah.... hopefully it's designed in a way where that won't be the case

[cunning fossil]

There willy be upgrades but it shouldn't be too dramatic

[ember blaze]

please

though even as the boss fight would be good

[rain cave]

I think a 1st boss would work

since 1st bosses are funmeme areas

like in sanctum

as long as it was tuned to be easyish

[upper pasture]

But then…it would be sorta tied to player progression and just what y’all been bitching about not wanting

[rain cave]

I'd argue it would be more like

you can easily do it regardless

but maybe unlocking more in the trees gives you like a shortcut or something

but I don't think it would ever be present on like

a last boss

[upper pasture]

Then why bother? If it can be done without any effort people will just complain blizz is lazy

[rain cave]

because it just has to be fun

and not without effort

just don't make it like

pixel perfect f1 racing lmao

more mario kart

but with wings

like boost winds

dodging projectiles in 3 'lanes'

or something

it would work as an intermission thing

don't want a whole fight on dragonriding

[cunning fossil]

I can totall6 see a first boss where they have multiple platforms and you have to chase them every 33% HP or so

And you use dragonriding to avoid obstacles while traversing into the next phase/platform

[rain cave]

there was a boss in 8.2 right?

were you had to swim between platforms

[ancient jasper]

Yes. The huge Eel boss

[upper pasture]

Ah yes, I blocked that out from my memory lol

[ember blaze]

there was also that one boss that put you in these rings in the air and you had to face the correct way 🤔

in BFA

mini games in boss fights are nice imo

dancing in CN

now i really hope for a flying mini game

🙏

[subtle oar]

I want another vehicle combat boss uwu

[opaque pewter]

Mythic-tuned Malygos yess

[languid yoke]

Oculus m+

[opaque pewter]

Dungeons are missing verticality like that one lately.
I wonder if DF will have them back, because dragons

[rain cave]

I do hope they lean into the dragonriding as an actual mechanic

[cunning fossil]

hope so. it'd be awesome

[rain cave]

it worked well with path of fire for GW2

covenants gave us dungeons skips

maybe dragonriding will too

[ember blaze]

another day, still no alpha

https://tenor.com/view/dying-monkey-dying-gif-13123180

[ivory meadow]

at least a build got passed last night

[ember blaze]

@ivory meadowwhat does it mean

[ivory meadow]

nothing but more waiting.

[cunning fossil]

oh jessus they got a lot of Season 4 stuff out

[rain cave]

@languid yoke @uncut lintel @crimson jasper dracthyr concept art

I assume you're interested

[languid yoke]

👀

where is that even from, someone already got the book?

[rain cave]

that's what they said

something like that

[languid yoke]

yeah just saw via mrgm's tweet it's from the blizzstore

[plain violet]

Pretty dope.

[ember blaze]

That’s gonna make a lot of people mad

[rain cave]

the concept art?

[ember blaze]

@rain caveyes

[uncut lintel]

wow

the effort they put into the actual game race is 0 compared to the concept art

grats blizz

you did it again

lazy people smh

[strange falcon]

hey, it wasnt me saying it this time

😂

[uncut lintel]

hey man

they always do it

they did it whole shadowlands

and bfa

now dragofnflight

[strange falcon]

but it is true, the concept art has never looked bad,
but 7times out of 10 the ingame item/thing looks nowhere near

[uncut lintel]

im not sure whats the ppoint of adding things if ur not even gonna try to put the same effort into the game

i know they are not poor either they have money to make things look good

[rain cave]

I wouldn't say they put 0 effort in

[uncut lintel]

but we keep getting shit

[rain cave]

since the stuff we have seen looks phenomenal

[uncut lintel]

ok sure mate

no

[rain cave]

it's just the design people want beefier dragon form

[uncut lintel]

compared to the art i think drathyr look like hsit now

[upper pasture]

They need to game to run on as many computers as possible that’s why you don’t see the same detail in game

[uncut lintel]

no

[uncut lintel]

yea

but they can atleast try

i still consider it lazy

[rain cave]

2d art made to explore the idea without limits vs the 3d model that has to be performant and run on a 20 year old engine

[uncut lintel]

u can make low qaulity things look decent

[rain cave]

ik

[uncut lintel]

its not impossible

[rain cave]

but my point is that they had to constrain the design to a female human/ belf model

[uncut lintel]

the picture off the human form in concept art is 10x better than the one we are getting in the game

[rain cave]

as well as then also the DH meta model

[uncut lintel]

im not even talking abt the dragon model

im talking abt the humanoid form

[rain cave]

what's wrong with the humanoid forms

[strange falcon]

the maw soldiers look amazing in the concept art, straight out of dark souls, menacing, while they look like toy soldiers ingame
the "legendary arrmor", amazing in concept art, its all painted textures ingame with no 3D,
the tiersets from the last raid look good on the concept art, they dont look good ingame.

i think legion is when they got most things accurate to the concept art, most tiersets in legion were vveeery close to concept art

[uncut lintel]

the ones we are getting look like i made them, they look like shitt

the concept art ones look badass

[rain cave]

only thing I've seen people annoyed regarding that is that it's only belf/human

[uncut lintel]

watch them dothe same thing with raid sets

[uncut lintel]

well that is stupid but ykno blizz gotta keep favoring those stupid elf players

[rain cave]

i'd say these looks baller

[uncut lintel]

meh

post the female ones

[rain cave]

for me the issue is the dragon forms

[uncut lintel]

idc abt the males

all males look like shit to meu nless thney are worgen or trolls or vulpera so

[rain cave]

because they transform into their big dragon forms yet their chest/shoulders are thinner than their human form

[uncut lintel]

honestly they could be better but atleast they added wings

[strange falcon]

this is true as well, the concept art for the humanoid form looks alright, while the one they've shown ingame looks like something went wrong when it came out of the womb

[uncut lintel]

see

and they can atleast try to make it look like the concept art

sure not 100% same detail

but the effort we get compared

is fucking sad

[rain cave]

idk why you think it's effort

[uncut lintel]

because it is

[rain cave]

there was definitely talented effort put into this

you just have an issue with the design direction

[uncut lintel]

compared to the art, when u look at the game, hell no

[strange falcon]

the artists know what the limits of the engine is, they've shown that in legion as i stated, where the concept art was almost 1:1 to the sets and the models

[uncut lintel]

i know the shit has limits but

cmon man

[rain cave]

I mean if we want to debate the minor points

they probably have a bunch of new artists

because spellbreak devs

[uncut lintel]

they have made things that look so much better and put them into the store

why cant weh ave better looking races

[rain cave]

but that's not an argument I want to rely on

because regardless it's a fault not an excuse

[strange falcon]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net%2FHELYJ2jLDD6ABDWJ2eRAg.jpg&f=1&nofb=1https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net%2FHELYJ2jLDD6ABDWJ2eRAg.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

this isnt acceptable

[uncut lintel]

also race variety like fat females or skinny males is what i want to lol but i gotta keep draeming on that one

[rain cave]

but I think the dracthyr look fine

[uncut lintel]

its not

[rain cave]

what's the issue with the dracthyr humanoids tf

[uncut lintel]

thats y i hope dragonform is permenent cuz id never fucking use humanoid

[rain cave]

like I've never seen people complain about it

only the dragon form

what exactly is the thing that makes it look low effort to you

[uncut lintel]

they both can be better but ofc i dont agree with ppl who want buff dragons lol

[rain cave]

I mean you must agree that buff should be an option tho

[uncut lintel]

yes

options are never bad

[rain cave]

ye

[strange falcon]

the introduction of spellbreak devs isnt immediate, because there's a thing called "training the new hires" that takes around a year

[uncut lintel]

but putting one option for multiple opinions, which blizzard does, is bad

[rain cave]

they've already been working with blizz for a while apparently

they said so themselves

[strange falcon]

that while is "since march", "since march" isnt a year

[rain cave]

still

headstart

[uncut lintel]

i just wanna see how the raid sets come out

if they cmoe out bland compared to the art

[rain cave]

also if they're artists like

not game dev artists

[uncut lintel]

like shadowlands sets they got lazy with

[rain cave]

just game artists

[uncut lintel]

yea

ofc

[rain cave]

then those people can make models, textures regardless

[uncut lintel]

u have to draw it before u can actually figure out 3d and shit

[rain cave]

they won't be in engine much

they just need the specs

[uncut lintel]

can they even upgrade their engines

or if they did would everyone lose WOW

[strange falcon]

the models and textures still have to conform to the working environment blizzard uses, the point stands

[rain cave]

that's what I said

[strange falcon]

it's like making unity textures vs unreal 4 textures

[rain cave]

there isn't much difference

just an export change

[uncut lintel]

unreal WoW

[rain cave]

hell naw

[uncut lintel]

make WOW look realistic

my pc would explode

[strange falcon]

given the engine is proprietary to blizzard, there could be quite some difference

[rain cave]

unreal is actually quite optimizwed

[uncut lintel]

o

[rain cave]

then that's blizzard being estupido

[strange falcon]

i disagree with unreal wow as well, it would lose all the charm immediately

[rain cave]

well

it's not so much the engine would make it lose its charm

because you can do good stylized games in unreal

in fact if they wanted to make a warcraft IP game in unreal

it could look phenomenal if it wasn't realistic

but unreal isn't an MMO engine

[uncut lintel]

its an unreal engine

haha bad pun

[rain cave]

not easily

[strange falcon]

the example i always bring up is,
Windwaker(zelda) came out 2 years before Resident evil 4,
yet RE4 looks very dated, while windwaker looks fine, today

[rain cave]

and it comes with a bunch of things that they wouldn't want baked into an MMO that tries to be easy to run

and stay performant

well yeah it's always art direction > graphical power

[strange falcon]

a lot of pixel art games look gorgeous, but they are well...pixel art, which is as far as you can get from realistic without downgrading to 16bit xD

[rain cave]

because I could also counter that and say that modern warfare 2 still holds up to this day in some ways

like the OG one

not the new 2022 one

because despite being a 'realistic' art style, it's directed in such a way that it doesn't age too poorly

whereas halo 2 is a bit crunchy

despite being more stylized

simply because its art style didn't age well

[strange falcon]

also, everyone can do realistic, but it takes research to do good art direction

[rain cave]

but a lot of things can be polished to quite good effect once you're above a certain bar

gmod for example

or just half life 2 as a base

yeah we can see how it's aged but it doesn't really negatively affect it

it holds up phenomenally and still looks good

and modlists can make Gmod look realistic in certain circumstances, it's just knowing what tools to use and scenarios /angles to show

[ember blaze]

what's with the different underwear

[rain cave]

option in the customisation I assume

we already have the progenitor to that in current WoW for some races i think

[trail knot]

male dracthyr leaked

[uncut lintel]

lmfaoooo

the fucking head

[cunning fossil]

Hot

[ember blaze]

but you cant even hide pants, so why even?

[rain cave]

maybe we can

in df

or maybe it's just for customisation sake

or maybe it influences dragon form wear too who knows

[strange falcon]

for the RPers in goldshire

[rain cave]

for my impeccable polish toy or w/e it's called

[subtle oar]

This

[rain cave]

I mean

spellbreak was made in unreal

and that's pretty analagous to a WoW art style in terms of stylization

[ember blaze]

ya, unreal doesnt have to be realistic art style

[rain cave]

unreal just has systems in place for advanced rendering

however it's undeniable that part of WoW's charm is some of that simplicity

[ember blaze]

it sucks if wow's content is limited due to what it was made from

[rain cave]

^ this is also tru

[ember blaze]

imagine if that little bag on your robe wasn't just flat 😶

[rain cave]

the only time we'd get a WoW 2 is a literal reboot of the game, as a whole new thing

or

an overwatch 2 style WoW 2

where they just update some things and it takes over the WoW service

but yeah unreal wouldn't work for WoW, since it has a lot of things that would remove it from being so accessible

the old tech on WoW makes it runnable on a lot of things even if its optimisation isn't great

but also part of WoW's style is the circumventing of technical stuff

like limited metallic/reflections on objects, and baking lighting in via textures

and fake detail through textures

https://twitter.com/mateusmach_/status/1544003234402111489

Mateus Machado (@mateusmach_)

(wip) Handpainted/diffuse only model. Still a lot to clean and tweak. I started this as a fanart design of Delaryn from WoW on her evil form.
#warcraft #warcraftart

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this is in line with what I would like to see from a WoW 2 though

since this is a diffuse only shaded model, no fancy material properties yet it fakes all of those through good texture work

[nocturne totem]

Same art style just made higher res and some newer tech for details?

Seems good to me

[ember blaze]

🙏

[proper palm]

They would have been better in human form :/

[subtle oar]

I vastly prefer wow the way it is rm visually

[proper palm]

Like Neltharion.. Kalec..

[proper palm]

I prefer cartoon style too !

[dense plover]

it ages much better

generally speaking

it also means that they dont have to increase texture resolution constantly

look back at games like skyrim or farcry and they age poorly because the loss of texture resolution becomes obvious

[subtle oar]

^

[tepid fiber]

Man, even going from AC: Origins to AC: Odyssey there's a quality jump

[nocturne totem]

I'd be fine with losing a raid tier if they redid all of the old armor textures to current standard

Just a whole tier gone to work on cosmetics and QoL

[rain cave]

I don't think they need to redo armour anything

apart from the tech behind how they make things

if anything redoing things would annoy people

imagine if they redid say, tier 1 warrior and that old model/texture was no longer available

the best thing to do was like in legion where they did a high res version of an older set and then expanded it

[tepid fiber]

Gamers hate change as much as they demand change, so it's a very cautious balancing act for the devs

[nocturne totem]

You can't make a decent mog with old armor and new armor mixed. The res difference is too jarring

[rain cave]

I beg to differ

but also

that's fine

[nocturne totem]

Some pieces can work sure

[rain cave]

if they are going to redo textures it would have to be a stric uprez

not a repaint

they'd have to just upscale those textures

any difference in style or intent would be negative

also part of the charm of some of those old sets IS how old they are

walking nostalgia for some people

just use old tiers as inspiration for new ones

every now and again

I don't think people would complain if they re-released a reimagined version of tier 1 for 10.1 or 10.2

[nocturne totem]

At that point I'd just want a new set completely

[rain cave]

they can be

imagine tier 1 warrior but redone in high res and tweaked to fit a dragon theme

like the spikes being make of dragon bone and scale for the plate

but still retaining the theming of tier 1 warr

[nocturne totem]

T20 is cool and all and looks really nice. I would have rather had brand new set though.

[rain cave]

I'm thinking along the lines of T20 mythic for some of these too

where it's an evolution

and also I don't think remaking old tiers would be every tier

just every now and again if it makes sense

[ivory meadow]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/23827585/dragonflight-preview-an-eye-on-professions

[cunning fossil]

Hyxucjf

CONTENT

C

[ember blaze]

wowhead slacking

[crimson jasper]

ohhhhh

the stuff with quality reminds me a bit of ff14

[cunning fossil]

These effects sound very cool

And like

WAY more interesting than just regular flasks

[strange falcon]

WAI going full rabid foam at the mouth at any amount of communication from the devs,
his standards are very low

[cunning fossil]

That was like 15 minutes ago lol

[crimson jasper]

l always have been alchemist so l love seeing that

[cunning fossil]

I was surprised they release this today god forbid lol

Alchemist getting cool shit

How about engies??

I wanna do wild shit more ;-;

But serious, I think I will enjoy these Phil's more than the current flasks

Like the 2 examples of.Intellect Phil's are interesting

One really likes if you're standing still for a long time

The other encourages huddling up Ina. Group

[strange falcon]

these do definitely look 1:1 from FF14 (the 2nd paragraph not the effect itself)
though im sure other games have similar structtures for buffs

losing food and flask every wipe is the #1 money spender for raiders

[cunning fossil]

So both have their uses in specific dungeons.

And bosses

[crimson jasper]

so most likely not using that for Evoker if Soar is happening often xd

[cunning fossil]

Movement/Huddle heavy boss? Use Charged insolation

[crimson jasper]

still this is looking nice

[cunning fossil]

Gonna sit somewhere and just pummel enemies? Use Statuc empowerment

[crimson jasper]

oh yea there's 100% cases that are HUGE for using those

[cunning fossil]

Yeah I yhink it sounds great honestly both of these

Way mo r cool than just

"Intellect up by 100

[crimson jasper]

maybe also not fire mage since they move a lot to not accidentally q a spell in their combust

[strange falcon]

they should elaborate on how exactly "quality" is obtained, as crafter gear isnt a thing in wow,
and we all well know, that anything under maximum quality will be deemed "completely useless"

[cunning fossil]

U believe they did elaborate in the blog post

[upper pasture]

but aren't they adding crafting gear?

[cunning fossil]

Just read it Daf ao

[upper pasture]

well...crafter gear

[strange falcon]

"crafting gear in the same sense" fixed

[cunning fossil]

They are. Crafted gear will be on par with Raid level gear

[strange falcon]

you misunderstood WAI

i meant, gear that enhances your crafting ability

like the other game that has crafting

[cunning fossil]

Ahh I gegcha

[upper pasture]

but aren't they adding that? didn't they show off crafter gear in the first post?

[crimson jasper]

l think they mentioned adding that

yea

[cunning fossil]

They are adding it. And I think they have some info in the post

But no mock ups

Iirc

[strange falcon]

they didnt elaborate much on it other than saying it exists and showing 1 image

[crimson jasper]

and it's "seperate from your normal gear" they also said iirc

so l guess it's p much ff14 crafting without skill rotations in a way

[strange falcon]

from how they talked about it, its something you unlock once, and never think about again,
which then "what's the stakes in high quality craftss"

like if crafter gear is a very static one and done thing, then all crafts are 100% sure to be max quality all the time if you have the best gear

[crimson jasper]

l guess the more optional hq materials you add the better the quality gets maybe?

plus your own stats and skills

[cunning fossil]

That's why it's gonna be harder to obtain
I believe high level crafting gear has to be made by other high level crafters

Like.it feeds into itself

[crimson jasper]

since you will get a profession tree it might work through that

[strange falcon]

gear from what they showed isnt dynamic at all, you just unlock it and it appears

[cunning fossil]

Everyone will be at the bottom

Well yeah, but it will slowly progress higher and higher with each recruit IIRC so that you can get more Crafting stats out of it.

[crimson jasper]

l think we are safe with assuming "it's the ff14 stuff"

[cunning fossil]

Probably.

[strange falcon]

whats the nuance of the system that makes it different than the previous one "press one button, wait 1hr while you craft 100"

[crimson jasper]

they are good at copying and adjusting things from other games

[strange falcon]

they were good, then they forgot and stopped copying altogether, and now are starting again, because they realised they cant live off of copium alone

[cunning fossil]

Daf what do you mean exactly?

Just asking
Put it in dummy terms

So I can be absolutely sure lol

[strange falcon]

what is the exact difference between a max quality craft, and a low quality craft,
just the gear?

[crimson jasper]

they didn't forget but they always tried to reinvent the wheel each expansion with the borrowed power shit etc

[cunning fossil]

Low quality craft has less stats, numbers etc. But costs less to make and probably buy

Higher quality = Higher quality mats REQUIRED to make

And Higher skill, and just cost more

In general

[strange falcon]

so to make a high quality craft, you just need more mats
or higher quality
but the point goes back to "how does higher quality happen"

just "slap on gear, bam done"

[plain violet]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-s-dragonflight-preview-an-eye-on-professions-327596?webhook

[cunning fossil]

There is a flexibility in it that's nice

[cunning fossil]

No Higher quality AND more mats

[crimson jasper]

as we see ilvl, but l assume if taking flasks as example might get additional effects?

[ivory meadow]

already posted

[plain violet]

My bad!

[crimson jasper]

same as adding skills to armor maybe? like soft tierset, that the armor includes an enchantment maybe? tho I doubt that

[strange falcon]

so assuming you need (as an example) double the mats you need now, to make the highest quality flask,
that's going to drive the prices a lot higher for everything

[cunning fossil]

Higher quality happens via higher Inspiration stat, higher average quality of the reagents. Finishing reagent quality probably. And the craftwrs own akill

[strange falcon]

we dont have nearly enough info to say that

[cunning fossil]

Probably not because things like Ore and Herbs will have Quality tiers

Which scale.in the same way

[strange falcon]

there is no abilities/rotations, "the crafters own skill" isnt a thing,

so its "get mats, get gear" click button

[cunning fossil]

If you're better at gathering X, you're good at it

[strange falcon]

why would anyone not always go for the highest tier of quality

[cunning fossil]

The crafters own skill is a thing

I meant the SKILL they have in the progression

[cunning fossil]

Because people can't make.it yet

And it will later be upgraded via the crafting orders system

[strange falcon]

thats gonna be a day 1 problem before the professions are maxed again, so its not relevant

[strange falcon]

unless its timegated as fuck, people will be able to craft it within a week

[cunning fossil]

How do u know that

How do u know they will craft the highest quality gear?

[strange falcon]

we have extensive proof of how hard people can farm, people could make rank 4 legendaries in SL week one

[cunning fossil]

Also they literally can't

Because to make the highest quality gear

Mythic Raiders gotta Mythic Raid

Pvpers gotta Pvp

And Dungeoneers have to dungeon

And even STILL

[strange falcon]

so it is timegated as fuck?

[cunning fossil]

You need the a lot of best mats, the best inspiration score, and to be specialized in the specific item subset of which you are crafting for

Since Professions have talent trees

[strange falcon]

yeah i dont see how you cant get all of this week one

[strange falcon]

dont think they showed this outside of maybe a mention

[crimson jasper]

no it's not, if you count "clearing raid bosses" as time gating somethings wrong xd

[cunning fossil]

They mentioned it and basically confirmed it in the blogpost

Read. IT.

[strange falcon]

"clearing raid bosses" isnt really timegating, but they already tried this in BFA with sanguicells and the other reagents,
and literally nobody ever used crafting, because by the time you could craft it, you were already farming the raid for a month

[strange falcon]

having you explain it is more entertaining

[crimson jasper]

l think crafted gear stais more relevant that way, and isn't just overpriced day one and then dead

[cunning fossil]

So all of thisnis doable week one?

Getting the best skill, best mats, and sufficient inspiration ALL on your own is achievable?

[crimson jasper]

we'll have to see

[cunning fossil]

So you just want to see me explain it and try to dunk on me with "lol it's still bad cuz x"?

[strange falcon]

if people managed to get rank 4 legendaries week one, they can surely do this as well,
from how ludicrous the grind was for those

[cunning fossil]

It's more than just grinding though Daf

People can PREPARE to be able to craft these items but they won't be able to right out the gate

[dense plover]

well - i certainly didnt expect a profession preview

[strange falcon]

the only maybe non grindable thing is the inspiration score from the gear

[crimson jasper]

isn't that his sole reason being here lately ;p

no offense dafire, ofc

[strange falcon]

im the grounding agent that keeps you guys from overdosing on hopium and then being disappointed when your expectations were too high

[cunning fossil]

So you can dependably grind tier 5 reagents all on your lonesome?

[ivory meadow]

same.

[crimson jasper]

no, no you are just cynical

[strange falcon]

who said they're doing it alone, these people can buy out the entire AH for the mats if they wanted to

[crimson jasper]

l like being optimistic about a hobby l enjoy and not complain 24/7 is there's literally nothing to complain aside from pretending to know that "it's gonna be bad"

[cunning fossil]

But those mats may not be high quality

And.if so, that's good?

Isn't that the point??

[strange falcon]

unfortunately blizzard hasnt given people much reason to be optimistic in recent years

[crimson jasper]

Also, if it turns out to be shit, l'm just gonna play something else, l didnt sell my life to blizz

so l enjoy things l can, if there's nothing, l move on, easy as that

[strange falcon]

"i didnt sell my life to blizz"
that's good, im glad for you, many thousands unfortunately did, i pray for their souls everyday

[dense plover]

i wonder how theyll handle reagent quality regarding inventory space

[crimson jasper]

l dont get the 100% commitment and obsession to JUST THE ONE GAME

[cunning fossil]

Oh yeah that's true

OOH

[crimson jasper]

anyways

it's looking interesting and I wanna know more

[dense plover]

the first one here mentioned crafting speed

[cunning fossil]

What if we get dedicated reagent bags again?

[dense plover]

how does that even work?

[dense plover]

my bet is a 2nd reagent bank tab

because thats easy and at this point, neccesary

[cunning fossil]

It is basically a new stat, you just craft more at a time and much faster than normal

[strange falcon]

they unearthed 8sec long crafts from vanilla

[crimson jasper]

crafting speed

[dense plover]

crafting doesnt take a lot of time tho

[crimson jasper]

maybe the faster you can craft an item the higher its rarity

[cunning fossil]

When you're massmproducing Phil's and consumables, it adds up

Like I can spend a whole 10imutes just crafting lmao

And that ship's boring

It's nice for a minute or two then you tab away

Which kinda sucks

[dense plover]

this is interesting because it implies that the higher quality ingredient doesnt increase difficulty as much which means you could potentially spend money on the AH to have lower difficulty for your craft

[crimson jasper]

it would be more like ff again where you have X amount of durability and need the recipe to be finished before it runs out, maybe "speed" takes away quality

the lower it is the more quality it loses/the less it gains

[dense plover]

im also curious if they are going the FFXIV and crafting isnt just a button press

[crimson jasper]

difficulty also again reminds me of ff

[dense plover]

and thats where crafting time becomes significant

[cunning fossil]

I kinda hope so

[crimson jasper]

all this really suggests that tbh

skill trees were mentioned already so

l thought it'd be passives only but

[upper pasture]

Maybe we will see the return of special cloths and whatnot so they want to increase your craft speed so you don’t have to sit next to the area the whole time crafting X cloth for an hour

[cunning fossil]

That could be neat

They explain each stat here

[crimson jasper]

remember we get crafting stations

l think they like that idea to get people together in a Hotspot

[upper pasture]

Yep

[cunning fossil]

In addition to your primary Crafting Skill, there are several secondary crafting stats that can affect crafting of new Dragon Isles recipes, and which you can specialize and gear towards. These are as follows:

Inspiration - You have a x% chance to be inspired, crafting this recipe with extra skill.

Inspiration is for those of you who love rolling the dice and getting lucky on some bonus quality. It’s also a way to craft items at a higher quality than your natural skill and a specialization would allow when you get lucky.

Resourcefulness - You have a x% chance to use fewer tradable reagents such as ore.

If you are trying to squeeze every drop of profit out of your crafts, then this is the stat for you.

Multicraft - You have a x% chance to craft additional items. Only works on recipes for stackable items.

We have long loved the feeling of crafting extra items from various abilities like Potion Master in Burning Crusade. Multicraft cements this as a permanent crafting stat for those of you who love that moment of crafting a bit extra!

Crafting Speed - Crafting is x% faster.

For those of you who mass produce crafts for the Auction House, or just want to save a few seconds now and then, crafting speed is a stat to help you create those items a bit faster.

[dense plover]

i love that this change means that within a guild you can now have multiple people for the same profession but specialized in different stuff - no more "guild blacksmith" instead you might have a guild armorsmith, a guild weaponsmith, etc

[cunning fossil]

That sounds awesome

Just hope engineer's get something worth calling us on ;-,

[upper pasture]

Multi craft potion master here we come boys

[crimson jasper]

l always enjoyed potion/flask mastery

but yea hmmm, ff14 light crafting system?

[dense plover]

recrafting is the most important part of these changes - it means you can buy something for less money to upgrade it later. This will absolutely help keep prices reasonable

[subtle oar]

Return to Engineer Grenades you can put into your rotation

[crimson jasper]

so no skills but maybe stat breakpoints

[strange falcon]

"return to every raider needs to have grenades every raid because they're 5% of your overall damage"

[subtle oar]

Im ok with that

[dense plover]

"Since as an individual crafter, you cannot earn enough of these on your own to max your profession, you will often need to fill orders from others to maximize your profession skill." - this is how you keep the order system from dying

[cunning fossil]

Facts

[upper pasture]

I take that as a personal challenge

But also order system sounds dope

[cunning fossil]

I think being a Miner + a Herbalist will GREATLY decrease your cost

[upper pasture]

I like the idea behind crafting things for others to use

[dense plover]

weekly quest stuff sounds similar to how the zereth mortis tier piece forge works

[strange falcon]

this is indirectly saying most endgame mats will only be available through orders and not on the AH

[cunning fossil]

So if people are raisers, thise two gathering professions are the best bet

[cunning fossil]

That's a whole new sentence daf lmao

It's not btw

You can still just craft it straight up if you want

So it's either what until people can make better gear or later on, get it right at the start

[subtle oar]

I love that the Order system allows for them to add some seriously powerful pieces of gear to the crafting tables of professions because they cant be BoEs

[dense plover]

those are the soulbound materials - and you have to earn them yourself usually

at least according to the article

[crimson jasper]

time to open a potion shop

[cunning fossil]

TBH

[strange falcon]

so if those are soulbound mats, what's stopping someone from just buying the mats on AH instead of using the order-system

[dense plover]

BECAUSE THEYRE SOULBOUND

you literally cant

[ivory meadow]

??

[cunning fossil]

???

[upper pasture]

Lol

[ivory meadow]

I was about to say.

[strange falcon]

not all the mats are soulbound

[dense plover]

THESE ARE

THATS THE FUCKING SYSTEM

DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE

[cunning fossil]

You need all the mats to make a thing bro

Like

That's how it works

Lmak

[strange falcon]

damn i got peach angry

[dense plover]

no

you just said dumb

i didnt take you for lacking any brain cells my dude

usually you are better than this

come on

[strange falcon]

so you cannot get all the soulboun mats yourself, and that's why you need the order-system

[cunning fossil]

Unless you are a high level player

And high level players will need high level crafters to make their gear

[dense plover]

if i want a Mythic level chest piece, i need to earn some of it myself, because some of it is soulbound. As a crafter, i need my order to have some reagents BECAUSE those reagents are soulbound. Theoretically i could provide them myself, but then i cant make gear for myself because im spending those reagents on someone else

[cunning fossil]

(BRB gonna take a math test lol)

[dense plover]

in other news - i cant believe people are upset by the 5 item limit, its a good balance that doesnt prevent you from being "done" with your gear purely through crafting and leaves some of it up to running instanced content. Without the limit, eventually endgame content would die since no one would need to run it

[strange falcon]

so all crafted gear is going to be soulbound and only through the order-system instead of AH

🤔

[dense plover]

not all

just the high endgame, raid equivalent stuff

they listed specifically the type of stuff and how you get the reagents

[strange falcon]

so basically the only relevant crafted gear, because im sure they will have plenty of catchup gear in the world from worldquests and such

[dense plover]

again, you could contribute yourself and i dont think the gear itself is soulbound, so you can sell it

[dense plover]

they seem to be implying that a lot of gear is expected to come from orders

i wouldnt be surprised if gear WQs get switched out for reagents instead

less directly satisfying, but it would provide far more choice over what you actually get

we will have to wait and see

[strange falcon]

you could be able to fill out an entire set of gear if BoEs are separate slots from high lvl crafted gear

[dense plover]

i dont think they will be - at least not ilvl equivalent-ly

in fact i wouldnt be surprised if they remove or massively reduce raid BoE drops

maybe specifically limit which slots they can drop

either way they used the trademark

so maybe we will see gameplay within a few weeks

[strange falcon]

if i had a penny for anytime this was said regarding the next expac i'd have a whole mountain of pennies,
combine the vagueness, the lack of alpha, the 5month away release date,
and this situation isnt filling anyone with confidence

[crimson jasper]

or you just like complaining

l also checked some of the comments, people are

let's phrase it as "interesting" regarding their opinions

[upper pasture]

If I had a penny every time Dafire had something negative to say I think we could all retire

[crimson jasper]

p much xd

Also our comments will earn us 2 more pennies ;p

[upper pasture]

But at the end of the day. It’s a game. You’ll either like it or you won’t

[crimson jasper]

and as most wow players are, they won't, but they still gonna play and complain xD

[uncut lintel]

i scrolled down to see peach typing in caps, i was blown out of my chair O_O

[cunning fossil]

Wow players will legitimately complain about anything

Bet if they had 0 limit, they'd have complaints coming from the OTHER end of the spectrum

Which honestly would be way more fair than the ones they're bitching about now lol

[crimson jasper]

ofc they would

[cunning fossil]

Put of curiousity

[crimson jasper]

it's either "time gating" making people jump through "their hoops" or it's not and it's incentivises to "grind all day so the 0.1% of raiders can rush their endgame and invalidate the casual content"

etc pp

[cunning fossil]

Does anyone know how long the testing phases for things like Burning crusade or Wrath?

Because those will be closest to DF in terms of content I think?

Because DF seems to only have dragont riding, dungeons, raids and Talent trees

BC had about the same right?

[uncut lintel]

[crimson jasper]

l didnt play back then, started with wrath

[cunning fossil]

Hmmm maybe compare to Wrath then

For simplicity especially sake

They're about the same anyways

Especially since Northrend is smaller than the Dragon isles apprently

[crimson jasper]

l started with wrath release, didn't know much about wow let alone alpha beta stuff back then haha

but surely someone here knows

or well, Google might help

[cunning fossil]

Fair. Just in class lol

[crimson jasper]

oh yea ofc, my answer won't ever be "Google it"

just in this case that's the only thing that can yield the answer without more input heh

and I am at work so looking it up is scuffed

maybe peach knows x3

[strange falcon]

Wrath beta started july 17th, and game released november 13 according to wowpedia

[cunning fossil]

Oh

Wait a minute

Do they think they can do the same here??

They are going for a Wrath esque Beta cycle? Since they have about the equivalent amount of content

Well.my beta for Beta is Next week then

It makes sense but seeing this makes me feel a bit surprised this is either Ballsy or stupid from them

[strange falcon]

The alpha was already completed in wraths case, but wowpedia doesnt have a date other than mentioning alpha.

Here we dont even have a public alpha
So not 1:1 comparable

[cunning fossil]

Oh I getcha

What I mean is like

What if they just chose to have a single testing season

Since they don't really need 2. Because IIRC, alpha SL for them was when they did major number adjumesnts

And beta was for making sure the features all worked

If they have less features

And could very well jot be letting us see any story quests like they did for the Lorderom thing in 9.2.5..

All that's left is class design, dragonriding, raids and dungeons, and professions

Soooo

That's honestly not a ton to test

4-5 months of testing is probably adequate for this stuff (maybe hopefully. A little but of a hopium chugging here I admit but hear me put)

One is basically just physics
Dungeons, Raids and Classes are done at the same.time.
And professions will probably not be too hard to.test either

So yeah that actually doesn't sound.like hell on earth

HUNTER PET RECOGNITION LET'S.GO

Not as hype as Profesions but still

At least they know about the issues

[ember blaze]

have their tame pet not consume rares

[cunning fossil]

No I want the. Pretty rare

[pulsar minnow]

Blizzard is communicating??? That's hype enough itself

[subtle oar]

Sauce?!

[ember blaze]

that isnt what i said

instead of griefing everyone else, have the ability not consume and delete the rare

[pulsar minnow]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/fluffy-and-you-hunter-pets-on-dragonflight-and-beyond-327598#comments

[cunning fossil]

Fluffy and YOU

[strange falcon]

They knew about SL's issues from day one, to the point where in the preach interview for 9.1,
Ion straight up said to him "oh i know what the problem you're talking about is, your opinion is just wrong"

[strange falcon]

Literally everyone in here even myself at times, was on giga hopium during SL pre release that they would be able to balance covenant abilities,
And we know how that turned out.

Not to say that they've never been able to balance anything correctly in 17yrs

And thats with month long ptrs and even longer betas and alphas

[cunning fossil]

Good lord m8.

[strange falcon]

Why are you talking at 2am, i gotta sleep too

[cunning fossil]

Well how about we wait and see and hope it works

It's 8pm my time lol

Go to sleep them

Like sleep is probably better than you constantly going "well still shit cuz" for everyone involved

Get some sleep

Then tomorrow we can TRY to actually look at it all objectively

[subtle oar]

I'd be REALLY FUCKING HAPPY if they brought back having a Pet Talent tree like they did in Wrath

[deep pawn]

Oh, nice, they're not removing the aotc mount

No rush

[subtle oar]

@cunning fossilHow would you feel about having Pet Talents trees like back in Wrath? :>

[cunning fossil]

I mean, more customization is just a win in my book

Also it would sound really fun

[crimson jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/invader-zim-movie-enter-the-gif-14899370

[cunning fossil]

Lmai

[deep pawn]

I'm indifferent on full pet trees

Let us pick specialization is enough for me.

[pulsar minnow]

Imagine

Pet Hearts of Azeroth

You now gotta get pet gear and hope its good enough and has the right powers

then you have to grind Aspect Power to unlock all your pet armor abilities

Trying to make the worst thing imagineable here feel free to add

[cunning fossil]

Lmao

[rain cave]

I hope images like this are what inspire the primal incarnates and their fights

[pulsar minnow]

Do we know if the primal incarnates are going to be one fight together or separate fights?

[cunning fossil]

I believe they said separate fights?

That's what I felt from the announcement anyways

[rain cave]

Yeah probably some separate

But I wouldn't be surprised if their leader is an amalgam

[cunning fossil]

Would be awesom4

[opaque pewter]

The bi-weekly-or-so crafting reagent is probably there to up the baseline craftable gear

It's one way to put a bit of RP for late-comers joining in end-game

[cunning fossil]

RP?

Or like

[opaque pewter]

Hmm RP as in a bit of story/lore to explain the minimal bar raised

[cunning fossil]

Ni d

[uncut vault]

I think theyre at that point now, but even an xpac like WoD has had some stuff on the player models that hasnt aged very well at all, just due to the inconsistencies in the development of the new models

like, compare male gnome hair to male mechagnome hair, and it's insane how different the quality is

I think really the only things WoW really needs to secure long-lasting engine/artstyle longevity is some texture passes for the WoD models to match the quality of the BfA race

and if they want to go really all out, separate body textures into a full texture instead of a mirrored half like they did with faces in WoD, so that the game can start getting asymmetrical customization like scars and more diverse tattoos, or armor that doesnt solely rely on collection sets

[rain cave]

It depends if the textures are only made in the resolution we get

Or if there are 4k master textures somewhere

if there are higher fidelity assets that aren't 'game ready' as a normal game dev pipeline would usually have, I think it's less about doing passes on those things and more about making the GPU scale better with WoW

then releasing some of those higher fidelity textures as options

and yeah some WoD stuff is a bit out of date when directly compared to newer swanky stuff. However I'd say WoD was quite a chunk ahead of MoP

WoD to MoP was a bigger jump than say, BfA to shadowlands

in some regards at least

or legion to BfA, lets say

[rain cave]

I wonder what the naaru equivalent for the void is

and no I don't mean the void corrupted naaru

I just mean in terms of their hierarchy

what do the other cosmological forces have that would equal what a naaru is to the light

[uncut vault]

well, that also depends on how much of chronicle they keep canon for the naaru

because according to that, alongside Xalatath's whispers, the naaru aren't really inherently light, not all of them originated as light naaru

theyre more a biproduct of the light/void big bang

but on a cosmic scale, I guess the closest equivalent are the titan keepers or the old gods or the wild gods, the physical manifestations of their respective cosmic deities in reality

[rain cave]

well yeah I get that but I just mean in terms of where they stand in the hierarchy

like what's the naaru equivalent for order?

the keepers?

[ember blaze]

Are naaru just sentient rocks

[upper pasture]

couldn't the form we know is just the form they take in our reality?

[opaque pewter]

As much as we want it, I'm not sure that asymmetric body mesh UV will a thing this expac. I'd think these major changes would be planned around major versions
They could surprise me though lol

The minimum/recommended requirements have doubled since Shadowlands, so maybe it's still in the cards and not shown yet

[uncut lintel]

ALPHA

on bnet

for df

[strange falcon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/dragonflight-alpha-on-battle-net-launcher-327599?webhook try not to pass out from overexcitement too much @cunning fossil

[uncut lintel]

too late

im already dead

[ember blaze]

does this mean we can get datamined stuff? 🤔

or is that not how any of this works

[ivory meadow]

not yet

but considering this, we should be really close to datamining starting hopefully.

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/letgo-lets-goooo-pickles-lets-go-excited-gif-13808708

GIVE ME MORE TREES

[ivory meadow]

basically, the data for installation is uploaded but not able to download if i'm reading that correctly.

[strange falcon]

I thought WAI was gonna post this, but hey at least you dont lose all typing abilities when you're excited

[dense plover]

alpha on the launcher means probably next week

[crimson jasper]

aye thats great news^^

[cunning fossil]

Awww let's go!

Alpha live next week.

SOmeone has to give me money fopr predicting it

lol

[rain cave]

I love this image so much

idk how to describe the emotion is seems to give off

the kind of focused menacing smug stare

[strange falcon]

"When someone eats the last pizza slice"

[uncut lintel]

shes happy

shes smiling bcuz they dont have to rely on mortals anymore

[trail knot]

they made alex ugly

human form

[rich elm]

vibrating in my seat i cant wait!

[cunning fossil]

how? She looks exa ctly the same

[uncut lintel]

bruh

alex is hot

i really love her new armor

[rain cave]

except when they call us all to the dragon isles because they want help

[uncut lintel]

ok just delete all races except drathyr then

[rich elm]

gfdxgh

dracthyr the ultimate evolved form of all races

[rain cave]

inb4 closed alpha with the 3 classes we have talent trees for and it's just the 1st leveling zone

[rich elm]

KEKW

[rain cave]

2022 guys mark your calendars

fuck I sound like dafire

[rich elm]

its never too late to see the light Saint

[strange falcon]

Logic and facts converge to the same viewpoints

[strange falcon]

We have differing definitions of that

[trail knot]

male dracthyr*

[rich elm]

why only male?

[rain cave]

what did you mean by this

[rich elm]

what i said ;P

[rain cave]

what does it imply

[rich elm]

many and all things

[uncut lintel]

sorry bro im gay, ujst female for me

[rich elm]

(it was just a comment on you saying you were becoming Dafire)

[rain cave]

dafire is the light?

[dense plover]

apparently alpha is now on the CDN, they just need to send out the key to allow for downloads

[ivory meadow]

huh?

[dense plover]

so yeah, theyre likely prepping for next week

could be today, but i doubt it

[nocturne totem]

Get the HotS art team on it!

[crimson jasper]

true they got everyone from there now to do stuff

probably already had but hey maybe that's why DF is already far along

[ivory meadow]

https://t.co/0cr7BOFBoN

[upper pasture]

@cunning fossil rogue and Hunter trees dropped

[crimson jasper]

yooo

[dense plover]

2 more trees

dude - survival goes hard on harpoon and i love it

[crimson jasper]

l am slow checking at work reee

[ivory meadow]

good lord

[dense plover]

they seem to be lacking on active abilities though

[ivory meadow]

Outlaw got broken up so much.

[dense plover]

which is sorta meh

i guess its not different in terms of numbers

it just seems weird

hard to visualize your total number of abilities from reading stuff

[ivory meadow]

oh wow, Greenskin's is now a talent

[strange falcon]

@cunning fossil dont foam at the mouth, 2 new talent trees

[ivory meadow]

Restless Crew: Restless Blades also affects party members within 40 yds, reducing the remaining cooldown of a major offensive ability by 0.2 sec per combo point spent.

wot.

[dense plover]

oh dang, hunter gets exhilaration and wing clip baseline

i expected at least one of those as a class talent

oh neat - chakrams are on the class tree

[ember blaze]

Why is a dps getting that 🤔

[dense plover]

its the equivalent of call of the wild

except rogue

its a small buff

but its pretty neat

and its probably decent in a raid

probably not so good for dungeons due to the limited duration of encounters

[opaque pewter]

It seems good for dungeons too. You tend to pop CDs on trash in M+

[cunning fossil]

OAFWHJ:Oiagfhoa

HUNTER TALENTS BITCH

TALENT TREES TALENT TRESS

Ok time to look

[crimson jasper]

l guess you missed alpha most likely next week cause it's on launcher now? xd

[ivory meadow]

or if the hopium hits right, today

[cunning fossil]

YEsss we keep deayth chakramsss

sorry oof

[subtle oar]

Kill Cleave: While Beast Cleave is active, Kill Command now also strikes nearby enemies for 50% of damage dealt.

Dude I'm loving all the kill command talents

I really feel like I'll be able to make kill command feel good to press

[strange falcon]

This is what i was waiting for, the WAI stroke

[subtle oar]

I'm slightly melting down too tbh

The bm tree does look really good

[strange falcon]

I didnt expect you to be so easily bought, but then again,
My expectations were founded on nothing

[subtle oar]

??? I'm not gonna go out and pre order. Lol. I just said the bm tree looks really good. I need to see how everything is tuned tho.

I'm still skeptical about everything and blizz needs to earn my sub back

[ivory meadow]

oh fuck.

There's no way this gets through

[cunning fossil]

Let me be excited lolm.we get to keep CHAKRAMS

YEAAHH

[subtle oar]

A lot of bm leggos are now talents

[ember blaze]

working talent calculator waiting room 🛌

oh hunter is live

nvm

[proper palm]

We need paladin talents è_é

[ember blaze]

divine protection is gonna be on the class tree i assume 🤔

[proper palm]

Just want to see if kyrian power stay on the tree

Or the 4P power

[ember blaze]

that's guaranteed

at least for prot

[proper palm]

I hope, with unity this power is very good

[rain cave]

the hunter class tree is not too great

mainly for MM

because you cannot do a talent tree build that gives you no pet bonuses

you can get to the bottom of the tree without taking pet bonuses, but then you have 4 points left that have to be spent on a pet buff

pretty much anyway

oh wait

no you can sneak it in with tranq shot talent nvm

the MM tree itself is very.. interesting

not sure how I feel

since they're making you earn a lot more of your spec back further down the tree

I will say that it has made some other build options now, since you can choose to play as SL MM basically, but now there's other playstyles open that reimagine some of the tools

[subtle oar]

I look forward to seeing how well a build will be like for BM focusing on KC

[rich elm]

im waiting for mage talents, out of curiosity for them

[rain cave]

mage will be very interesting

[rich elm]

though i will be honest, all of these words sound like jargon to me cuz i dont play most any of these classes

like ill prob be very interested in BM Hunter later though but not for a while

really, i just want the dracthyr

[cunning fossil]

Hunter live ayy

Time to make my shitty builds!

He'll yeah

[subtle oar]

Cx

@cunning fossil There looks to be some neat Zoo builds for bm

[cunning fossil]

Oooh I'm gonna have to make some soon! Exciting

[ivory meadow]

another dev build pushed.

[rich elm]

[cunning fossil]

Iooh nice

[dense plover]

new build on wow dev about 20 min ago

either theyre gonna try for alpha today, or theyre testing to make sure its ready for next week

probably more likely to be next week

[ivory meadow]

yeah

[cunning fossil]

Oooh

[rain cave]

oh hell naw

@cunning fossil

what are you thoughts on this godless talent

lmaoo

holy shit assassination has some crazy talents tf

new stuff

[crimson jasper]

yea l really liked what I saw from sin

ofc l aint a pro on it and l bet ravenhold is losing its mind cause somethings bad but xd

[cunning fossil]

nani?

Sorry bro I've been chilling with my sister is all

gonna go ahead and DM some DnD and then nerd the fuck out lmao

I'll be right with u

[rain cave]

damn blizz going so hard with the subtlety class fantasy the talent tree is invisible

[crimson jasper]

xD

[cunning fossil]

lmao

https://www.wowhead.com/dragonflight-talent-calc/AACRNEJGVIkQLNQGAUBRAB9MZioiUFCDESAQBA

ok so I'm gonna be real with you

This is an attampt at making an MM hunter that is ok with having their pet out

while also being single target focused at least in the MM tree. lots of Dots happening here lol

[rain cave]

So basically mm is becoming old survival

@cunning fossil

Lmao

Which could be a good thing tbh

[strange falcon]

MM no pet players in shambles

[cunning fossil]

lol

Gonna make ranged Survival now

after making Single target survival

[deep pawn]

Double poisons sounds fun

[cunning fossil]

https://www.wowhead.com/dragonflight-talent-calc/AACRNFJkRIkQo8IEEQCRQACHLVMcBMQ8AHMUA
Survival Hunter Single target focus woots

[cunning fossil]

https://www.wowhead.com/dragonflight-talent-calc/AACRNBJkRIEToxYCEQCRAACHKZeBQwDwGE4A

And this one is Survival Hunter Ranged. LIterally never touching Raptor strike

Thistle tea is back for Rogues??

[rain cave]

yeah

[crimson jasper]

would it work tho

[cunning fossil]

I mean you do have Arcane Shot as a spender so I don't see why not. also chimeara shot 😛

So who knows

probably doesn't work very well. not even gonna pretend. But I'll be meming with it some times

[crimson jasper]

haha

the lack of rangeg weapon might be oof

or can sv actually equip bows/guns

[rain cave]

they can

it's how they use arcane shot

[crimson jasper]

it's a nice idea btw, friend of mine aways whines that sv is melee now

[crimson jasper]

thought they'd just use the pocket crossbow for that xd

[crimson jasper]

buddy sais they get - 50% dmg on ranged weapons, does that still apply?

[cunning fossil]

I wish they would just make a hand crossbow or an off hand hand bow for Survival

[crimson jasper]

true

but yea does the - 50% thing still apply?

[rain cave]

I don't recall them getting -50% damage debuff

since I remember somebody trying to do ranged survival in SL and they were only 20% behind

[crimson jasper]

l cant check atm cause at work

[rain cave]

I like the windrunner arrow procs on the MM tree though

since I imagine that's like the legion proc

from what I'm seeing those could do tons of damage

there's 2 big builds I am seeing atm for MM

the aimed shot focused big bursty boy

and the rapid fire/ aimed/ arcane buffing other abilities in a cycle

since there's also serpent sting and its buffing talent that means you can consume stacks with aimed shot for more nature dmg

there's potential for some form of high damage one shot build

in fact, it feels like MM could be a ranged arms warrior lmao

[crimson jasper]

sounds cool

[cunning fossil]

could be neat honestly

[crimson jasper]

mm is my favo of the specs, then sv and bm is ehhhhh xd

not like l'll play it in DF anyways but