beta-ptr-spoilers

[tepid fiber]

Oh my god look at Drakk's DANCE ANIMATION

[strange falcon]

and by "seeing" i mean people posting screenshots, i would never go to the forums willingly

[upper pasture]

oh gumball that's old news lol

[tepid fiber]

I don't care it's so cute

[upper pasture]

agreed'

[tepid fiber]

Just got a brand new baby in the house and I'm like pfffsh look at this baby dragon dancing instead

[upper pasture]

but that baby can't be muted like WoW can

[tepid fiber]

Ikr

[rain cave]

btw

bobby kotick is approx 5'5"

I thnk

just something I found funny if we want to go with the goblin meme

also throwback to when somebody was calling me evil because I played WoW and that means I'm giving money to bobby kotick and the evil company that is actiblizz

[upper pasture]

i bet they play CoD tho

[rain cave]

and I replied with, no, I just see it as creating the jobs that the people who were abused can live off of

because there are passionate good people working at the company

and the corruption is (hopefully) being stomped out

I said, I also thinkg kotick is a shit

[upper pasture]

@tepid fiber did you see his mount too?>

[rain cave]

specifically I said I think he's a nasty goblin of a man

and then they all flipped on me

and started saying

"woah you can't say that he's jewish"

like bruh

[upper pasture]

some people just want to take the opposite side for the sake of argument

[rain cave]

yeah

[terse patrol]

Well, dragonflight releasing this year definitely confirms they abandoned Shadowlands probably after 9.0

[fluid cape]

they worked on dragonflight before shadowlands, the fact that people think its unbelievable 😂

[strange falcon]

The problem with that logic is,
"If they worked on DF before SL, then why just not make SL better instead"

Though they are not strangers to decisions that defy reason

[rain cave]

because they always work 2 xpacs ahead

we know this

they have told us this

that being said

it appears they wanted to do DF over shadowlands

but had to do SL

because having 2 'azeroth' expansions back to back would seem strange I guess

[terse patrol]

I hate to say it, but I feel like it may end up confirming that the “good expansion, bad expansion, good expansion” pattern may be real. Or, nowadays, it’s “bad expansion, bad expansion, (hopefully) good expansion.”

[strange falcon]

When that is brought into question,its meant to be "actual model work on 1 expac, thinking on setting, theme and brainstorming 2nd expac"
Its a standard business practice

[strange falcon]

The pattern broke when we had "bad bad expac" and even then it was coincidental at best

[languid maple]

Not sure where to put this, but im moving it to spoilers even thought theres not much to go by.

Found this on amazon

[crimson jasper]

yea thats been there for a good while now, rather old news but hey good ya saw it now too^^

[rain cave]

we did have the teasing in BfA for DF

same way that legion was teased in MoP

kinda

[strange falcon]

thats still theme and brainstorming work

[rain cave]

ik

but if we want to draw similarities it's there

they've been working on DF probably longer than we think

even if it is still worrying about release dates

[crimson jasper]

if they think it's ready by then l am sure it will, plus this expac is kinda like "wow retail classic"
as in, it's basic systems reworks and not million systems on systems like bfa or SL, so development must be way more smooth anyways

least l'd assume it would be

let alone balancing of Legos, covenants, conduits etc pp must have been fkn hell

[rain cave]

yeah this

is my hope

there's no legion legendaries or covenants or azerite

no system like that to let us down

yes there's the talents revamp

but that's baseline

won't have any issues with aquisition, and they can't go live if it isn't ready

the only areas that could be questionable are how professions will work

like if things get too tight the way professions tie in might be too much or too little

[terse patrol]

Sadly dragonflights are well suited for covenants, so unfortunately we may see them back in some form.

[rain cave]

we already know the systems of this xpac

they won't spring a covenant system on us surpise lmao

@terse patrol

[upper pasture]

they already said they will be akin to covenants but you aren't tied to one

[rain cave]

also yeah

that

[upper pasture]

you just progress all of them

[rain cave]

btw what armour set is this?

is it a new dragonflight one?

[upper pasture]

could be

[crimson jasper]

the covenants are basically each zones rep to put it simple

[rain cave]

^

[coarse quail]

Why so expensive,so sad😔(the editions of dragonflight)

[crimson jasper]

but yea it seems to be a strong "base system" revamp and as said above not a million things thrown in that maje balance and programming a mess, hence why l called it "retail classic"

you get leveling, dungeons n raid, zone reps

that's kinda it

[crimson jasper]

what region you live in? for me it was the same as always far as I remember

[coarse quail]

In Asia of course.

But I am using the eu servers.

[crimson jasper]

maybe money conversion?

[coarse quail]

No,i mean that i don't see a reason the the editions will be so expensive.

[crimson jasper]

they always were that price, your first expac?

[coarse quail]

Like...why not have base edition for 1 month in 10 euroes??

[coarse quail]

No,lol

[crimson jasper]

you want a new expac for 10 bucks/for only sub?

[coarse quail]

Yeah,sure,why not???

[crimson jasper]

ehm

[coarse quail]

U think that people won't play it?

It will be the bestt!!
It will make more people to come and play😄

[upper pasture]

yeah sure

not really tho

[crimson jasper]

people that work on it kinda expect to be paid ya know xd

[coarse quail]

Of course.

[crimson jasper]

while yes mmos have monthly subs, a new expac does warrant more money being invested creating it which subs won't cover

[coarse quail]

But still,i don't see a reason to lower the prices.
Think about it, 10 Euros for 1 month!

[crimson jasper]

and I rather pay for a expac than have basically everything cosmetic in a store like gw2 or swtor

[coarse quail]

Okay

[crimson jasper]

one month sub is like 12 bucks

[coarse quail]

Really...?

[crimson jasper]

depending on sub model

[coarse quail]

That's odd...

[crimson jasper]

yea

[coarse quail]

I saw on World of warcraft website that the price is 14.99 Euros...

🤔

It must be different from zone to zone,right...?

[upper pasture]

if you buy month to month is $15 but if you sub for say 3 months its 13.99 a month or 6 month is 12.99 a month

[coarse quail]

Right right

Got confused,lol

[crimson jasper]

yea thats what I meant with sub model

l play the game anyways so I got 6 month sub

not everyone can do that ofc depending on finances l guess

[coarse quail]

Indeed.

[crimson jasper]

still having WoW go semi free to play (again like swtor for example) would be the last l want xD

imagine buying additional bagspace or that stuff

additional character slots

[rain cave]

I would be fine if it was like

gamepass

get it with gamepass ultimate

that would be fun

because then there's no FOMO with your sub

you can just go

"Ok, played my WoW for the day, time to play something else on game pass"

[upper pasture]

but we sorta already do lol but you mean with cash i know

[crimson jasper]

that could be fine, cause they'd still make more money with it as if it was f2p

[rain cave]

doesn't give you the mindset of ONLY playing WoW or wasting sub

wow on gamepass sounds like a healthy way of aleviating burnout for WoW players

[crimson jasper]

yea literally pay 5 bucks get another bag slot, available 5 times a chara

stuff like that

and you start ONLY with your starter bag pack

[upper pasture]

if WoW ever went down that road i'd prolly be out

[crimson jasper]

same

[rain cave]

WoW classic mobile

[upper pasture]

why are you so stuck on WoW mobile

[rain cave]

?

wdym

I just mentioned it as a joke rn

😂

[upper pasture]

did you bring it up when arclight was announced?

[crimson jasper]

10 bucks to roll on 1 five star legendary Doom hammer

[rain cave]

I've brought it up as a discussion before

[crimson jasper]

0.05% Chance you get it

[rain cave]

since I could see them making a mobile client for WoW classic

[upper pasture]

like how you were so disappointed with arclight and WoW mobile would have been better

[rain cave]

what

I wasn't disapointed with arclight

somebody else

[upper pasture]

oh mb then must have been someone else

[crimson jasper]

know how higher raid diff gives cooler looking tier gear

that would also be in the store

[rain cave]

sub to Warcraft+ to get the visual effects on your armour turned on

[crimson jasper]

xD

[rain cave]

player housing with subscription model

[upper pasture]

i wish they would stop give us different color schemes to show higher diff and let us dye our armour so we can make a more matching set

[rain cave]

think the tech behind that would be difficult

[upper pasture]

but i know that's never gonna happen so

ill just keep hoping for player housing lol

[rain cave]

though I'd like them to have a crack at making full sets as a single outfit so we can get something unique

like how greymane and others have coats

like full 3D pieces from torso down to legs

and around the neck

[subtle oar]

Is this prayium or hopium? Whatever it is I take it

[upper pasture]

its actually a mix, I can give you the deets

[subtle oar]

Lol

[deep pawn]

I'm 100% calling BS that it's releasing this year

[dense plover]

it COULD be very far along

or they could be releasing it TECHNICALLY this year

where prepatch comes out in Dec

and then we have a long prepatch

[deep pawn]

No, prepatch isn't considered launch date for their preorders, at least never have before

[dense plover]

with a release period and preorders, alpha and more info is likely soon

[deep pawn]

90 dollars... dang

I just don't know if I can trust them to test this appropriately. If they were further along we'd have all 13 classes and all 38 specs of trees to start giving feedback on by now

stuff like that takes MONTHS to finagle

[crimson jasper]

it even states dec 31 or earlier so I think they are pretty confident it's gonna be ready, and as stated above, the expac itself doesn't have all the clutter of systems to baksnce that bfa and SL had

it's basically vanilla

Also thoughts on this seemingly data mined chonker

6 month sub mount maybe as people assume?

[dense plover]

thats definitely real

looks like the new tuskarr saddle too

if it isnt real, its impressive

[strange falcon]

it said 31 or earlier for SL too, they delayed anyway

[dense plover]

ive gotta assume its some kind of 6 month combo or something?

[crimson jasper]

most likely, but the pet comes with the DF edition so

maybe you can choose pet or mount?

[dense plover]

yeah im a bit confused about that

apparently the mount is associated with a different key

so they removed it from whatever this image was going to be

maybe it will be a 6 month sub mount?

[crimson jasper]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Marlamin/status/1539305985860202496

Martin Benjamins (@Marlamin)

Interesting, the store texture for Murkastrasza also shows off another model -- assuming it is a mount. Model doesn't seem to be encrypted under the same key suggesting it was either moved out/separated or just no longer a thing.

Who let the Murloc near the steroid cache?

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Twitter · Jun 21, 2022, 5:55 PM

this was the post

just relaying it since it wasn't posted here^^

[dense plover]

yeah i picked that up from Marl's discord

they also think it is probably going to be moved to a 6 month sub

my guess is theyll use it sometime 1-2 months from now since the most expensive version of DF comes with 30 days gametime

[crimson jasper]

true that's very possible

that's a cool mount tho

Super chonky Murloc

[ionic terrace]

Mm, another 10.0 Dev encrypted build.

[uncut vault]

the image itself is probably outdated at this point

since murkastrasza is a part of the preorder

feels a bit like it might have been something planned for the virtual ticket for the blizzcon reveal, prior to it being canceled

given that's usually where the joke murloc pets come from

[pseudo verge]

guys why no nerf or buffs yet? do we have anything on ptr?

[dense plover]

PTR won’t have anything related to dragon flight until they’re prepping prepatch

Probably September or October

We are waiting on alpha

Which will be closed and on a separate server/client

[pseudo verge]

i mean a balancing for shadowlands

[dense plover]

They’ve been doing that? Do you not read the nerfs and hotfixes?

It’s not like they’re going to do anything major at this point in the expac

[glass flicker]

Read the nerds, indeed, my man! xD

[upper pasture]

or at least until season 4 we will see some class nerfs and buffs

[glass flicker]

I will always point out funny typos. Sorry.

[dense plover]

Stupid autocorrect. I’m trapped on my tablet because it’s over 100 degrees in my computer room due to weather

[glass flicker]

That's hot. Got AC?

Wait, you mean 100° Fahrenheit, right?

[dense plover]

XD no. It’s only this hot maybe 10 days a year. No one here has AC

Yes Fahrenheit. 100 Celsius is boiling

[glass flicker]

We use Celsius here so that's why I was a bit shaken up.

[dense plover]

100F. It’s hot af

It’s like high 80s outside but our insulation is built to keep things warm

[glass flicker]

Should get a fan or two, in cases like these, tbh.

[dense plover]

I have fans

It just isn’t enough

[glass flicker]

Fun's. xD

[dense plover]

https://tenor.com/view/key-and-peele-son-of-abitch-upset-gif-4276606

[pseudo verge]

there is still one season left

[glass flicker]

Might be a short season. I'm still uncertain on if we will be able to turn any raid and world boss gear into 9.2 tier gear, though.

Otherwise, there would be no point in doing those raids.

Now, how 'bout this hot take. Will we have another number squish after Shadowlands?

I think we will, since we had one in BfA, too.

[opaque pewter]

"After shadowlands" can be an expansion or more

[glass flicker]

Okay. Rephrasing. In Dragonflight.

[dense plover]

Not in dragon flight

[opaque pewter]

I'm not sure if SL season 4 gear power has a significant jump

[dense plover]

My guess is the one after the one after dragon flight. Since right now, only item level is actually getting a bit high

The actual stat increases haven’t gotten even close to the thousands

[glass flicker]

I hope season 4 raid gear caps at 300, tbh.

[dense plover]

And they really don’t need to squish since they fixed the engine limitation

[glass flicker]

I was even surprised rank 7 legendaries were 291 instead of 290 or another even number. Is that just me?

[opaque pewter]

It's calculated numbers after all

[deep pawn]

S4 will be the typical 26 ilvls added to every tier

[glass flicker]

So that'd be around ilvl 304 on mythics. Hmm.

[deep pawn]

yeah

we've already seen gear around 360-370 in DF screenshots

[dense plover]

Again - item level can go up all they want - it’s only like +20 stat for 50 ilvl or something

Maybe a bit more, but as long as they aren’t doing hundreds more per tier, they won’t need to squish for a while

[deep pawn]

it's still about 10% per 10 ilvls

[opaque pewter]

It will probably be at the same time the skill tree/system will need a look at again. Though I feel that it will be an earlier thing to tackle

[dense plover]

I expect them to keep adding to the skill tree moving forward

Because that’s the entire point of redoing them

[deep pawn]

MAYBE we get 10 more points in 11.0, but I bet that's it

the issues with bloat haven't magically gone away

they can't constantly add more

Hell they're barely adding anything "new" this time

[dense plover]

But also I don’t mind SOME form of borrowed power returning too

Artifact weapons were fun

I think adding like 2-3 new talents and 5-7 new points each expac would probably work pretty well

And I definitely think they can double down on passives or adding subspecs or something

I think adding talents that fully change how existing abilities work is a valid strategy for avoiding bloat

Since you wouldn’t have an additional button and instead would have changes to how you play

Or talents that go old school and let you use new weapon types or give you new sub-abilities, like new warlock summons

[opaque pewter]

They'll have to change things around to not make some combinations too easy to get over time if it's to be sustainable. You break the balance by just adding one point after all

Or maybe the next 10 points can only be spent in the last section. That's one way to mitigate it

[dense plover]

This is what I expect them to do

Different colored talents with different colored points

That way they can have some control and protect some semblance of balance

[opaque pewter]

Maybe they can remix a bit in the future by introducing "set bonus" talents. For example, right now the feral Druid community is thinking of ignoring all berserk talents since they're so spread apart. You could introduce an exponential bonus for getting all 3

[dense plover]

They’re what I like to call functionally separate talent trees

Since they require the previous stuff for prerequisites but are essentially separate

The concept of additional tree below the bottom I mean

[opaque pewter]

Yeah I saw it that way too

[sullen dawn]

This is what I want more than anything. 'Modifier' talents

Imagine a talent for survival hunters where you pick a damage buff either if you're within a certain range or outside a certain range

Or a fire mage talent that allows you to cast all spells while moving but you cant cast standing still lol

[dense plover]

That sounds awful

[sullen dawn]

Haha I'm just spit balling. But talents that change the flow would be cool

[dense plover]

But the idea of talents that fully modify the way you play or modify specific abilities are definitely how I expect them to do new talents moving forward

[sullen dawn]

I agree. You can design 'inwards' with existing class scope

Dont always have to design outward and bloat

[ember blaze]

so fire mage now? 🤔

[cunning fossil]

Lol

I mean. To be fair we need more wacky Janky Ass builds in the game

Would add more variety to every class and make more people.play

[rain cave]

this is why I'm looking forward to arcane, enhance, destro, fury and disc

I want to see what lurks in those talent trees

since they have potential for hilarity

I wonder if disc's artifact ability could return

[cunning fossil]

Truw

That would be sweet

I want to make Holy Damage buiod

Where the hell are these talents trees

Like it's been 2-3 weeks since the first set

And they basically HAVE to start Alpha ASAP

If they wanna hit that Dec 2022 deadline

So what the hell is going on?

[deep pawn]

I currently have 0 faith in a well tested expansion. They have never started alpha this close to release.

And we have our caveats that they don't want to make people "have" to level over Christmas either

So if we're looking at 11/29 or 12/6 for actual launch, we have 5 months

[cunning fossil]

That's really bad

[rain cave]

I remember seeing somebody saying there is a very closed alpha going on atm

which I think is backed up by the fact there's a dragonflight build up on their servers right

so there is testing going on in some capacity

[cunning fossil]

I guess but like

[rain cave]

but I think they should just let us see what they have

[cunning fossil]

They promised for all of us to see thr talent trees before alpha

[rain cave]

I wouldn't be surprised if content creators put together a movement literally telling them to delay it

like

making polls to show we want them to delay it

[cunning fossil]

I suppose that's a good idea but still

[deep pawn]

we needed that before the announcement

But this does explain why some content characters were sure it was this year

[rain cave]

if they release late november

it will have been 275ish days between 9.2 and dragonflight launch

which is close to others but still the shortest wait between final patch and expansion aside from TBC and Vanilla

TBC to Wrath was 233

WoD was 434, and that had the cut tier

but I'm wondering if unlike WoD, they didn't waste resources

and they pivoted much earlier on

because from what I'm seeing, WoD took 103+119 days to get to 6.2, and 6.2 was basically the one and only content patch of WoD

[deep pawn]

https://twitter.com/MrGMYT/status/1539614474784628736/photo/1

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

Projecting the Dragonflight Launch Date based on Previous Expansion Alpha/Betas Dates

Twitter · Jun 22, 2022, 2:21 PM

Here's some math MrGM did

So Alpha TODAY releasing right after Christmas would match their shortest alpha/betas

[rain cave]

that's why I think that "available" in their wording in the shop is probably prepatch

[deep pawn]

But that has never been how they do it before

Available means the content you're buying

[rain cave]

because prepatch hits, technically that means the expansions content is available

evokers, new talents, new scenario and events

the patch will be on 10.0 when prepatch is live

[deep pawn]

If that's how they're doing it this time, that's a bit scummy.

[rain cave]

so technically dragonflight will be live

I don't see it as scummy

[deep pawn]

It's just not how they've ever worded things before

[rain cave]

🤷‍♂️

it could be a good thing though

[tepid fiber]

Someone is gonna confuse it or rephrase it regardless of how they word it tbh

[rain cave]

gives them a prepatch to figure out how things are going instead of launching the game and then leaving it to starve for christmas

[strange falcon]

imagine telling to a shareholder "we're releasing in 5months and we dont even have alpha out yet"
i dont think they'd be pleased

[rain cave]

shareholders already aren't pleased

lol

[strange falcon]

that's the friends and family alpha, which happens every time, to my knowledge

[rain cave]

yeah ik

but I remember somebody saying it wasn't JUST friends and family or something

like in the normal way

that there might be some people who have gotten in under strict NDA's

[strange falcon]

delaying by a 3 weeks in the case of SL or even 1 month, wont be enough to fix whatever core issues there may be,
it could be enough to fix a few bugs at best

[ember blaze]

give me evoker tree

[rain cave]

they can delay it longer

give us a longer prepatch, don't think anyone would mind that

as long as things are on track rest of the way

[strange falcon]

also this, they had "available on or before dec 31st" for SL too, then they delayed it, the prepatch came much before the date

[strange falcon]

as if that's the only scummy thing blizzard ever did, just one more on the massive pile

[strange falcon]

not to reiterate, but blizzard is very good at "clever wording" to cite the latest example "you cant buy gear in DI"

[nocturne totem]

Idk, I won't believe Dragonflight being in an alright state until it is out and out for a small bit of time. Blizz does not deserve any hope at this point.

[vernal juniper]

9.2.5 and season 4 has no new things. so should be possible

[tepid fiber]

idk, I can't live like that personally

Too negative

Plus it's not like they haven't been cleaning house

Probably easier to get work done without people rubbing their shoulders

[strange falcon]

"havent been clearing house"

blizzard investigates into harassment at the company themselves rather than a 3rd party
magically finds nothing wrong with its state
shareholders approve this self-investigation with no measure of insurance it was conducted well
damn im sure they kicked 100% of the abusers and not just 2 or 3 figureheads

[crimson jasper]

oh boy

at this point you guys just wanna hate on everything dont you?

[tepid fiber]

Gamers are the worst thing about gaming

[crimson jasper]

p much

it's crazy

cant go into any chat without the freakin "abandon all hope, blizzard deserves to fail"

like

[tepid fiber]

I don't even read what dafire posts anymore because it's just shitflinging

[crimson jasper]

guys I just wanna play a nice game

smart idea tbh

[strange falcon]

if you block me then you dont even have to see my messages, what a nice deal huh

[crimson jasper]

idk, you seem normal usually

but in this particular topic I think a big chunk of the community just has lost their brain

[tepid fiber]

Definitely. Wasn't aware that judges and state investigative departments were ABK employees

[crimson jasper]

at the end of the day right, we might as well just quit the internet, all corporations are fkn shit

it just is that way

but

tbh after a hard day at work

I just want nothing to do with it

and just wanna play my game

[tepid fiber]

But it's easier to just copy/paste what some streamer or youtuber said to generate clicks

[crimson jasper]

IF things in the game itself turn out badly

yes then it's perfectly fine to complain

[tepid fiber]

Or just stop giving them your money/attention/effort

[crimson jasper]

but seemingly against everyone else

I do wish this game to be good

theres a lot of good people also working on this

[tepid fiber]

Exactly

[crimson jasper]

not just Bobby Assdick

he can burn in a fire for all I care

[tepid fiber]

Like what, should we shit on the people who put in the work?

[crimson jasper]

but it's ignorant to pretend that there isnt normal hardworking people that are passionate about making something good

[tepid fiber]

Constructive criticism is also good instead of just going full Karen about it

[crimson jasper]

oh absolutely

and I cant say blizz hasnt been listening to feedback recently

[tepid fiber]

Yelp culture murdered constructive criticism

[crimson jasper]

we can all agree that the SL stuff was far from good especially with ignoring what people told them

[ionic terrace]

they finally got rid of the 9.2.5 forums

just in time for...

[rain cave]

doom and gloom mindsets are just as bad as never do anything wrong mindsets

[crimson jasper]

but currently blizzard seems to atleast be trying, or I should phrase it as "the wow team is trying"

[rain cave]

it's almost like we need to take things in moderation

and point at what we like and don't like

[crimson jasper]

ofc

[rain cave]

instead of labelling the whole thing good or bad

[glass flicker]

It's a fact that without criticism, gaming would be in a far worse place than it is now. Being dicks and complaining got the devs to change things here and there. But that has slowly shifted into complaining and whining, with no proper criticism.

[rain cave]

personally, I've liked the direction they're going with dragonflight

effectively a pseudo rebrand

that being said

[crimson jasper]

same here

[rain cave]

I want more transparency

[crimson jasper]

from what we have seen it is coming along well

[rain cave]

and I want kotick out

as do we all

[crimson jasper]

oh yea same

well work time

have a good day guys

[strange falcon]

bad news for you, he got rehired by the board of directors for another year after a lot of employees were screaming to kick him out

[glass flicker]

I want another Dreadwake mount called "Bobby's Yacht" first.

[strange falcon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[glass flicker]

I will never stop memeing about a yacht store mount.

[rain cave]

when was this?

[strange falcon]

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/activision-blizzard-ceo-bobby-kotick-is-re-elected-to-the-board-for-another-year

[rain cave]

I remember seeing something about the shareholders challenging the board of directors on the internal investigation

but that's all I remember from recent

I mean

we all expected kotick for another year

I think

I for sure did

[tepid fiber]

This vote was non-binding, which means Activision Blizzard doesn't have to act on it. The board of directors had advised shareholders last month not to approve the proposed report.

[glass flicker]

These fucking bean counters.

[rain cave]

I think that one microsoft starts stepping in is where kotick will start stepping out

that's always been my assumption

so I kinda assumed he would be around until then

he's a sticky bugger for sure though

I'd be curious to see what a day in the life for kotick as Actiblizz CEO is

even if it is just

delegation

[glass flicker]

Well, he just gets on his yacht, waves at his haters and then spends all day on Twitter.

[rain cave]

is he active on twitter?

[glass flicker]

Probably. Alt account?

[rain cave]

lol

there's some comedy here I suppose

even if it's morbid

[glass flicker]

He tweeted that from his yacht.

[nocturne totem]

It isn't that crazy. BFA and Shadowlands have had issues. Some of those issues were stated by players before release and during and never fixed or fixed very late. Other Blizz properties are being dragged through poor decisions.

"live like that" is pretty extreme though. It isn't like I am thinking about Dragonflight every waking second of my day.

I enjoy my time playing WoW with my guildmates when we can all find the time to coordinate.

[rain cave]

kek

kotick's twitter is memeable

as to be expected

[glass flicker]

No yacht pics?

[deep pawn]

oh, wrath beta

where's muh alpha

[dense plover]

Probably a few more weeks so they don’t overlap in news

But I expect more talent trees now that wrath beta is out

[rain cave]

wrath classic beta isn't much news, maybe next week we get alpha

[deep pawn]

really figured we'd get at least one tree today

[signal bone]

alpha needs to be dropping this week or next to meet that 2022 goal

[deep pawn]

unless they have a brand new shortest beta ever

[signal bone]

with how barebones this expac looks, I guess they could get away with it

[crimson jasper]

beta doesn't need to be X amount of days for the game to be released

other games don't even do alphas or betas

but as wing said, this expac is rather simple and focused on core changes, not inventing a million new borrowed powers, so it should cost way less time

just remember how much time was wasted to make torghast "right"

[glass flicker]

And also how much time was wasted to balance conduits. And domination shards.

Time that could've been better spent on a fourth raid, just saying.

[crimson jasper]

and soul binds

and conduits and legendaries and covenant abilities

the list goes on with how much time wasting shit there was

[glass flicker]

Hey. No dissing of covenant abilities, unless it's about their balance.

Give me my Condemn as a talent, Blizz.

[crimson jasper]

balancing plus the issue of not swapping covenants

remember bone spikes for rouges

or condemn

l am glad to see some cov abilities back thb

[glass flicker]

Bone spike was kind of broken, ngl.

You just spammed it.

[crimson jasper]

so they can be balanced outside the cov system

yup it was

and then it was dead in the water

[glass flicker]

Same with Condemn. It would be used more as an opener than an execute to deal massive burst damage.

Then they buffed Execute and it was better.

[crimson jasper]

yup, ofc these were just some examples

but yea without all this

it's literally core systems

Evoker as new class and dragon flying

easier than wasting time on all the bull bfa or SL had

[glass flicker]

And if our track record is correct, every expansion that has a new class was a banger.

Wrath? Please. MoP? Easy 10/10. Legion? Are you joking?

[crimson jasper]

true, WotLK, mop and legion were 👌

[glass flicker]

So yeah, safe to assume DF will be good. But we'll have to wait and see.

[dense plover]

i think thats a side effect of new class design forcing them to re-evaluate the abilities of other classes and specs

[crimson jasper]

what people might end up saying is that "there's no content"

[dense plover]

tbh, world quests and endgame story is plenty

i dont want an endless grind again

[crimson jasper]

same

[dense plover]

even if it means i only play 20 min a day

[glass flicker]

I just hope the Empower mechanic doesn't creep its way into other classes.

[crimson jasper]

atm it's actually looking great

[dense plover]

i would rather enjoy it for 20 min then grind for an hour

we need to see what endgame looks like

[crimson jasper]

time to do achievements and enjoy the world

[dense plover]

because there are no covenants

so whats going to tell you where they want you to focus your resources for world quests

[crimson jasper]

not grind million systems that are mandatory for power

[glass flicker]

I was wondering, tbh...

[dense plover]

im okay with them going back to legion style

[crimson jasper]

endgame atm l'd say

[dense plover]

where certain factions have stuff

[crimson jasper]

dungeons for ilvl/bis and raid

that's it

rest is do what you want

[dense plover]

but i hope they keep some of shadowlands daily systems where they had you do events in certain areas and such

[crimson jasper]

farm rep, explore zones etc

[dense plover]

also i think they should add more weekly quests

[glass flicker]

Since they reworked the UI in the new expansion, I must have watched that overview a trillion times now. And never have I spotted the magnifying glass on the minimap. Do you think you'll be able to just right click the minimap and pin what you want to see on it, to make things simpler?

[dense plover]

like - do 5 different dungeons

look at how FFXIV does repeatable content - wondrous tails

[crimson jasper]

might be, depends how the UI ends up

[dense plover]

wow should do something sorta like that

[crimson jasper]

l am gonna try it out

yup that's true peach

[dense plover]

to be clear - im mostly refering to the weekly assignment of random content and the rewards for doing it after youve done enough - im not a huge fan of the connect 4 thing

and i think with how intense wow players are, they would feel like they have to grind out a perfect book

[glass flicker]

Well, I would say what Blizzard could also do is add different bosses to existing dungeons for story purposes.

[dense plover]

so i think it just providing a selection and telling you to do a certain amount of those things on any difficult or a specific type of content would be very good

[crimson jasper]

yup

[dense plover]

IE - run a M+5 or higher dungeon, run THIS SPECIFIC dungeon, run a wing of this raid on any difficulty, kill this specific world boss, do 5 world quests in this zone, earn 500 rep with this specific faction, etc

[crimson jasper]

Problem is the scaling in that

[dense plover]

and then once you do like 7 or the tasks or something you can turn it in for a piece of loot or for a thing in the vault, and a rep token and some gold

[crimson jasper]

cause you don't get scaled down like in ff for doing roulettes for example

[dense plover]

i think you would only use current content

[crimson jasper]

yea that would be nice

[dense plover]

im not suggesting they have players do old content - theyre already doing that with the new dungeon seasons

[glass flicker]

Or just use timewalking in an effective manner.

[dense plover]

remember, half of the first season of dragonflight dungeons are from MoP

[crimson jasper]

the new "reputation renown" does sound nice tho

to see what you can grind towards

not like it's different from farming rep but

[dense plover]

especially if it gives you some rewards for free as well as unlocking stuff to buy

[crimson jasper]

aye

[dense plover]

IE titles, character effects or backpacks, etc

cosmetics are king

[glass flicker]

Or tabards and glyphs.

[crimson jasper]

nu that's why l call this again

"vanilla 2.0"

[dense plover]

ideally it should be

[glass flicker]

Seriously, glyphs have the potential to be the best way to customize your character.

[dense plover]

fixing core systems will help with future expacs

[glass flicker]

Completely abandoned.

[dense plover]

honestly a lot of the system should just be moved to transmog

my guess is the system suffers from technical debt

and they likely need to fully gut it to make it usable

since it originally started as functional cosmetic talent thingies

[glass flicker]

Or, you know, just use existing systems.

[crimson jasper]

oh also for "endgame"
the reworked professions duh

[dense plover]

thats why i recommend shifting it to the transmog system

[dense plover]

yes and no - you cant force people to engage with that

[crimson jasper]

first time l'll engage in crafting for real if it's good

[glass flicker]

I like the current glyphs. Placing any effect on any ability.

Crackling Chi Lightning is a perfect example.

[crimson jasper]

ofc not as you see, l dont do it, but if it's fun

[glass flicker]

You can turn it into 4 colours as of now.

[dense plover]

and they need to continue to provide a way for pve combat players to get some form of gear without doing raids and such - obviously lower ilvl but sometimes you just want to do WQs or dailies

i think looking back at MoP dailies might be a good idea too

stuff like the farm or the archaeology stuff but with the new professions

[glass flicker]

They could just add new glyphs and effects for abilities, just for cosmetic purposes.

[crimson jasper]

l like the idea of getting materials out of raid

so crafted gear doesn't invalidate raids

[dense plover]

IE the profession trainer having turn ins that give rep or loot or something for crafting something they need

and then you can sell that item on the market

[crimson jasper]

cause you can only get the mats of your raid difficulty if you raid it

[dense plover]

its a good idea'

especially since theyre going to have crafted trinket effect stuff

[crimson jasper]

yup

so it won't end up like the usual instant crafting war

cause you can't just send 1k bots to get your materials

but yea while "light on content" l think it's what wow needs, newer expacs were technically even too much

hence people feeling like it's not respecting their time from what you get out of it

but yea, a vanilla 2.0 sounds great imo and I hope they pull it off

Also patches not needing to include fixes for existing broken systems (example azerite and neck etc) helps with adding things that otherwise might have been skipped

[dense plover]

i do kind of like having a bar that goes up

but im hoping rep overhaul will fix that

[crimson jasper]

should of its maybe a renown bar

[opaque pewter]

Progress is progress though. They can disguise the bar but in end it can just be a bar lol

[dense plover]

profession leveling stuff might help too since they have armor

they might also have like "levels" or xp or something

since its CLEARLY inspired by FF14

[glass flicker]

Honestly, they could turn the garrison/order hall/covenant resource, aka AP into the infinitely progressing bar, that levels up like rep and allows further advancements with each level to you, but only by making them cosmetic. No Maw of Souls - like farming.

[opaque pewter]

Renown was basically that. It shoudl be back in some form

[glass flicker]

Renown wasn't basically that.

[opaque pewter]

I mean it being the activity meter that climbs up

[glass flicker]

It included much player power, by unlocking conduits and some stamina bonuses.

[opaque pewter]

Not the reward associated with it

[dense plover]

tbh, the stamina bonuses are probably still going to show up somewhere - theyre pretty neccesary to stop new tiers from having a shitload more stamina that previous ones

[opaque pewter]

Yeah

[glass flicker]

I mean...

[dense plover]

though i imagine theyll tie it to story progression or something instead

[opaque pewter]

Something to artifically nerf the content organically

[dense plover]

^ without having to buff gear stats massively for the next tier

[glass flicker]

Azerite armour had more stamina and primary stat because it didn't have secondary stats. So they could do something similar by giving more stamina on gear with no secondary stats.

[dense plover]

no chance

secondaries are so core to the game

people hated the shift of secondaries off of main gear

[opaque pewter]

The goal we're trying to create is something that makes progress easier week-by-week

In the past it was an aura debuff that gets stronger over time. But that never felt good

And more recently, it's in the form of stamina increase at minimum as peach pointed out

[dense plover]

it doesnt even have to be weekly

but i bet it ends up tied to story progress since endgame story will likely be weekly

[tepid fiber]

Some stops also make it so that more casual players can keep up with grinders, by capping how much grind they can do

[opaque pewter]

It ideally should be time-capped so you can't grind it to the end. Basically something for the masses to ease up a bit

[dense plover]

thats also why they did the jump to 40 and 80 renown at certain patch points

[crimson jasper]

locking it with story l thought was fine

so you just had to catch up quests and not X amount of Ressource you were behind

imagine if zereth mortis story had been reputation bound

[opaque pewter]

It's the same thing really. Just one makes you more free in how to tackle it

[tepid fiber]

No matter what change is made or system gets introduced, there's gonna be someone unhappy about it. The best we can hope for is a compromise that keeps everyone on the same page while still allowing those with more time investment to get something out of it

[opaque pewter]

Pretty much. No solution will make everyone happy

[crimson jasper]

yea let people grind definitely

but not for more power

and l dont mean dungeons obviously, run more dungeons get more gear etc

but that should be p clear

[opaque pewter]

Ideally the end-game loop should consist of:

1. A grind that takes time/effort/dedication that rewards adequately in cosmetic
2. A system that nerfs the current content over time tied to your activity, but that has a cap that raises over time

There are a few ways to accomplish that

[tepid fiber]

That seems to be the direction things have been going towards

[opaque pewter]

These things were always included in some form for a while yeah

[crimson jasper]

so far it really looks promising, l just hope people will complain and ask for all the chores back that we had in SL

Also shorter alpha/beta might also mean that they keep more stuff hidden for the story, no testing story chapters and quests etc

that'd be cool to not already have cinematics etc in unfinished fashion data mined and with no context

[uncut vault]

I think a lot of folks forget just how much legion managed to have a solid endgame just with the base systems

BfA and Shadowlands lost out on a lot of the endgame story especially in their desire to over-innovate and add new systems and mechanics

If Dragonflight tries to do story stuff like Landfall or Suramar instead of covenants, I'll be a happy camper

[uncut vault]

theyve explicitly confirmed it will not, at least in Dragonflight

which IMO is a shame, it shouldnt be every class, but something like say, MM hunter could really benefit from it

both mechanically and aesthetically

[tepid fiber]

Ooo, imagine if aimed shot could be instant cast or held down to charge for more dakka

I'd be down for that

[cunning fossil]

I am down for that too

I am totally not biased when I say this

ALso IMO you could do this with FIre MAge

making Pyroblast way more intriguing

[dense plover]

legion just had the infinite AP grind

which tbh - isnt bad

small power gains that you can grind out thats backed up by a 2 week delayed auto increase works great

[glass flicker]

I'm kind of biased against the Empower mechanic from the start. My PC isn't great, so if I lag a little, I may miss my DPS window and that sucks.

Adding that sort of possibility to more classes would just put me off from performing my best.

[uncut vault]

hopefully they'll add an option for hold down vs toggle

not just for ping reasons but accessibility too

[glass flicker]

Just gotta hope lag won't be a big issue, if Empower really makes its way into the game in a big way. I don't even want to imagine the release day, when everyone and their mother will have server lag.

[opaque pewter]

It's holding by default and toggle as option

I do think it adds a nice depth over the system we have in place. Could work for melee attack too, Zelda style

[tall parrot]

Guys is beta up?

[signal bone]

no, come back in a month

[cunning fossil]

Bi

[urban spire]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/is-dragonflight-too-early-world-of-warcraft-expansion-timeline-comparison-327478 in response to this

ion already said its a 2 week prepatch too

so its not the traditional 4 weeks

[rain cave]

sheesh

[urban spire]

also whast do you guys think?

I think its not early

I think it'll bne fine

no big every spec spanning system ot balance and design

[hexed hare]

no way this comes out this year 😂

its just a marketing tool to get people excited enough to spend their money on something they dont know anything about other than theres dragons and cool new talent trees

[upper pasture]

i mean to each their own but they literally had no reason to give us a a date they don't think they can hit

if anything that just begs for backlash when they have to push it back

[hexed hare]

im super hopeful when it comes to WoW being great again , i just think a solid reboot with a new engine would be better than keep on releasing expansions

[ember blaze]

I believe. They ditched shadowlands so that gave them some extra time.

[dense plover]

They either have to release this year or offer full refunds No questions asked if they miss the date

There is no way this is just to pad Q4 earnings - they clearly believe they can release it in time

Which is possible considering how they fully dumped a third patch

And how long 9.2.5 ptr took

It could be much more complete than we think

[subtle oar]

They have to earn that hopium, tbh.

[urban spire]

True, but again I dont think there is as much to test and figure out with this expansion that affects every player

just talents, and that's basically just reorganizing how the game currently plays into a talent system again

so just using old systems and repackaging them and building a bit of a foundation for the future

[strange falcon]

"Hopium" is all i got to say, really.
We've had the discussion multiple times before.

If you told any shareholder "the game is releasing in 5 months and we dont even have alpha lol" they'd spit in your face, especially with the well known blizzard track record of being incapable to balance anything.

We really dont have any shred of evidence of good or bad, we basically dont know anything about the expansion besides the super barebones reveal months ago

[strange falcon]

While it is speculation, it is still quite plausible because the times line up,
Preorders to boost Q3 sales and release to boost Q4 sales, because they got immortal in china for Q1 sales and diablo 4 for Q2/3 or overwatch 2

[dense plover]

diablo iv is q1 or q2

it cant release later than mid-june

[rain cave]

wait diablo 4 is coming out this year?

[strange falcon]

2023

[trail knot]

2023 this year

[glass flicker]

Have any of you ever noticed some of the clouds in Icecrown look like the runes on Frostmourne and also the Jailer?

[rain cave]

https://tenor.com/view/oakdice-runescape-gif-18004007

[glass flicker]

He can't keep a straight face, I love it. xD

[ember blaze]

careful, he will eat you.

[urban spire]

alex jones is funny as fuck if you dont take him at all seriously

I love him so much just for the comedic gold

[dense plover]

hes just extremely stupid

extreme stupidity is funny out of context

[rain cave]

he also is semi- self aware and hams it up at times

like I doubt alex jones is really like that 100%

[tropic trail]

m,ª
mw buffs the class already does insane healing when they freecast lol, class can’t oom and you cant kill through their freecasting, interesting.
+

[ember blaze]

pvp balance 🛌

[cunning fossil]

He believes in IRL PvP

[dense plover]

tell that to the court proceedings for the sandy hook parents - he is as bad in real life, it just isnt funny

[ember blaze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekNP_7UwlHc

[strange falcon]

the funniest song of him is "gay frogs" to this day

[sturdy shard]

So is frost better than fire now?

[strange falcon]

then we shouldnt trasmog them so they release it later

[glass flicker]

Yes.

[mossy meteor]

https://twitter.com/keyboardturn/status/1541565952994619394

Simaia - might post spoilers-ish 💙 (@keyboardturn)

neat, wowvendor3 branch went from 9.2.5 to 10.0

...beta soon? 👀

Twitter · Jun 27, 2022, 11:35 PM

[cunning fossil]

BETA??

[crimson jasper]

l guess people just forget that alpha is first, probably what that person was meant to say^^

[deep pawn]

We're already looking at shortest alpha and beta ever

[crimson jasper]

neat, the less testing the playerbase has to do the better

maybe they will manage to do it all on their own in the future like other games do

[rich elm]

but we may not even get an alpha tbh

it will be first, but only for Blizz devs

we'll very likely only get beta

[deep pawn]

nah, Blizzard doesn't do it that way

Beta is "feature complete"

so unless we're starting testing with ALL ZONES, all dungeons, all quests, it's not a beta

[strange falcon]

A company with blizzards decadelong track record of broken AF alphas/betas/ptrs doesnt magically get so good at QA that they can do it all in-house overnight

[ember blaze]

still no trees 😶

[strange falcon]

still no alpha omegalul

[cunning fossil]

The fact there are no trees and we have a 2022 release date is

NOT good

Unless they plan on releasing them all at once for everyone??

But like, a drought of about 4 weeks since the last couple of classes is really shite

[crimson jasper]

the drought sucks, but I wager they release all with alpha

so I instead of sprinkles we get the full cake

[cunning fossil]

Yeah I suppose so but like

[crimson jasper]

l'm starved on info too, l neeeeed more stuff

[rain cave]

or even if things aren't ready

give us a post telling us why

I want more transparency

[cunning fossil]

^^^

I thought they promised us that

[crimson jasper]

l am sure we'll get it, probably just want the base ready

and not be a hot mess to have feedback like "this is a hot mess"

l will stay patient, and pass time with other things, still awaiting and checking for news a lot tho heh

[rain cave]

I'm hopeful the base will be there

I just hope it IS because they are just getting things ready for a steady rollout

instead of things just being opaque for other reasons

[strange falcon]

not the first time they promise something and then not deliver, not the 5th time either... you get the idea

[ember blaze]

"though according to VentureBeat, Proletariat has been working with the Warcraft team since May of this year and some of their work will be featured in Dragonflight"

I see why theyre confident in this year release

Might be a good future for WoW 🤔

[rain cave]

yeah

whilst I was never interested in the BR, I liked their art and feel/fantasy for their magic combat

and the design of it

could be cool

[strange falcon]

idk man, given what they did to ToysforBob(the crash bandicoot remaster devs) where they took their developers, put them to work exclusively on call of duty(like their other side studios like raven software and treyarch, because imagine activision releasing anything thats not solely call of duty) then took their studio head and eradicated her from her position to put her as co-president of blizzard, and then realized it was a purely token position and left the company.

i dont really have high expectations, especially when https://old.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/vmss3p/spellbreak_servers_to_shut_down_in_2023/
"shut down your shitty indie game, you work on what WE say now"

not to say that "too many cooks in the kitchen" problem is a very real possibility, and some would say it has been a reality already for the wow team for a few years
so more people doesnt necessarily mean faster/better product, especially from what we know of how immensely difficult it is to communicate between the different teams already

[rain cave]

didn't they cut the number of people on the dev team after MoP though

[strange falcon]

to my knowledge, they basically entirely gutted the class balance team, and the QA team

but not much else

and they continued gutting QA in bfa and SL

[glass flicker]

So... reckon Mr. Kotick will get another mega yacht by the end of the year?

[strange falcon]

definitely, he has to squeeze 3 more yachts in before microsoft takes over in summer next year,
and even then, him getting kicked out turning from a "most likely scenario" to a very murky "maybe not"

[glass flicker]

Hah. Murky.

[strange falcon]

which would be hilarious irony to see him remain at the company ontop of getting golden parachute after golden parachute
after all he has been blamed of, the petitions from actiblizz employees and a lot more

to cite a certain balding streamer "its bobby's world, we're just livin in it"

[glass flicker]

"Yeah, let him stay. He's been the president for long enough that we can overlook it."

[glass flicker]

Oh no. Bobby will fill the world with yachts!

So that we will survive the Moon crashing into the Earth's atmosphere and becoming Saturn-like rings.

[strange falcon]

even if bobby gets kicked out, it will just prove the fact that once you're high enough on the corporate ladder, you're untouchable, even in some cases, by the law itself, nothing a few millions cant solve!

[glass flicker]

Bobby is trying to save us, y'all!

[ember blaze]

the law only applies to us poor folk

[upper pasture]

I mean, that’s pretty true. A certain person tried to overthrow the government and yet he is not going to face any consequences for it. Money buys a lot of things unless they want to make an example out of you

[rain cave]

who?

[upper pasture]

Not that I agree that money should do that

[rain cave]

i must have missed something

[upper pasture]

If you don’t know who it is, you either side with him or live in a cave.

[rain cave]

that's pretty abosolutist

[upper pasture]

But that’s neither here nor there. The point is when you become so rich you pretty much become untouchable unless you need to take the fall for the general public to be calmed down

[rain cave]

try me

because while we've had two major terrorist uprising events in the US, neither were kickstarted directly by anyone rich

since it was social unrest terrorism

[strange falcon]

lehrdaniel describing how nothing(societally wise) has changed since the middle ages and kings being overthrown by the populace
just that instead of kings you have insanely rich people, which kings also were.
though kings at least commissioned a lot of buildings and other stuff to be made, while ultrarich people now just hoard it all

[ember blaze]

see maxwell's list

[cunning fossil]

Shiiiiit don't make me start

I will get angry

[ember blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-roar-avengers-infinity-war-angry-gif-11873427

[cunning fossil]

Yeah I'm angry now

I'm beyond pissed but I know I can't say it here. Nope

[cunning fossil]

Yeah I'm tilted now. Sorry bro (you know who you are) but I can't mess with that shit without calling someone a few things that would get me Hella banned.

[sullen dawn]

Pretty sure money definitely went into coordination of those clown shows

You dont get braindeads like that coordinating without a few professionals

[cunning fossil]

I mean just listen to the hearings and it'll make sense

[strange falcon]

WAI really being provoked here like he was a dungeon boss

[cunning fossil]

BUT ANYWAYS BEFORE I BEGIN TO YELL

Where that alpha

;-;

[strange falcon]

inb4 no alpha at all, and they just ship it without

[cunning fossil]

Ksk

[rain cave]

well tbh you're right here I reckon they all get some kind of backing

[upper pasture]

honestly if they alpha for NDA folks/internal and give gen pop beta that wouldn't be THE worse.....right?

[cunning fossil]

Well that's pretty fair I suppose

But who would being the NDA crowd?

And even if they were, wouldn't they fell people that the Alpha is out?

[rain cave]

I imagine content creators would get an NDA alpha

because if they leak anything they'd know pretty much

[upper pasture]

select community members and the player council?

[strange falcon]

look,i dont believe in conspiracy theories buuut, it would be the funniest shit if they took personally some comments like "ah other games dont need no public alphas/betas" or "alphas spoil everything before it even releases" and decide to not do a public alpha/beta

[cunning fossil]

I suppose that's fair but that still sounds like a small

SMALL pool

[rain cave]

I feel as soon as they started rolling things out to random players in any sense it would instantly be leaked

[strange falcon]

that wouldnt reflect well on the product

[rain cave]

I remember anthem had a technically NDA alpha test or something

that was randomly rolled out

[upper pasture]

games generally dont need public alphas but definitely need betas

[rain cave]

my friend just streamed it to us on discord

and everyone knew

[strange falcon]

anthem was super rushed and also had a revolving door of directors + development hell + a studio that never did open worlds + EA + different engine
it was a big storm

only thing good about the game was the flying mechanics tbf

[upper pasture]

but we are running out of time for a beta so its getting hairy

[rain cave]

I'm sad anthem failed

cool premise

[upper pasture]

anthem was just if iron man was in mass effect

[upper pasture]

twitch prime rewards 👀

they are back 😄

[strange falcon]

they removed it from the ingame shop after they saw that, even with a big discount it wasnt selling, and now they're giving it for free with twitch prime
the irony

[upper pasture]

i mean they were from what almost a decade ago?

[strange falcon]

they were removed in bfa if i remember right from the ingame cash shop

[upper pasture]

oh was it that recent?

[rain cave]

What's back?

@upper pasture

Not at my pc

[upper pasture]

the first helm transmogs from cata

[rain cave]

Oh nice

Wanted that

[uncut lintel]

dragonflight when

[upper pasture]

Before 1/1/2023

[uncut lintel]

PLAEAASE

[trail knot]

they busy remaking long neck dracthyr models

[rain cave]

stretch the model out to fit brutasaur skeleton

[trail knot]

male model leaked

[uncut lintel]

nice joke

[rain cave]

the fucking finger

lmao

[rich elm]

idk i actually like the dracthyr model

for once its not a gross giant fridge body

could actually mog it semi decently with WoWs tendency to makes transmogs thick and bulky

[subtle oar]

Can't. Blizzard confirmed armor will not show on your Dragon form

[rich elm]

some armor will, just not all

they showed us some armor pieces

[rain cave]

they confirmed which slots though

I think it's tabard, wrists and shoulders

and I like the dracthyr model but I also understand that people want more

[rich elm]

yea its tabard and wrists and shoulders

[rain cave]

if they're going to add more classes to them down the line bulker options would be goood

as well as just in general

since atm they're more like raptors

than big bulky dragon lizards

[rich elm]

i dont mind more options, just dont change the original model to fit one half of the others who just want big and bulky, cuz others dont want to play roided up buff dudes either lol

[tepid fiber]

Fair, but also keep in mind that dracthyr were engineered and made by Deathwing to be soldiers

[rich elm]

yea i know

he also made them a caster class lol

[dense plover]

Caster soldiers

Tbf

They were meant to be like frontline - fast and strong but not slow and heavy

[plain violet]

Yeah, being an heavy weight isn't advantageous if you're a perfect mobile army.

Heavy guard, slow and methodical.
Frontline caster could just fly trough the enemies, blast them, and hop.

[dense plover]

Being big would be a disadvantage

[tepid fiber]

If you think big things can't be agile, I've got a southern continent that birthed the monk tradition to introduce you to

But I get it

But it is a mistake people make irl that big dudes with big muscles can't be fast

[rain cave]

Sprinters are usually muscly af

[ionic terrace]

ptr realms are currently down

[rain cave]

ETA? (Estimated Time of Alpha)

xd

[rich elm]

i can smell the desperation lol

it would be very cool if content creators can at least get in

[upper pasture]

Who’s to say they aren’t already in and not aloud to talk about it?

[nocturne totem]

Don't give anyone special treatment

[dense plover]

No evidence of a 10.0 build. It’s probably some last minute season 4 tuning or mythic affix tuning they want to do

They’re not gonna drop PTR before dropping the rest of the WIP talent trees

[rich elm]

im not? I just want to see whats in the expansion, so hoping content creators get in isnt wrong is it?

[dense plover]

Following up - it’s possible PTR is going down and staying down until after alpha really gets going - they’ve done that before

[ivory meadow]

When did it go down?

[ivory meadow]

also there was a dev build that was pushed to wowdev at 12 am today

[dense plover]

Wowdev is alpha not ptr

[cunning fossil]

I-Is alpha out yet?

Please we only have like 6 months to keep this from bombing

pleaase someone tell me they have a PLAN

a lay out, a road map

ANYTHING

[ivory meadow]

I don't know if PTR is still down; if it is, then it might be as peach said and we could be getting alpha soon since they've done that before where they put PTR down until Alpha releases.

[plain violet]

I would not argue that big can't be agile or fast, that's even the subject of some text in game about bear form. 😁
But the models proposed were really too much and not in the idea. (Moreso, people IRL also misunderstood that bodybuilders aren't muscled the same way than martial artists, or sprinters..)

[subtle oar]

They have a plan...

To fix it after launch

[strange falcon]

Thats almost all tripleA titles these days, because it just works

[ivory meadow]

is PTR back up?

[languid yoke]

no

[ivory meadow]

Oh..

[rain cave]

😳

[ember blaze]

trees soon, then? 👀

[twilit lantern]

no way they push 10.0 on ptr, it's still encrypted

[subtle oar]

Ptr for dragonflight won't be a thing. You won't see a ptr for DF until 10.1

[ivory meadow]

yeah

it's just that usually when PTR is down for this long during this time between expansions, it's usually because Alpha is about to be unencrypted/datamined... or it's something else entirely.

[languid yoke]

PTR is gonna have 10.0 prepatch stuff eventually but not before beta

[ivory meadow]

that's not what I meant.

[cunning fossil]

Give me some talent treeeeeeees

Like let me see some fun stuff

I don't care if it sounds bad, give me something cool

To be honest I should try to make a resto Build now

Damage oriented Redto build with as much passive healing as possible even during Heart of the Wild maybe

[tepid fiber]

The desperation of hungry gamers 😂

Like, I get it

[ionic terrace]

9.2.7.44444

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/927-ptr-development-notes/1272088

[uncut lintel]

nice

[cobalt spoke]

oh

I got real excited

[rain cave]

lol

[ancient jasper]

So instead of banning things like selling services they're embracing it

[strange falcon]

like wow tokens for RMT, blizz wanted a cut of the pie

[uncut lintel]

damn rite, ill buy wow tokens for sevices which gives them money 😏

gotta get my dragonflight aotc in 2 years

[ember blaze]

No reason to.

Nothing wrong with selling a service

[uncut lintel]

it makes more than one party happy, thats fine to me,

boosters? happy
buyers? happy
wow tokens being bought? blizzard: happy

ppl always complain so

[ember blaze]

wow tokens is also free sub for me 😎

[cunning fossil]

At least people won't have to deal with Trade achat spam any more

[uncut lintel]

[cunning fossil]

Hallelujah

[uncut lintel]

yea like if someone advetises there now, they can enforce bans

to that person

[ember blaze]

a new chat for that is all i ever dreamed of

[ancient jasper]

You honestly think they'll limit themselves to only this new channel? Hahaha

[uncut lintel]

no but if they abuse it and advertise where there not suppose to, then they can get punished

the spam is annoying even to me and i still support sevices

[ancient jasper]

It's.. amusing.. that people are fine with what is literally Pay-2-Win being allowed to exist in WoW

[dense plover]

There’s our PTR info

[strange falcon]

i think wow token would be abused a lot less, if it only allowed you to get wow gametime, rather than blizz wallet money

[dense plover]

I’m glad they’re separating this stuff out. DF is going to require tradechat for gear stuff so it needs to be open

[strange falcon]

"its not called paytowin tho" omegalul

and ye, RMT has risen exponentially especially from top guilds, for the most part, because of the asinine restrictions on loot, and the barriers that blizzard puts between raiders and loot

[strange falcon]

i was gonna say this too

[dense plover]

It’s easier to enforce because they can put a filter on the other channels now

[ember blaze]

is that commodities gonna include mounts? 🤔

[tepid fiber]

There's a difference between embracing and funneling. It's also the players' responsibility to report people who are breaking rules instead of having a "someone else will do it/it isn't my job" quitter rat mentality

[uncut lintel]

why are people against people being able to buy services

[strange falcon]

blizzard and "enforcement" dont go well together,
and im almost certain they'll just have a bot handle the bans not real people,
so it is open for abuse

[subtle oar]

Thats a very good change

[subtle oar]

It doesnt

[subtle oar]

That wouldn't be fair to those who use gold farming to buy Xpansions

[uncut lintel]

every 15 bucks they lose, they make 100 more in the same amount of time

[strange falcon]

the article where some guy use 600million wow gold to whale in diablo immortal was funny, i'll give him that

[uncut lintel]

LOL

600 MIL GOLD?

JESUS

[ember blaze]

eat the rich

[uncut lintel]

i want drathyr

whens that

IM DESPERATE

[steep sphinx]

have they mentioned anything about legendaries for next patch? if we have to recraft or upgrade or stays the same ilvl ?

[strange falcon]

no you arent, go back to complaining mounts dont drop

[uncut lintel]

true

[languid yoke]

there's a spot near the new sus stables in Orgrimmar where you can stay mounted on live but can't mount in on PTR, like as if there was an important NPC

[uncut lintel]

👀

[ember blaze]

dragon trainer 🤔

[uncut lintel]

🤔

maybe

[languid yoke]

can't find a similar spot in SW though sadly

[deep pawn]

haha, 9.2.7

it's been a long damn time since we had an x.x.7

and one month warning for season end is more generous than normal

[languid yoke]

wasn't there an 8.3.7

[deep pawn]

there was but it didn't change anything it looks like

this adding a new channel and region wide commodities..

[ancient jasper]

Ah, yes, being able to PAY for the gold you use to then buy your gear/carries isn't Pay-2-Win. Not at all.

[dense plover]

By limiting it to one channel you can at least have a bot handle all posts in other channels automatically which means everyone who wants it gone can just mute the new channel - bots can be good too

[deep pawn]

I'm fine muting the carry channel

though I imagine those types are gonna be salty cause it means less eyes that might suddenly go "maybe this time"

[tepid fiber]

They can pay for their carries but that's not going to make them good at the game

All the gear in the world can't stop death mechanics

[ancient jasper]

Limiting the term Pay-2-Win to only things that make you good at a game means.. pretty much nothing is Pay-2-Win because nothing is going to make you "good" at a game. Make you overpowered enough to just blitz everything? Sure. Make you know what the hell you are doing? Nope.

[subtle oar]

WoW is not P2W. This is such a dumb argument.

[uncut lintel]

having skill is much more to be proud of than a cosmetic

which ppl who buy boost usually dont have is good skll, like me

😏

cuz i suck

[ancient jasper]

So what, exactly, do you call spending IRL money for your gear/clears?

[uncut lintel]

buying from the shop

ykno like those cute urloac packs

or dragonflight epic edition

clears my wallet

[ivory meadow]

in fact didn't blizz ban real money transactions for advertisements?

[ancient jasper]

None of which gives your character a power boost, Furscale.

[uncut lintel]

sure it does

[ancient jasper]

Cosmetics do not boost your characters power. Full stop.